Let's be real, lads - how would a maritime invasion of Iran by the US go down?

Kevin Peterson
Kevin Peterson

Let's be real, lads - how would a maritime invasion of Iran by the US go down?

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Liam Anderson
Liam Anderson

Cuckime

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Andrew Baker
Andrew Baker

Its a painting you aspie.

Hudson Watson
Hudson Watson

.... but why? if israel or saudi arabia want iran to be invaded that badly, let them do it themselves. maybe even a joint affair! wahhabism and zionism working together, hand in hand. it'd be downright disney

Michael Thomas
Michael Thomas

Marines would achieve a level of insufferability never before seen.

Camden Cox
Camden Cox

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Mason Turner
Mason Turner

implying anti-zionist haredim and wahhabists aren't basically the same thing

Brody Gomez
Brody Gomez

are you sure you know what the word 'implying' means?

Bentley Ross
Bentley Ross

Implying you aren't a summerfag

Parker Ortiz
Parker Ortiz

Pretty bad to be honest. Iran fields a large army and is a far cry from what it was in the Iran - Iraq war. Not to mention the paramilitary revolutionary guard who will be more likely to fight to end. They have a decent airforce and navy and their officer corps are actually decently trained. Iran is nothing like Iraq in terms of terrain. In contrast to rolling deserts of Iraq, we will have to deal with rugged mountain ranges, sandy deserts, and sprawling forests. Iran's population is also very large and if a war were to occur, stability operations would be fucking impossible. We are talking about pacifying a populace of 83 million people. Not to mention that Iran might even have nuclear weapons. Finally Iran is a nation with immense strategic value and everyone will want a piece of it. You have oil, trading ports in the Caspian Sea, and much more.China and Russia will not sit back. This will be a fucking slogfest and will cost hundreds of thousands of American lives. Warhawk faggots like Bolton should be sent to front lines and see what war is actually like instead of sacrificing America's youth. I pray to god that war won't happen when I commission after I graduate. The consequences of this war will far outweigh the benefits.

Jason Gonzalez
Jason Gonzalez

X has an unusually big army that's a far cry from the prior war's army
X is well trained and/or battle hardened
X has [special terrain here] perfect for defending against hi-tech American equipment/soft American troops
X has [big value here] that will sucker in aid from allies and terrorists

You've plagiarized a thousand articles about Iraq vs the US - right before the gulf war. Every war in the last century, amateur defense critics recycle this copypasta about the US, and usually it's wrong.

Robert Parker
Robert Parker

it would take at least two or three carriers sinking before the US makes a dent.

Camden Rodriguez
Camden Rodriguez

boom boom boom pop pop pop ouch, fuck, allah, NIGGERS
Probably something along those lines

Jackson Ward
Jackson Ward

the US cannot fight peer militaries anymore, it is COIN focused now, and that cant be changed this late in the game.
if the US goes up against iran, it will lose outright.

Jaxon Hughes
Jaxon Hughes

sure, the US would win. but it's not worth the effort. the task is enough of a pain in the ass that it'd only be worth undertaking if Iran posed an existential threat to the US itself. which it doesn't

Jeremiah Scott
Jeremiah Scott

fucking lmao

Oliver Rodriguez
Oliver Rodriguez

I doubt an actual invasion would be needed, things would just be Tomahawked and bombed to shit. Should there actually be an invasion then Iran's actual military would probably fold like Iraq's in 1991. I don't know enough about the social climate to predict if there would be an extensive insurgency, is the Iranian government's ramblings the same sentiments of the Iranian people? I'm sure a lot of them would strong dislike anything they felt was pushed by Israel, which were the fears in 1991 when the IDF wanted to move against Iraq after the Scud launches and Arab members of the coalition threatened to end cooperation.

Owen Ramirez
Owen Ramirez

There's not going to be any war. Iran already pussied out

Stop with the hysterics you'll attract the muslim shills

Alexander Bell
Alexander Bell

Good thing nobody is talking about invading Iran

Find me 1 quote by an Israeli or Saudi official talking about invading Iran

Carson Lee
Carson Lee

IRGC which is Iran's best got btfo by goat farmers in Syria, Russia had to save them

Justin Ross
Justin Ross

Don't worry, John Bolton will find a way to make it happen

Brody King
Brody King

1.) There will be no war

2.) Iran is shilled heavily on this board. It's a shithole that couldn't even beat the pathetic Iraqi army. They also got bitchslapped in Syria

3.) There are no good Muslims

thank you

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Liam Thomas
Liam Thomas

this. it would just be syria all over again, some strikes followed by hot air and propaganda then nothing.

god the middle east is fucking boring.

Lucas Price
Lucas Price

there aren't any (of course) because both parties are hoping we'll do it for them

nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/israel-saudi-arabia-trump-aides-want-confrontation-iran-will-trump-n1005581

it's all "wish a nigga would" "j/k! ...unless you're gonna do it" shit. which naturally our stable genius in chief will have the good sense to ignore

Cooper Nelson
Cooper Nelson

The last time they had a truly major war there was Iran-Iraq, it became like WW1 with Cold War weapons and neither side accomplished anything besides stacking bodies.

Landon King
Landon King

ORANGE MAN BAD!
shareblue cuck detected

Jason King
Jason King

yeah, and that was well over 30 years ago.
everything since the gulf war has been a giant nothing burger.

Nathan Flores
Nathan Flores

Saudi Arabia doesn't need to
The royal family planned and funded the 9/11 attacks with Osama Bin Laden
The Bin Laden royal family was visiting the Bush family during the attacks, possibly making sure things went "as planned"
US military was used to attack Syria, Afghanistan, Iran, Jordan, and Iraq (countries with nothing to do with 9/11, but with large oil reserves and access to the Persian Gulf)

If Saudi Arabia wants something done then they'll use lobbyists to buy off congressmen
Or scheme with the CIA to create fake terrorist attacks
They don't need to send troops of their own

Nathaniel Evans
Nathaniel Evans

A complete fucking disaster that would either touch off a Third World War or a Second American Civil War.

If the last 20 years has taught us anything. It's that taking a divided nation to war is a bad idea.

Alexander Jenkins
Alexander Jenkins

it wasnt our fault we dindu nuffin!
americans act like niggers.

Kevin Sanchez
Kevin Sanchez

implying trump isn't a stable genius

implying trump doesn't have the good sense to ignore bolton

Bentley Bennett
Bentley Bennett

You mean last 30 years which would include the Gulf wars.

In reality we haven't achieved any sort of military success since WWII.

Korea and Vietnam were similar to whats going on now...American deaths and debt for no fucking reason

Leo Wilson
Leo Wilson

actually it seems like bolton has cleaned up his act lately. either that or his current administration is just so retarded that it makes bolton look good by comparison.

Luke Jones
Luke Jones

What are you even saying? You sound like the niggers you're speaking against

Parker Johnson
Parker Johnson

youve lost every war youve ever fought in, what do you expect?

Jordan Adams
Jordan Adams

You're right. America lost the Spanish-American war. America lost WW1. America lost WW2. You're either an idiot or have no understanding of US geopolitical history

Kayden Rodriguez
Kayden Rodriguez

This mainly says Trump wants a war and the Israelis/saudis arent opposed to it

Angel Peterson
Angel Peterson

we do have a penchant for getting ourselves directly involved in the proxy actions of other nations, don't we?

I'd like to think we learned our lesson by now. guess we'll see about that

Cooper Kelly
Cooper Kelly

The reason I don't count the first Gulf War is because we achieved our objectives (liberate Kuwait). The issue was that we failed to actually end the war with either the total defeat of Iraq or signing a peace agreement that saw it politically rehabilitated and welcomed back into the community of nations. Basically overnight turning Iraq into an impoverished backwater that saw Sunni-Shia relations deteriorate to an all-time low.

Matthew Green
Matthew Green

that wasnt your win, since you either didnt do it yourself or werent a major combatant.

Joseph Kelly
Joseph Kelly

There is no way that marines will land on the Iranian coast unless there is absolutely no resistance. The Iranians have no comparable air force to counter US bombings. If the US tries a hasty maritime invasion the Iranians will have a good chance at sinking some American ships, but the US would have to complete a fast invasion in order to continue oil shipments.

Chase Anderson
Chase Anderson

Basically overnight turning Iraq into an impoverished backwater that saw Sunni-Shia relations deteriorate to an all-time low.
that was the goal.

Eli Nelson
Eli Nelson

I am with you up till
...........China and Russia will not sit back.
MY MAN

china and russia
won't lift a finger
because it has
nothing to do with
them.
And this is the USA's
last WAR. The USA
is about to go full on
non interventionist just because of energy. Peter Zeihan even says it.

Russia and China want this nut cracked and both couldn't do it on their own or either jointly.
What the USA has done...was opened up those nations over there for a new period of
greater resource share. This is ALL long haul outlook.

we are speaking 50- 100 years benefits from the actions done today

Jace King
Jace King

I'm assuming that the US carriers would be out of strike range of drones, missiles, and suicide boats. Even one carrier lost will be absolutely devastating

Grayson Stewart
Grayson Stewart

Iran hasn't fought against modern militaries either. Not to mention the US faired far better against Iraq both times than did the Iranians

Nathaniel Jackson
Nathaniel Jackson

So long as Saudi Arabia supports the invasion it's going to be easy. Air power from SA pounds the ever loving hell out of any Iranian units. The navy picks any number or even many numbers of ports and takes them without issue.
From the secured beachheads the army pushed in taking roads and passes. Any strong points Iran makes are destroyed by air power, anything less gets mopped up by the army.

Taking Iran with less than 500 dead might be a new world record.

Aiden Cook
Aiden Cook

what the fuck are you smoking?

Landon Edwards
Landon Edwards

What an absolutely stupid argument. By that logic there have been very few winners in any war ever.

Aiden Turner
Aiden Turner

it would be inevitable. if the carrier even enters the gulf the Iranians can sink it immediately and the US would go into full meltdown.

Andrew Brooks
Andrew Brooks

How about the civil and revolutionary war?

Wyatt Martinez
Wyatt Martinez

Do you understand the value of Iran. It supplies Chinese oil

Jace Robinson
Jace Robinson

Advanced Yeah Posting

Dominic Roberts
Dominic Roberts

You mean the first and second US civil wars?

Brandon Cox
Brandon Cox

revolutionary war
french win, not american. Americans got reamed until french showed up.
civil war
american loss by default.

Jace Watson
Jace Watson

Even one carrier lost will be absolutely devastating

Would it really? Come on. The US has 10 or 12 nuclear carriers and another 10 or 12 conventional/escort/amphib carriers.

Kayden Green
Kayden Green

revolutionary war was a civil war
deluded bong

Hudson Hall
Hudson Hall

That's understandable. However, Kuwait was used as a one-stop shop for oil by the US, Saudi's and UAE. They may have been "liberated" but the purpose wasn't humanitarian.

Zachary Thompson
Zachary Thompson

and none of them have the range to avoid Iranian missiles.
the USN even wargamed themselves and lost entire carrier groups

Ryder Brooks
Ryder Brooks

Except it meant that Iraq would remain a thorn in America's side.

Owen Garcia
Owen Garcia

Exactly. Losing a carrier would be unacceptable since the American public only supports a winning military. I cannot imagine a carrier getting closer than 300 miles of Iran waters

Daniel Bell
Daniel Bell

Real shit
The US destabilized the region for political purposes, and will continue to do so

Connor Jenkins
Connor Jenkins

if the US were to go fully evil, the best the world could hope for - barring complete incompetence on the part of US leadership - would be to halt US projection of force, do what it could to support regime change within the US, and hope the US isn't as Samson optiony as certain other nations are. invasion of the US is impossible, unless the world is willing to sacrifice the ability to enjoy the benefits of satellite tech and doom the planet to not doing fuck all in space except try to clean up the debris field for the next several centuries

Noah Diaz
Noah Diaz

For France or the UK, losing a carrier is a big deal.

The US can simply send in the next wave, probably with a morale bonus when they start taking it seriously.

Liam Robinson
Liam Robinson

invasion of the US is impossible,
you are 22 trillion dollars in debt and your military is in shambles. your people are weakened and weary of conflict and cant fight, and your resources are being bought up.

you can and are being invaded by every major power.

Jordan Evans
Jordan Evans

and it will die too. one after another falls victim to Iranian PT boats as described in your own wargame.

Connor Cruz
Connor Cruz

Each carrier is at least $5b dollars and has at least 2-3,000 crew. US carriers are a symbol of US naval dominance and losing just one will turn the war very unpopular. Not to mention the Iranians are viewed as greatly inferior so it would be unacceptable to lose a carrier to a weak navy.

Kayden White
Kayden White

exactly. gulf war 1 was a resounding victory in all regards, including geopolitically.

Landon Sullivan
Landon Sullivan

the US populous cant take casualties, if a carrier were to sink the entire US navy would break and the population would be at civil war.

Blake Rivera
Blake Rivera

It's not a war against Russia or China. There should not be any lost carriers. The last time a carrier was sunk was in 1945

Robert Sanders
Robert Sanders

dude. It is not the number of carrier. It's the prestige. If we lose a carrier like that, a lot of others will think of us as pushover

Jordan Garcia
Jordan Garcia

not to say that the US could conquer the world if it wanted to. just that it could end civilization as we know it if it didn't get its way in regional affairs. see: Russia vs. Ukraine

Gabriel Ramirez
Gabriel Ramirez

country's military and economy is in shambles for decades
regime is hated by the west
economic recovery near impossible
the US had iraq right where it wanted it up until gulf war 2.

Connor Jackson
Connor Jackson

No

John Rivera
John Rivera

unironic reference to van riper

that's a bingo

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Austin Foster
Austin Foster

everyone already knows your a pushover. no one is afraid of the US anymore.

William Scott
William Scott

They may have been "liberated" but the purpose wasn't humanitarian.

Obviously there's an ulterior motive behind everything but the Gulf War nonetheless was widely regarded as a legitimate and just war by the American public and the world at large.

We did not have that going into Iraq the second time.

Tyler Moore
Tyler Moore

That's true. But the war (there is no war as congress never declared it) in the middle east has been unpopular for at least a decade. The US government shows no signs of slowing down now. Obama and Trump both promised to withdraw large numbers of troops, but it hasn't happened. The troops who do get withdrawn get replace by private military contractors.

Ryder Taylor
Ryder Taylor

I wouldn't go that far. The US populous would just be outraged and not trust the military to make anymore decisions. Only way the US can lose is if the public turns against the military

Owen Jenkins
Owen Jenkins

the US can't take casualties, take out their symbols to cripple and deter them

Perfect plan, what could possibly go wrong?

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Christian Myers
Christian Myers

thats why a carrier sinking would cause the US to go into civil war. racial makeup of the USN would cause riots and unrest among groups like the alt-right vs BLM. ethonosates would form and the US government would not be able to penetrate either racial group due to being secular.

Austin Richardson
Austin Richardson

prove it

Parker Martin
Parker Martin

We didn't need to invade any countries at all
The exception being Saudi Arabia for planning/funding/carrying out the 9/11 attacks

Chase Walker
Chase Walker

inroads that can be wiped away within a week of nationalization. a trick even your most seemingly relatively disadvantaged African or South American country can (and have) pull off

William Moore
William Moore

that could never happen anymore. the US public is too weary of war. just look at vietnam.

Levi Hughes
Levi Hughes

The US doesn't have the resources or the excuse to invade a country like Iran yet...

Jeremiah Perez
Jeremiah Perez

russia getting nothing but gainz in syria and venusuala
Canada and western Europe becoming firm Chinese allies
US getting pushed out of afghanistan by russian backed houthis

Parker Collins
Parker Collins

I doubt that soldiers getting killed will cause any kind of civil way
Too many Americans are apathetic
Those who aren't will not be willing to lose their family over something so trivial

Michael Scott
Michael Scott

t. nip politicians circa 1938.

Joshua Davis
Joshua Davis

muh Pearl Harbor

The reason Pearl Harbor had the opposite intended effect was because the United States was neutral and the Japanese had used peace talks to stalk American action in the run-up to that attack. To the American people, it was an act of treachery that had to be punished.

Its effects would've been very different if Roosevelt had opened the war with an attack on Japan and Pearl Harbor was struck in retaliation.

Dylan King
Dylan King

nope. america is firmly separated among racial lines. even the slightest thing can cause the US to go into full race war at this point, especially with the election.

Kevin Butler
Kevin Butler

Would Iran sinking a US carrier count as an excuse?

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Connor Hill
Connor Hill

Depending on how the war starts the US will be how capable the US will be of taking casualties. Unless it is a massive attack by Iran the public will have limited support. Also no carriers were sunk at Pearl Harbor

Caleb Russell
Caleb Russell

The American lapdogs of Israel will be too scared of Qahere-313 fighters and Karrar MBTs!

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Asher Cooper
Asher Cooper

the US populous cant take casualties
33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" average.
Iraq was literally just a simulation for South Chicago gang life for the US military. 1.6 million deaths from diabetes. You bring up 2K deaths and say it will break America with a straight face?

Our cops and neighbors cause more death in accidental discharges than a wiping a carrier battle group would. All you would do would be provide a malicious enemy for the body public instead of "the price of freedom" for this blood. Good luck Chang.

Jason Thompson
Jason Thompson

remember the Maine!

Grayson Murphy
Grayson Murphy

wth is that?

Daniel Bennett
Daniel Bennett

yet nothing actually comes of these deaths. you prove my point. america cant take mass casualties like they used to.

Liam Reyes
Liam Reyes

yes
it worked for the Vietnam war
Gulf of Tonkin incident

Jackson Cooper
Jackson Cooper

Brother, you're deluded here. Though a carrier sinking would be a major blow to morale, I'm doubtful that it would cause ethnostates to boil up out of the blue. BLM are no Black Panthers, they're a toothless and essentially pacifistic protest movement, essentially decentralized. The alt-right - meaning here white ethnonationalists specifically, I assume - are incredibly poorly organized and near constantly wracked by infighting.

I don't think civil war in the US is out of the question in the distant future, say three or four decades down the line, but an invasion of Iran is incredibly unlikely to be a direct catalyst, and it's doubtful that the vogue political movements you describe would be the major players. Much more likely to originate in mass disenfranchisement caused by outsourcing of some labour jobs and automation of others.

Mason Butler
Mason Butler

this will be the thing that breaks the US racial lines and turns the US into ethnostate factions.
count on it.

Asher Miller
Asher Miller

Battleships were sunk. The overrated but prestigious ships of their era. What similarity could they have?

Jonathan Gutierrez
Jonathan Gutierrez

Putin just wants to reboot the Soviet Union, shit he pulls outside of Russia doesn't really matter too much. Britain and France are fucking around in the South China Sea while Canadians are being executed by China. US has limited presence in Afghanistan and can't do much about it

Evan Edwards
Evan Edwards

Absolutely. America loves avenging her ships

Jayden Hughes
Jayden Hughes

I'm saying the if 100 troops were to die the public would be more upset than most other countries. We expect our wars to be one sided with no losses on our side

Ian Butler
Ian Butler

USS liberty
USS McCain
USS Fitzgerald
USS Thresher

Samuel Carter
Samuel Carter

US is still heavily invested in the Opium coming from Afghanistan
We just have private military contractors guarding these poppy fields instead of soldiers

Hudson Bennett
Hudson Bennett

Would Iran sinking a US carrier count as an excuse?

That would require Iran to attack it without provocation. If they were to sink one in retaliation to an American attack, it would be seen as an act of self-defense.

Elijah Ward
Elijah Ward

You also need to take into account the rest of the world was already at war and that WWII was able to get the US out of the Great Depression. Hard to do that currently since we have the best economy is the last 50 years and no allied support

Joseph Taylor
Joseph Taylor

USS Thresher

Niggawhat

David Turner
David Turner

Carrier sunk among other ships
multiple planes shot down
outcry and rioting nationwide causes the U.S to pullout

Liam James
Liam James

prove my point. america cant take mass casualties like they used to.
No man, we would just send the Drones with AI.

Jason Perez
Jason Perez

9/11 was barely 3000 casualties from a well-hidden, poorly-defined enemy and the US was frothing at the mouth for war. Even the most limp-wristed blue-state baristas were flying multiple US flags on their cars.

The opportunity to go against an real nation-state enemy with flags, uniforms, and addresses? That's the scenario every soldier prays for.

Liam Thomas
Liam Thomas

Q-313, Iran's stealth fighter.

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Jacob Lee
Jacob Lee

The US military structure is pretty barebones. We have just enough troops to maintain support and control

Elijah Gray
Elijah Gray

sunk by russian sub, then covered up to avoid war.

Nathaniel Barnes
Nathaniel Barnes

We expect our wars to be one sided with no losses on our side
Were the fuck have you been for the last 20 years?

More US military have died in the United States from Alcohol and other misadventures than enemy fire.

Jordan Jackson
Jordan Jackson

sunk by russian sub

And why would they do that?

Josiah Ramirez
Josiah Ramirez

US sub was on collision course and refused to change heading. rather than embarrassing themselves like with fitzgerald they sunk the sub

Josiah White
Josiah White

It's skeletal. Give DOD more money plox. We need more carriers and F35s.

Elijah Sanders
Elijah Sanders

So an accident? Not an intentional attack.

Caleb King
Caleb King

The public isn't aware of that though. They're going to shit their pants though we CNN blares "BREAKING NEWS: ONE CARRIER AND THOUSAND KILLED IN IRAN ATTACK"

Jace Wilson
Jace Wilson

I'm saying that the US is able to currently retake the whole of Afghanistan at this point. I wish that we could find a way to leave since all the Afghanis know how to do is destroy themselves and be Grade A retards

Samuel Myers
Samuel Myers

yeah. they're going to shit, then get shitting mad. trump will have to convince his voters that carpet nuking Iran isn't ok.

Mason Powell
Mason Powell

What about the liberals though? They'll want to wave a white flag.

Cooper Peterson
Cooper Peterson

At that time, Niggers weren't allowed to vote and women still know how to make sandwiches.

Angel Clark
Angel Clark

No. They're going to be sane and moderate. They'll call for invasions. The really onions-filled ones will limit themselves to carpet bombing.

Cooper Turner
Cooper Turner

Well you will be put in a support role anyway you smarmy ROTC fag

David Russell
David Russell

This. At most some missiles fly

Christopher Rivera
Christopher Rivera

the US cannot fight peer militaries anymore
even if this statement was correct, it doesn't change the fact that Iran is as far from being a military peer of the US as Poland or South Africa.

Levi Nguyen
Levi Nguyen

When was the last time the US was stupid enough to make a preemptive strike with a risk like that? We're pretty damn good at making sure the other guy always shoots first. Ft.Sumpter, the USS Maine, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, Invasion of Kuwait, 9/11. If we want to go to war, we'll make sure the other guy gives us a good reason for it.

Dominic Jones
Dominic Jones

the US cannot fight peer militaries anymore,
Fucking lmao what
navy faggot stationed with marines here, did a field op a few weeks ago. Surprise. It wasn't fucking COIN. Our OPFOR was an equal sized, equally armed and equally intelligent company of marines.

it is COIN focused now, and that cant be changed this late in the game.
So you're telling me every tank, helicopter, support aircraft, jetfighter, troop, intel, officer etc. is so COIN focused that they CANNOT fight peer groups. ok retard

if the US goes up against iran, it will lose outright.
Their entire army is 500,000 people. Our Navy/Marine Corps has 500,000 active and 130,000 reserve, 480 ships, 10+ aircraft carriers, 3,700+ aircraft....that's just our fucking Navy.
Unless you want me to include the 1,300,000 others in the Army/Airforce and 9,000 additional aircraft. We have 42 bases in 12 countries that basically border the country.

We wouldn't come out unscathed, but we would essentially smash their fucking guts apart. And it wouldn't take that long, either.

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Jack Sanders
Jack Sanders

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Logan Butler
Logan Butler

Christ, I just looked it up for fun; Iran has 740ish available aircraft. 740. We have 13,000. 13 fucking thousand.

If Iran had a 1 - 15 kill ratio with us, by the end of it we would still have twice as many as they have.

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Easton Lee
Easton Lee

The USAF is the largest airforce in the world and the USN is the second largest air force

Chase Allen
Chase Allen

I like Iran though their history and culture is very interesting.

Bentley Brooks
Bentley Brooks

I like German, Japanese, Vietnamese, and Russian culture and history. Hasn't stopped the US from fuckin with them in the past.

Leo Clark
Leo Clark

Even if the our Navy wasn't the 2nd largest airforce, we have so many fucking aircraft carriers it's mental. We have so many aircraft carriers that we stopped calling our previous smaller ones carriers.

We could probably have 400+ fighters in any ocean on the planet in less than a month. We could mog the fuck out of your airforce, then decapitate your capital and cluster bomb the fleeing refugees. Then bomb their decaying bodies. It's fucking mind boggling.

Christian Miller
Christian Miller

just occupy the oil rich areas and watch the rest of the country rot.

Blake Gray
Blake Gray

you have 2 carriers fucking around the area not daring to come within range so your aircraft can strike strategic targets.. And all your bases are within insurgence reach.
You don't have Iraq. Russia is around. You just started a trade war with China and sanction Huawei for bogus reasons. The EU is telling you to fuck off.
Iran is literally Afgan in terms of terrain. Good fucking luck moving 500k troops 1000 miles through those mountains.

Caleb Foster
Caleb Foster

The World’s only 6th generation fighter.

Ryder Perez
Ryder Perez

The fact of the matter is that the US can’t fight its way out if a wet paper bag.

The country hasn’t won a real war on its own since the Spanish-American War.

The MIC exists only to enrich the Jewish pedophile elite.

Bentley Walker
Bentley Walker

The country hasn’t won a real war on its own since the Spanish-American War.

Excuse me?

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Charles Morris
Charles Morris

Spanish- American war
not major combatant
Spanish AMERICAN war
You also ignore the importance of the US in ww2

Eli Brooks
Eli Brooks

The US has a growing trend of entering wars where they win every battle but still manage to lose.

Christopher Watson
Christopher Watson

It would be very painful, for you

wearethemighty.com/articles/that-time-a-marine-general-led-a-fictional-iran-against-the-us-military-and-won

Lucas Rogers
Lucas Rogers

The Iranians don’t have an excellent USMC General tho

Cameron White
Cameron White

Yes, because pulling futuretech out of your ass and being a munchkinlord is perfectly acceptable.

Grayson Scott
Grayson Scott

If the US was neutral then why did FDR stop selling raw materials to them?

The truth is FDR wanted the US in the war and antagonized the Japanese until they struck

Gabriel Robinson
Gabriel Robinson

I'm fucking bored of brown and tan desert warfare.

Lets get back to 80s jungle camo aesthetic and go assert dominance in some leafy shithole.

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Michael Powell
Michael Powell

I didn't know people this retarded were allowed out in public.

Aaron Jones
Aaron Jones

If the US was neutral then why did FDR stop selling raw materials to them?

Because the United States is not obliged to sell Japan jack shit and they should've considered themselves lucky that we hadn't decided to stop selling much earlier.

The truth is FDR wanted the US in the war and antagonized the Japanese until they struck

Yes and no. Roosevelt wanted war (as did an increasing portion of the public), but with Germany. The Pacific was always a secondary concern.

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Eli Wilson
Eli Wilson

This

Also bring back A2s and M203s because FUCK SHECKLER & COCK AND FUCK PICATINNY COVERED ABOMINATIONS

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Charles Adams
Charles Adams

That's just an F-5 wearing cosplay and you know it.

David Morales
David Morales

speaking of jungle camo, does anyone have that photo of a bunch of soldiers around a doorway, and one on the left is holding up his A2 with m203 and rolled up sleeves?

Shit was cool and I can't find it

Jace Cooper
Jace Cooper

Vote Wayne Lambright 2020, and i will pull out troops out of the middle east and send them to south America and Africa!

We will conquer the Venezuelans and use the gold from their international bank accounts to fund my Floating Electricity plan.

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Jaxson Hernandez
Jaxson Hernandez

I can also guarantee a return to A1 and A2 rifles being issued to service troops, along with the reinstatement of the M14 as a standard issue rifle

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Jayden Reed
Jayden Reed

FDR wanted war with Germany, there's no hiding that. The US stopped selling oil and other materials to Japan because Japan was trying to take over the Pacific, where the US had many territories and interests. What kind of fool would be supplying things to a nation that was openly trying to push them out of the region?

Logan Nelson
Logan Nelson

Lucky for you I just posted on /his/

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Hunter Harris
Hunter Harris

He's got my vote.

Also bring back jungle boots. I fucking hate tan so fucking much.

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Logan Reyes
Logan Reyes

fuck yeah son

Jaxson Ortiz
Jaxson Ortiz

ywn operate that hard or that aesthetically
It isn't fair, lads

Jeremiah Long
Jeremiah Long

lmao @ the retards giving their '''expert''' opnion here. Iran has literally expected this for 40 years you mongoloids, that's why IRGC's budget (a guerrilla army) is 4 times the budget of their national/conventional army. It will be an asymmetrical war against an army 20x the size of Hezbollah, equipped with modern equipment (mutts still can't figure out how they bombed those oil tankers without detection), owning hundreds of missile cities under the mountains.
Sure, the U.S will control Tehran and a few other key cities, but nothing more than that. And what's that gonna achieve? The moment they pack up and leave after the war of attrition that will ensue, IRGC will take over, literally same thing that happened in South Lebanon. There's really no winning this.

Jace Davis
Jace Davis

Ok, let's compare.

Irak at 2003:

538,000 active
650,000 reserves
2,000 tanks
3,700 APCs and IFVs
2,300 artillery pieces
300 combat aircraft
Iraqi Republican Guard Symbol.svg Special
Iraqi Republican Guard: 12,000
Iraqi Republican Guard Symbol.svg Iraqi
Republican Guard: 70,000–75,000
Fedayeen Saddam: 30,000
Arab volunteers: 6,000

geographically

438,317 km^2 land area
58 km of coastline
3,809 km shared borders
Made up by somewhat old soviet equipment and doctrine, and still crippled with no real reforms to their military just in case it turned against Saddam.

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Thomas Long
Thomas Long

Meanwhile Iran

873,000 active
350,000 reserve
307 combat aircraft
1,634 tanks
2,345 AFVs
4600 artillery pieces(between rockets, towed and self-propelled)
398 naval assets

geographically

1,648,195 km^2 land area
2,440 km coastline
5,894 km borders

Recently bought russian equipment and had Syrian experience knowledge syphoned by russian trainers, has not been involved in any major conflict recently.

Now, add that this time there is a real posibility that there are actual nuclear weapons(even if the weapons are technologically limited they can be used as nuclear mines or gravity bombs and not only do damage but also create one huge military disaster with huge political, social and diplomatic consequences) and a justified use in case of existential threat for the Iran government.

Now, proceed to invade.

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Charles Hernandez
Charles Hernandez

I'm not seeing any reason Iran wouldn't go down just as fast and hard as Iraq did.

Levi Richardson
Levi Richardson

Not weakened
No flat terrain
Bigger army
More modern equipment
Experience
Not politically isolated
Actual posibility for WMDs

With just 3 of these is enough reason not to invade without at least a civil war going on.

Jace Phillips
Jace Phillips

More modern equipment
Their equipment is complete garbage. Where are you getting this from?

Logan Taylor
Logan Taylor

Sure, those are all things that make Iran a tougher military target
None of them make it capable of actually surviving a US invasion though.

Aaron Hughes
Aaron Hughes

They are not composed mainly of S-200s batteries, T-55, T-62s and they do not depend upon interceptors like the Mig-25, and they even have some US equipment in their arsenal(although not modern, is better than Migs-23s that Irak had for example, and in the short term logistics aren't that much of a problem).

Actually yes, mountains halt advances and provide a lot of cover, meaning that you cannot expect to have the country under control in a week, for example in Bosnia mountains provided protection for the anti-air missiles and air supremacy could not be achieved, in this scenario something like that is to be expected.

Meaning that invading from the South through a naval assault will turn the war into a meat grinder, from the East is even worse with higher altitudes and from the west will require Pakistani cooperation, which most certainly will not want since they are not in a so dissimilar situation of having nuclear weapons and an unstable zone.

A conventional invasion for some deals is not the right environment to wage war, Iran can be invaded but only if they anger their neighbours or start falling apart from the inside, as it is, it would be too costly and there are no garanties that after the war it won't become another monetary black hole in stabilization efforts.

Luis Garcia
Luis Garcia

They are not composed mainly of S-200s batteries
Yes they are, S-200s, S-75s and indigenous "upgrades" make up the majority of their air defenses, with their other systems being similarly ancient stuff like the hawk.
T-55, T-62s
By far the most common tank in Iranian service, and none of their other MBTs are any better.
and they do not depend upon interceptors like the Mig-25
The Iranian air force would essentially be a non-factor in any potential war.
and they even have some US equipment in their arsenal
And it's totally obsolete- the tech gap between modern US and Iran is much bigger than between 1991 US and 1991 Iraq.

Dominic Diaz
Dominic Diaz

ITT: Full of Bolton boomers.

Brandon Flores
Brandon Flores

More modern equipment
Iranian equipment isn't modern at all, save the indigenous development programs which are questionable in quality. The American equipment they have is legacy shit like the Hawk and the Tomcat, which they've increasingly cobbled together solutions for due to a lack of parts and are in bad states of readiness.
Their infantry isn't mechanized, and has difficulty even being moved at all. Their artillery is almost entirely towed pieces and static. Their tanks are a hodgepodge of British, American, and Russian examples frankensteined together with domestic upgrades, all 2nd gen. Their AF is a joke. Their navy is patrol boats.
Experience
The only experience Iran has in conventional war is sending children into minefields and losing to Syrian rebels without Russian air power.
Fun fact: the Iranian military is heavily bifurcated along the IRGC/Artesh lines. The C2 is a mess. Promotion among the officer corps is on the basis of loyalty, not competence. The training for the rank-and-file is arab-tier bad.

Bigger army
No, actually. We were looking a bit over a million troops in Iraq. Iran has a bit under that.

Nathan Jenkins
Nathan Jenkins

Yes they are, S-200s, S-75s and indigenous "upgrades" make up the majority of their air defenses, with their other systems being similarly ancient stuff like the hawk.
By far the most common tank in Iranian service, and none of their other MBTs are any better.

They have S-300s and most of their tank fleet is composed mainly of upgraded T-72s, not the best but just enough in the mountains, where the numbers of this equipment do not have to mean anything(do not expect to simply order airstrikes against thermal signatures with mountains in the middle nor the range and power advantage of M1A2s that the US enjoyed in Iraq)

The Iranian air force would essentially be a non-factor in any potential war.

Any air-force can be a factor in the right circumstances, even in Vietnam Migs-17s and Mig-21s where of use in ambush and hit and run tactics, in Irak the C2 network was destroyed and their airpower was grounded, here there is no reason to expect that to happen again so easily.

ly obsolete- the tech gap between modern US and Iran is much bigger than between 1991 US and 1991 Iraq.

Obsolete or not, they have access to it and for example, can use dedicated helicopters like the Seacobra in a very good environment for such platforms(again... mountains)

The main advantage that I see with Iran is the terrain, is simply dreadfull and being on the defense they have the entrenchment advantage, even an airborne operation is out of the question when you cannot follow it with ground forces.

Kevin Sullivan
Kevin Sullivan

Because the US is retarded and would rather have its own munitions and population used up in wars that actually have no merit because Sauds and Jews want them too.

Given that Iran is near entirely based around preventing that? Not well. Afghanistan and Iran share alot of terrain types and Iran isn't fueled by drug peddlers while it's able to produce it's own arms or buy the rest from China or Russia. They were throwing shit at Syria to use against ISIS much to the dismay of the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia. Plus Iran MIGHT have a short range nuke since they were supposedly tech exchanging with North Korea hence why the Norks managed to jump from unable to produce a working rocket to an ICBM as well as multiple nuke tests. Iran showing they can do the same would completely ruin Israel and Saudi Arabia's grasp on the region as well.

pathetic Iraqi army
army that was depleted and on low morale right after the largest war in the Middle East since the crusades
Don't be retarded. Given that Iraq was still getting shit from Russia in that war and Iran was under countless embargos for nationalising their oil, upsetting the US as a result, I can't really expect them to do better than they did.

thinks Trump isn't in the pocket of Israel and Saudis
has a name in the Golan heights being named after him because he let the Israelis fuck the Palestinians more
has multiple business interests under Saudi influence
Trump is a larger shill than either Bush, Clinton or Obongo. The only thing he stuck to was China and even that's flaking.

Samuel Lewis
Samuel Lewis

People are also underestimating Iran's proxies, and I don't just mean Hezbollah in Lebenon.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liwa_Fatemiyoun
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liwa_Zainebiyoun
Don't forget, the most influential figure in Iraq whose fatwa led to the creation of PMF and the fight against ISIS is an Iranian cleric named Sistani. Another fatwa, and you'll have the entire Iraqi PMF targetting Americans across the region.

Aiden Bailey
Aiden Bailey

They have S-300s
4 batteries worth of the old version (That's not to say that the new ones are even really effective) that the US has in its possession and trained extensively against. Again- vast majority is old shit that would be of no factor against even 4th gen fighters
most of their tank fleet is composed mainly of upgraded T-72s
No. They've got around 4-500 of the T-72S model, which is an M1 with the B's armor package. Not good for modern warfare.
where the numbers of this equipment do not have to mean anything
Not all of Iran is mountainous, nor is that an advantage in tank warfare when you have terrible sensors and optics with armor that cannot even hope to stop a 120mm round.
even in Vietnam Migs-17s and Mig-21s where of use in ambush and hit and run tactics
There's a huge number of differences between Iran and Vietnam, and the MiG-21 was not obsolete during the Vietnam war. Despite this, the VPAF was essentially a non-factor for the most part.

Angel Miller
Angel Miller

Wanna stress here that some parties have an even more depressing view of the IR military numbers-wise. A million is optimistic.
The DoD thinks they have just 350k troops between 2 separate command structures. Which means latency, miscommunication and confusion in wartime.

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Owen Young
Owen Young

pulling futuretech out of your ass
What futuretech?

Josiah Cruz
Josiah Cruz

Millenium Challenge tried something like that, America got fucked in that scenario by the mock Iran and they changed the rules to make it heavily biased for America

Grayson Baker
Grayson Baker

Oh my fucking god. How new are you that you still think that bullshit is in any way representative of reality?

Cooper Murphy
Cooper Murphy

ok retard

Jaxson Rivera
Jaxson Rivera

Only one of us is too much of a braindead sack of shit to use the archive and it ain't me, slick.

Ayden Williams
Ayden Williams

attacking a US carrier constitutes an attack on US soil, iran would be nuked within the hour.

Blake Sanders
Blake Sanders

Well, if you nuke 'em first, it'll be a cakewalk.

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Daniel Bell
Daniel Bell

yeah lets just make using nukes that much more acceptable. its not like i want to live for much more than another decade.

Luke Rivera
Luke Rivera

But then we all could larp Fallout.

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Justin Perry
Justin Perry

Yes on A1s and A2s, but no on M14s.

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Blake Smith
Blake Smith

Weeks of bombing key targets using two aircraft carriers and keeping Iranian DDG's at bay or destroyed using our superior strike forces. Landing full land strike groups using our LCACS/LHDs. We would fucking rape Iran if it ever came to a maritime war. They literally have no modern warships and the upkeep on old frigates and DDGs isn't something that you can do in a sustainable way. When I was on the CVN 74 going through the Gulf of Oman and the Persian Gulf you would see their DDGs literally 20 nm away following our strike group but they never did anything because they understand that their only viable position is threatening not full scale war. If a Iranian ship actually fired on an American ship you can not imagine the scale of shit their entire country would be in.

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Henry Kelly
Henry Kelly

Red pill dust.

Liam White
Liam White

B...B..ut da Jews!!!

Next you be the telling us that the rich made Donald trump president.
How stupid do you think we are?

Jackson White
Jackson White

How would a maritime invasion of Iran by the US go down?

Like a mouthful of sand!

Parker Collins
Parker Collins

Why the fuck would we do a maritime invasion when Iraq is still our bitch?

Kevin Parker
Kevin Parker

Why would we do that when we own most of their neighbors?

Landon Gonzalez
Landon Gonzalez

Take two toy tanks and bash them together while making pew pew Kaboosh Boom crash ahhh ahhh noises.

Josiah Nguyen
Josiah Nguyen

Where in that did he say Jews you stupid double nigger kike?

Josiah Green
Josiah Green

You really think USA win WW1 alone?
American education....

Wyatt Thompson
Wyatt Thompson

Is there any chance that Iran would use it's MRBMs against israel with chemical weapon warheads if they thought theyd lose? Do you think they'd use chemical and biological weapons against an invasion force? They'd have nothing to lose if they did since they'd be totally screwed anyway, might as well try to inflict massive casualties and let the post war insurgencies handle anything else.

Ayden Sullivan
Ayden Sullivan

Oldfag here. This is word for word what was said in the lead up to Iraq the first.
muh revolutionary guard
muh endless desert
muh Russian backing
muh battle hardened troops

Grayson Brown
Grayson Brown

Honestly, Iran would still get steamrolled. There’s been a large push the past few years to prepare the U.S military for a near peer war, so the troops invading would be much better prepared than they would have in 2013. Also, I’m seeing a lot of parroting of millennium challenge in here. Firstly, Van Riper abused the rules of the wargame to create scenarios that wouldn’t happen (i.e the entire bluefor fleet being sunk in an hour by Cessnas with missiles that are too heavy for them to actually carry). Basically, Van Riper was asspained that they reset the simulation prevent cheating on the part of opfor. So he went to the media and told this story about how woefully unprepared we were to fight Iran. Note that the military has not denied resetting the wargame, and that all Van Riper has was the claim that it wasn’t fair.

tl;dr: Millennium Challenge was nothing but a dickwaving contest and Van Riper is a bitch

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Thomas Anderson
Thomas Anderson

Bigger army
uh, what? the number of tanks, APCs and combat aircraft are roughly the same, the only place that has more numbers is infantry

James Stewart
James Stewart

There’s been a large push the past few years to prepare the U.S military for a near peer war

And the US Military has been in the shitter since September 11th, 2001 so that counts for basically nothing.

It can "prepare" for a "near peer war" as much as it wants and that doesn't mean shit so long as it continues to be plagued by rampant corruption, falling standards, imploding morale, and garbage-tier equipment that was procured with the sole intent of increasing Lockheed Martin's share prices. That's not even beginning to touch upon how little support such an endeavor would have.

War with Iran would be costly (at best) and above else, so unpopular that you would have huge segments of the America population who would actively try to sabotage it.

Ethan Clark
Ethan Clark

this.
without the EU, the US cannot project force.

this isnt the 90s anymore, the EU has more power than the US in international affairs, and is already beginning the process of siphoning american power for themselves.

unless they have the EU's go ahead, the US cant even enter a war in iran.

Samuel Wright
Samuel Wright

They have S-300s and most of their tank fleet is composed mainly of upgraded T-72s
understatement of the century. the S-300 is more than enough to keep the USAF at bay, given its performance in syria and the T-72 would be perfect for taking out the abrams in this environment.

Charles Brown
Charles Brown

the US has always been this way, even during the cold war the US military has always been just for show.

Adam Sullivan
Adam Sullivan

It wouldn't. Iran would be attacked by land, from a neighboring country that the US gubbermint coerces, bribes, etc. into letting themselves be used for such purposes.

Owen Collins
Owen Collins

the S-300 is more than enough to keep the USAF at bay
bait?
T-72 would be perfect for taking out the abrams in this environment
Double bait?

Aaron Ortiz
Aaron Ortiz

I’m sure the Russians thought so too, right? That’s why they stormed the Fulda Gap and brought glorious communism to the dirty NATO pigdogs, right? You absolute retard. Nice bait, you got me mad.

Charles Green
Charles Green

literally the only reason Russia never bothered is because of the European armies. the US was just considered cannon fodder.

Colton Brooks
Colton Brooks

Outside of maybe West Germany the US was the only force that was both competent and well-equipped in NATO.

Austin Cooper
Austin Cooper

What year do you think this is?

Andrew Richardson
Andrew Richardson

that's a sick garmin bro

Anthony Thomas
Anthony Thomas

The entire strait of Hormuz is in truck mounted missile range of Iran, overwhelm missile defense with trash then coup de'grace the Gerald Ford

Kayden Williams
Kayden Williams

this. the gerald ford is the ultimate symbol of US power, and it will be sunk.

Jayden Jackson
Jayden Jackson

The entire strait of hormuz is inside strike range of every US carrier near the gulf along with the mainland US.

Xavier Walker
Xavier Walker

the anti ship missile range is greater than that of anything the carriers can throw at it. its virtually impenetrable.

Thomas Green
Thomas Green

I drunkenly made out with her at an after hours bar in Portland once. She tasted incredible, what a woman...

Tyler Lopez
Tyler Lopez

is the Iranian government's ramblings the same sentiments of the Iranian people?

Generally not. Iran's population is highly educated and would generally get along quite well with the rest of the civilized world were they allowed it.

Colton Roberts
Colton Roberts

if theyre well educated then they would hate america to the core, as the rest of the civilized world does.

Lincoln Smith
Lincoln Smith

I don't believe you

Jose Stewart
Jose Stewart

who the girl on the left or right?

Levi Gomez
Levi Gomez

Everyone's as butthurt about america as I am!
nope

Kevin Powell
Kevin Powell

You missed the VNE of 260kts.

Joseph Hall
Joseph Hall

IMPRESSIVE

Bentley Lewis
Bentley Lewis

nuclear mines or gravity bombs and not only do damage but also create one huge military disaster with huge political, social and diplomatic consequences)
A Nuclear detonation would unironically be the best thing that could happen to Bolton PR wise. Even if we were the aggressors. At the start of the war

Zachary Davis
Zachary Davis

a forced JIDF "meme"

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