Let's be real, lads - how would a maritime invasion of Iran by the US go down?

Let's be real, lads - how would a maritime invasion of Iran by the US go down?

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.... but why? if israel or saudi arabia want iran to be invaded that badly, let them do it themselves. maybe even a joint affair! wahhabism and zionism working together, hand in hand. it'd be downright disney

Marines would achieve a level of insufferability never before seen.

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>implying anti-zionist haredim and wahhabists aren't basically the same thing

are you sure you know what the word 'implying' means?

>Implying you aren't a summerfag

Pretty bad to be honest. Iran fields a large army and is a far cry from what it was in the Iran - Iraq war. Not to mention the paramilitary revolutionary guard who will be more likely to fight to end. They have a decent airforce and navy and their officer corps are actually decently trained. Iran is nothing like Iraq in terms of terrain. In contrast to rolling deserts of Iraq, we will have to deal with rugged mountain ranges, sandy deserts, and sprawling forests. Iran's population is also very large and if a war were to occur, stability operations would be fucking impossible. We are talking about pacifying a populace of 83 million people. Not to mention that Iran might even have nuclear weapons. Finally Iran is a nation with immense strategic value and everyone will want a piece of it. You have oil, trading ports in the Caspian Sea, and much more.China and Russia will not sit back. This will be a fucking slogfest and will cost hundreds of thousands of American lives. Warhawk faggots like Bolton should be sent to front lines and see what war is actually like instead of sacrificing America's youth. I pray to god that war won't happen when I commission after I graduate. The consequences of this war will far outweigh the benefits.

>X has an unusually big army that's a far cry from the prior war's army
>X is well trained and/or battle hardened
>X has [special terrain here] perfect for defending against hi-tech American equipment/soft American troops
>X has [big value here] that will sucker in aid from allies and terrorists

You've plagiarized a thousand articles about Iraq vs the US - right before the gulf war. Every war in the last century, amateur defense critics recycle this copypasta about the US, and usually it's wrong.

it would take at least two or three carriers sinking before the US makes a dent.

>boom boom boom pop pop pop ouch, fuck, allah, NIGGERS
Probably something along those lines

the US cannot fight peer militaries anymore, it is COIN focused now, and that cant be changed this late in the game.
if the US goes up against iran, it will lose outright.

sure, the US would win. but it's not worth the effort. the task is enough of a pain in the ass that it'd only be worth undertaking if Iran posed an existential threat to the US itself. which it doesn't

fucking lmao

I doubt an actual invasion would be needed, things would just be Tomahawked and bombed to shit. Should there actually be an invasion then Iran's actual military would probably fold like Iraq's in 1991. I don't know enough about the social climate to predict if there would be an extensive insurgency, is the Iranian government's ramblings the same sentiments of the Iranian people? I'm sure a lot of them would strong dislike anything they felt was pushed by Israel, which were the fears in 1991 when the IDF wanted to move against Iraq after the Scud launches and Arab members of the coalition threatened to end cooperation.

There's not going to be any war. Iran already pussied out

Stop with the hysterics you'll attract the muslim shills

Good thing nobody is talking about invading Iran

Find me 1 quote by an Israeli or Saudi official talking about invading Iran

IRGC which is Iran's best got btfo by goat farmers in Syria, Russia had to save them

Don't worry, John Bolton will find a way to make it happen

1.) There will be no war

2.) Iran is shilled heavily on this board. It's a shithole that couldn't even beat the pathetic Iraqi army. They also got bitchslapped in Syria

3.) There are no good Muslims

thank you

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this. it would just be syria all over again, some strikes followed by hot air and propaganda then nothing.

god the middle east is fucking boring.

there aren't any (of course) because both parties are hoping we'll do it for them

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it's all "wish a nigga would" "j/k! ...unless you're gonna do it" shit. which naturally our stable genius in chief will have the good sense to ignore

The last time they had a truly major war there was Iran-Iraq, it became like WW1 with Cold War weapons and neither side accomplished anything besides stacking bodies.

>ORANGE MAN BAD!
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yeah, and that was well over 30 years ago.
everything since the gulf war has been a giant nothing burger.

Saudi Arabia doesn't need to
The royal family planned and funded the 9/11 attacks with Osama Bin Laden
The Bin Laden royal family was visiting the Bush family during the attacks, possibly making sure things went "as planned"
US military was used to attack Syria, Afghanistan, Iran, Jordan, and Iraq (countries with nothing to do with 9/11, but with large oil reserves and access to the Persian Gulf)

If Saudi Arabia wants something done then they'll use lobbyists to buy off congressmen
Or scheme with the CIA to create fake terrorist attacks
They don't need to send troops of their own

A complete fucking disaster that would either touch off a Third World War or a Second American Civil War.

If the last 20 years has taught us anything. It's that taking a divided nation to war is a bad idea.

>it wasnt our fault we dindu nuffin!
americans act like niggers.

>implying trump isn't a stable genius

>implying trump doesn't have the good sense to ignore bolton

You mean last 30 years which would include the Gulf wars.

In reality we haven't achieved any sort of military success since WWII.

Korea and Vietnam were similar to whats going on now...American deaths and debt for no fucking reason

actually it seems like bolton has cleaned up his act lately. either that or his current administration is just so retarded that it makes bolton look good by comparison.

What are you even saying? You sound like the niggers you're speaking against

youve lost every war youve ever fought in, what do you expect?

You're right. America lost the Spanish-American war. America lost WW1. America lost WW2. You're either an idiot or have no understanding of US geopolitical history

This mainly says Trump wants a war and the Israelis/saudis arent opposed to it

we do have a penchant for getting ourselves directly involved in the proxy actions of other nations, don't we?

I'd like to think we learned our lesson by now. guess we'll see about that

The reason I don't count the first Gulf War is because we achieved our objectives (liberate Kuwait). The issue was that we failed to actually end the war with either the total defeat of Iraq or signing a peace agreement that saw it politically rehabilitated and welcomed back into the community of nations. Basically overnight turning Iraq into an impoverished backwater that saw Sunni-Shia relations deteriorate to an all-time low.

that wasnt your win, since you either didnt do it yourself or werent a major combatant.

There is no way that marines will land on the Iranian coast unless there is absolutely no resistance. The Iranians have no comparable air force to counter US bombings. If the US tries a hasty maritime invasion the Iranians will have a good chance at sinking some American ships, but the US would have to complete a fast invasion in order to continue oil shipments.

>Basically overnight turning Iraq into an impoverished backwater that saw Sunni-Shia relations deteriorate to an all-time low.
that was the goal.

I am with you up till
...........China and Russia will not sit back.
>MY MAN

china and russia
won't lift a finger
because it has
nothing to do with
them.
And this is the USA's
last WAR. The USA
is about to go full on
non interventionist just because of energy. Peter Zeihan even says it.

Russia and China want this nut cracked and both couldn't do it on their own or either jointly.
What the USA has done...was opened up those nations over there for a new period of
greater resource share. This is ALL long haul outlook.

we are speaking 50- 100 years benefits from the actions done today

I'm assuming that the US carriers would be out of strike range of drones, missiles, and suicide boats. Even one carrier lost will be absolutely devastating

Iran hasn't fought against modern militaries either. Not to mention the US faired far better against Iraq both times than did the Iranians

So long as Saudi Arabia supports the invasion it's going to be easy. Air power from SA pounds the ever loving hell out of any Iranian units. The navy picks any number or even many numbers of ports and takes them without issue.
From the secured beachheads the army pushed in taking roads and passes. Any strong points Iran makes are destroyed by air power, anything less gets mopped up by the army.

Taking Iran with less than 500 dead might be a new world record.

what the fuck are you smoking?

What an absolutely stupid argument. By that logic there have been very few winners in any war ever.

it would be inevitable. if the carrier even enters the gulf the Iranians can sink it immediately and the US would go into full meltdown.

How about the civil and revolutionary war?

Do you understand the value of Iran. It supplies Chinese oil

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You mean the first and second US civil wars?

>revolutionary war
french win, not american. Americans got reamed until french showed up.
>civil war
american loss by default.

>Even one carrier lost will be absolutely devastating

Would it really? Come on. The US has 10 or 12 nuclear carriers and another 10 or 12 conventional/escort/amphib carriers.

>revolutionary war was a civil war
deluded bong

That's understandable. However, Kuwait was used as a one-stop shop for oil by the US, Saudi's and UAE. They may have been "liberated" but the purpose wasn't humanitarian.

and none of them have the range to avoid Iranian missiles.
the USN even wargamed themselves and lost entire carrier groups

Except it meant that Iraq would remain a thorn in America's side.

Exactly. Losing a carrier would be unacceptable since the American public only supports a winning military. I cannot imagine a carrier getting closer than 300 miles of Iran waters

Real shit
The US destabilized the region for political purposes, and will continue to do so

if the US were to go fully evil, the best the world could hope for - barring complete incompetence on the part of US leadership - would be to halt US projection of force, do what it could to support regime change within the US, and hope the US isn't as Samson optiony as certain other nations are. invasion of the US is impossible, unless the world is willing to sacrifice the ability to enjoy the benefits of satellite tech and doom the planet to not doing fuck all in space except try to clean up the debris field for the next several centuries

For France or the UK, losing a carrier is a big deal.

The US can simply send in the next wave, probably with a morale bonus when they start taking it seriously.

>invasion of the US is impossible,
you are 22 trillion dollars in debt and your military is in shambles. your people are weakened and weary of conflict and cant fight, and your resources are being bought up.

you can and are being invaded by every major power.

and it will die too. one after another falls victim to Iranian PT boats as described in your own wargame.

Each carrier is at least $5b dollars and has at least 2-3,000 crew. US carriers are a symbol of US naval dominance and losing just one will turn the war very unpopular. Not to mention the Iranians are viewed as greatly inferior so it would be unacceptable to lose a carrier to a weak navy.

exactly. gulf war 1 was a resounding victory in all regards, including geopolitically.

the US populous cant take casualties, if a carrier were to sink the entire US navy would break and the population would be at civil war.

It's not a war against Russia or China. There should not be any lost carriers. The last time a carrier was sunk was in 1945

dude. It is not the number of carrier. It's the prestige. If we lose a carrier like that, a lot of others will think of us as pushover

not to say that the US could conquer the world if it wanted to. just that it could end civilization as we know it if it didn't get its way in regional affairs. see: Russia vs. Ukraine

>country's military and economy is in shambles for decades
>regime is hated by the west
>economic recovery near impossible
the US had iraq right where it wanted it up until gulf war 2.

No

>unironic reference to van riper

that's a bingo

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everyone already knows your a pushover. no one is afraid of the US anymore.

>They may have been "liberated" but the purpose wasn't humanitarian.

Obviously there's an ulterior motive behind everything but the Gulf War nonetheless was widely regarded as a legitimate and just war by the American public and the world at large.

We did not have that going into Iraq the second time.

That's true. But the war (there is no war as congress never declared it) in the middle east has been unpopular for at least a decade. The US government shows no signs of slowing down now. Obama and Trump both promised to withdraw large numbers of troops, but it hasn't happened. The troops who do get withdrawn get replace by private military contractors.

I wouldn't go that far. The US populous would just be outraged and not trust the military to make anymore decisions. Only way the US can lose is if the public turns against the military

>the US can't take casualties, take out their symbols to cripple and deter them

Perfect plan, what could possibly go wrong?

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thats why a carrier sinking would cause the US to go into civil war. racial makeup of the USN would cause riots and unrest among groups like the alt-right vs BLM. ethonosates would form and the US government would not be able to penetrate either racial group due to being secular.

prove it

We didn't need to invade any countries at all
The exception being Saudi Arabia for planning/funding/carrying out the 9/11 attacks

inroads that can be wiped away within a week of nationalization. a trick even your most seemingly relatively disadvantaged African or South American country can (and have) pull off

that could never happen anymore. the US public is too weary of war. just look at vietnam.

The US doesn't have the resources or the excuse to invade a country like Iran yet...

>russia getting nothing but gainz in syria and venusuala
>Canada and western Europe becoming firm Chinese allies
>US getting pushed out of afghanistan by russian backed houthis

I doubt that soldiers getting killed will cause any kind of civil way
Too many Americans are apathetic
Those who aren't will not be willing to lose their family over something so trivial

>t. nip politicians circa 1938.

>muh Pearl Harbor

The reason Pearl Harbor had the opposite intended effect was because the United States was neutral and the Japanese had used peace talks to stalk American action in the run-up to that attack. To the American people, it was an act of treachery that had to be punished.

Its effects would've been very different if Roosevelt had opened the war with an attack on Japan and Pearl Harbor was struck in retaliation.

nope. america is firmly separated among racial lines. even the slightest thing can cause the US to go into full race war at this point, especially with the election.

Would Iran sinking a US carrier count as an excuse?

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Depending on how the war starts the US will be how capable the US will be of taking casualties. Unless it is a massive attack by Iran the public will have limited support. Also no carriers were sunk at Pearl Harbor

The American lapdogs of Israel will be too scared of Qahere-313 fighters and Karrar MBTs!

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>the US populous cant take casualties
33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" average.
Iraq was literally just a simulation for South Chicago gang life for the US military. 1.6 million deaths from diabetes. You bring up 2K deaths and say it will break America with a straight face?

Our cops and neighbors cause more death in accidental discharges than a wiping a carrier battle group would. All you would do would be provide a malicious enemy for the body public instead of "the price of freedom" for this blood. Good luck Chang.

remember the Maine!

wth is that?

yet nothing actually comes of these deaths. you prove my point. america cant take mass casualties like they used to.

yes
it worked for the Vietnam war
Gulf of Tonkin incident

Brother, you're deluded here. Though a carrier sinking would be a major blow to morale, I'm doubtful that it would cause ethnostates to boil up out of the blue. BLM are no Black Panthers, they're a toothless and essentially pacifistic protest movement, essentially decentralized. The alt-right - meaning here white ethnonationalists specifically, I assume - are incredibly poorly organized and near constantly wracked by infighting.

I don't think civil war in the US is out of the question in the distant future, say three or four decades down the line, but an invasion of Iran is incredibly unlikely to be a direct catalyst, and it's doubtful that the vogue political movements you describe would be the major players. Much more likely to originate in mass disenfranchisement caused by outsourcing of some labour jobs and automation of others.

this will be the thing that breaks the US racial lines and turns the US into ethnostate factions.
count on it.