Any Jow Forums leftie bros have any stories about leftist gun groups like SRA theres...

Camden Jones
Camden Jones

any Jow Forums leftie bros have any stories about leftist gun groups like SRA theres one in my area and I was wondering if i should look into it

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_institutions
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/apr/20b.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_Soviet_Union
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivization_in_the_Soviet_Union#Crisis_of_1928
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak

Jaxon Bailey
Jaxon Bailey

You're going to get eaten alive here.

Isaac Perez
Isaac Perez

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Jordan Brooks
Jordan Brooks

Trannies are really going all out, today
Anyhow post guns with timestamp

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Tyler Martinez
Tyler Martinez

I'm willing to take that chance to be surprised

Daniel Martin
Daniel Martin

I'll take the bait

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Mason Hall
Mason Hall

Get the fuck outta here you commie sack of shit

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Jonathan Evans
Jonathan Evans

Reminder that both the former head of the CIA and FBI are communists.
Communism has infiltrated into the deepest parts of US government. It's only a matter of time before communism wins.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_institutions

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Kevin Garcia
Kevin Garcia

literally the one thing that the weird mix of fascists, libertarians, and conservatives that frequent this place can agree on is that commies deserve the rope

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Levi Bennett
Levi Bennett

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Brody Flores
Brody Flores

all right winger agree that commies suck
whoda thunk it

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Brandon Collins
Brandon Collins

I have a question since you're (presumably still) here.
How is it that so-called socialist and other leftist gun people even continue to exist when leftists by and large are all for the disarmament of the public? Especially when Marx himself wrote that the workers should be armed.

Nolan Young
Nolan Young

why dont you try to actually understand other groups rather than just shouting the down with
"le shoot de commie"
"le gas the commie"
christ make friends

Jason Evans
Jason Evans

Just most people.

Christopher Cox
Christopher Cox

commies are worse than liberals and deserve nothing but bullets to the back of the head

Dominic Rivera
Dominic Rivera

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Grayson Adams
Grayson Adams

christ make friends
Do you know where you are?

Zachary Anderson
Zachary Anderson

does this actually work? It only makes me hate them more

Josiah Phillips
Josiah Phillips

Friends are for insecure people.

Andrew Jones
Andrew Jones

Go back to plebbit then unironically blow your brains out you sub 60 IQ nigger lover.

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Daniel Smith
Daniel Smith

They're a terrorist cell who only wants guns for themselves and you dont own any
Trannies are going all out

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Justin Clark
Justin Clark

leftist
being around guns at all
??????????????????

Matthew Parker
Matthew Parker

simple, we arent them, as much as facsists are republican, also youd be suprised by the number of rural whites have become class conscience that were formerly on the right

Parker Collins
Parker Collins

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Henry Murphy
Henry Murphy

Commies get the bullet

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Carson Miller
Carson Miller

Go take a helicopter ride.

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Robert Barnes
Robert Barnes

Weren't the discord trannies also communist?
It sounds like a joke but I could have sworn there was a screenshot of it

Asher Perez
Asher Perez

Ive seen them on /lit/, is funny because there were many native leftist there already and they hate chapo faggots as much as everyone else I highly dobubt that
look at redneck revolt

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Nathan Taylor
Nathan Taylor

be commie in 2019
go to college for a liberal arts degree
get degree with no plan
be in debt because you took out student loans
blame others for taking out student loan despite no one forcing you to go to school
get retail job and put no effort in
dont get promoted because you don't put effort in
fail to realize that getting promoted to low level management or a sales specialist role is incredibly fucking easy if you put in effort
blame the corporations for this
exist during a time where information is virtually limitless online
don't attempt to learn any new skills or talents
this is capitalism's fault

such is life for the modern communist.

Juan White
Juan White

I have it was pretty fun no military dictators pushed me out tho so i think my exprence is skewed

Angel Green
Angel Green

Kommunisten raus!

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Kevin Mitchell
Kevin Mitchell

rate this squad Jow Forums

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Angel Jones
Angel Jones

sucks for you Im actually very finically literate and have no debt but still blame corperations for todays shitty situation

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Robert Rodriguez
Robert Rodriguez

why don't you go and ask your friends over at r*ddit

Jaxson Jackson
Jaxson Jackson

yuri was bought and paid for before the fall of the USSR

Jonathan Scott
Jonathan Scott

I’ve already learned about communism. Communism is evil. You should be put against a wall and shot like the rest of your scum predecessors

Noah Baker
Noah Baker

It isn't just right wingers that agree, entire humanity agrees. Commies aren't people.

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Luke Foster
Luke Foster

We understand you
That is why we hate you

Daniel Rodriguez
Daniel Rodriguez

What do you guys not go outside ever I would think that someone has atleast heard of a leftist gunclub

Anthony Bennett
Anthony Bennett

Learn to spell

Gavin White
Gavin White

communism is evil and ill show you that by executing people
nice moralizing there

Luis Robinson
Luis Robinson

caring about people
caring about soc*ety
politics
spook
other people
spook
language
spook

Adam Lee
Adam Lee

Death is the only thing subhuman commies deserve, well also rape and torture.

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Asher Howard
Asher Howard

People still fall for the communism meme

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Joseph Long
Joseph Long

thanks steiner

Ethan Turner
Ethan Turner

socialism =/= communism

Nathaniel Fisher
Nathaniel Fisher

does it bother you how retarded the working class are?

Jayden Watson
Jayden Watson

I always fall for these threads

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William Hill
William Hill

only sometimes, but for every ounce of stupidity the working class has the ruling class as twice as much disregard for humanity and i'd take stupidity over that any day

Carter Bailey
Carter Bailey

then post something useful dont just say your angry

Aaron Ramirez
Aaron Ramirez

Someone needs to shoot you and your commie buddies.

Angel Evans
Angel Evans

so much for the tolerant right

Ian Foster
Ian Foster

Jow Forums
tolerant
go back to plebbit you disabled nigger lover

Nathan Jones
Nathan Jones

the weird mix of fascists, libertarians, and conservatives
why did you list "facists" three times, user? Seems awfully redundant if you ask me.

Zachary Morris
Zachary Morris

I don't know where you got the idea that I was supposed to be tolerant of ideologies that are responsible for the deaths of millions. Scum like you deserve the socialism you get.

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Blake Butler
Blake Butler

sorry I didnt know you were too autistic to understand a inversion of a joke

Elijah Morgan
Elijah Morgan

Leftists are the most intolerant people that exist.

Logan Cook
Logan Cook

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Jacob Gomez
Jacob Gomez

muhhhhhhhhhhhhh buhgillion killed by the kommies

yup stalin himself came in the middle of the night and stole every bit of food from the starving pesants

Adam Edwards
Adam Edwards

All commies belong in the oven with the kikes.

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Chase Cooper
Chase Cooper

They're right, communists really aren't people.

Leo Sanchez
Leo Sanchez

The only good commie is a dead commie
Git the fuck out of Jow Forums

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Jack Myers
Jack Myers

no you just blame fammines on a economic structure

Robert Rivera
Robert Rivera

If you want to arm yourselves so that you get the opportunity to have your guns taken from you, be my guest.

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Tyler Stewart
Tyler Stewart

nazi lolis lips freak me out

Samuel Walker
Samuel Walker

Jow Forums is a libertarian board. Authoritarians get out REEEEEEEEE

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Xavier Diaz
Xavier Diaz

Except republicans arent fascists... Please tell me you have fallen for that absolutely ridiculous narrative. Calling everyone who isnt a leftie a nazi only devalues the evil the actual nazis committed.

Evan Turner
Evan Turner

Take away people's ability to produce to themselves
take away the fruits of their labor
WOW IT REALLY WASNT COMMUNISMS FAULT LOL

Julian Sullivan
Julian Sullivan

I mean, you're not disproving his argument

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Christopher Campbell
Christopher Campbell

Dude, I was liberal and democratic as fuck growing up, even through my 20s. Only around the age of 30 did my eyes begin to open up. Eventually you will see the light too. Ignore the news, ignore social media. Dig, research, analyze, take everything with a grain of salt. You will see the error of your ways.

Nathan Carter
Nathan Carter

socialism can be liberal if you think more about economic and social liberties rather than the "freedom from" idea that libertarians have now a days

Ethan Nguyen
Ethan Nguyen

moralizing
Ironic, considering lefties dont have any morals.

Caleb Peterson
Caleb Peterson

Crabs in a bucket
Crab gets bored and pretends to be dumb enough to, not only be a communist, but also pro 2A
doubt

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Owen Murphy
Owen Murphy

thats my point we are as much the democratic party as id europa is the republican party

Jackson Williams
Jackson Williams

Don't forget leftist fags are the reason you have to put any effort into getting a job. They destroyed the buying power of the USD with their endless deficit spending along with neocon globohomos and over regulated and socialized the country to the point that our agriculture only produces poison and our country produces nothing except debt

Jacob Jackson
Jacob Jackson

What's your opinion of the passages from Marx where he discusses the use of foreign and seasonal laborers as a tool of international capitalists to avoid paying workers a living wage?

Elijah Sullivan
Elijah Sullivan

around the age of 30 did my eyes begin to open up
Only true if you rob banks and kill people. Otherwise you're a slave, just like these "communists" and "right wingers" alike.

Eli Cooper
Eli Cooper

It's a shame about their ideology, because that symbolism is cool as shit.

Wyatt Brooks
Wyatt Brooks

druggies and mentally ill

Sebastian Miller
Sebastian Miller

Leftism is a blight.
Virtually every Marxist regime has had draconian gun laws. Fuck off.

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Ethan Wilson
Ethan Wilson

Don't you realise that it doesn't matter whether he's a commie or not the important part is that he's in to guns. These threads don't need to exist because all they call for is political debate, not even about guns.

Dominic Johnson
Dominic Johnson

Why don't you understand that some people here remember living and the oppression, rationing and silent terror of communist societies, look to family histories where people vanish at night, homes, even churches destroyed. Real members of real families, real people. This is the collective memory of MILLIONS of living people of communism. So I don't want to be your friend. A far as I am concerned you and your ilk should be killed like vermin. You fucking piece of shit. I have killed communists and just like that meme photo have NO regret. It is no different to shooting a serial killer to save his next victim. You are a living insult to those who suffered and died under stalin, mao the khemer rouge and all those who lived in the bleak misery of eastern European totalitarian communist states. Perhaps you are so naieve, protected, spoilt that you think in real life that this does not matter and you can play at insulting the dead and ruined ;lives of tens of millions. I hope you run into the right person and they kill you. It is what you deserve and the world will be a better place

Lucas White
Lucas White

This kind of shit makes it so fucking hard to make America great again. Oh well if it has to be one dead commie at a time then so be it. Blood for the Blood GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!!

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Asher Nelson
Asher Nelson

I may I may not, but I always like to expand my knowledge and grow as a person, I understand and have seen this "white liberalism" spread far to the left with my own eyes but I like to think I come from this for a different perspective than most leftists

Lincoln Allen
Lincoln Allen

christ make friends
Says the authoritarian

Jose Rogers
Jose Rogers

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Benjamin Collins
Benjamin Collins

Based and blackpilled

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Adrian Brooks
Adrian Brooks

yup and thats why you have a push for mass migration in europe especially because US has a little trick called the national minimum wage that the euros dont have all of there wages are set by unions and in ten years you'll either see a major drop in the euro or a major drop in what union find acceptable wages

Jackson Garcia
Jackson Garcia

Da fuck is this meme bro

Evan Rogers
Evan Rogers

Yep because we have socialist politicians like AOC and Hernie for open borders. Marx himself opposed nationalism and borders, retard.
Nigger and spic nations are very leftist too.

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Dylan Ortiz
Dylan Ortiz

That was an order.

Jeremiah Morales
Jeremiah Morales

Hurrr Durrrr, me commie, me bad.Shut the fuck up faggot.

Samuel Murphy
Samuel Murphy

commies are for guns
EVERY Marxist regime had draconian gun laws you falseflagging leftypol retard.

Bentley Hughes
Bentley Hughes

Why on earth would you befriend people whose ideas are antithetical to self-reliance and individual liberties if you're interested in firearms?

I mean, you don't have "being a nice guy" or any possible other positive qualities to rely on if you're trying to "make friends" online on a weapons forum. All we have to go on is what you say you are, and presuming it's not a troll-job, what you say you are is something that tends to forbid ownership of the things we're here to discuss, especially if we're not also in the commie club.

TL;DR: who'd want to be your friend with an opener like that? It's like going to a Black Panther meeting and saying "why don't you niggers want to be my friend?"

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Owen Kelly
Owen Kelly

Pinochet did nothing wrong.

Kayden Hill
Kayden Hill

bernie is a pro ICE Civ Nat If he wernt on the democratic ticket he'd be very pro boarders

Adam Jones
Adam Jones

Imagine being rarted enough to think that any time in history you didn't have to work as hard as you could to get along

Adam Lewis
Adam Lewis

I just wnted to hear about leftist gun groups but the political talk keeps is first page

Adrian Thomas
Adrian Thomas

Jow Forums is a monarchist board

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Robert Morris
Robert Morris

Explain the Katyn Massacre then?

Adrian Cruz
Adrian Cruz

Christfags v commiefags which is worse?

Elijah Scott
Elijah Scott

pro-amnesty
Yeah, nah. Fuck that kike.

Jose Moore
Jose Moore

poles wanted a fight soviets had a fight and bigger guns soviets won, it was a massacre, I dont even like the ussr but if after the civil war southern officers got froggy and started plotting it woudnt be a big deal if they were purged

Thomas Foster
Thomas Foster

Commies.

Aiden Powell
Aiden Powell

what is reading comprehension
This is how you know a boomer is triggered

Parker Williams
Parker Williams

flawless gopnik technique

Oliver Rivera
Oliver Rivera

Good for you buddy. Leftists tend to lurk around here. I haven't been to any range days or meet ups yet, but they are highly inclusive and represent pretty much any left leaning group. Basically just pro-union, pro-2A, and against white nationalism.

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Wyatt Campbell
Wyatt Campbell

Useful idiots

Parker Allen
Parker Allen

I'm not a natsoc but I'd gladly load all of you into the first train bound for auschwitz if I could

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Ian Sullivan
Ian Sullivan

Bull fucking shit, I’ve seen that same image and same OP pasta posted here time and time again alongside other variants with an image of Sanders. You fag(s) come here fully knowing the results of a trash bin that is this thread while involving politics in the first place to ignite the gunpowder keg. You’re no different than /pol/ pulling the same shit. Fuck outta here

Jose Cox
Jose Cox

marxists
pro gun
Marx was referring to an arming of the workers to overthrow capitalism. That text is not about an individual right to bear arms, nor does it say what would happen to the guns after the revolution.

Lenin said the same thing; all the workers should be armed and form a militia: marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/apr/20b.htm

So what did Lenin do after the revolution? He confiscated all the arms owned by peasants and imposed draconian gun laws.

The December decree of the CPC of 1918, "On the surrender of weapons", ordered people to surrender any firearms, swords, bayonets and bombs, regardless of the degree of serviceability. The penalty for not doing so was ten years' imprisonment.[2]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_Soviet_Union

Joshua Murphy
Joshua Murphy

have you seen any members at the range, my worst frear is that they are 100 % made up of rad libs
yeah im bad at socializing with fringe people,dont care about sexuality or any of your weird fetishes but I dont like to walk on egg shells Im stll an edgy 20something

Kayden Powell
Kayden Powell

Leftypol is filled to the brim with trannies. Neck yourselves. Pro gun rights is a negative liberty which is firmly right-wing.

Parker Wilson
Parker Wilson

really Ive been here alot and Ive never seen it
ok and I think thats bad Ive already said in this thread I dont like the Ussr and I dont have to take marx's word as gospel

Ayden Green
Ayden Green

Fuck off then.

Elijah Wood
Elijah Wood

read that post harder there is another leftist board on 8ch yes I know that the board owner is a tranny

Samuel Phillips
Samuel Phillips

leftYpol that is

Cooper Long
Cooper Long

im not a nazi but...

Grayson Hall
Grayson Hall

I am a nazi. Kill youself.

Jose Morales
Jose Morales

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Alexander Lewis
Alexander Lewis

Will there ever be a man as based as Pinochet again?

Charles Young
Charles Young

Why the fuck would I want to make friends with commies? They're statist thieves and mass murderers.

Socialism is a logical phallacy.

William Lee
William Lee

but..... gassing commies is pretty based shit.
I could care less about all the goosewalking aryan race leibenstraum bullshit.

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Dominic Ward
Dominic Ward

Yeah. Gnatzees and Gommies all look pretty damn good on the end of my M1s bayonet.

Asher Russell
Asher Russell

Based

Brayden King
Brayden King

communists deserve to die.
I'll give early commies a slight pass, but you dumb motherfuckers in 2019 have the benefit of seeing that your stupid shit doesn't work, and only results in death and suffering. but you don't care. So you deserve to die. thrown from helicopters or shot, it doesn't matter.

Angel Murphy
Angel Murphy

No. No it can't. It is anathema to freedom.

Carson Robinson
Carson Robinson

It's kinder to kill a communist than it is to let him live.

Benjamin Gray
Benjamin Gray

executing people
I just see pest control

Owen Edwards
Owen Edwards

Not in any way that matters.

Ryder Garcia
Ryder Garcia

What's to understand? You want other people's shit. That's why you're a leftist.

Brayden Harris
Brayden Harris

Go kill yourself, you genetic defect.

Isaac Thompson
Isaac Thompson

Let's see who we install in Venezuela.

David Scott
David Scott

Based and boomerpilled.

Jason Morales
Jason Morales

Can't help but notice that the forefront is made up of whites, yet "white people" isn't on that flag...

Michael Collins
Michael Collins

Your response is utter nonsense.

Tyler Rodriguez
Tyler Rodriguez

I ain't gonna line pinkoes up and put them in a camp or anything, but you understand if you fucks come and tell me what I can own, what I can say, what I can do, I'll set off the EFP and have you flying like Team Rocket.

Xavier Murphy
Xavier Murphy

I'd love to see you say faggot in front of your liberal friends. Post video.

Jacob Powell
Jacob Powell

Give me a break, user, I'm old and the dementia is setting in.

Logan Williams
Logan Williams

Blacks deserve their own nation!
This Good!
White dont deserve their own nation!
They evil and shiet

Dominic Wright
Dominic Wright

famine
LMAO!!!!

Adam Perry
Adam Perry

why dont you try to actually understand other groups
Yes, why don't we actually understand a pedo or a mass murderer. They certainly had good motivations. So we should respect their viewpoints on human life.

Aiden Lee
Aiden Lee

The_long_march_through_the_institutions
The very idea of "long march" is disproven by multiple examples of people selling out for the sake of preservation of power. Especially in the left field of politics.
Entrism doesn't work.
when leftists by and large are all for the disarmament of the public
Because american definitions of "right" and "left" are fucked up to fit the political environment. What is called "left" and "socialist" in US is, in fact, centrist in any other place of the world. Most of the measures they promote have nothing to do with left idea, including the very idea of welfare state, that was emerging since Bismark.
Except republicans arent fascists..
They're reactionary and they exist on the money of financial capital. And people who belong to republican party and electorate have nothing against state terror directed against the unwanted groups of people, including economically left.
All those marks fit the Dimitrov's definition of fascism.

Owen Allen
Owen Allen

Shut the fuck up, communist.

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Andrew Kelly
Andrew Kelly

Conspirology sells.

Gabriel Ortiz
Gabriel Ortiz

Right, it wasn't a famine, it was a genocide.

John Cruz
John Cruz

Nothing education won't fix.
Right-wing NPC, how sweet.

Cameron Myers
Cameron Myers

Also, large portion of post-soviet "leftists" (or red retrogrades) are damaged by un-critical review of soviet experience. They eager to bring back all that was there without any doubt or review of the flaws of soviet system. That's one of the worst groups among leftists together with the class cucks and trannie rights movement.

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Lincoln Fisher
Lincoln Fisher

Mods let this thread go but not the shit on a Brit thread

Noah Gutierrez
Noah Gutierrez

If you actively prevent a people from being able to feed themselves, yeah, that's you responsible for that famine, a genocidal famine.

The kulaks were innocent, and Stalin was a murderous tyrant inspired by Lenin, himself little more than a primitive African warlord, relishing at the thought of publically hanging innocent people to set examples.

Colton Sanchez
Colton Sanchez

Don't ever compare me to commies again, faggot. You're as cucked by feminists and Jews as they are.

Aiden Scott
Aiden Scott

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

Jonathan Stewart
Jonathan Stewart

I can't believe I find myself agreeing with a commie; social democrats are indeed untrustworthy crooks.
Of course, this doesn't make regular socialists any less crooked.

Bentley Cook
Bentley Cook

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Nathan Nelson
Nathan Nelson

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Jacob Butler
Jacob Butler

But that's not true
Especially that "kulaks were innocent" statement when there are lots of records of kulaks being involved in the arsonry, murder, and other crimes. They fired the first shot

Brayden Hernandez
Brayden Hernandez

Don't ever compare me to commies again
I didn't you sub roomtemperature IQ retard.

Jonathan Russell
Jonathan Russell

"Socialists" today are just rebranded SDs.

Grayson Cruz
Grayson Cruz

Did they now?
Is this gonna be a thing like where Germany staged the most obvious false flag in the world, then cried that now they had to gas the jews?

Nathaniel Adams
Nathaniel Adams

Pro gun lefty immigrant here, fuck comunisn, fuck nazis too though.
Both are escapist bullshit to keep the ruling class in place.

In b4 leave
Welcome to america son.

Thomas Parker
Thomas Parker

Yes they did. Kulaks were basically a rural mafia without all that honor code.

Julian Brown
Julian Brown

finically literate
corperations
Like pottery

Leo Johnson
Leo Johnson

Naturally that means all the farmers and all the other Ukrainians needed to be murdered, you know, to protect them from the Kulaks.

Angel Wright
Angel Wright

Dat lousy joke
You're no fun.

Henry Wood
Henry Wood

Don't look at me, take your complaints to Joseph.

Isaiah Collins
Isaiah Collins

number of rural whites have become class conscience
Lol your ideology is based on the literal drunk ramblings of a German trust fund baby and really only applies to grain production before mass transportation of foodstuffs allowed us to more logically distribute goods. That's been taken and warped by ivory tower elites to be a weird thought system that tells you to lump people together by arbitrary characteristics like race and gender and treat them like representatives of that group. Socialism is a proto-industrial bread manifesto that has managed to repeatedly tank some of the world's richest economies and you dumb shits still think it's a viable form of governance? And now you think that because you've managed to trick a few dew-mouth rural incels into buying into your weird racialized bread ideology, you think there's some significant undercurrent of support for it? You, like practically all communists (don't lie to yourself and pretend that socialism and communism aren't two steps on the same path) are a delusional baby and probably, again like most communists, the whiny & ungrateful child of hard working upstanding middle class capitalists. Your ideology has no history of doing anything but causing mass death via induced famine, poorly planned revolution, and ideological purges.

Joseph Sanchez
Joseph Sanchez

Yeah here we go with the retarded group representation theory just like I said. "Some farmers acted unscrupulously according to historical records, therefore they all deserved to be brutally murdered in the street along with their families or sent to forced labor camps to work themselves to death". THIS is what your fucking ideological retardation caused to tens of millions of innocent fucking people, you evil fuck.

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Jaxson Gutierrez
Jaxson Gutierrez

devalues the evil the actual nazis committed
nazis committed evil
Wow okay nice to know you're a kike-loving degenerate faggot. If only they'd finished the job

Robert Lee
Robert Lee

Gaze upon your works and weep, scum. Did these children deserve to die screaming in pain, parentless, cold, and bitterly alone? Is that an acceptable outcome of your evil ideology?

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Blake Lopez
Blake Lopez

It's been over two years. Does anyone seriously believe ANY redditor has that kind of stamina and autism?

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Isaiah Cox
Isaiah Cox

Libertarian SOCIALIST :^)

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Tyler Roberts
Tyler Roberts

"The kulaks engaged in mafioso behavior" and that means millions should starve as retribution? LOOK AT WHAT YOUR IDEOLOGY REAPS, YOU STUPID EVIL SHIT. I want you to feel even a slice, a tiny crumb, of the pain that Marxism has wrought over the last century. I want you to see the destruction and evil that sweeps the nations who fall for your rhetoric.

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Jaxon Ward
Jaxon Ward

Intentionally destroying food production in order to quell a rebellion against your shit ideology leading to mass grain shortages is absolutely stealing food from those peasants you relativizing dumb fuck. Ukraine and the greater Volga region were the literal breadbasket of the USSR and Lenin, then Stalin, decided that ideological purge via mass starvation was an acceptable means of warfare. Fuck you and your complete mealy-mouthed apologetic ignorance of the horrors that communism has caused.

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Wyatt Scott
Wyatt Scott

First, you don't know how did they acquired all that land of theirs. Kulaks were basically loan sharks who managed to extort the land from the peasantry after the abolition of serfdom. The land which peasants have received by hard labor, because according to the abolition reform, peasants should have been freed without land of their own. The very word "kulak" means "fist" or, in this context "grasp", because they put the entire villages into debts and ruled them like that, by the power of money and weapons, used by the paid goons called "podkulachniki".
Second, all that "murder in the street" stuff is complete bullshit, because it contradicts the records and the laws according to which soviets used to deal with the kulaks. Based on the hardness of their guilt they could be deported to three possible destinations (to another settlement of the same oblast, in the neighboring oblast, in the "special settlement" away from their native land, not the camps). Executions were performed after the court trial, as in the case of Pavlik Morozov's grandfather.
Ideological retardation
You didn't even cared to do the fact checking or reading studies, making an assumption based on stereotypes and poor jokes. You're not the one to point out my retardations.
Tens of millions
Another bullshit. Again, there are many studies on the demographic of Soviet penal system, the most famous studies were performed by Zemskov. The real numbers are much lower than any of the asspulls of Robert Conquest

Blake Gutierrez
Blake Gutierrez

This is the photo of 1920s famine, caused by bad weather and civil war. Before Bolsheviks famines were a common thing, but I don't hear anything about harmful politics of tsarism from you. As royal minister of finance Vyshnegradsky said, "we may starve, but we will sell". Very humane, huh?

Lucas Baker
Lucas Baker

Natural disaster in the middle of the national crisis
Why don't you blame the White Movement that fired the first shots, started the White Terror, tried to sell the national sovereignty for military aid?

Alexander Morgan
Alexander Morgan

SRA is a tankie/stalinist/maoist/marxist organization. They are not pro-gun they a just pro-violent revolution and they'll take your guns and gun making tools once their revolution is done. That's how all socialism works. If that's what you are looking for, than kill yourself.
If you're looking for pro-gun groups that are actually pro-gun then just join or form an anarchist affinity group about firearms.

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Noah Jenkins
Noah Jenkins

They'll take your guns
How do you know?

Nicholas Parker
Nicholas Parker

So because the kulaks were opressing the poor, we gotta starve the poor to death? What the fuck kinda galaxybrain logic is that?
Or maybe, just maybe, The Party wanted land and less rebellion, and starving the people who disagree with you to death costs less than shooting them.
Go away and die, socialist.

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Thomas Bennett
Thomas Bennett

Uh,
1. because they're authoritarian socialists and that's what they've hisyorically always done.
2. They're all over twitter and tumblr actively discussing exactly this all the fucking time.

Charles Mitchell
Charles Mitchell

Listen to all this retarded revisionist drivel.
You are literally citing the fucking USSR's self-censoring and self-glorifying "studies" and rhetoric and passing it off as golden truth. Kulaks, while some engaged in the things you speak of, were by and large simply farmers who had managed to achieve some modicum of success in an otherwise terribly harsh set of conditions. There are vast records that absolutely link the Stalinist purges to the destruction of the farmer class, which directly lead to the famine. Fuck your shit-tier sympathetics and lies about "oh it was a natural famine" when that's not even remotely true. I suppose next you'll tell us that the Chinese famine wasn't Mao's fault but just another convenient coincidental famine that just happened to happen right after Mao's edicts were given out?
Caused by bad weather and civil war
No, caused by dumbshit communists who took their bread ideology to an evil extreme and began eliminating the farmers who were "oppressing" them.
You didn't even cared to do the fact checking or reading studies
Yeah okay, retard. Reading USSR propaganda about how "it totally wasn't our fault, we definitely didn't cause a famine by murdering or arresting all the farmers" isn't fucking """"fact checking"""". Also please cite these "studies" you are so keen to bring up yet haven't actually referenced directly yet.
based on stereotypes and poor jokes
No, based on documented historical evidence that Stalin's brainlet-tier ideas about justice against grain farmers directly lead to the food powerhouse of the nation falling into complete disrepair and famine.
White movement
Fuck you and your revisionism you absolute idiot. Did you get all your information from a communist website or something? The Whites were a reaction TO THE FUCKING BOLSHEVIKS who started the violence by overthrowing the government in the first place. How the hell can you sit there and spew this shit so unironically?

Carson Barnes
Carson Barnes

We gotta starve the poor
You haven't pointed out the connection between soviet rule and famine.
Especially the 1930s famine that also hit several other countries including Poland.
Starving people who disagrees
That's the best way to start the riots, dipshit, not to stop them. What kind of shit do you have for a brain substitute?

Carter Clark
Carter Clark

1 you're wrong, because ownership and use of firearms was legal in most of the socialist counties including Soviet Union
2 I haven't seen their tweets, so I can't argue here

Christian Phillips
Christian Phillips

tried to sell the national sovereignty
Yeah except that the Bolsheviks had overthrown the country and plunged it into civil war first. You're like the guy who assaults someone and then cries police brutality when you're getting smacked in the face and put in handcuffs. The Whites would never have existed if not for the Bolshevik Revolution, so they inherently cannot have been the ones to start the conflict.

Xavier Bennett
Xavier Bennett

The very idea of "long march" is disproven by multiple examples of people selling out for the sake of preservation of power.
Please provide some because it seems as though the long march was a real and effective given that members of the current state of academia and parts of the federal government. Saying there are multiple examples is just babbling for position. Members of the Weathermen Underground and other American leftist organizations currently have influence in American academia. This statement also does not disprove that Comey and Brennan, two men who were in charge of two of the most powerful agencies were unironic communists.

reactionary
financial capital
nothing against state terror directed against the unwanted groups of people
including the economic left
All those marks fit the Dimitrov's definition of fascism.
a soviet politician's definition of fascism is the best for defining a complex political stance that most people don't understand because it conveniently fits my worldview and ideological positions
why do you persecute me so?
This is why I am fine with state terrorism against you because you'd be more than happy to commit acts of terror or encourage the state to commit acts of terror against me. Leftists are nation wrecking shits that relies on word games and constantly changing definitions that fit your preamiters. You have just labeled a significant chunk of the American populist as fascists. It is this exact kind of behavior that leads to freikorps gunning reds down in the streets. Your own behavior creates the perceived enemies you have now. Start your revolution, please. We're waiting.

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Ian Brown
Ian Brown

The December decree of the CPC of 1918, "On the surrender of weapons", ordered people to surrender any firearms, swords, bayonets and bombs, regardless of the degree of serviceability. The penalty for not doing so was ten years' imprisonment.[2] Members of the Communist Party were allowed to have a single weapon

This is literally the first result on wikipedia. I'm spoonfeeding you.

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John Flores
John Flores

you're wrong, because ownership and use of firearms was legal in most of the socialist counties including Soviet Union
Is that why there were mass confiscation efforts to disarm the populace?

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Michael Edwards
Michael Edwards

Denying the existence of the famine was the Soviet state's position and reflected in both Soviet propaganda and the work of some Western journalists and intellectuals including George Bernard Shaw, Walter Duranty, and Louis Fischer.[109][111][112][113][114] In the Soviet Union, authorities all but banned discussion of the famine, and Ukrainian historian Stanislav Kulchytsky stated the Soviet government ordered him to falsify his findings and depict the famine as an unavoidable natural disaster, to absolve the Communist Party and uphold the legacy of Stalin.[115]

Tyler Evans
Tyler Evans

Listen to this mealy-mouthed apologist. You are directly contradicting the records that indicate Stalin's ideological purges in the late '20s and early '30s which directly lead to the famines and chaos of the time in Ukraine and the surrounding areas. Stalin's forces wantonly labeled all insurrectionists who didn't like the idea of the imposed communist state seizing their lands and claiming they were now "the people's" (despite the majority of food and money going to the Soviet war machine and not the actual people) as Kulaks.
You deserve to eat the end of a 30-06 or 8mm Mauser round like the countless revisionist marxists before you.

Nathaniel Bailey
Nathaniel Bailey

Revisionist
You call Zemskov, the leading researcher of Soviet penitentiary system, a revisionist?
At large were simply farmers
That's not true.
Modicum of success
Through giving out the loans peasants couldn't return.
Vast records
Most of which were written during Cold War when any objective study was impossible.
It was caused by dumbshits
Poland had no communists in power, they got their famine too.
All the sources I disagree with are propaganda
Whatever helps you sleep at night
Documented evidence
I haven't seen any.
Bolsheviks started the violence
Then why most of the members of provisional government and white movement leaders like Krasnov, were arrested and then released?
You're being brainwashed and for some reasons I'm the bad guy for saying truth.
Just eat a dick, over.

Andrew Myers
Andrew Myers

Provide some
Support of WWI by social democrats
The entire list of parties mentioned on the class cuck list above
Were unironic communists
Any evidence?
Acts of terror against me
Who the hell are you?

Jordan Butler
Jordan Butler

The Law of Spikelets or Law of Three Spikelets (Russian: Зaкoн o тpёх кoлocкaх) was a law in the Soviet Union to protect state property of kolkhozes (Soviet collective farms)—especially the grain they produced—from theft. Although the formal name of the law was longer, the common names Law of Spikelets or Law of Three Spikelets came into use because the law was used to prosecute both real thieves (such as corrupt officials) and also those who gleaned as little as a handful of grain or spikelets left behind in the fields after the entire harvest was officially collected and counted. It meant that during the Soviet famine of 1932–33, no one could take grain left in state farms without being qualified as a thief of state food in the government's view.

Daniel Hughes
Daniel Hughes

Stalin used starvation as a weapon in his war against the peasantry.[91] He analyses the actions of the Soviet authorities, two of commission and one of omission: (i) exporting 1.8 million tonnes of grain during the mass starvation (enough to feed more than five million people for one year), (ii) preventing migration from famine afflicted areas (which may have cost an estimated 150,000 lives) and (iii) making no effort to secure grain assistance from abroad (which caused an estimated 1.5 million excess deaths), as well as the attitude of the Stalinist regime in 1932–33 that many of those starving to death were "counter-revolutionaries", "idlers" or "thieves" who fully deserved their fate.

Caleb Cox
Caleb Cox

July 28, 1920 - the release of "On Hunting" decree that made firearms ownership possible.
That's a civil war era poster. Soviet Russia had no foreign arms dealers to supply them, so they had to carry on their own.
Maintaining public relations has nothing to do with causes of the famine.
Just show the fucking evidence, because all I see from you is the claims and assumptions

Lucas Smith
Lucas Smith

Genocide scholar Adam Jones stresses that many of the actions of the Soviet leadership during 1931–32 should be considered genocidal. Not only did the famine kill millions, it took place against "a backdrop of persecution, mass execution, and incarceration clearly aimed at undermining Ukrainians as a national group".[93] Norman Naimark, a historian at Stanford University who specialises in many fields of modern European history,[94] genocide and ethnic cleansing, argues that some of the actions of Stalin's regime, not only those during the Holodomor but also Dekulakization and targeted campaigns against particular ethnic groups (with over 110,000 shot)[citation needed][25] may be seen as genocidal.[95] In 2006, the Security Service of Ukraine declassified more than 5,000 pages of Holodomor archives.[96] These documents suggest that the Soviet regime singled out Ukraine by not giving it the same humanitarian aid given to regions outside it.[97]

Owen Harris
Owen Harris

Zemskov
While he contributed somewhat to our knowledge on the extent of the USSR's gulags, he was still a USSR pawn used to make dumbshits like you believe that it "totally wasn't all bad, guys"
Most of which were written during Cold War when any objective study was impossible.
The FUCKING IRONY of you saying this two lines after citing Zemskov is so thick you couldn't cut it with a chainsaw.
I also conveniently notice you can't cite anything other than "Oh Zemskov said it" while still not referencing any of his actual works.
Just show the fucking evidence, because all I see from you is the claims and assumptio
Okay boss, but you're going to make some bullshit excuse as to why this isn't "real" or "credible" and it'll be because you only believe Soviet propaganda.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivization_in_the_Soviet_Union#Crisis_of_1928
Sections: "Peasant Resistance" and "Results: Resistance to collectivization and consequences"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak
Sections: "Dekulakization" and "Human impact"

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Juan Jenkins
Juan Jenkins

The law was directed against people stealing from their workplace.
Also, February 1st, 1930 - statement of politburo on the Three Spikelets law, which fixed its flaws. By the January 16th 1936, 91 thousand people have received amnesty, and 30 thousand more recieved amnesty in the next few months.
Another war on peasantry statement without any attempt to prove the intention

Nathaniel Hughes
Nathaniel Hughes

Oh yeah, ancient fud smoothbore only durr rifles were made okay, great. Thanks comrade joe. Sure, you killed my dad for the crimw of owning a Mosin Nagant but this makes it all better now.
Oh, and later on...
Since the death of Joseph Stalin in 1953 the USSR saw a small wave of liberalisations for civilian gun ownership. Soviet civilians were allowed to purchase smoothbore hunting shotguns again, even without mandatory submission of hunting licenses. However, this lasted for not more than six years. The buyer again had to pre-register in the Soviet Society of Hunters since 1959.

Jordan Long
Jordan Long

I don't care about the names, where are the evidence

Asher Young
Asher Young

Grain supplies were sufficient to sustain everyone if properly distributed. People died mostly of terror-starvation (excess grain exports, seizure of edibles from the starving, state refusal to provide emergency relief, bans on outmigration, and forced deportation to food-deficit locales), not poor harvests and routine administrative bungling.[101]

Hunter Price
Hunter Price

William Henry Chamberlin was a Moscow correspondent of the Christian Science Monitor for 10 years; in 1934 he was reassigned to the Far East. After he left the Soviet Union he wrote his account of the situation in Ukraine and North Caucasus (Poltava, Bila Tserkva, and Kropotkin). Chamberlin later published a couple of books: Russia's Iron Age and The Ukraine: A Submerged Nation.[106][107] He wrote in the Christian Science Monitor in 1934 that "the evidence of a large-scale famine was so overwhelming, was so unanimously confirmed by the peasants that the most 'hard-boiled' local officials could say nothing in denial".[108]

Carson White
Carson White

Zemskov made most of his contributions after the fall of USSR. First works were published in 1990, when there was no ideological control
Okay boss
Not okay. Show the documents that say about anti-peasantry purpose of Soviet policies (not anti-kulak, since kulaks were exploiters of the laborers) or suck it down.
Whatever, guns were available for purchase and suitable for battle
Of course it's nowhere as free as the american variety of firearms

Carson Bennett
Carson Bennett

Alright, enough of copy paste war.

Robert Russell
Robert Russell

Yep, called it. You won't accept the evidence even after it's put in your face. Just like every other retard communist out there.
kulaks were the exploiters of the laborers
Show proof, retard
Zemskov made most of his contributions after the fall of USSR
Yes but he was still a USSR pawn the majority of his life and clearly still had pro-USSR sentiments when he released his materials. His research all came from USSR sources and he simply compiled and released them afterwards because some of it contained things that would have had him ideologically purged if he'd released it earlier.

Henry Ward
Henry Ward

Are you fucking retarded? Do you understand you're engaging in the exact same behavior Nazis do when they pretend they didn't have deathcamps?

Jaxson Roberts
Jaxson Roberts

You gave the links, not evidence.
Evidence looks like this
In the year 1932 Stalin said "we must secure the future of our rule, so we release the laws A, B and C to pursue the goal of suppressing the revolt"
As the good example of proper evidence of genocidal policy I can give you the Ost plan.
He was a USSR pawn
This might be slanderous, don't you think?
All came from USSR sources
What's wrong with USSR sources? Especially with the documents that were written for the inside use, so it would be possible to plan further policy and further steps.
Ideologically purged
Sounds spooky.

Jace Collins
Jace Collins

Mixing the murder of people on the basis of their race with deportations of people based on their actual economic behaviour and influence on the rural life

Kayden James
Kayden James

citation needed

Gabriel Sanders
Gabriel Sanders

deportation
g-guys, Germany didn't kill jews, they were just relocating them to Madagascar!

Levi Diaz
Levi Diaz

ackshually, the Soviet Imperium says that the Soviet Imperium didn't famine-genocide millions of Ukrainians

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Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis

Deportation to the village in the neighboring oblast is equal to the deportation to the death camps

Daniel Hall
Daniel Hall

They didn't. Famine was the result of bad weather and state did it's best to aid the people
Speaking of people, if there were millions of dead, where are the graves? The extinct villages?

Christian Reyes
Christian Reyes

Literally in this exact thread there is linked documentation where

the socialists made it illegal for Ukrainian farmers to farm
exported their grain everywhere else but Ukraine

It's literally in this thread and you're refusing to read it.

Owen Torres
Owen Torres

Mention of the famine was criminalized, punishable with a five-year term in the Gulag labor camps. Blaming the authorities was punishable by death.[6]
Hmmm... Really gets the noggin' joggin'.

Zachary Gonzalez
Zachary Gonzalez

Kill yourself fucking faggot.

Levi Ortiz
Levi Ortiz

make friends
Give us your property
fuck you faggot

Aaron Wilson
Aaron Wilson

socialism is big government retard

Evan Foster
Evan Foster

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Wyatt Cooper
Wyatt Cooper

in fact, centrist in any other place of the world.
And those same places have very strict gun laws. Why? Because they are more leftist.
Fucking end yourself bugman. Every Marxist regime had draconian gun laws.

Carter Reed
Carter Reed

Whatever, guns were available for purchase and suitable for battle
only hunting dubba barrel shotguns were available
still had to be a hunter
Holy fuck imagine defending draconian gun laws because the regime was Marxist. Fuck off tranny.

Adam Baker
Adam Baker

Jesus Christ this handwaving. How in the name of all that is good in the world are smoothbore single shot shot whose owners are registered with the government, is suitable for battle against the USSR? Please explain to me how this could take on weapons like the SKS and snipers with Mosin Nagants? How can you just say "whatever" and state that?

Kevin Morales
Kevin Morales

Communism Wins.
Capitalism Loses.

Simple as that.

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Hunter Perry
Hunter Perry

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Carson Long
Carson Long

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Nicholas Hall
Nicholas Hall

HK is colonized by china and China hasn't been communist since the Deng reforms. You're disproving your own argument.

Jace King
Jace King

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Liam Gonzalez
Liam Gonzalez

That's Shanghai, my capitalist pigdog friend.

Even Tier-2 chinese provincial capitals are like this already.

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Cameron Rogers
Cameron Rogers

Communism and their crumbling ro-

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Lincoln Gray
Lincoln Gray

Communism turns people into sla-

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Ryan Collins
Ryan Collins

Communists cant innova-

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Adam Cooper
Adam Cooper

Noone would ever flee into a Communist count-

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Gavin Robinson
Gavin Robinson

Okay but dude....china literally has not been communist for decades....its been years dude. I don't know what to tell you. You've not been listening to or reading anything people have posted in the thread and now you're spamming stuff that's been happening since after their mixed economy transition.
Regardless this is not on topic for the thread.

Owen Allen
Owen Allen

the socialists made it illegal for Ukrainian farmers to farm
Collective farms were in the workers' property
exported their grain everywhere else but Ukraine
That's straight bullshit.
very strict gun laws
Not necessarily.
1.load
2.take aim
3.fire
4.reload
5.recover the gun from the dead.
Some time after active resistance, you may recieve humanitarian aid from CIA or any other western intelligence service.

James Smith
James Smith

Not necessarily.
Yes. Find me a single leftist nation with lax gun laws. Marxist regimes all had draconian gun laws for a reason, you need a monopoly on power to maintain your failed ideology.
Go back to leftypol tranny.

Jose Reyes
Jose Reyes

How the hell are documented orders available to view by anyone with google or this very thread, bullshit?

Camden Kelly
Camden Kelly

colony built up by British capitalists, then taken, vs an industrial town ground into the dirt by socialist policies
How about some much more closely comparable examples?

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Wyatt Ortiz
Wyatt Ortiz

Yes, you can kill the point solder in the stack like that, then get prepared to be ventilated by the rest of the stack. It's an army. How can you be on Jow Forums and not understand this?

Carter Torres
Carter Torres

I thought commies said the CIA was secretly responsible for all of communism's faceplanting?

Leo Brooks
Leo Brooks

Taiwan is sovereign, and will remain sovereign.

Xavier Torres
Xavier Torres

I M P L E S S I V E

Jace Reed
Jace Reed

lax gun laws.
With what?
ll had draconian gun laws for a reason,
For a reason of being under constant threat.
ou need a monopoly on power to maintain your failed ideology.
No, I'm not market liberal.
documented orders
Which orders?
Show me the "no bread shipment to Ukraine" order or get the number so I could search it on my own.
get prepared to be ventilated by the rest of the stack
Attack lone soldiers.
.It's an army
If you're smart, you can cooperate with other unsatisfied people and go innawoods. Like baltic nationalists did.
Excuse me, I thought that you're talking from the perspective of anti-soviet resistance member. In other case aid will be dropped by KGB or similar services.

Ayden Rogers
Ayden Rogers

OP back again and IM here to say this is a false narritive that tankies push out if the real truth is much more complicated and has its roots in the Ukrainians not wanting there farms collectivized by a foreign power so rather than being exploited by The USSR they burned there crops and starved their own cadelle rather than letting it fall to soviet hands so the soviets called their bluff and took everything and killed the land owners for this anti soviet tactic, in the end both the kulags and the soviets were at fault here, its much more grey than lefty and righty propaganda

Landon Nguyen
Landon Nguyen

can't speak against the state
can't produce or partake in whatever fictional work they want
can't own firearms
state actively spies on everyone to look for dissidents and thought criminals
"social credit"
state takes ownership of certain industries and will outright take your product by force if you try to compete
media and social media is fully ran and controlled by the state, content disliked by the state is blocked or secretly hidden away
Sounds like one billion slaves to me.

Austin Gomez
Austin Gomez

For a reason of being under constant threat.
Except Hitler massively loosened gun laws. Hell the US had a lot of commie agitators during the cold war, so why didn't pass laws as restrictive has Marxist nations?
You cannot abolish private enterprise and property without a monopoly on force.

Isaac Sullivan
Isaac Sullivan

Man, look at what socialism has done to Los Angeles.

Josiah Cooper
Josiah Cooper

bumpu

Caleb Lewis
Caleb Lewis

china
Very capitalist. It has the most billionaires of any nation now dumbfuck.

Easton Bell
Easton Bell

Except Hitler massively loosened gun laws
for white germans

Xavier Perry
Xavier Perry

Who were the vast majority of Germans. Meanwhile did any Marxist regime do the same?
Pro-gun rights is a negative liberty which is firmly on the right wing.

Lucas Reyes
Lucas Reyes

Except Hitler massively loosened gun laws.
What does it has to do with inner threat?
hy didn't pass laws as restrictive has Marxist nations
Because by the 1950s soviets took the coexistence course.
That hasn't stopped american state from implementing COINTELPRO to ruin people's lives and kill them.
You cannot abolish private enterprise and property without a monopoly on force.
You can't preserve them without monopoly on force as well.

Daniel Peterson
Daniel Peterson

What does it has to do with inner threat?
The fact that there were underground commie sympathizers in Nazi Germany? Or agitators in the US as well during the cold war.
So why didn't they have draconian laws?
1950s
Confirmed retard. Lenin imposed the extremely restrictive laws that were previously liberal under the Tsar.

Eli Walker
Eli Walker

So your solution to needing to rebel against an oppressive state is to hope that a foreign state swoops in and meddles in it all for their own gain, and at your expense?

What's the next step, roll out the carpet for the puppet leader they will install? Why the fuck would you ever want the CIA or KGB to get involved in your country's politics?

Except Hitler massively loosened gun laws
Unless your nose looked wrong, then they'd murder you if you even thought about a gun.

Don't get me wrong, the Weimar Republic was AWFUL, but easing the bullshit isn't the same as taking it away, and certainly not when arbitrarily applying it harder for some.

Matthew King
Matthew King

You can't preserve them without monopoly on force as well.
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Asher Adams
Asher Adams

Unless your nose looked wrong, then they'd murder you if you even thought about a gun.
Objectively regular Germans enjoyed more freedom than under any Marxist regime.

Logan Roberts
Logan Roberts

The fact that there were underground commie sympathizers in Nazi Germany
Anti-communist powers were overwhelmingly strong.
Or agitators in the US as well during the cold war
Same thing. Also, they purged all pro-soviet people from the media.
Confirmed retard. Lenin imposed the extremely restrictive laws that were previously liberal under the Tsar.
The question was "Why didn't they passed similar laws".
Also, under tsar they began issuing gun licenses in 1906. And even before there was no need for gun control, since most of the people couldn't afford guns.
So your solution to needing to rebel against an oppressive state is to hope that a foreign state swoops in and meddles in it all for their own gain, and at your expense?
If you have no business to purchase firearms, train people and smuggle stuff through the border, then yes, the only solution is to sell your ass to the foreign intelligence.
Why the fuck would you ever want the CIA or KGB to get involved in your country's politics?
Because you're not getting any aid from other sources.
I may find studies on chechen terrorist fundings somewhere in my books. Major share of money came from american funds and chechen mafia.
The state was created to protect the means of production for the sake of exploitative class, no? As in "State and Revolution".

Jose Walker
Jose Walker

I'm not arguing that at all, I'm no commie, but "at least it's better than Weimar Germany" I think isn't a good *enough* qualifier, and freedoms were arbitrarily refused to a lot of people.

Brazil is a better place to live than Cuba, but does that mean you would really like to live in Brazil because of that?

Hunter Morgan
Hunter Morgan

Anti-communist powers were overwhelmingly strong
Holy fuck the amount of mental gymnastics you have to go through to justify draconian laws is laughable.
No Marxist regime has ever had lax laws. Tell me, if most of the Cubans supported Castro or whatever, why didn't he grant gun rights to the citizenry? I'm seeing a common pattern here, because even under the most authoritarian right wing government, you could easily own a gun.

Is that why in nations like Switzerland, all the support for gun rights comes from right wing parties while the leftist ones are in opposition? Could it be that a RKBA is an individual right that falls squarely under negative liberties, thus under the right wing?

Also, under tsar they began issuing gun licenses in 1906. And even before there was no need for gun control, since most of the people couldn't afford guns.

You didn't need to have a license to own any long gun, only pistols.

Jordan Allen
Jordan Allen

gular Germans enjoyed more freedom
You can't express your thoughts on poiltics
you can't express love to the people who are viewed as undesirable
you are not allowed to question your boss and demand salary increase
Not really.

Zachary Gomez
Zachary Gomez

If I had to choose one of two, yes. I'd live in Somalia over North Korea in a heartbeat as well.

Brandon Butler
Brandon Butler

Yet you still could own guns, one of the most important liberty there is. Thus making it freer than any Marxist nation.

Daniel Watson
Daniel Watson

Yeah, *if you had to choose*.
If some starts fixing North Korea, great, but it's gonna take a LOT of fixing for me to want to live there.

People shouldn't settle for "at least it's not the shittiest imaginable" or "it used to be worse" is my point.

Blake Lopez
Blake Lopez

justify draconian laws
I'm not justifying them. I'm explaining the motivation.
Justifying them would go like this: "I think that strict gun laws are good, because they do x, y and z and that's good"
And I said that soviet rulers couldn't afford taking chances.
No Marxist regime has ever had lax laws
Because none of marxist regimes was installed peacefully. They conquered their right to rule and they had to hold on tight for it. Just as any coup-engaging power would.
f most of the Cubans supported Castro or whatever, why didn't he grant gun rights to the citizenry?
Because after victory Cubans had decades of troubles with foreign agents.
Is that why in nations like Switzerland, all the support for gun rights comes from right wing parties while the leftist ones are in opposition?
Because leftists in the countries like Switzerland are class cucks. They promote welfare state, or rather, nanny state. The state exists only in a class society. They have to promote the abolition of classes and state, if they claim themselves as left.
Yet you still could own guns, one of the most important liberty there is.
No. The most important liberty is to be able to protect your own interests. If you have a gun, but can't protect yourself from your Betriebsführer, what's the point in having a gun?

Ethan Jones
Ethan Jones

No Marxist regime has ever had lax laws
Because most of them were copying soviet model as the most successful by the period of their establishment without any attempt at criticising it

Chase Sanders
Chase Sanders

Sweet fuck. Was I this much of a lunatic when I was a socialist? I'm glad I left that behind.

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Ayden Lewis
Ayden Lewis

The most authoritarian right wing regimes had more liberal gun laws than the leftist ones. That is a fact, even in Marxist nations where the regime is very popular.
class cucks
They are a demsoc party, not a socdem. Nice try. In the EU virtually every demsoc and M-L party is anti-gun.

Jackson Edwards
Jackson Edwards

It's a powerful poison, it'll make you believe in things like central planning, and seizing the means of production.

John Wilson
John Wilson

No. The most important liberty is to be able to protect your own interests. If you have a gun, but can't protect yourself from your Betriebsführer, what's the point in having a gun?
owning guns in of itself is a freedom. learn what negative liberty is, retard. "positive liberty" is a capacity.

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