Would you play war thunder if they actually gave a shit about accuracy and...

Chase Reed
Chase Reed

Would you play war thunder if they actually gave a shit about accuracy and realism? Maybe even change the gamemodes so that instead of PvP its more like their operations campaign about taking territories?

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Hunter Bailey
Hunter Bailey

No because its a fucking grindfest

Brayden Roberts
Brayden Roberts

I'd still be playing it today if they didn't abandon WWII air battles for post-war tanks.
The game is an absolute joke now in my opinion.
It's cool to see some WWII planes being added, but ultimately it's worthless now.

Not to mention the horrible update to the Dagor engine.
Went from beautifully vivid appearance to washed out colors, waxy looking vehicle models, overly bright whites, shitty clouds, and higher GPU demand.

Benjamin Brown
Benjamin Brown

This. I'd rather just buy the game and have a reasonable progression tree than get the thing for free but spend forever grinding to anything cool.

Gabriel Howard
Gabriel Howard

I recently deleted the whole thing. Too much grind. Got better things to do with my life.

Jace Cooper
Jace Cooper

I did the same after trying it for about a month, and I don't even have anything better to do with my life.

Kayden Edwards
Kayden Edwards

Yes because in that case USSR would be a muuuuuuch better faction. But instead these retards keep buffing G*rmany and Muttland with nonexistant nonhistorical mods and they keep giving Soviet tanks training ammo.

Grayson Carter
Grayson Carter

nobody wants an accurate + realistic flight sim integrated into a combat game because even disregarding things like V speeds and weight/balance envelopes, that shit is difficult and mapping elevators, rudders, flight stick, flaps, trim tabs, etc to a keyboard is ridiculous. Nobody wants to play a game where taking a turn requires three different inputs and taking it too hard results in your wings shearing off.

Asher Parker
Asher Parker

I would play a lot of games if they were more focused on realism. I would get back into Payday 2 if they added leaning, ballistics and made the AI actually coordinate with each other. I would get back into Wildlands if preparation meant anything and the enemies were equipped like a cartel, rather than minigun trucks and unusual rifles everywhere while the realistic choices (FALs, Sterlings, M16s) are rare one-off finds the AI never carry.

Austin Martin
Austin Martin

Alright boys what’s your favorite tank in your lineup right now and what new tank are you grinding towards?

Running with the brits right now in the 4.7-5.7 BR range with my fav is surprisingly the Cromwell w/57mm gun over my Sherman Firefly. It’s so damn fast and the 57 can most shit it comes across. Grinding towards the Comet for dat sweet APDS round currently.

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Ethan King
Ethan King

USSR would be a muuuuuuch better faction
Isn't War Thunder famous for buffing Russian tanks and planes well beyond the confines of reality? I don't really play the game, but that seems to be the consensus of a lot of the memes I see made about it.

Ryder Campbell
Ryder Campbell

Whem did that happen? When I quit a few years back it was the exact opposite.

Samuel Carter
Samuel Carter

I played for about three years and then stopped two years ago. I'm aware of how much things have changed and expanded, but I think the entire thing is forever ruined for me due to how shitty the experience became. Gaijin was getting way too greedy and I was getting tired of the balance issues, inconsistency with repair costs, and the entire BR system that actively let certain nations/vehicles shit all over their competitors. If any of that still exists then I can only imagine that things have gotten worse with the addition of post-WW2 vehicles.

Oliver Campbell
Oliver Campbell

Gaijin was getting way too greedy
I swear there were patches where almost all of the new vehicles were premiums... Fucking disgusting.

Asher Morgan
Asher Morgan

I have fifty five hundred fucking hours in this game, and the answer is no. No. I unsinstalled earlier this year after I saw the content additions and finally pulled the plug on the little hope I had left. The last half dozen or so updates have been the same shit
Small handful of aircraft and tanks
Half of which are premium
A quarter are power creep high tier grind bait
A quarter are just random shit spread THINLY between every other nation and tree.
Jap boats are a fucking joke. Boats are a joke. Delegating ANY fucking resources to boats was a waste of time. FUCK warthunder.

Jackson Bell
Jackson Bell

are you retarded? the russians have the best tanks in the game. they aren't even giving the abrams its DU inserts yet so it gets instakilled by everything.

Ayden Gray
Ayden Gray

I played it off and on for the last two years. In my experience this meme comes from the fact that the Soviets are really good in the early tiers in both air and ground.
In the air they have the best biplane and the first monoplane tier, for turn fighting, which is all anyone knows how to do at those tiers.
On the ground you get the early model t-34 very quickly, and it dominates over everything at its tier.

But in both tech trees, the soviets quickly fall behind. Soviet aircraft are garbage after the first few battle ratings, and the t-34 has a terrible gun and pretty weak armor that doesnt improve much at all untill mid to late war tanks like the T-34-85, which still has the same hull armor and only an improved turret and gun. meanwhile the germans and americans and japs have shit you cant penetrate and awesome accurate railguns while you still have the small gun t-34 with minor improvements (theres like 4 levels of t-34 with the same shit gun, while everyone else is improving)

Oliver Jackson
Oliver Jackson

DCS is for realism. War thunder is for mindlessly flailing about for an hour or two.

Eli Hill
Eli Hill

Early on into the ground forces they had T-34s with like double the amount of armor and they only changed it after multiple people posted it on forums. Other tanks were hindered in the dumbest ways, one which comes to mind was the Tiger H1 originally having a driving/marker light sticking up on the right corner of the hull and gun had to elevate to traverse over it (this was fixed but the simple fact they originally put it in hints to the fuckery they were trying.) There were other little things that kept adding up to be big hindrances.

Many Soviet planes had "in development" flight models which allowed them to be UFOs.
It seemed like everything Soviet was immediately better in most cases because it didn't have distinct drawbacks like other nations and the things where the Soviets really did struggle are not modeled in the game.

It really felt like it wasn't worth it to be flying anything other than USSR or UK and not worth it to be driving anything that wasn't USSR.

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Ethan Lopez
Ethan Lopez

Actually fuck it no it wasn't just the shit updates, it was their shit fucking launcher and dev server updating without fucking asking every other day while I was in the middle of playing good games. It was the absolute dog shit moderation teams that kill any player interaction. It was every attempt they make over the years to move away from a "simulator" game and in to a pure arcade game. It was them losing sight in caring about their fucking product, either through lies and deceit from their close moderation staff, or through pure incompetence and greed. It was the fact that I spent seven years playing a game and seeing it a shell of it's former self with each update forcing them to sell it as THIS IS THE NEXT NEW BIG THING because they fucking KNOW the game is going to be dead in a year or two and they want that last little bit of pocket change secured for whatever project they nuke next.

Gabriel Morris
Gabriel Morris

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Brandon Barnes
Brandon Barnes

Meh. I like the grind and it is so fun to see the progression in planes and tactics. I find fun in biplanes and jets. 4.0-5.0 planes are fun as fuck.

Xavier Walker
Xavier Walker

There's a difference in grinding to simulate technological advancements & new modifications and having to grind for the ability to carry repairs or put out a fire. It got to the point where I was surprised Gaijin wasn't making players unlock and pay for fuel.

Parker Nelson
Parker Nelson

In both tech trees soviets fall behind
fall behind
Aircraft:
Yak3p
Yak9t
Yak9u
Yak9ut
Yak3Vk107
I-185M82
I-185M71
I-225
La5fn
La7
La7b20
La9
Yak-23
Mig15bis/Mig17/Mig19 (only truly outclassed by the t-2 otherwise absolute shit stompers)
Ground forces I have played far less of but the t-44s are both excellent tanks. Russia high tier heavies have been absolute bullshit for nearly 4 years now. The only thing that makes Russia feel it's ass is America's heavy line at 6.7 and the high tier power creep that makes all nations suffer.
Nigga you have not been paying attention to russia at fuckin all

Caleb Williams
Caleb Williams

The game has gotten worse but if you are somebody like me with level 100 and rank 7 and 6 for every country you can’t just quit. It’s an addiction and somehow for some reason I grind out the top tier vehicles but don’t play them that much.

Nathan Rodriguez
Nathan Rodriguez

t.G*rman leo2a4 whale
It's 2014 tier whale cope because they're getting stomped on low levels by APHE but Germans and Americans buy so much packs gaijin is pretty much forced to make them viable

James Perez
James Perez

The Soviets have a huge weakness from around 1941 to 1944-45. Reaching the t-44 takes endless hours of suffering in outclassed t-34s. It gets a little better at the t-34-85 but that tank still has shitty hull armor and everyone else at that tier is thicker.

I distinctly remember that getting out of that original open cockpit monoplane, all the low tier laggs and migs are garbage slow and cant turn for shit. you end up fighting P-47s, BF109s and Spitfires in total garbage boxes.
It doesnt really matter if later tiers can compete, because the planes i just listed have much larger ranges of competition and matchmaking, and dont require as much grind.
Anyway i deleted it and im never playing again.

Owen Green
Owen Green

I said making the planes realistic, maybe even the progression by taking out the shitty prototype and captured planes and only having main mass produced planes. I think that the mouse aiming controls are fucking great and more sims should have them.

Ethan James
Ethan James

Yeah but DCS costs a ton, is less usable without a joystick, and i do like, as badly implemented as it is, the progression from pre-war, through early, through late, through post war jets. I only wish that instead of BR balancing the matches were made by accuracy of the year.

Asher Cook
Asher Cook

I think one of the main issues i could say with the game is that after i unlocked the first 2 american jets, the P80A and the F80C, after getting a kill in RB, which is hard considering its pretty much a shit plane compared to its BR, i still lost money if i had to repair it. Not by much, but getting a single kill wasn't easy with that plane in RB and i needed to do more just to not lose money. Goes to show how much gaijin cares about balance.

Hudson Thompson
Hudson Thompson

I started playing air sim mode recently, it's much better than air RB which is mostly awful, many planes that are underwhelming in RB are great fun in sim mode. Anyone else here play air sim mode?

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Aaron Moore
Aaron Moore

Not that user but I had the opposite experience. I felt like I had to work for every kill I got in a German or American plane. Much of the time it was just completely countered by a Yak, La, or Spitfire being thousands of feet above me even after I spent like 10 minutes climbing on the side of the map at the start. While it wasn't just the Soviets with bullshit planes, I will say that I could hop into something like the Yak-1 or 3 variants and rack up multiple kills despite having only 200mg and 150 cannon rounds of ammo total. Soviet planes were incredibly forgiving and allowed even a fairly crap player like myself to do good.

It felt similar with Soviets tanks but I only got through the first couple of T-34s there and at the time most tanks from the USSR, Germany,and USA felt pretty evenly matched with the T-34, Pz IV, and M4, respectively. Highest I got on the tech trees were the Tiger and Panther for Germany....I was getting brutalized nearly every game by tanks designed specifically to counter mine. It was by that point, and when there were no longer tank specific battles, I left.

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John Morales
John Morales

I did until i got my ass whooped to me by people with a joystick. After that i was just losing SL and not having fun.

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Carter Allen
Carter Allen

Its a grindfest designed to get you to pay exorbitant amounts of money for a game that hasn't had decent quality of life improvements in years. I wouldn't touch the damn thing, besides, if I want realism I'll play DCS or IL-2.

Dominic Rodriguez
Dominic Rodriguez

Sounds like you were playing RB for air, which i never did.
I did play RB exclusively for tanks. What happens is the T-34 is great in the 1940 model, because it eats PzIII and early model PzIV, and it can frontally pen the M4A1. But the 1941 model starts seeing PzIV with the larger gun, and the M4A2. The T-34 can pen the PzIV F, but it usually takes multiple shots to kill due to the small shell. It cannot pen the M4A2 frontally. Both of those tanks can pen the t-34 and have a bigger gun, with better ballistics.
The t-34 goes through 3 or 4 models with that same low velocity gun that has terrible ballistics making it impossible to shoot long distance, meanwhile the PzIV F has a laser cannon and the M4A2 and up can almost ignore the t-34 unless it gets behind them.

This isnt even touching on nonsense like the chi-nu or Puma.

but whatever, never playing again so i should get over it.

Jeremiah Taylor
Jeremiah Taylor

Yes, it was RB for air I usually played. I had a joystick but stupidly tried to use it for Arcade and RB, and did so for a long time before switching to the mouse controls. Only tried air sim a few times.
I was enjoying tank sim battles until they forced aircraft into it. After that there was no reason to not just play RB so I could at least use the planes. The same gun on multiple T-34s was kind of crappy after a few variants but I don't remember too many specific problems so long as I avoided engaging higher level tanks frontally.

Watched some videos of the recent tests and patches just because they were coming up in my YouTube feed. It looks fucking disgusting with helicopters now. People being able to play an entire game of "tanks" without ever using a ground vehicle and still place first.

William Reed
William Reed

Its a grindfest designed to get you to pay exorbitant amounts of money for a game that hasn't had decent quality of life improvements in years.
In their defense it's logical to try and grab as much cash as they can before catch up to current vehicles, they only get to do it once then they have to work on other things which people won't hurl money at like they do for new vehicles. It's still very annoying though.

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Jeremiah Rodriguez
Jeremiah Rodriguez

I wanted to bitch about repairs, jewery, memes like americans vs germans in 20km sized maps and the inherent weaknesses that presents, FOTM memes like F8F/LA9 back when I played, but frankly it's a f2p game and I just ain't got the drive to put up with that shit anymore

"lmao play as a hampered inferior seal to be clubbed to unlock the ability to put out a fire" nah nigger, miss me with that shit, miss me with the entire god awful f2p model.

Isaac Sanchez
Isaac Sanchez

Do you think 20km is too small or too big compared to historical accuracy?

Grayson Lopez
Grayson Lopez

Best strat for the Comet is to play like a bitch because everyone that looks at you will fuck you up. Also you have 20 smokebombs which is nice.

Adrian Price
Adrian Price

I don't know. At-alt starts are already a thing, but it's just a sort of game that will ever be sufficiently fun and fair--any of those historical game modes like Stalingrad or whatever where it's Lagg-3's and I-16s getting to face 109 F4/G-2's show that historical accuracy goes out the window when you get stuck in the people's interwar fighter that wasn't meant to face the other side's cutting edge best. Turn's out losing isn't fun.

US teams full of retards who lawnmow or play B-17s cuz that's what america did inna warrr hurr
that one event where you start at-alt escorting bombers rolls around
the humble BR 3.7 P-47s and BR 5.0 51's get to absolutely fucking manhandle kurfursts, D-series FW, Me-262s and Me-410s

I think I'd much rather play IL-2 instead, at least that would solve the 'gotta go to space' mindset anyway. WT being a F2P game just means I have to suffer a thousand annoyances to demolish my fun. That and to be frank I have no idea how to play tanks. Everyone hill-humps and corner camps and takes aimed precise shots at this one pixel where your 500mm of armor is reduced to 10mm because of course it is that's just some plexiglass the driver looks out of! But more seriously, I never bothered to learn.

tl;dr blog.

Eli Wood
Eli Wood

outclassed t-34s
mfw
Nigga the T-34 rapes in its early variants and stays highly competitive all the way through. Hell, the T-34/85 is damn agile and fast you can flank hella easy and 1 shot everything from the side with APHE rounds. Try fighting T-34s with a 75 Sherman or panzer 4...generally doesn’t end well

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Angel Baker
Angel Baker

Idk i play 4h a day for a year since my comeback and it seems ok to me i get 4k/d per matches and since new economy changes game seems resonable when it comes to grind

Ethan Rogers
Ethan Rogers

Comet is a fun tank but no reverse speed. Keep moving forward.
Stabilized guns on the 6.7 Brits are nice but you will be wishing for a round with HE filler sometimes.
Skip the Tortise. Wasted a weekend upgrading it because OCD.
Beer_Gut_Boomer is game handle also.
I think I hate French auotloaders more than IS Soviet heavies.

Gavin Ross
Gavin Ross

T-34/85
oh boy those fuckers

Maybe they fix it but it doesn't really make a difference. They fuck it up when the game got popular.

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Kayden Gutierrez
Kayden Gutierrez

F22 Lightning III and the original Sturmovik want a word with you.
In the back alley

Jaxson Price
Jaxson Price

he doesn't play below 3.3 BR

Enjoy unbalanced shit fag

Landon Howard
Landon Howard

what is a flight stick

Also people like you clearly have no interest in flying in the first place so why would you even bother trying to play anything close to a flight sim, only to bitch about the basic fundamentals of realistic flight?

Austin Long
Austin Long

I would consider playing again if they give bombers their own PvE game type you can actually grind in and removed them from most PvP air battles.

Cameron Sullivan
Cameron Sullivan

Alright boys what’s your favorite tank in your lineup right now and what new tank are you grinding towards?

AMX-13 because it's cute. The real slayer is the M4A4 (SA50) in the 4.7 lineup with the M4A1 (FL10), and AMX-13 (FL11) though.

I'm not grinding anything because I ground out everything for France. I'm waiting for the Leclerc now.

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Jonathan Wilson
Jonathan Wilson

I loved using the zis 30 and zipping around the map and hiding in spots bigger tanks can't hide in and taking potshots at people at higher tiers

Grayson Foster
Grayson Foster

The comet is a fucking beast when you get APDS, just like cromwell
Right now I'm running mainly cent mk 1 and comet to grind my brits up to the cheiftain.

I have germans unlocked up to br 10.0 but fuck top tier, it sucks in every way imaginable.

Luke Cooper
Luke Cooper

Maybe even change the gamemodes so that instead of PvP its more like their operations campaign about taking territories?

Warthunder literally has a game mod like that you stupid cunt.

Zachary Stewart
Zachary Stewart

world war mode
literally the biggest joke of a mode gaijew has ever come up with

I'd rather have a mode that actually combines air and ground forces properly, instead of the planes tacked onto ground forces as they are currently. CAS in ground forces is just pure cancer and always has been.

Ryder Clark
Ryder Clark

Too much of a time sink, I'm getting old, need to be making money in the real world, and not shouting at Zoomers though my headset.

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Nathan Lewis
Nathan Lewis

I was surprised Gaijin wasn't making players unlock and pay for fuel.
You know I was about to make a joke about players paying for fucking ammo, and then I realized that players DO pay for ammo, its just a nearly-hidden cost because its auto-replenished at the end of each match.
Also, played a 5.0 match last night.
5 kills
2 assists
2 deaths
18,000SL reward
13,000SL repair/rearm
Its unnatural now much the repair costs for the tiers go up - once you get past 5.0 it's nearly impossible to make money without premium. Its insanity.

Easton Garcia
Easton Garcia

It’s almost like they want you to pay them irl money for premium

Gabriel Fisher
Gabriel Fisher

Pretty much this unless you just want to play the low tiers which is respectable. If you actually want to play the game and grind you have to look out for that 50 percent off sale where you can get premium for around 40(?) dollars for the year.

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Dylan Kelly
Dylan Kelly

Even if you're willing to pay money for premium so you can grind to top tier I'd say it's not worth it.
The gameplay at top tier is utter trash, it hasn't been at all balanced for over a year, CAS is worse than ever at that br range, repair costs are through the roof and all of the maps/objectives were clearly not designed to accommodate modern vehicles.

The absolute max br that's worth playing is around 8.7, even then I'd say up to 5.7-6.7 is all that's really any good.

Luke Bailey
Luke Bailey

ATGMs are what absolutely ruined the game for me. I'll never even bother getting above 7.0 for that specific reason.
Launch ATGM
Keep mouse on target from behind cover
Get kill, maneuver to new overlook position
Rinse. Repeat.
Wow. Such gameplay. Many difficult.
You got me there.

Chase King
Chase King

ATGMs aren't so prevalent now at ~8.7.
At top tier though you have helis which fire ATGMs, and those are pure cheese
Fly 3km up in the air
Launch ATGM
Keep mouse on target who can't even shoot you back, literally just sit there and don't even move
Rinse and repeat until someone gets enough spawn points to bring a plane out

Hopefully the new SAMs will sort that garbage out, but chances are they'll just bring more imbalance. Gaijin are totally incapable of balancing top tier.

Jason Stewart
Jason Stewart

Same mate. 2000 hours later and my life was crumbling.

Logan Reed
Logan Reed

Something like this. The real tragedy is that british bombers are great fun until you get to the lancaster. The lancaster was a great night bomber, but every single match is in the day so you just gey screwed 6 ways to sunday.

Anthony Kelly
Anthony Kelly

Well that's how ATGMs work.

You ever see footage from Syria?

Attackers get absolutely raped by ATGM spam, because the sand niggers don't do proper reconnaissance before an attack.

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Henry Torres
Henry Torres

literally the worst grind in any game ever
yeah nah wouldn't play it no matter what OP

Brody Allen
Brody Allen

This. It seems decent and fun but fuck spending 400 hours just to get some decent shit. I've got a life.

Luis Stewart
Luis Stewart

The big problem with War Thunder ground forces is that it has the same issue that World of Tanks does, but amplified. In both, the game rewards you for being a passive player, sitting back and just taking long range shots. Except in War Thunder, you spend 5 minutes driving to the battlefield on some maps

Kevin Cruz
Kevin Cruz

I actually wouldn't mind War Thunder if getting anything halfway fun didn't require exactly two and a half million years of grinding.

Easton Sanchez
Easton Sanchez

The t-34 goes through 3 or 4 models with that same low velocity gun that has terrible ballistics making it impossible to shoot long distance, meanwhile the PzIV F has a laser cannon and the M4A2 and up can almost ignore the t-34 unless it gets behind them.
That's when you get access to the KV-1 and it's retarded armor that can only be penned through the turret ring. Also don't forget the soviet stalinium fuel tank armor that absorbs any shell at any range and doesn't even cause a fire half the time from filler shells because "lel dey had duh diesel tanks" while every other country's tanks catch fire from indirect hits from solid shells.

James Flores
James Flores

the flight models and balance of the nations was fucking fine 3 to 4 years ago.
I quit because theres more OP inaccurate bullshit with every patch and a wide nerf of an entire nations air tech tree.
I couldnt take the back and forth re learning the game every patch.

it's sad because it's a fun fucking game realistic air battles is a good stop gap when I dont want something as realistic and drawn out as DCS, but the company controlling the game or rather the balancing team just does not know what the fuck they are doing so i quit a few weeks ago after getting back on after 2 years.

William Ramirez
William Ramirez

See jowforums.com/thread/41556279/weapons

Landon Parker
Landon Parker

I play it regardless

Owen Morgan
Owen Morgan

yup I remember a time when WT was pretty

Sebastian Scott
Sebastian Scott

very funny
the game is still shit

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Nathaniel Hall
Nathaniel Hall

the t34-85 can still bounce retarded shots

David Wilson
David Wilson

If they actually made dedicated fucking servers for fucking console users and just made crossplay between PlayStation and Xbox users and separate console players and pc players then i would give that piece of shit game a try again but fuck gaijin and their cheapskate bullshit worse than armored warfare

Brayden Stewart
Brayden Stewart

You obviously did not spend nearly enough time learning how to use the advantages given to you by your aircraft and tanks. The T-34s may have "weak"er armor on paper but in practice they will bounce most shells when angling properly, their guns are strong as fuck against anything but the m4a3e2 (the most undertiered tank in game) and the aircraft you listed only the first laggs are "bad". Your experiences are valid, however your opinion is not solely based off of how obvious it is you did not dedicate the time needed to learning your vehicle.

Elijah Torres
Elijah Torres

Well you either go full fucking realistic milsim where you have the option to have literally any counters to these systems based on what you've researched and what vehicle you're using, or you realize that youre playing a fucking video game and there has to be some balance.
As-is I cannot fucking understand why my Tiger II (H) is going up against fucking goddamn BMPs, T-54s, Conquerors, STB-1s, Type 60s, and AMX30s.
It's completely bonkers and nonsensical as fuck. Theres no fucking reason for it, and theres no counter to it other than simply sitting at spawn and hoping your team wins. But, oh wait, ATGMs can just shoot into your spawns because in many fucking maps made for >7.0 the spawns are so horribly laid out you have a clear point of view of everyone as soon as they spawn in.
Its retarded, and there is no fucking reason for it whatsoever other than Gaijin wanting to sell people on cool new murder machines that get downtiered constantly because theyve ALSO fucked up the matchmaking.

Carson Garcia
Carson Garcia

Fuck off casual. I like the console players on pc servers, it makes for easy lions

Adrian Sanchez
Adrian Sanchez

I'm playing rn lmao

Jeremiah Murphy
Jeremiah Murphy

I'd play if it was less of a grindfest, it took me 700 hours but now I want nothing to do with it

Connor Collins
Connor Collins

I stopped playing about 200hrs in because it was such a fucking grind. I only wanted to play with the cold war era vehicles, not shit from WW2. I like their armor system even though it's wonky, no other game has anything like it.

Jace Scott
Jace Scott

arcade or realistic?

Alexander Richardson
Alexander Richardson

and all of the maps/objectives were clearly not designed to accommodate modern vehicles.
This. I didn't knew much about it because they had a korea an afghanistan and a vietnam map but it did seem so damn odd to me that it takes seconds of straight flying to meet your enemy airbase. I thought as you go higher in the BR you should have bigger and bigger maps. Everyone complains but the english-french channel map which is the biggest one in the game yet is one of my fave ones because i can actually climb as an american.

Jonathan Murphy
Jonathan Murphy

Tiger niggers get what they deserve

Joseph Gonzalez
Joseph Gonzalez

I go through phases with War Thunder. About a week ago I got fed up with the "balance" in air RB (because flying my p-39 against 2 or 3 captured p-47s is fair) and got back into WoT instead. Their air game is stupid casual, their tank game is more structured, and their boat game is just overall better done. I'm sure I'll go back to War Thunder, just not for a little while.

Aiden Brooks
Aiden Brooks

So if I want to get into tonks, are there any good casual tank sims? I think I once tried a demo of some Steel Armor but it ran like shit on my old craptop and didn't have the patience to set up the controls.

Jacob Lee
Jacob Lee

i guess the best you can go for is Arma or Op Flashpoint. DCS had an armor vehicles versions but i heard that it wasn't that good.

Blake Long
Blake Long

the T-34 early models are great for running flanks, very much a hit and run, trying to slug it out with a contemporary PZ. IV model is generally a death sentence though, because the PZ IV G and H models can punch a neat little hole straight through your front plate out to 650m most of the time. I love the PZIV with all my heart though, despite its dozens of design flaws. I play soviet tanks on xbox and german on the PC. have to say, german tanks are better at range than soviet stuff, but the soviet tanks have an advantage close up because of the fuckery you can get away with using the sloped armor.

PS. FUCK M10's

Mason Walker
Mason Walker

video game and there has to be some balance.

WHat's the point of balance in a video game you fucking retard?

The whole POINT of having DIFFERENT weapon systems is they have key advantages and weaknesses so that you can play to their strengths and develop strategies.

You sound like a World of Tanks homosexual. Go play with your hitpoints, kiddie.

Easton Parker
Easton Parker

IL-2 Tank Crew looks decent. Panther Elite Action is more arcadey but fun.

Lucas Watson
Lucas Watson

This is what I, the original user complaining about the T-34, experienced.
T-34/1940 and 1941 are really good. Once you start engaging PZIV with the long gun, or m4a2, you’re entirely dependent on mobility and surprise, and you can’t get into a long range engagement. But there’s like 3 more levels of t34 where not much changes but the enemy gets much stronger.
The long gun t34 (the small caliber one, not the 85) is much better at long range, great trajectory, but has really bad damage and a slower reload.

Basically I realized it was far better to play at lower br and just enjoy the battle, than to grind and try to advance through garbage.

Benjamin Ramirez
Benjamin Ramirez

nothing like going up against a kvs and is1s with a 75mm Sherman.

Cameron Adams
Cameron Adams

C'mon now. "Balanced" and "the same" are two different things. You'd have to be a retarded thirteen year old to fail to understand that. You're not a retarded thirteen year old, are you? Of course you're not, so stop behaving like you are. When different things have different strengths AND weaknesses, so that the guy who can figure out the proper way of using what he has against what the enemy has wins over the guy who doesn't, and everyone has a fair chance of figuring that out... Well, that is balanced. But when one guy gets the advantages, and the other guy gets the weaknesses, so the latter doesn't really have a fair shot at developing an effective strategy any more than the guy trying to chase off an A-10 with musket volleys then that's bad balance. Now notice how the balanced scenario is the one that's like what you described as being good, and the bad balance scenario is not.

So I hope you didn't mean "World of Tanks homosexual" as an insult, because it seems you're one yourself. Or, you know, a retarded thirteen year old who hasn't learned how to behave in public yet.

Jack Nguyen
Jack Nguyen

T-29, T-34, and T-30 for maximum amounts of Freedom and asshurt from shitviets and Krauts

Carson Stewart
Carson Stewart

Yeah you would say that because your a pc user whp plays on ultra low graphics settings and camps with a high power gun can snipe console players that are stuck with settings they cannot change and you can utilize fucking keywords for everything and keybind everything and hit pmayers easy with a fucking mouse on planes while they have to struggle with the fucked up button layouts.

Fuck you and fuck your crossplay no one likes crossplay with pc players except for pc players like you because it means easy kills for you and infuriating matches for console users. At least world of tanks know how to crossplay between old and knew consoles without crossplaying with pc and the fact they even made a dedicated servers for the console users and servers for pc users and even now have dedicated servers for console users and dedicated servers for pc users while keeping themseparate shows hoe to actually run a free to play game unlike the piece of shit game gaijin has theirs going because they are literally too goddamn greedy to fucking spend a few more money for separate servers between consoles and pc users.

You fucking elitist jackass.

Blake Wright
Blake Wright

I only wanted to play with the big boy toys that are behind a pay/grindwall instead of shit that's readily available and actually fun

This is where you fucked up.

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Connor Green
Connor Green

no, the game is pure trash.
they pull the same shit that WG does with their fucking game.

Free game? nah, YOU are the product and unless you spend money on our shitty game then its not worth playing at all

Josiah Roberts
Josiah Roberts

Hoes mad

Grayson Reed
Grayson Reed

Headtracking is a much bigger advantage than simply using a joystick.

Jordan Lee
Jordan Lee

Sadly im not able to afford VR or TrackIR. There are several times where the mouse input lock fucked me tho. And i wish that i had a joystick.

Brody Taylor
Brody Taylor

warthunder.com/en/news/6209-development-update-new-clouds-for-air-battles-en

Lmao maybe gaijin is actually browsing Jow Forums?

Nathaniel Green
Nathaniel Green

Wow, it's nearly like you entirely missed the point of what I was getting at. Oh, fuck, wait. You're trolling for (you)'s. You got me, user.

Luis Robinson
Luis Robinson

I'd get it if it were a single payment £40 game with all planes unlocked from the start.

Grinding is dull, good games can keep you invested with gameplay alone. You don't have to grind for anything in Insurgency and I've spent more time in that than any multiplayer game where grinding is involved.

Carter Ramirez
Carter Ramirez

played 1400h and quit in January 2018 when they started to introduce modern stuffs, they don't give a shit about ww2 anymore it's all about that power creep now, I did enjoyed sim tank gameplay for awhile but not having infantry either bots or player really fuck with the realism of battles.
I was looking froward to navy to save my will to play but big ships + realism isn't fun at all sadly, so I just started playing wows and I surprisingly like it

I did spend about 500€ on WT tho I wish I had spend in Il-2 instead

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Kayden White
Kayden White

I would play war thunder if i was 12

Matthew Stewart
Matthew Stewart

Hey guys, I'm looking for a game that was suggested previously in Jow Forums vidya threads, it was a 2D spreadsheet autism 2D naval warfare game, similar to CMANO

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Jeremiah Ortiz
Jeremiah Ortiz

Funny enough i had a wall of text in the war thunder reddit suggesting a good way to have infantry, considering that some ground vehicles were rather IFVs or APCs and that having infantry would make transport chopper get another job instead of a helicopter with a gun, and also open the doors to probably C-47s and halftracks as troop transport as either an RTS mode where you control your infantry or as having them bots take infantry-only spots.

The reasoning against it boiled down to "Gaijin wants to have the game be PG-13". Which explains also why they consider dead gunners in an aircraft "unconcious".

The moment they added ground units infantry needed to be added. Specially with jungle and urban warfare.

I actually on the other hand really do love the modern vehicles part.

Jayden Smith
Jayden Smith

You're missing a MASSIVE fucking point and that is the existance of HEATFS available to many tanks. It removes the ability for heavy tanks to properly utilize their armor at range full stop. The T-92, a high tier light tank for america, used to have 200mm flat armor pen on it's heatfs and slightly more on the apds. This was fair because the 200mm would pen a tiger ii's turret face but at range it's an insanely small target and hard to hit. They buffed it and now the HEATFS can pen through the UFP. At any range. The positives of the Tiger II are completely negated by this small light tank with a 5s reload. This isn't just a problem with the Tiger ii tho, this is a problem with almost every heavy tank at the transitionary br range where low armor vehicles are given rail guns with either incredible ap or heafts that carries them throughout any fight they get in to.

HEATFS should be a selectable upgrade pre-match that modify's br so that you don't have 1944 designs with no heatfs defensive measures fighting korean war ifvs.

I mean you have fucking beam riding ATGMs against wwii designed heavy tanks with the justification of "oh it has low armor". That's a joke man.

Daniel Carter
Daniel Carter

Fleet command?
Cold Waters?
Dangerous Waters?
Uboat?
Sub Command?
688?
Red Storm Rising?
if you mean true Spreadhsheet autism, i think there was one or two like CMANO by the same devs but they are CMANO but worse.

Joshua Roberts
Joshua Roberts

Gaijin wants to have the game be PG-13
I think that's just a lie
they don't want to do it because it would be impossible to balance infantry and ULQ players
imagine player sneaking around with pnazerfaust in ULQ able to spot tank perfectly in forest while being invisible to tank player
just a nightmare
I hate the modern shit because of this it make WWII stuffs irrelevant

Hudson Watson
Hudson Watson

What War Thunder needs is a decent coop PVE mode and more gamemodes in PvP, not a shitty wave defense designed to be hard to beat and only available in arcade and "capture the circle" in PvP. This game has potential for some awesome co-op content but Gayjin can't be bothered.

Jaxson Flores
Jaxson Flores

i dont think player controlled infantry is a good idea, but more of having the infantry the way it works in wargame. You have simplified RTS control over them and that's it.

Austin Morris
Austin Morris

This. I would LOVE to see RB rules and mouse aim in a co-op campaign a la IL-2.

Levi Phillips
Levi Phillips

I don't think it's any of those. It looked very similar to CMANO, but it didn't have the "Command:" name, and was about WW2 fleets.

Jacob Hall
Jacob Hall

I got the game in 2016, have been grinding the US tree since and am only on tier iv. Fuck this game

Aiden Ross
Aiden Ross

5500 hours

Good lord.

Another thing that ruined the game is how tank battles ALWAYS had aircraft in them. The only way to play tanks only was certain events or custom games and that was fucking gay.

Leo Ward
Leo Ward

This is exactly the reply i was expecting and it just feels great. Also no, aside from load distance graphics settings dont make a huge difference. You just havnt learned how to spot yet

Jayden Perez
Jayden Perez

Found it, it's Rule The Waves

Adrian Green
Adrian Green

Tbh the m18 hellcat makes it all worth it and is practically the only tank destroyer worth getting

Joshua Robinson
Joshua Robinson

Lets be real. The King Tiger was fucked from the start because 'muh lower quality steel modifier' bullshit

Daniel Hall
Daniel Hall

Nah the thing is an absolute fucking beast. If they moved brs around so upgrades like HEATFS modified br the thing would be back to it's pre-tier VI shit stomping. Not that I have anything against that, the sla16 carried me through the german tree without any effort ',:^]
You just can't brawl with it and absolutely fucking wild thing to consider is that it wasn't designed for brawling.

Lucas King
Lucas King

pc users can turn shrugs and trees off and turn graphics to potato settings to see other players in distances that are hiding behind shrubs and trees that are no longer rendered on their screen
meanwhile console players are stuck eith trees and shrubs and stuck graphic settings and can't see the pc player that is hiding across the other side of the map in thick shrubs and trees

Yeah great balancing indeed gaijin.

Logan Nguyen
Logan Nguyen

i just wanna play to troll around with italian meme vehicles like breda and fiat and the mini baby chibi tank

Xavier Butler
Xavier Butler

i uninstall it eventually but i always go back due to the unique gameplay it offers.
then i realize it's bad and i uninstall again.

i just need to stop playing online games, they're all a waste of time. :(

Brandon Morgan
Brandon Morgan

As someone who uses the m4a3e2, it is not undertiered and everytime i get uptiered on it perform poorly because of the limp dick 75mm.
I always am forced to use m18 or 76mm sherman to stay competitive.
Americans get shafted in the early tiers.

Life is suffering

Luis Price
Luis Price

At that point I’d play hearts of iron

James Mitchell
James Mitchell

Did the same thing with wot, but I grinded out 18,000+ battles on one platform. I didn’t uninstall, but I don’t play it as much. More focused on borderlands and reading.

Aaron Smith
Aaron Smith

Tog II is best tank

Nicholas Scott
Nicholas Scott

BR 3.7-4.4 is my favorite BR
Everyones tanks tend to do well and perform to there nations strengths.
Russians-T34 (1942)
Germans-pz4 F2
Burgers- M4A2

Dominic Ward
Dominic Ward

Jesús that is horrid

Jaxon Walker
Jaxon Walker

wtf tank is 4.4

Ian Bennett
Ian Bennett

As someone who uses the m4a3e2, and isn't shit at the game, it is seriously undertiered.

Dylan Gray
Dylan Gray

I'm running 5.7 Germany with Tiger E, Panther A, Hetzer, and the Wirbel, with the Fw-190-D13 and Ju-87D-5 as my air support. I mainly play Air RB with my F86-A5 in the US tree though.

Christian Green
Christian Green

You will be pleased to hear that SPAA equipped with SAMs have made helicopters unplayable in recent patches

Michael Long
Michael Long

Just play better you fucking consolefag there is an option to turn crossplay off dumbass

Samuel King
Samuel King

Are russian planes still blatantly overpowered? I think this is the only game where I saw the dev (Russian of course) be so biased toward their own country in a game.

Cooper Roberts
Cooper Roberts

Except they removed that option you fucking blatant shill

Daniel Ramirez
Daniel Ramirez

i like infantry not as a playable force but as a battlefield scenic element. maybe a strategic aspect for tickets but mainly as something to mg

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Gavin Sullivan
Gavin Sullivan

their guns are strong as fuck against anything but the m4a3e2

The 85 can lolpen the frontal armour of the Jumbo, so no.

Justin Williams
Justin Williams

Yes because Russians believe "We won so therefore we must have been the best." it's like the reverse sentiment some Americans have where they want to believe the enemy had better stuff because they want to be seen as an underdog.
Russians will defend to the death even the shittiest examples of their technology by spinning some angle to make it seem like the best. They won't play a game if it doesn't support that idea and not having Russian players means Gaijin fails in their home market.

Samuel Rogers
Samuel Rogers

Americans get shafted in the early tiers.
stabilizers
frontal armor on par with a fucking Tiger when angled
very decent APHE rounds
great speed and acceleration
I mean I agree the Jumbo is great within its tier but this meme has to fucking stop of Americans being weak in low tier shit. The Sherman lineup is incredible.

Kevin Foster
Kevin Foster

all that shit means fuck all when your cannons are weak compared to the ones you're up against.
great speed
lolno. its ok speed for most tanks with a few notable exceptions.

Justin Hughes
Justin Hughes

I got burnt out just grinding for the Challenger 2. I have about 230k RP left to get it. I'm currently going for aircraft at the moment, just got the Meteor F Mk3, I haven't played aircraft seriously in years. I enjoy it until something BS happens and I rage quit. I might continue up my German line, I'm at the Leopard one but that's just boring.

Bentley Rivera
Bentley Rivera

I disagree with you, my man, but that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. All I know is that playing at American 3.3 to 5.0 I pretty routinely do incredibly well, but from 5.0 onwards I feel like the Americans are absolute garbage.
Maybe we just play differently.

Mason Young
Mason Young

34-85 has an APHE shell that normalizes like a motherfucker and will pen the UFP of a Jumbo at literally any range. Jumbo in any game where it isn't top tier is atrociously bad

Logan Wright
Logan Wright

stabilizer
That only works at <10km/h

Jaxson Murphy
Jaxson Murphy

Join air rb
spend 10 minutes in matchmaker
join game
spend 2 mins climbing
spend a minute in combat
get shot down
repeat

I'm not sure if they fixed it but the matchmaker wait time killed the game for me.

Jason Scott
Jason Scott

Played world of tanks for many years on and off. By the time I discovered war thunder I didn’t want to start over, only played through the first few tanks.

WoT could use just the tiniest smidge of realism

Charles Long
Charles Long

I was referencing the 76 armed t-34s, of which take up the majority of the t-34s available. The 85 is an absolute meme gun, yes, I know this, I've played the game for 7 fucking years.

Colton Williams
Colton Williams

anyone else playing rule the waves?

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Lincoln Green
Lincoln Green

mutts asking for more handholding
someone change the channel, its another rerun

Liam Jenkins
Liam Jenkins

reminder that the sheridan remains completely cucked for no reason at all
apparently the slav(e)s fear the Sheridan BVLL

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Carson Smith
Carson Smith

Stop playing Arcade

Cooper Cooper
Cooper Cooper

cucked how?

Kevin Nguyen
Kevin Nguyen

ok tyrone

Levi Torres
Levi Torres

has hull break despite being designed with a hull that would mitigate catastrophic hull failure
shillelaghs are among the worst performing ATGMs, and in some situations will do shit all (I had an AMX-10RC absorb my shillelagh with his fuel tank, which allowed him to one shot me with his APFSDS)
shillelagh reload speed capped to 15+ seconds for "historical reasons"
object 906 (prior to being uptiered) was clubbing hard with its ~6 reload speed and got its reload buffed to 4 seconds for "historical reasons"
HEAT shell is extremely low velocity, requiring it to be lobbed similarly to other howitzer tanks, making it impractical unless in fights <400m
HEAT shell isn't particularly as good as its contemporaries
mobility is complete ass, despite being the only tank that could reliably traverse the swamps vietnam
doesn't have M551A1 TTS upgrade, meaning no laser rangefinder if you actually wanted to use its HEAT shell at long range
sits at 8.3, while the M3 Bradley comes right after it and sits at 8.0
@41561294
ok misha

Isaac Campbell
Isaac Campbell

American low tiers are great!
no every Sherman before the jumbo is shit
y-you just want more handholding!
I bet you play Russian tanks

Jackson Richardson
Jackson Richardson

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Zachary Howard
Zachary Howard

slav(e)nigger detected

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Brody Price
Brody Price

"Russians are OP!"
The most popular Russian planes have the lowest win-rates of any faction
You know, they do over-perform, but people give them way too much credit when you have the 109 variants scoring 75-80% win-rates.

Colton Stewart
Colton Stewart

reminder /wtg/ is DUCE general

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Aiden Stewart
Aiden Stewart

5.0 onwards americans are garbage
that's when they start holding their own. especially once they leave shermans behind.
in many cases as a sherman with the wrong cannon you come across a tank that's outside of your effective range that can 1-shot you no problem.
get shot from the side? dead.
their turret armor and front sloped armor is their saving grace imo. but germans and russians generally have better offers across the board.

Ethan Perry
Ethan Perry

im not asking for handholding. saying that shemans are inferior to a lot of what they go up against is just how it is.
if i said british tanks are generally not worth it would i be asking for more handholding? even though they will almost never 1-shot a tank due to their ammo type?
how about how most jap tanks are useless as well?
there's a reason you see a lot of the same tanks over and over at every BR and it's because some tanks are objectively better and some countries have a rough go of it at different BRs.

Benjamin Gomez
Benjamin Gomez

The Shermans without mobility upgrades are fucking hellish. They come to a dead stop at the drop of a hat, I hate it.

Charles Morales
Charles Morales

i could understand when the game was new people saying muh russian bias w/ planes, but as someone who started off with russian planes, they were never able to hold their own as well as germans and many american planes.
people jsut get mad when some meme cannon hits them in lower battle ratings and they blow up.
russians will lose in most turn fights and aren't exceptional boom n zoomers so idk why people say they're op.

Christian Nguyen
Christian Nguyen

planes are boring 5 minute climbfests
tanks are ULQ/straight up hacker heaven
only saving grace will be Japanese Navy
boatchads rise up

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Alexander Flores
Alexander Flores

that's when they start holding their own. especially once they leave shermans behind.
I must be playing them wrong. When I go to above 5.0 I feel like I cant snipe because I have horrible optics. I can't flank because the tanks are huge and relatively slow. And that I cant brawl because everything in that tier can pen me frontally.
Wtf am I doing wrong? Why do people love Americans at high tiers and hate them at low tiers when in completely the fucking opposite?

Jeremiah Harris
Jeremiah Harris

I don't believe any of those win figures have a bearing on actual balance. They make something so easy to use that many do, and still screw it up, and then they complain and Gaijin goes "See? They're under performing, BR decrease."

Benjamin Robinson
Benjamin Robinson

majority of the player base plays ground
proceeds to cherry pick r*ssi*n planes
allied pilots are braindead mutts or slav(e)s who decide to have team comp 3/4 bombers, and maybe 1 fighter loaded with ordnance and refuse to climb at all
faces off against nations with players that actually use fighters properly in RB
proceed to complain about their planes needing buffs while absolutely seething from german captured p47's which are identical

allied air players are literally mentally deficient is the reason

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Anthony Lopez
Anthony Lopez

that I cant brawl because everything in that tier can pen me frontally.
armor is a meme just shoot them before they shoot you
flying a Yak-3 in air RB against Japan is the quickest way to rid yourself of the idea of Russian bias, anytime I get Khalkhin Gol/Zhengzhou in a Zero the most dangerous planes are the captured American ones

Lucas Lee
Lucas Lee

what in tarnation
actual numbers of the plane losing don't indicate its actual capability

Samuel Ward
Samuel Ward

So much this. I want to play modern(ish) MBTs so fucking bad, but I'm stuck at 7.7 tops and it's always a pain in the ass. Then I go back to 1.0-3.7 and just have a fucking blast. Anything above that is broken.
Also fuck Gaijin for putting the T30 as an event tank; favorite fucking AFV of all time and they stick it behind one of their fucking retarded events in their equally retarded rats nest of a UI.

Josiah Allen
Josiah Allen

Russian planes have a habit of pulling energy out of their asses. The I-180S is stupidly fucking good at basically everything and the armament is as effective as it needs to be. The teams you get with it are absolute subhumans.

It's because War Thunder's meta in planes is, and will be for the rest of time, about climbing to high alt and picking off enemies below you as the safest method of getting kills. Russians are almost universally bad at this, and I say this as someone with a roughly 3:1 K/D or so in some of the Yaks over 50+ games each.

Nah, Axis are just really fucking strong. The Soviet planes with the highest popularity and winrates are Pokry's P-39 and the P-47 lend-lease, which have VERY high win rates. Look, I know it's fun and easy to imply Russians are so OP that the only reason they fail is because of bad players, but the raw numbers take that hypothesis and blast its brains out with a shotgun behind the shed. Russian planes just aren't good for Air RB's meta, but they are very good in air battles in Ground RB thanks to the meta being about low altitude dog fights where speed, acceleration and turning combined matter more than just nose-up nose-down.

Joseph Thomas
Joseph Thomas

armor is a meme
t. m18

Mason Howard
Mason Howard

Because they may not be the best at turning or BnZ, but they are also not the worst. Their planes do everything fairly well and it takes some bit of skill to use a nation that excels in one one area to defeat them. Soviet planes aren't entirely broken but they don't have any actual drawback and that is enough to make then overpowered within the game.

Joshua Bell
Joshua Bell

No, too biased

Julian Cook
Julian Cook

ameriniggers complaining
while having 76mm gocarts and 2 impenetrable meme shermans and the most potent canigging planes

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Joseph Sullivan
Joseph Sullivan

Soviet planes aren't entirely broken but they don't have any actual drawback
they don't outclimb anyone besides USA, being outclimbed by brits and Japs is a death sentence
burgers are shit at video games that aren't hollywood depictions of reality
big shock

Justin Bailey
Justin Bailey

assmad faggot can't kill hellcats and jumbos

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Adrian Ortiz
Adrian Ortiz

Slavaboos huff their own shit, flock to slav planes, act stupid, get wrecked, then Gaijin uses this data to "balance" the game
Meanwhile anyone with half a brain in a Russian fighter will be able to do something of value

Jose Cooper
Jose Cooper

If you look at raw winrate/K:D ratio data using Thunderskill, the tiers seemingly go like this:
Italians = Japan
Germany
USA
Britain
USSR
French don't really count since they aren't a real faction but they are sort of between the US and Britain. The really overpowered factions are the Japs and the Italians and their eternally rising repair costs reflect this.

Connor Williams
Connor Williams

believing the pilot nationality meme
I guess all burgers are glue huffing mouth breathers huh

Oliver Lopez
Oliver Lopez

WAAAAAAAAAAH THEY'RE NOT DUMBING DOWN THE FLIGHT MECHANICS ENOUGH FOR ME WAAAAAAAAAAAH

Jeremiah Sanders
Jeremiah Sanders

their heavy reliance on cannons and inability to outclimb and outturn most other planes is their folly.
they're not even a jack of all trades. take the La series of planes. they hardly improve overtime and are incompetent at any special role. add on their short ammo belts and you've got a recipe for disasters.
the various yaks are generally better fighters but are quickly outclassed by american, german, british, and japanese counterparts.
the higher up you go in BR the more severe the difference gets until you hit jets.
if you die by a russian it's because you didn't see them when they swooped on ya, but if you ever engage them they can't do anything to get rid of you.

Gabriel Gonzalez
Gabriel Gonzalez

I dont understand it at fucking all. I think the Sherman lineup is fucking great and I love them right up till 5.3. They're quick, they're accurate, they're fucking indestructible if angled correctly, they lay on target in seconds and have enormous depression and elevation.
Literally the only complaint I have about Sherman's is the gun, and even that I don't mind because literally everything you're facing has a fuck-huge flat front plate or an enormous as shit throat you can one-hit them in.

Ryder Lee
Ryder Lee

Most played domestic German plane is the 109 F-4 with 12k matches this month and a winrate of 78%
Most played domestic Russian plane is the Yak-9T with a 55% winrate and 5,000 matches this month
Most played Soviet plane overall is the P-47 premium with 10k matches and a winrate of 60%
"DUDE RETARDS FLOCK THE RUSSIANS LMFAO"
Germany and the US are the most played factions.

Cameron Taylor
Cameron Taylor

i started off in russian planes and played them right up until jets. havent researched jets yet, but they're next.
(i stopped playing planes at that BR years ago)
they're not total shit, but those planes are not the best at anything and very easy to kill with any other country's fighters.

Ethan Torres
Ethan Torres

You can buy it on the steam store as a premium

Joseph Morris
Joseph Morris

get 2 (two) vehicles with most effective armor of anything within 1.0 of it's BR range with a single frontal weak spot
and one of the fastest vehicles in the game with 30 degrees a second turret rotation and a 76mm gun
wah we need buffs

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Jaxon Jackson
Jaxon Jackson

This user gets it. I'd argue that the M4A2 is a bit of a mess, since I hate using APCR and that's really all it's got going for it at 4.0. M4 paired with the M10 and M4A5? A fucking massacre.

Samuel Watson
Samuel Watson

im not asking for handholding. saying that shemans are inferior to a lot of what they go up against is just how it is.
lets go into detail on that
armour
like all medium tanks of its BR, the hull really deont have any unless at extreme ranges or angles
the turret however on the m4 and m4a2 are pretty good, able to bounce shells or just have the gunbreach eat the enemy shell, something over tanks of that BR cannot
firepower
panzer IV F2 aside, all mediums have about the same, with penetration from 100-120ish mm of Penetration and excluding the british, with HE filler. what it does have that no other medium has is a gyrostabilizer that makes it really ez to peek over a crest and then retreat again
mobility
possibly its biggest weakness while at the same time, not the worst either. yes it doesnt traverse well on slopes but it still moves along with all others

seems pretty balanced to me

if i said british tanks are generally not worth it would i be asking for more handholding?
brits are Pretty meh until you get stuff with the 17pdr
even though they will almost never 1-shot a tank due to their ammo type?
learn to aim
how about how most jap tanks are useless as well?
its almsot like they were shit IRL and are now timemachines in the game to make them good
if you still arent able to use them, its you
there's a reason you see a lot of the same tanks over and over at every BR and it's because some tanks are objectively better and some countries have a rough go of it at different BRs.
+you dont have to drive one tank after another like wot to unlock shit. people just drive what they feel is the most fun as a result.

Eli Morris
Eli Morris

Yeah, because as if the event tank bullshit wasn't enough of a 'fuck you'.

Jace Perez
Jace Perez

?

Oliver Smith
Oliver Smith

quick
compared to what?
accurate
more than russians, less than germans. once you get under 300m it doesn't matter.
indestructible if angled correctly
too bad many opponents engage from the side, especially pesky t34s.
i will say their front armor and turret armor are outstanding, but everywhere else is a free ammo rack.
enormous depression
yeah compared to russians. otherwise it's not outstanding.

as a sherman you're disadvantaged on urban maps by being unable to react if someone comes at any angle except the front.
and open maps because your guns can't compete with germans at those distances and you can't help but present 2/3 of your tank to the enemy.
they're good tanks irl but a pain in war thunder imo. not terrible, but not great.

Isaiah Richardson
Isaiah Richardson

There are a lot of them who think they can turnfight a Zero or something but considering the game is made and marketed in Russia and there's a lot more

Adam Davis
Adam Davis

Gets 2 (two) tanks with sides like a barn that can be easily penetrated by anything they meet, are slow, and have poor firepower for their BR
And one of the fastest vehicles in game with 30 degrees a second turret rotation and a 76mm gun oh but also you can be hull broken and killed by anything with a machine gun
I never said we need buffs; I'm saying you're bad.

Levi Thomas
Levi Thomas

At least WW1 ships. The devs literally disregard anything that isn't "muh britannia rule da waves xD"

Gavin Sanders
Gavin Sanders

lol ok, taken your pills yet?

Hunter Evans
Hunter Evans

Reminder that Gaijin is legally obligated under Russian law to portray the Soviet Union as positive and this requires maintaining a Soviet superiority complex.
reuters.com/article/us-russia-putin-nazi-law/russias-putin-outlaws-denial-of-nazi-crimes-idUSBREA440IV20140505
You will go to jail if your game reveals a Soviet vehicle as shit compared to its competitors of the time.

Dylan Lee
Dylan Lee

Grinding for basic necessities ruined the experience for me.
Fucking hell, I'm on the next variant of this tank that I've completely grinded out. Why the fuck do I have to grind out the fire extinguishers again?

Hudson Wood
Hudson Wood

Considering the win rates and K/D ratios of the Soviet air vehicles in game then everyone who works at that coffee shop should be in a gulag.

Lucas Gonzalez
Lucas Gonzalez

Noo, 1921 tests and Jellicoe don't matter!!!!1
ok

Camden Allen
Camden Allen

wtf are you on about man?
british ships regularly go queen mary ingame in compensation for the highest shipoutput until US overtakes them

James Evans
James Evans

i didnt say shermans were unablanced. i just dont like them.
im not asking for them to be buffed or nerfed.

learn to aim
at what? brits for a long time have zero explosive in their shells...you're lucky to rack if you hit the rack.
people just drive what is the most fun
yes and no. people still go through tanks that aren't usually fun because it has some capability, but will often die. m10 is a great example. beautiful cannon, terrible everything else, especially turret adjustments.
people use what is going to not die and what is going to kill.
m18s are used well beyond 4.7 for a reason and you will see teams of 5+ m18s quite often.
kv2s? meme tank you won't see a lot of but they're not bad tanks. however better alternatives exist that don't get killed as quickly.

that's not me saying buf the kv2 or anything, i'm pointing out that it has characteristics that make it less appealing for common usage over many other tanks. you find people prefer russian heavies to russian destroyers because their destroyers are often lacking for one reason or another.
whereas germans and americans don't really have that problem, especially germans.

people flock to specific tanks because different tanks are just...better for one reason or another. no one should disagree with that statement.

people also flock to different countries. you see less british at higher BRs for a reason. same with japs.
it's because those countries are far more of a pain the entire grind compared to russians, americans, and germans.

Zachary Flores
Zachary Flores

Leo 2A5 is the best tank
Mitsubishi T-2 is the best plane
Brooklyn is the best ship
hmmm time for gulag

Jace Collins
Jace Collins

if you make fun of someone for being unable to preform well with some of the most powerful vehicles in the game you are bad

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Jace Morgan
Jace Morgan

NOOOOOOOOO DELETE THAT!

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Ethan Johnson
Ethan Johnson

Law applies to GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR period. Doesn't say anything about the period after. Naval forces are just getting started so prepare yourself.

Jacob Jackson
Jacob Jackson

Would you play war thunder if they actually gave a shit about accuracy and realism?
no, i'd rather have fun in a video game rather than make it an autism simulator
and the game is not fun

Jackson Anderson
Jackson Anderson

IS-2 gets niggerdunked on by King Tigers
every Soviet plane gets niggerdunked on by Japs and Germoids alike

Leo Reed
Leo Reed

Not when i played it

Nicholas Ramirez
Nicholas Ramirez

im bad
its the devs fault
now where have i seen that before

Elijah Williams
Elijah Williams

Dying in the IS-2 or Soviet planes taking energy out of nowhere
You and your fellow subhumans should get good maybe

Jacob Hall
Jacob Hall

compared to what?
Basically everything at the tiers that it's at.
Beats out the entire KV/IS/SU line. On-par if not better than the T-whatever line. Quicker turret and drive than the entire PZ line, no defending those fucking things. Beats all of Japan. Italy and France give it a run for it's money, but that's just power creep at work.
Once you get under 300m it doesn't matter
No shit, I literally never argued otherwise. It's always nice to have a great scope zoom coupled with good accuracy, though, as the Germans prove at that tier.
Too bad enemies come from the side
Bro, that your problem entirely. If someone sneaks up on my side, they've earned that kill. You cannot take points away from a fucking Sherman because people are better than you at the fucking game.
disadvantaged on urban maps
I'd argue otherwise. Great gun, no need to worry anymore about flanks, stabilizer gets you on-target faster than any enemy, you've got better armor and better reverse speed than nearly everyone you're facing.
and open maps because your guns can't compete with germans at those distances and you can't help but present 2/3 of your tank to the enemy.
Find cover. Police objectives. Be patient, let them come to you and use your trolly as fuck turret armor. Anyway, it's just my opinion, anyway. I fucking love the things. That I've got a 3:1 K/D in them and like a 0.5:1 K/D in everything else means that they handhold a retard like me just fine.

Luke Roberts
Luke Roberts

Devs take drachinifel as source
everything british good german bad
totally not biased

Tyler Collins
Tyler Collins

Soviet planes taking energy out of nowhere
flying the A7M2 or even the A6M3 makes the Soviet planes look like a joke, you'd have to be bad or outnumbered to die to them

Dylan Brooks
Dylan Brooks

what are you referring to? its a sandbox game with random events and randomshipdesigns by the AI.

Nathan Roberts
Nathan Roberts

This.

Not to mention the crew exp system is an abomination, unless you have a max crew or ace the tank, just turning the turret or accelerating takes fucking ages

Jaxon Moore
Jaxon Moore

Daily reminder that there was an official interview AND there is an official loading screen both laughing at and debasing the players for complaining about having to grind for FPE and repair kits.
The grind is a fucking nightmare, and yet they manage to remain one of the only studios who can keep getting away with it, again and again.

Gavin Hughes
Gavin Hughes

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Benjamin Butler
Benjamin Butler

be bad

Caleb Ross
Caleb Ross

not me though

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Christopher Rivera
Christopher Rivera

um. american turret depression, on avg, is the 2nd worst just after russians. sherman turret depression is "ok" at best.
germans almost always have outstanding depression and brits are behind them normally. then americans. and russians cant look down. poor guys.
good accuracy
literally no better or worse than russians and not as good as british. far inferior to germans who you go up against most in RB.
enemies doing things is my fault
if you advance to a point it is inevitable an enemy will be somewhere that isn't in front of you. i don't get mad when it happens but it is a problem that your tank may as well have no armor when that happens. not saying to change it, but it is a downside of the sherman lineup.
great gun
????
everyone but maybe the japanese have better cannons than shermans on their normal tanks. the problem with british cannons is their lack of BOOM but they reliably penetrate whatever they hit. the 76mm is the american big break to finally be on par with their enemies in WT.
open map
find cover
beautiful unless you want to actually help your team beyond the beginning of the battle.
in my experience both against and playing as americans, americans lose quite a lot more than the russians and germans do.
this is partially because american tanks have some notable disadvantages compared to both of them and when you're almost always against germans then you will almost always lose at those battleratings.
once americans start using other tanks they start becoming a thorn in the enemy's side.

im too lazy to verify the stats on win/loss so it's anecdotal but i'd bet it's documented. i also stopped playing so don't have it installed atm but i was playing it again to try it out after big update just over a week ago and i played russians, americans, and germans during those few days.

Jose Flores
Jose Flores

i'll add, if the sherman were so great, you wouldn't see half of your team as m18s sometimes.
people are willing to forfeit basically all armor for speed and cannon. a cannon that is those things you say american cannons are.
and the m18's cannon is on par with most german cannons at 4.7 and a few russians.
i think that says just how great the sherman is when people prefer no armor to using a sherman.

Ian Bennett
Ian Bennett

never post again

Anthony Johnson
Anthony Johnson

If I wanted planes I'd play il-2 and if I wanted tanks I'd play World of Tanks for arcade or post scriptum for something more sim.

Nathaniel Wood
Nathaniel Wood

world of tanks
literally the only game worse than war thunder at tanks
i don't even

Mason Wood
Mason Wood

?
if you check the stats of all the tanks used in the last month, it backs up my point that people simply don't play the sherman that much.
and it's for all the reasons i stated.
the m18, unsurprisingly, is the most played american tank at that BR by far.

David Campbell
David Campbell

So get fuckin il2 which is better than both, fairly priced in their constant sales, and constantly improving

Brandon Carter
Brandon Carter

and yet they manage to remain one of the only studios who can keep getting away with it, again and again.
What's funny is that the player base unanimously agreed on something for once, had Gaijin sweating bullets due to a PR rep's choice of words over the subject, and then settled for the most half-assed compromises ever (just a small boost in xp earned).
They could have easily raised hell and held out for stock FPE and parts, but no...
They actually listened to us! xD We did it, r/Warthunder! We did it, Youtube! We did it! XD They listened and we should never bother to ask them for anything ever again!

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Thomas Flores
Thomas Flores

I would but what i like the most is late WWII early jets and i love the mouse aiming feature.

Leo King
Leo King

I managed to quit it for good a few months back. There's been no real improvement to the core gameplay for years now.

The two things I hated the most about WT was the fucked up balance and most of all the terrible maps entirely unsuited to tank warfare.

Aaron Baker
Aaron Baker

as an plane player i actually hated how most maps, incluiding historical accurate ones were mostly just flat terrain.

Arcade gets the best maps because they actually get sometimes some variety, like african canyons or secret base.

Xavier Rivera
Xavier Rivera

japs
have shit you cant penetrate

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Ayden Jackson
Ayden Jackson

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Connor Parker
Connor Parker

mid 50's supersonic experimental jet gets to be the first jet with AIM9s
unlike real life, late F86s dont get AIM9s whatsoever
the same airplane can then use AIM9Es, which were made about 10 years or more after the plane were released.
game skips AIM9Ds which were the main sidewinder during the vietnam war
most likely they wont bother with the AIM9Js
most likely we will see F105/F111/F102/F101/F104 with super late weaponry like AIM9Ls if they follow this trend
they decided to fuck up following eras because they decided that helicopters tanks and airplanes should all fight together in a balanced way so you have 60's helicopters with 50's jets with 1980's and 1990's tanks for the fucks of it

Makes me wonder if they are even gonna bother to add an F-14 tomcat with the AIM54 in the future. If they do they will either nerf it to a point where its unrealistic or just let it break the entire game.

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Jordan Diaz
Jordan Diaz

I was mainly talking about tanks, don't know about planes because I never bothered with them

For modern ground forces the maps are usually far too small and close quarters to be suitable. The speed, gun handling and stabilisation of modern vehicles turns all those maps into a fucking CoD style twitch shooter clusterfuck with spawn camping 2 minutes in.

Mason James
Mason James

Added too much make believe vehicles and made it into a paytowin lootbox fueled unsefferable grindfest. Its fucking shit now

Mason Howard
Mason Howard

World of Tanks is better than War Thunder and Wargaming is better than Gaijin.

I mean, all things relative, but it's true, Gaijin are the jewest of jews.

Logan Morales
Logan Morales

arnt these games just micro transaction fee to play games, but for /his/ ?

Noah Watson
Noah Watson

i played it from 2012 until recently and haen't paid a dime.
however it shows compared to people who pay for "premium" and get all the shit much faster. eg i never got jets and my highest tanks are 6.3 BR and it goes up to 10.
if i played actively all those years i'd have jets but only a few, and that's like dedicating your life to the game.

Anthony Wright
Anthony Wright

This. Every country I'm stuck right around 7.7 and it just gets super gay.

Chase Lopez
Chase Lopez

world of tanks is better
I'm not trying to defend gaijin but..

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Noah Diaz
Noah Diaz

World of Tanks is better

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Dominic Hernandez
Dominic Hernandez


his post should be read as:
I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY ON ANOTHER GAME THAT SHOULD BE DEAD AND NOW THERE ARE ONLY THIRD WORLDERS LEFT PLEASE PLAY WITH ME

Dylan Howard
Dylan Howard

last i was playing war thunder which wasn't too long ago, quite often over half my team didn't seem to be able to speak english.
of course plenty of folks just don't type, but i'd call out to a guy by me as i died or got shot at where the bad guy was and what it was and they'd just ignore.
usually russians or koreans based on names imo
it's part of why i stopped playing.

Wyatt Collins
Wyatt Collins

play a better plane game you fucking nigger kike shitskin shill hooknose schlomo

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Caleb Parker
Caleb Parker

no MP
few to no jets
no mouse controls whatsoever

Parker Anderson
Parker Anderson

few to no jets
retard

sas1946.com/main/index.php

Jace Thompson
Jace Thompson

and dumbshit 10 year old shit thunder fags like you that are unwilling to use a joystick are the reason flight sims are being so dumbed down and casualized nowadays.

Austin Miller
Austin Miller

no mouse controls whatsoever

Thank god for that!

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Andrew Barnes
Andrew Barnes

unwilling
more like too poor.

David Sanders
David Sanders

is that a mod or does the game lets you jam radio comms stock?

Gavin Garcia
Gavin Garcia

can't afford a 30 dollar joystick

and il2 does have a multiplayer. It just doesn't use a server browser so you need actual ip addresses.

Dominic Hughes
Dominic Hughes

You're playing video games that cost around 40-60 dollars, now you're saying 30 is too much?

Easton Robinson
Easton Robinson

peak war thunder was when it use to be airplanes only with a tier system of 1-20 only being pre-war to korean planes. You had relatively historical battles with period planes. If you were some unlucky bastard in a p51 or spit mark 9, b17s, Lancaster, or better, you faced the wrath of 262s / komets as basic ww2 props, and i enjoyed the challenged when i first grinded GB.

played it since open beta, so almost 6-7 years now.

fuck i got no life

Cooper Jones
Cooper Jones

Its a mod, the Lancaster carries a short range radar jammer.

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Connor Gonzalez
Connor Gonzalez

No i cannot afford a 30 dollar joysticks because they are much more expensive where i live and i am not american.

Michael Walker
Michael Walker

IL-2 i remember getting it for super cheap years ago, DCS, at least some of it, its free. War thunder is free, BMS Falcon is also free.

Other than the modern IL2s and the DCS modules most consumer flight sims are quite cheap.

Evan Lopez
Evan Lopez

Nice. Where can i get it?

Andrew Kelly
Andrew Kelly

sas1946.com/main/index.php?topic=46298.0

You can play it with the Dark Blue World mod pack. I think they've got it with the newer BAT modpack, but that ran horribly for me and I never figured out why. Fair warning though, the difficulty curve is practically vertical and you need to basically play it at night or you won't be able to spot anything.

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Bentley Adams
Bentley Adams

Other than the modern IL2s and the DCS modules most consumer flight sims are quite cheap.

All of them are more expensive than a sufficient joystick.

Parker Gomez
Parker Gomez

correct, which is why dont have any DCS module or modern IL2 game.

Offtopic question but is there really so much issue with 1946 to the point that some modern mods cannot be run in last update versions of the game? i didn't remember the game being so divisive in version differences beyond "ultimate mods" for WWI, WWII, and post war that weren't compatible with each other.

Ayden Lewis
Ayden Lewis

Think all of the current modpacks can run at the current game version, I know BAT and VP can. I can't really say much about the pre or post WWII stuff because I was never very interested in it.

Nicholas Ortiz
Nicholas Ortiz

the link from before sadly claims that update 4.12 broke AI's night capabilities and the game has to be at 4.10 to use the nach mod pack.

Brandon Kelly
Brandon Kelly

no MP

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Jason Walker
Jason Walker

I believe BAT uses the same radar and radio navigation mod updated to the current game version, it didn't work for me but I'm not saying it isn't worth trying if you're interested. I use this set because I have trouble running BAT.

Gabriel Williams
Gabriel Williams

Interesting. I might when and if i can get a flight joystick. It has always been my pet peeve with prop planes in all sims that they were harder to fly with with a keyboard.

Ryder Stewart
Ryder Stewart

i wish they would add this to il2

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Owen Peterson
Owen Peterson

I miss WarClouds :3

Camden Campbell
Camden Campbell

Play whatever you want, WoT is way better than WT

tfw picked up tier 8 premium Bulldog yesterday for credits while gaijin plebs still grinding for fire extinguishers

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Christopher Thomas
Christopher Thomas

RB added multi faction combat
now its every nation vs every nation
maps lost historical accuracy in RB for the sake of "balance" and they are almost too generic
everyone gets air spawns
Gaijin at it again.

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Nicholas Rivera
Nicholas Rivera

Would you consider FSX Jow Forums? I'm just getting into it, might get tacpack soon and make it poor man's DCS.

Dominic Foster
Dominic Foster

aren't most flight models considered a joke and the good mod vehicles cost hundreds per vehicle?

Grayson Williams
Grayson Williams

aren't most flight models considered a joke
Yes, for the default aircraft.
the good mod vehicles cost hundreds per vehicle?
No, more like $60-$70 at most. I got the PMDG 737-800 for $45 on sale and it's very nice.

Julian Johnson
Julian Johnson

WT made the Tiger and Panther pieces of shit. Therefore I do not play.

Ethan Anderson
Ethan Anderson

user, the Tiger and Panther were oversized pieces of shit that couldn't even make it up a hill. You are living in Wehraboo fantasy land.

Brody Parker
Brody Parker

war thunder sucks dick.

Robert White
Robert White

The Panzer III is unironically the best tank of world war two.

Isaiah Wilson
Isaiah Wilson

The panther is a pretty solid tank, especially the G model that gets the unfucked mantlet that stops being a shot trap. The 75 got a bump to its penetration too. Tigers are fucked tho, shouldn't be fighing T-55s and other Cold War tanks armed with HEATFS

Ryder White
Ryder White

that Janet airlines mission
FSX can be Jow Forums as fuck.
from now on our callsign is Longhorn 27
I could tell you why, but then I'd have to kill you
just kdding
welcome to dreamland

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Oliver Evans
Oliver Evans

Same user as before, just to let you compare, the cheapest joystick i can find, the T 16 000 goes for 260 bucks here. Anything else gets more and more expensive.

Jaxon Brown
Jaxon Brown

And the Hotas Warthog is 760 USD.

Zachary Hernandez
Zachary Hernandez

Yes.
Went from beautifully vivid appearance to washed out colors, waxy looking vehicle models, overly bright whites, shitty clouds, and higher GPU demand.
How the fuck did they manage to do that?
As-is I cannot fucking understand why my Tiger II (H) is going up against fucking goddamn BMPs, T-54s, Conquerors, STB-1s, Type 60s, and AMX30s.
That's simple.Tiger 2 have most of their weaknesses negated so they must fight vehicles that match them in hard stats.

Aaron White
Aaron White

Yes because in that case USSR would be a muuuuuuch better faction. But instead these retards keep buffing G*rmany and Muttland with nonexistant nonhistorical mods and they keep giving Soviet tanks training ammo.
Nigga you fucking retarded, the Russians get to field cold war ATGM against Tiger Is and Tiger IIs.. Think about that for a while, War Thunder literally pits 1942 and 1944 tanks against +1972 vehicles .. NIGGA YOU FUCKING RETARDED

Also the French get autoloader tanks from 60s against Pz. IV.. A 1939 tank

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Ryan Green
Ryan Green

Tiger 2 have most of their weaknesses negated so they must fight vehicles that match them in hard stats.
Whats wrong with IS-2, Centurion, Pershing etc facing Tigers? Are they not good enough to go toe to toe? Also Tiger II was massively nerfed and the ammo racks in turret are stacked first

Josiah Johnson
Josiah Johnson

tfw buy a Maus
spend 80 minutes to move from staging area to combat zone
attack helicopters and guided missiles everywhere
everyone has 400mm pen guns
you are still limited to WW2 APCBC
your smoke launcher fires the canister backwards directly opposite to direction your turret is facing, cannot be rotated like the real one

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Bentley Hall
Bentley Hall

Warthunder WAS better thsn world of tanks but wt added a bunch of neverexisten vehicles and now matches are fucked. Adding lootboxes and making the gridn so long killed the game

Cameron Smith
Cameron Smith

At least War Thunder and World of Tanks aren't anywhere near as bad as Armored Warfare

James Johnson
James Johnson

Whats wrong with IS-2, Centurion, Pershing etc facing Tigers?
IS-2 : RoF.
Centurion : Which of them?
Pershing : Inferior armor and weapon.
Are they not good enough to go toe to toe?
No.
Also Tiger II was massively nerfed and the ammo racks in turret are stacked first
Turret wiggle.Also,the nerfed zoom makes the turret weakspot much harder to hit.

Benjamin Fisher
Benjamin Fisher

So instead pit WW2 Tiger with WW2 ammo against post war tanks with post war ammo giving the other side advantage both in mobility, penetration and even protection?

Aiden Wilson
Aiden Wilson

what's wrong with it?

Isaiah Ross
Isaiah Ross

yeah, when i started the grind wasn't too bad, then when they devalued the in game currencies I spent about a month grinding for one plane and decided i was fucking done. It's a shame.

Isaac Flores
Isaac Flores

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Lucas Johnson
Lucas Johnson

Turret wiggle

*explodes your turret ammo rack from 3 kilometers and behind bushes
"heh, nothing personnel kid"

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Chase Jenkins
Chase Jenkins

It used to be a lot worse a while ago, with things like soviet shells starting fires 2x as often, artificially nerfing german tanks, insane armor values, and post war heavy tanks like the IS-3 and 4M clubbing everyone else, but they still do shady shit today. For example, NATO tanks receive outdated shell types compared to high tier russians, the Yak 3P has a physically impossible flight model, and the russians always receive advanced tech quicker than the other nations, such as AA missiles with the Tunguska.

Elijah Baker
Elijah Baker

Agree, they added too many planes and removed the historical battles.

Justin Bailey
Justin Bailey

world war mode
nah senpai, i sunk literally months of my life and hundreds of dollars into that shitheap of a game since 2013, uninstalling it and reinstalling it every few months to chase the dragon that was the golden age of WT.
But there wasn't ever a golden age of War Thunder, it's always been a broken fucking mess. That "golden age" was the joy from squadding up with my irl buddies and building a squadron for fun. It's always been a broken shitheap of a game and nothing has and will ever change about it. Among other things slav devs have literally have no concept of western consumer relations but also have an intrinsic ability to piss off everyone and kill any sense of fun or progress with how retardedly backwards they are.
I've given it a shot a couple times in the past few months but its the same fucking game but with exponentially-increasing balancing issues thanks to the fact that they're adding post-cold war hardware to the game. The fire is just about gone for good. If you told me about WW mode 2 years ago (when it was supposed to fucking come out) maybe things would've been different, maybe.
I unironically am thinking about selling my account, fuck GayJew's EULA.

Hunter Hill
Hunter Hill

A lot of things. Take the greed and malice of Gaijin mix it with WG incompetence and you get My.com. Obsidian wanted to play to their strengths, My.com wanted a WoT clone with modern vehicles. For like 5-6 months a year or two ago, there were zero patches. The game was frozen at patch 0.18 while Balance 2.0 was slowly worked on and Obsidian was then let go, so My.com took over. Most people who still play the game don't even bother with PvP, so the total number of vehicles per team was capped to 5 (down from 12-15, iirc).
Basically, Armored Warfare became an even more monetized WoT clone with lootboxes and reskins being shoved out constantly rather than every so often.

Robert Murphy
Robert Murphy

reinstalled il-2 1946 for the sake of better physics
instantly miss the easier menu and map navigation of war thunder
realize you could be at subsonic speed, open the canopy and close it without any damage
the lack of artificial crosshairs make 3rd person flying impossible in dogfight, locking you into cockpit to be able to aim
the game lets you auto-fold wings of planes that needed manual folding like the F6F
the game has no RearmRepairRefuel feature, essentially making any extended single play operation/mission impossible
game UI is simplistic and nice but war thunder's direct temperature reads for third person work better
some planes cannot have their cockpit open no matter what (although war thunder does the same)

I feel like war thunder is sitting on a gold mine of a flight engine if they bother to make it more realistic add proper carrier physics and dont pussy out for the sake of balance.

You could do all of that, add jets from early to modern, make new giantic maps, make the game prettier, change the name and you would have a doable new IP that would probably get more people's attention.

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Jayden James
Jayden James

the lack of artificial crosshairs make 3rd person flying impossible in dogfight, locking you into cockpit to be able to aim
this is a problem
Stupid casual.

Robert Brooks
Robert Brooks

accuracy and realism
no one would
the people who want that already play better games

Tyler Diaz
Tyler Diaz

DCS?

Gabriel Jackson
Gabriel Jackson

accuracy and realism
why bother when everyone will be driving tiger 2 and IS2
without a focus on combined arms there is nothing for the smaller vehicles to do

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Isaiah Stewart
Isaiah Stewart

DCS, IL2, Rise of Flight.

Aaron Diaz
Aaron Diaz

doesn't DCS has like very very very few playable planes and impossible to use without a joystick?

Isaiah Nguyen
Isaiah Nguyen

DCS has enough aircraft that I'm not even going to bother trying to think of them all. But yeah, you need a stick. , it's a flight sim.

Nolan Ross
Nolan Ross

ok zoomer

Evan Barnes
Evan Barnes

I remember when captured German m4a3 sherm had the BR of the m4a1 and could play in sim games. Painted with 'murica flags nobody questioned me driving up behind them and executing them :^)

Jayden White
Jayden White

F/A-18, F-14, F-15, Su27, Su33, Mig29, Su25, Spitfire, Bf109k, Fw190, Mirage 2000, Mig21, F-5e, Mi8, UH-1, gazelle, P-51 Mustang, F-86, Mig15, Mig19, I-16, Av-8b, AJS-37, A-10A, A-10C to name but a few.

Josiah Hughes
Josiah Hughes

Also F-16 in a few months in theory.

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Hunter Brown
Hunter Brown

The game went to shit years ago. And every time I check if it's any better, it's still fucking trash. Ultra slav mode still works in ground forces, FMs and DMs are still an absolute meme. Tiering is horrid, 1944 stuff still fights various cold war crap that shits down its throat. Last time I checked, jet battles were even more cancer, as the French had gotten some ground attack plane that literally couldn't get caught in a straight line by anything.

Tyler Anderson
Tyler Anderson

muh postwar
Go cry to your mommy wehraboo.
vehicle 1.0 BR higher is stronger
You don't say?

Nathan Hernandez
Nathan Hernandez

realistic game mode
1942 vs 1972 vehicles
1939 medium tanks vs autoloaders from 1960s

Eli Hall
Eli Hall

literally calling other people wehraboo
throws a fit if people suggest not matching 1944 Jagdtigers against his 1983 T-55M
Were you always this retarded or is this caused by the daily vodka rations in the red army?

Nathaniel Lewis
Nathaniel Lewis

saying
"Wehraboo"
while saying
"The German WW2 vehicles are too strong to be matched against their period counterparts"
Hoisted by your own petard

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