Would you play war thunder if they actually gave a shit about accuracy and realism...

Would you play war thunder if they actually gave a shit about accuracy and realism? Maybe even change the gamemodes so that instead of PvP its more like their operations campaign about taking territories?

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No because its a fucking grindfest

I'd still be playing it today if they didn't abandon WWII air battles for post-war tanks.
The game is an absolute joke now in my opinion.
It's cool to see some WWII planes being added, but ultimately it's worthless now.

Not to mention the horrible update to the Dagor engine.
Went from beautifully vivid appearance to washed out colors, waxy looking vehicle models, overly bright whites, shitty clouds, and higher GPU demand.

This. I'd rather just buy the game and have a reasonable progression tree than get the thing for free but spend forever grinding to anything cool.

I recently deleted the whole thing. Too much grind. Got better things to do with my life.

I did the same after trying it for about a month, and I don't even have anything better to do with my life.

Yes because in that case USSR would be a muuuuuuch better faction. But instead these retards keep buffing G*rmany and Muttland with nonexistant nonhistorical mods and they keep giving Soviet tanks training ammo.

nobody wants an accurate + realistic flight sim integrated into a combat game because even disregarding things like V speeds and weight/balance envelopes, that shit is difficult and mapping elevators, rudders, flight stick, flaps, trim tabs, etc to a keyboard is ridiculous. Nobody wants to play a game where taking a turn requires three different inputs and taking it too hard results in your wings shearing off.

I would play a lot of games if they were more focused on realism. I would get back into Payday 2 if they added leaning, ballistics and made the AI actually coordinate with each other. I would get back into Wildlands if preparation meant anything and the enemies were equipped like a cartel, rather than minigun trucks and unusual rifles everywhere while the realistic choices (FALs, Sterlings, M16s) are rare one-off finds the AI never carry.

Alright boys what’s your favorite tank in your lineup right now and what new tank are you grinding towards?

Running with the brits right now in the 4.7-5.7 BR range with my fav is surprisingly the Cromwell w/57mm gun over my Sherman Firefly. It’s so damn fast and the 57 can most shit it comes across. Grinding towards the Comet for dat sweet APDS round currently.

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>USSR would be a muuuuuuch better faction
Isn't War Thunder famous for buffing Russian tanks and planes well beyond the confines of reality? I don't really play the game, but that seems to be the consensus of a lot of the memes I see made about it.

Whem did that happen? When I quit a few years back it was the exact opposite.

I played for about three years and then stopped two years ago. I'm aware of how much things have changed and expanded, but I think the entire thing is forever ruined for me due to how shitty the experience became. Gaijin was getting way too greedy and I was getting tired of the balance issues, inconsistency with repair costs, and the entire BR system that actively let certain nations/vehicles shit all over their competitors. If any of that still exists then I can only imagine that things have gotten worse with the addition of post-WW2 vehicles.

>Gaijin was getting way too greedy
I swear there were patches where almost all of the new vehicles were premiums... Fucking disgusting.

I have fifty five hundred fucking hours in this game, and the answer is no. No. I unsinstalled earlier this year after I saw the content additions and finally pulled the plug on the little hope I had left. The last half dozen or so updates have been the same shit
>Small handful of aircraft and tanks
>Half of which are premium
>A quarter are power creep high tier grind bait
>A quarter are just random shit spread THINLY between every other nation and tree.
Jap boats are a fucking joke. Boats are a joke. Delegating ANY fucking resources to boats was a waste of time. FUCK warthunder.

are you retarded? the russians have the best tanks in the game. they aren't even giving the abrams its DU inserts yet so it gets instakilled by everything.

I played it off and on for the last two years. In my experience this meme comes from the fact that the Soviets are really good in the early tiers in both air and ground.
In the air they have the best biplane and the first monoplane tier, for turn fighting, which is all anyone knows how to do at those tiers.
On the ground you get the early model t-34 very quickly, and it dominates over everything at its tier.

But in both tech trees, the soviets quickly fall behind. Soviet aircraft are garbage after the first few battle ratings, and the t-34 has a terrible gun and pretty weak armor that doesnt improve much at all untill mid to late war tanks like the T-34-85, which still has the same hull armor and only an improved turret and gun. meanwhile the germans and americans and japs have shit you cant penetrate and awesome accurate railguns while you still have the small gun t-34 with minor improvements (theres like 4 levels of t-34 with the same shit gun, while everyone else is improving)

DCS is for realism. War thunder is for mindlessly flailing about for an hour or two.

Early on into the ground forces they had T-34s with like double the amount of armor and they only changed it after multiple people posted it on forums. Other tanks were hindered in the dumbest ways, one which comes to mind was the Tiger H1 originally having a driving/marker light sticking up on the right corner of the hull and gun had to elevate to traverse over it (this was fixed but the simple fact they originally put it in hints to the fuckery they were trying.) There were other little things that kept adding up to be big hindrances.

Many Soviet planes had "in development" flight models which allowed them to be UFOs.
It seemed like everything Soviet was immediately better in most cases because it didn't have distinct drawbacks like other nations and the things where the Soviets really did struggle are not modeled in the game.

It really felt like it wasn't worth it to be flying anything other than USSR or UK and not worth it to be driving anything that wasn't USSR.

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Actually fuck it no it wasn't just the shit updates, it was their shit fucking launcher and dev server updating without fucking asking every other day while I was in the middle of playing good games. It was the absolute dog shit moderation teams that kill any player interaction. It was every attempt they make over the years to move away from a "simulator" game and in to a pure arcade game. It was them losing sight in caring about their fucking product, either through lies and deceit from their close moderation staff, or through pure incompetence and greed. It was the fact that I spent seven years playing a game and seeing it a shell of it's former self with each update forcing them to sell it as THIS IS THE NEXT NEW BIG THING because they fucking KNOW the game is going to be dead in a year or two and they want that last little bit of pocket change secured for whatever project they nuke next.

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Meh. I like the grind and it is so fun to see the progression in planes and tactics. I find fun in biplanes and jets. 4.0-5.0 planes are fun as fuck.

There's a difference in grinding to simulate technological advancements & new modifications and having to grind for the ability to carry repairs or put out a fire. It got to the point where I was surprised Gaijin wasn't making players unlock and pay for fuel.

>In both tech trees soviets fall behind
>fall behind
Aircraft:
Yak3p
Yak9t
Yak9u
Yak9ut
Yak3Vk107
I-185M82
I-185M71
I-225
La5fn
La7
La7b20
La9
Yak-23
Mig15bis/Mig17/Mig19 (only truly outclassed by the t-2 otherwise absolute shit stompers)
Ground forces I have played far less of but the t-44s are both excellent tanks. Russia high tier heavies have been absolute bullshit for nearly 4 years now. The only thing that makes Russia feel it's ass is America's heavy line at 6.7 and the high tier power creep that makes all nations suffer.
Nigga you have not been paying attention to russia at fuckin all

The game has gotten worse but if you are somebody like me with level 100 and rank 7 and 6 for every country you can’t just quit. It’s an addiction and somehow for some reason I grind out the top tier vehicles but don’t play them that much.

t.G*rman leo2a4 whale
It's 2014 tier whale cope because they're getting stomped on low levels by APHE but Germans and Americans buy so much packs gaijin is pretty much forced to make them viable

The Soviets have a huge weakness from around 1941 to 1944-45. Reaching the t-44 takes endless hours of suffering in outclassed t-34s. It gets a little better at the t-34-85 but that tank still has shitty hull armor and everyone else at that tier is thicker.

I distinctly remember that getting out of that original open cockpit monoplane, all the low tier laggs and migs are garbage slow and cant turn for shit. you end up fighting P-47s, BF109s and Spitfires in total garbage boxes.
It doesnt really matter if later tiers can compete, because the planes i just listed have much larger ranges of competition and matchmaking, and dont require as much grind.
Anyway i deleted it and im never playing again.

I said making the planes realistic, maybe even the progression by taking out the shitty prototype and captured planes and only having main mass produced planes. I think that the mouse aiming controls are fucking great and more sims should have them.

Yeah but DCS costs a ton, is less usable without a joystick, and i do like, as badly implemented as it is, the progression from pre-war, through early, through late, through post war jets. I only wish that instead of BR balancing the matches were made by accuracy of the year.

I think one of the main issues i could say with the game is that after i unlocked the first 2 american jets, the P80A and the F80C, after getting a kill in RB, which is hard considering its pretty much a shit plane compared to its BR, i still lost money if i had to repair it. Not by much, but getting a single kill wasn't easy with that plane in RB and i needed to do more just to not lose money. Goes to show how much gaijin cares about balance.

I started playing air sim mode recently, it's much better than air RB which is mostly awful, many planes that are underwhelming in RB are great fun in sim mode. Anyone else here play air sim mode?

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Not that user but I had the opposite experience. I felt like I had to work for every kill I got in a German or American plane. Much of the time it was just completely countered by a Yak, La, or Spitfire being thousands of feet above me even after I spent like 10 minutes climbing on the side of the map at the start. While it wasn't just the Soviets with bullshit planes, I will say that I could hop into something like the Yak-1 or 3 variants and rack up multiple kills despite having only 200mg and 150 cannon rounds of ammo total. Soviet planes were incredibly forgiving and allowed even a fairly crap player like myself to do good.

It felt similar with Soviets tanks but I only got through the first couple of T-34s there and at the time most tanks from the USSR, Germany,and USA felt pretty evenly matched with the T-34, Pz IV, and M4, respectively. Highest I got on the tech trees were the Tiger and Panther for Germany....I was getting brutalized nearly every game by tanks designed specifically to counter mine. It was by that point, and when there were no longer tank specific battles, I left.

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I did until i got my ass whooped to me by people with a joystick. After that i was just losing SL and not having fun.

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Its a grindfest designed to get you to pay exorbitant amounts of money for a game that hasn't had decent quality of life improvements in years. I wouldn't touch the damn thing, besides, if I want realism I'll play DCS or IL-2.

Sounds like you were playing RB for air, which i never did.
I did play RB exclusively for tanks. What happens is the T-34 is great in the 1940 model, because it eats PzIII and early model PzIV, and it can frontally pen the M4A1. But the 1941 model starts seeing PzIV with the larger gun, and the M4A2. The T-34 can pen the PzIV F, but it usually takes multiple shots to kill due to the small shell. It cannot pen the M4A2 frontally. Both of those tanks can pen the t-34 and have a bigger gun, with better ballistics.
The t-34 goes through 3 or 4 models with that same low velocity gun that has terrible ballistics making it impossible to shoot long distance, meanwhile the PzIV F has a laser cannon and the M4A2 and up can almost ignore the t-34 unless it gets behind them.

This isnt even touching on nonsense like the chi-nu or Puma.

but whatever, never playing again so i should get over it.

Yes, it was RB for air I usually played. I had a joystick but stupidly tried to use it for Arcade and RB, and did so for a long time before switching to the mouse controls. Only tried air sim a few times.
I was enjoying tank sim battles until they forced aircraft into it. After that there was no reason to not just play RB so I could at least use the planes. The same gun on multiple T-34s was kind of crappy after a few variants but I don't remember too many specific problems so long as I avoided engaging higher level tanks frontally.

Watched some videos of the recent tests and patches just because they were coming up in my YouTube feed. It looks fucking disgusting with helicopters now. People being able to play an entire game of "tanks" without ever using a ground vehicle and still place first.

>Its a grindfest designed to get you to pay exorbitant amounts of money for a game that hasn't had decent quality of life improvements in years.
In their defense it's logical to try and grab as much cash as they can before catch up to current vehicles, they only get to do it once then they have to work on other things which people won't hurl money at like they do for new vehicles. It's still very annoying though.

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I wanted to bitch about repairs, jewery, memes like americans vs germans in 20km sized maps and the inherent weaknesses that presents, FOTM memes like F8F/LA9 back when I played, but frankly it's a f2p game and I just ain't got the drive to put up with that shit anymore

"lmao play as a hampered inferior seal to be clubbed to unlock the ability to put out a fire" nah nigger, miss me with that shit, miss me with the entire god awful f2p model.

Do you think 20km is too small or too big compared to historical accuracy?

Best strat for the Comet is to play like a bitch because everyone that looks at you will fuck you up. Also you have 20 smokebombs which is nice.

I don't know. At-alt starts are already a thing, but it's just a sort of game that will ever be sufficiently fun and fair--any of those historical game modes like Stalingrad or whatever where it's Lagg-3's and I-16s getting to face 109 F4/G-2's show that historical accuracy goes out the window when you get stuck in the people's interwar fighter that wasn't meant to face the other side's cutting edge best. Turn's out losing isn't fun.

>US teams full of retards who lawnmow or play B-17s cuz that's what america did inna warrr hurr
>that one event where you start at-alt escorting bombers rolls around
>the humble BR 3.7 P-47s and BR 5.0 51's get to absolutely fucking manhandle kurfursts, D-series FW, Me-262s and Me-410s

I think I'd much rather play IL-2 instead, at least that would solve the 'gotta go to space' mindset anyway. WT being a F2P game just means I have to suffer a thousand annoyances to demolish my fun. That and to be frank I have no idea how to play tanks. Everyone hill-humps and corner camps and takes aimed precise shots at this one pixel where your 500mm of armor is reduced to 10mm because of course it is that's just some plexiglass the driver looks out of! But more seriously, I never bothered to learn.

tl;dr blog.

>outclassed t-34s
>mfw
Nigga the T-34 rapes in its early variants and stays highly competitive all the way through. Hell, the T-34/85 is damn agile and fast you can flank hella easy and 1 shot everything from the side with APHE rounds. Try fighting T-34s with a 75 Sherman or panzer 4...generally doesn’t end well

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Idk i play 4h a day for a year since my comeback and it seems ok to me i get 4k/d per matches and since new economy changes game seems resonable when it comes to grind

Comet is a fun tank but no reverse speed. Keep moving forward.
Stabilized guns on the 6.7 Brits are nice but you will be wishing for a round with HE filler sometimes.
Skip the Tortise. Wasted a weekend upgrading it because OCD.
Beer_Gut_Boomer is game handle also.
I think I hate French auotloaders more than IS Soviet heavies.

>T-34/85
oh boy those fuckers

Maybe they fix it but it doesn't really make a difference. They fuck it up when the game got popular.

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F22 Lightning III and the original Sturmovik want a word with you.
In the back alley

>he doesn't play below 3.3 BR

Enjoy unbalanced shit fag

>what is a flight stick

Also people like you clearly have no interest in flying in the first place so why would you even bother trying to play anything close to a flight sim, only to bitch about the basic fundamentals of realistic flight?

I would consider playing again if they give bombers their own PvE game type you can actually grind in and removed them from most PvP air battles.

>Alright boys what’s your favorite tank in your lineup right now and what new tank are you grinding towards?


AMX-13 because it's cute. The real slayer is the M4A4 (SA50) in the 4.7 lineup with the M4A1 (FL10), and AMX-13 (FL11) though.

I'm not grinding anything because I ground out everything for France. I'm waiting for the Leclerc now.

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I loved using the zis 30 and zipping around the map and hiding in spots bigger tanks can't hide in and taking potshots at people at higher tiers

The comet is a fucking beast when you get APDS, just like cromwell
Right now I'm running mainly cent mk 1 and comet to grind my brits up to the cheiftain.

I have germans unlocked up to br 10.0 but fuck top tier, it sucks in every way imaginable.

>Maybe even change the gamemodes so that instead of PvP its more like their operations campaign about taking territories?

Warthunder literally has a game mod like that you stupid cunt.

>world war mode
literally the biggest joke of a mode gaijew has ever come up with

I'd rather have a mode that actually combines air and ground forces properly, instead of the planes tacked onto ground forces as they are currently. CAS in ground forces is just pure cancer and always has been.

Too much of a time sink, I'm getting old, need to be making money in the real world, and not shouting at Zoomers though my headset.

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>I was surprised Gaijin wasn't making players unlock and pay for fuel.
You know I was about to make a joke about players paying for fucking ammo, and then I realized that players DO pay for ammo, its just a nearly-hidden cost because its auto-replenished at the end of each match.
Also, played a 5.0 match last night.
>5 kills
>2 assists
>2 deaths
>18,000SL reward
>13,000SL repair/rearm
Its unnatural now much the repair costs for the tiers go up - once you get past 5.0 it's nearly impossible to make money without premium. Its insanity.

It’s almost like they want you to pay them irl money for premium

Pretty much this unless you just want to play the low tiers which is respectable. If you actually want to play the game and grind you have to look out for that 50 percent off sale where you can get premium for around 40(?) dollars for the year.

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Even if you're willing to pay money for premium so you can grind to top tier I'd say it's not worth it.
The gameplay at top tier is utter trash, it hasn't been at all balanced for over a year, CAS is worse than ever at that br range, repair costs are through the roof and all of the maps/objectives were clearly not designed to accommodate modern vehicles.

The absolute max br that's worth playing is around 8.7, even then I'd say up to 5.7-6.7 is all that's really any good.

ATGMs are what absolutely ruined the game for me. I'll never even bother getting above 7.0 for that specific reason.
>Launch ATGM
>Keep mouse on target from behind cover
>Get kill, maneuver to new overlook position
>Rinse. Repeat.
Wow. Such gameplay. Many difficult.
You got me there.

ATGMs aren't so prevalent now at ~8.7.
At top tier though you have helis which fire ATGMs, and those are pure cheese
>Fly 3km up in the air
>Launch ATGM
>Keep mouse on target who can't even shoot you back, literally just sit there and don't even move
>Rinse and repeat until someone gets enough spawn points to bring a plane out

Hopefully the new SAMs will sort that garbage out, but chances are they'll just bring more imbalance. Gaijin are totally incapable of balancing top tier.

Same mate. 2000 hours later and my life was crumbling.

Something like this. The real tragedy is that british bombers are great fun until you get to the lancaster. The lancaster was a great night bomber, but every single match is in the day so you just gey screwed 6 ways to sunday.

Well that's how ATGMs work.

You ever see footage from Syria?

Attackers get absolutely raped by ATGM spam, because the sand niggers don't do proper reconnaissance before an attack.

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>literally the worst grind in any game ever
yeah nah wouldn't play it no matter what OP

This. It seems decent and fun but fuck spending 400 hours just to get some decent shit. I've got a life.

The big problem with War Thunder ground forces is that it has the same issue that World of Tanks does, but amplified. In both, the game rewards you for being a passive player, sitting back and just taking long range shots. Except in War Thunder, you spend 5 minutes driving to the battlefield on some maps

I actually wouldn't mind War Thunder if getting anything halfway fun didn't require exactly two and a half million years of grinding.

>The t-34 goes through 3 or 4 models with that same low velocity gun that has terrible ballistics making it impossible to shoot long distance, meanwhile the PzIV F has a laser cannon and the M4A2 and up can almost ignore the t-34 unless it gets behind them.
That's when you get access to the KV-1 and it's retarded armor that can only be penned through the turret ring. Also don't forget the soviet stalinium fuel tank armor that absorbs any shell at any range and doesn't even cause a fire half the time from filler shells because "lel dey had duh diesel tanks" while every other country's tanks catch fire from indirect hits from solid shells.

the flight models and balance of the nations was fucking fine 3 to 4 years ago.
I quit because theres more OP inaccurate bullshit with every patch and a wide nerf of an entire nations air tech tree.
I couldnt take the back and forth re learning the game every patch.

it's sad because it's a fun fucking game realistic air battles is a good stop gap when I dont want something as realistic and drawn out as DCS, but the company controlling the game or rather the balancing team just does not know what the fuck they are doing so i quit a few weeks ago after getting back on after 2 years.

See

I play it regardless

yup I remember a time when WT was pretty

very funny
the game is still shit

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the t34-85 can still bounce retarded shots

If they actually made dedicated fucking servers for fucking console users and just made crossplay between PlayStation and Xbox users and separate console players and pc players then i would give that piece of shit game a try again but fuck gaijin and their cheapskate bullshit worse than armored warfare

You obviously did not spend nearly enough time learning how to use the advantages given to you by your aircraft and tanks. The T-34s may have "weak"er armor on paper but in practice they will bounce most shells when angling properly, their guns are strong as fuck against anything but the m4a3e2 (the most undertiered tank in game) and the aircraft you listed only the first laggs are "bad". Your experiences are valid, however your opinion is not solely based off of how obvious it is you did not dedicate the time needed to learning your vehicle.

Well you either go full fucking realistic milsim where you have the option to have literally any counters to these systems based on what you've researched and what vehicle you're using, or you realize that youre playing a fucking video game and there has to be some balance.
As-is I cannot fucking understand why my Tiger II (H) is going up against fucking goddamn BMPs, T-54s, Conquerors, STB-1s, Type 60s, and AMX30s.
It's completely bonkers and nonsensical as fuck. Theres no fucking reason for it, and theres no counter to it other than simply sitting at spawn and hoping your team wins. But, oh wait, ATGMs can just shoot into your spawns because in many fucking maps made for >7.0 the spawns are so horribly laid out you have a clear point of view of everyone as soon as they spawn in.
Its retarded, and there is no fucking reason for it whatsoever other than Gaijin wanting to sell people on cool new murder machines that get downtiered constantly because theyve ALSO fucked up the matchmaking.

Fuck off casual. I like the console players on pc servers, it makes for easy lions

I'm playing rn lmao

I'd play if it was less of a grindfest, it took me 700 hours but now I want nothing to do with it

I stopped playing about 200hrs in because it was such a fucking grind. I only wanted to play with the cold war era vehicles, not shit from WW2. I like their armor system even though it's wonky, no other game has anything like it.

arcade or realistic?

>and all of the maps/objectives were clearly not designed to accommodate modern vehicles.
This. I didn't knew much about it because they had a korea an afghanistan and a vietnam map but it did seem so damn odd to me that it takes seconds of straight flying to meet your enemy airbase. I thought as you go higher in the BR you should have bigger and bigger maps. Everyone complains but the english-french channel map which is the biggest one in the game yet is one of my fave ones because i can actually climb as an american.

Tiger niggers get what they deserve

I go through phases with War Thunder. About a week ago I got fed up with the "balance" in air RB (because flying my p-39 against 2 or 3 captured p-47s is fair) and got back into WoT instead. Their air game is stupid casual, their tank game is more structured, and their boat game is just overall better done. I'm sure I'll go back to War Thunder, just not for a little while.

So if I want to get into tonks, are there any good casual tank sims? I think I once tried a demo of some Steel Armor but it ran like shit on my old craptop and didn't have the patience to set up the controls.

i guess the best you can go for is Arma or Op Flashpoint. DCS had an armor vehicles versions but i heard that it wasn't that good.

the T-34 early models are great for running flanks, very much a hit and run, trying to slug it out with a contemporary PZ. IV model is generally a death sentence though, because the PZ IV G and H models can punch a neat little hole straight through your front plate out to 650m most of the time. I love the PZIV with all my heart though, despite its dozens of design flaws. I play soviet tanks on xbox and german on the PC. have to say, german tanks are better at range than soviet stuff, but the soviet tanks have an advantage close up because of the fuckery you can get away with using the sloped armor.

PS. FUCK M10's

>video game and there has to be some balance.

WHat's the point of balance in a video game you fucking retard?

The whole POINT of having DIFFERENT weapon systems is they have key advantages and weaknesses so that you can play to their strengths and develop strategies.

You sound like a World of Tanks homosexual. Go play with your hitpoints, kiddie.

IL-2 Tank Crew looks decent. Panther Elite Action is more arcadey but fun.

This is what I, the original user complaining about the T-34, experienced.
T-34/1940 and 1941 are really good. Once you start engaging PZIV with the long gun, or m4a2, you’re entirely dependent on mobility and surprise, and you can’t get into a long range engagement. But there’s like 3 more levels of t34 where not much changes but the enemy gets much stronger.
The long gun t34 (the small caliber one, not the 85) is much better at long range, great trajectory, but has really bad damage and a slower reload.

Basically I realized it was far better to play at lower br and just enjoy the battle, than to grind and try to advance through garbage.

nothing like going up against a kvs and is1s with a 75mm Sherman.

C'mon now. "Balanced" and "the same" are two different things. You'd have to be a retarded thirteen year old to fail to understand that. You're not a retarded thirteen year old, are you? Of course you're not, so stop behaving like you are. When different things have different strengths AND weaknesses, so that the guy who can figure out the proper way of using what he has against what the enemy has wins over the guy who doesn't, and everyone has a fair chance of figuring that out... Well, that is balanced. But when one guy gets the advantages, and the other guy gets the weaknesses, so the latter doesn't really have a fair shot at developing an effective strategy any more than the guy trying to chase off an A-10 with musket volleys then that's bad balance. Now notice how the balanced scenario is the one that's like what you described as being good, and the bad balance scenario is not.

So I hope you didn't mean "World of Tanks homosexual" as an insult, because it seems you're one yourself. Or, you know, a retarded thirteen year old who hasn't learned how to behave in public yet.

T-29, T-34, and T-30 for maximum amounts of Freedom and asshurt from shitviets and Krauts

Yeah you would say that because your a pc user whp plays on ultra low graphics settings and camps with a high power gun can snipe console players that are stuck with settings they cannot change and you can utilize fucking keywords for everything and keybind everything and hit pmayers easy with a fucking mouse on planes while they have to struggle with the fucked up button layouts.

Fuck you and fuck your crossplay no one likes crossplay with pc players except for pc players like you because it means easy kills for you and infuriating matches for console users. At least world of tanks know how to crossplay between old and knew consoles without crossplaying with pc and the fact they even made a dedicated servers for the console users and servers for pc users and even now have dedicated servers for console users and dedicated servers for pc users while keeping themseparate shows hoe to actually run a free to play game unlike the piece of shit game gaijin has theirs going because they are literally too goddamn greedy to fucking spend a few more money for separate servers between consoles and pc users.

You fucking elitist jackass.

>I only wanted to play with the big boy toys that are behind a pay/grindwall instead of shit that's readily available and actually fun

This is where you fucked up.

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no, the game is pure trash.
they pull the same shit that WG does with their fucking game.

Free game? nah, YOU are the product and unless you spend money on our shitty game then its not worth playing at all

Hoes mad

Headtracking is a much bigger advantage than simply using a joystick.