If the Roman Empire never collapsed and still existed today, what jets , tanks , ships , rifles...

This. I don't llike it when people ask questions like this because they are inherintly dumb. Of course they'd just keep adapting to modern tech and wouldn't look much different than anyone else. On top of that, there is no way that the Roman empire wouldn't have collapsed.

>modern day gladius
this I suppose

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>On top of that, there is no way that the Roman empire wouldn't have collapsed.

As an empire? No. But there could have been stuff like an independent kingdom or Republic of Rome continuing throughout the middle ages, if the Vatican had moved or been destroyed, it actually happened a few times
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commune_of_Romehttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Republic_(19th_century)

On top of that, the Byzantines could have held on to a rump state far longer if the Latins and Venetians hadnt been absolute fucking jews.

Oh, and Napoleon tried to make a new Rome too, see
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Republic_(18th_century)

Based flag too

>what colors would camouflage be?
purple, as to blend in with the grass and trees

they probably would use plaid as a proto-camouflage, but they wouldn't recognize the need for it, considering a post medieval Rome would have basically walled off Rome.

Rome probably would have developed plastics early but it would be rare and hard to get to during the Renaissance period equivalent.

the firearm development would most probably start with hand guns and shift to match locks just like they did in our timeline. with roman pragmatics, the use of more simple flint mechanism would take president. I suspect they would use .50 caliber muskets during their early industrial period.

because of the advancement of gun powder, you would see iron clad Quinquereme with multi barreled cannons and a USS Monitor like front-turret.

the fire arm would at first be an auxiliary weapon, but after auxiliary out performed the roman legionary and defended the emperor from a rouge legion, the legionaries would implement it as a primary weapon replacing the pilum as an engagement weapon. Armor would slowly become an afterthought as firearms would start to dictate a need for maneuverable and quick armies over dense heavy formations. the term "legionary" and "auxilia" would slowly start to imply ones role in the military rather than ones standing as a citizen. the Calvary poor roman system would favor this new kind of fighting leading to a massive expansion taking over traditionally contested lands like Scandinavia, Britannia, Germany, and Persia.

under roman governance, Islam would never become a thing and Christianity would instead form fractures under the Roman catholic system, there would be an east-west split with a more liberal but traditional("literal") east and a more conservative (pagan) but unorthodox west.

the roman empire would strain in this period to reach the far east, but solid contact would be made by fringe Providences. the Hun and mongol invasion would be stopped by fire arm wielding auxilia. the western silk road would be formalized under Rome.

>the term "legionary" and "auxilia" would slowly start to imply ones role in the military rather than ones standing as a citizen.

Jesus fucking christ user learn the whole story before blathering off

during their late industrial period they would switch to revolvers and lever-gate style firearms. rifling would develop just as it did in our timeline but it would be implemented as a preference of the solders not as a standard production requirement. into the early industrial period the Romans would finally develop the use of a compass and start their age of exploration. their ships would suffer a lot because of a lack on naval heritage, but slowly they would adapt first reaching southern Africa and swiftly conquering the continent.

Rome would know about the new world, but would unilaterally have little interest in it. the natives would have time to develop their technology a little more reaching the iron age before any formal western contact.

Roman ships would take after their predecessors and would feature a large front turret and heavy armor. they would be steam based ships with short ranges and considered floating fortresses. smaller bireme inspired ships would be used for fringe exploration and would feature no such turret emphasizing the use of hand held firearms to repel boarders and a fron mounted and unprotected breach loading rifled cannon.

semi automatics would develop as a long stroke piston but with a forward recoil system rather than a compression spring, it would look like a cross bow at first. they would develop interchangeable tubular magazines that would use a constant force spring rather than a compression spring.

the development of automatic firearms would come as result of poor workmanship and basically be a normal rifle than has a funny spiral tooth tube magazine that looks like the lower jaw of a Helicoprion.

Ok I like the thought you put into this but a few things come to mind:

>they probably would use plaid as a proto-camouflage
I think camouflage would develop more or less the same way it did in our world. It wouldn't look or have the same name of course, but they would wear some kind of wooded pattern in Germania and some kind of desert pattern in Syria etc. And until the 19th century they wouldn't really need it since it's difficult to hide mass formations.

>Rome probably would have developed plastics early but it would be rare and hard to get to during the Renaissance period equivalent
Seems legit to me

>the firearm development would most probably start with hand guns and shift to match locks just like they did in our timeline
But that's not how firearms started. Artillery was the first to benefit from gunpowder. Handhelds happened later. That's how I'd expect it to happen. Ballistas and Catapults get replaced with Canons and mortars.

>you would see iron clad Quinquereme with multi barreled cannons and a USS Monitor like front-turret
Quinqueremes were grossly impractical for most duties outside of fleet battles even in their own time and basically served as a dick waving contest for the richest kings. Once Rome dominated the Med sea the need for these massive and expensive line ships virtually dissapeared and triremes were the typical ships of the line. Even then those ships were only practical in the enclosed waters of the Med and Black Sea. They floundered badly in the open waters of the North Sea and the Roman ships that went back and forth to Britain were entirely different designs. By the mid to late Empire the Roman warship had changed significantly towards ships like the Dromon type galleys that dropped the ram and added lateen sails. Expecting canon armed quinqueremes would be like expecting the US navy to use Ironclads with helipads on top as aircraft carriers.

I would wager Roman naval strategy in the early modern era would focus on large capital ships. They're the largest empire around. They know they can outspend their opponents 10/1 and use that advantage to make sure their fleet always comes into the fight with bigger and better ships. I would also bet they'd retain strong marine complements and focus on boarding and capturing ships if possible. This may end up resulting in splitting their ship classes between their main ship of the line class used to pound enemy fleets with cannon fire and small fast boarding craft that drop corvus ramps and swarm troops onto enemy ships while they're focused on the Roman line

the roman empire does exists. it's called the United States of America. It's bigger today than it ever was... Eagles, Stars, Bath houses and all.

Both of you are still making the mistake of assuming Romans would develop ships to fight other ships when the two other big, organized players, the Persians and the Chinese, were reachable on land, and the barbarian cultures foccused on fast, light raiding vessels. Military development is oriented towards what needs to be accomplished, and after dealing with Carthaginians, pirates, Vandals and the odd Dane on a river, the main need Romans would have would ve ocean worthy, speedy vessels to escort merchant fleets down the red sea, around the horn of Africa, into Arabia and India.

They might end up Developing early Caravels and Frigates, but the Ram focused, multiple rower line, shallow hull litoral galleys would be fucking gone before the empire even reached it's peak.

I'm fully aware how cannons developed I was talking about handheld firearms, as in fire producing armaments like a sword or spear. a cannon is referred to as siege equipment or artillery.

I actually don't think they would use firearms in places like Syria as it would prove moot because of the range and effectiveness, they would favor identification. but in places like Germany they would naturally developed because of all the ambush points and constant guerilla warfare. since the norther troops often used plaid they would attribute it to having mythical properties.

for a complete naval history I would literally use the naval history on Venice.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_navy

>the fire arm would at first be an auxiliary weapon
Makes sense

>but after auxiliary out performed the roman legionary and defended the emperor from a rouge legion, the legionaries would implement it as a primary weapon replacing the pilum as an engagement weapon.
That's an oddly specific scenario but regardless you're correct that over time the firearm would go from being a specialty auxiliary weapon to the main weapon of the army. I'd say at this period legionairies would be in the role of line infantry with auxilia troops taking on the role of specialists like early riflemen, Hussars, and other irregular roles. Legionairy cavalry would probably become dragoons around this time.

>the term "legionary" and "auxilia" would slowly start to imply ones role in the military rather than ones standing as a citizen
Eh I think there would always be a distinction between citizen soldiers and foreign troops. Call it what you will but citizens would form the core of the army while non-citizens filles in specialist roles based on the abilities of their people (Syrian Skirmishes, Batavian irregulars, Persian Lancers, Arab raiders) just like they always have.

>the Calvary poor roman system would favor this new kind of fighting leading to a massive expansion taking over traditionally contested lands like Scandinavia, Britannia, Germany, and Persia
I agree that firearms would (and did) severely fuck cavalry centric nations like the Mongols and give the field to infantry based armies. Thus it stands that the Romans would win big while the Persians and Scythians would get fucked. That being said I don't thing they would expand into all these areas you claim they would. Germania has the benefit of shortening the frontier significantly, and the fertile crescent would provide a great tax base and bread basket. But there's no reason to conquer Scandinavia and trying to hold the Persian heartland beyond the Zagros mountains would be a nightmare.

I'm turning on my trip to keep our posts from getting mixed up
These are all mine

God another one

The Constitutio Antoniana was a thing, the Romans extended citizenship to everyone as early as Caracalla. There was no distinction between Legion and Auxilia because there was no distiction between Roman and Peregrini, nor between Pleb and Patrician, only Latifundi and Proletarii.

The Roman army was divided in Limitanei and Comitatenses, not Legio and Auxilia, Foederati were also mostly done away with.

>what jets , tanks , ships , rifles , pistols would they have used.
None. The Romans had centuries to come up with an Industrial Revolution, and they never did, nor would they have with a few more centuries to try. They were perfectly satisfied with the system of having massive armies of slaves do everything, and had no desire to free them and use something else to get things done instead.

You stupid fucking nigger do you think Rome circa 720BC looked the same it did 476AD? Do you have any idea how much progress happened throughout that time?

It would be for internal civil wars between rival factions and pirates. they wouldn't have a strong navy which is why I stated they wouldn't develop the compass as a naval tool until the industrial age. they probably wouldn't invade china, but would clash with India. given their poor success, they would look at africa as their next area of expansion.

because of the general attitude of lower Africa against rapid development they would be crushed by any roman troops that could get south of the Sahara. this would be boosted by naval developments in the industrial age leading to the complete engulfment of Africa.

Asia would remain isolationist. the new world would not advance very quickly and stay around the iron age for far too long reaching the early classical technology as Rome was entering mechanized warfare and the modern era.

Rome would suffer from constant internal warfare which would lead to its need for weapons, certain regions would form independent "lost Providences" were the culture is "Roman-esk" but they have an independent emperor. Rome would remain the seat of Power but the empire would have about five emperors,

the northern emperor, who governs Gaul(northern France), Germany, the Baltic, Scandinavian, and Britannia, as well as the recently discovered Iceland.

the emperor proper of Rome who controls southern Gual, Spain, Northern western Africa, Italy, and the western Mediterranean.

the emperor proper of Eastern Rome who controls Greece, Turkey, Egypt, and basically everything south of the caucus and west of Persia.

the emperor of southern Africa who controls all of southern Africa.

the emperor of the far east who controls everything east of Persia AKA India

the emperor of Rome and eastern Rome would mutually recognize their claims and be considered the only two legitimate emperors, but Rome proper would house the senate.

>You stupid fucking nigger do you think Rome circa 720BC looked the same it did 476AD? Do you have any idea how much progress happened throughout that time?
Yeah, Augustus found Rome a city of brick, and lest it a city of marble. But there still wasn't anything even close to resembling an Industrial Revolution, and no reason to think there ever would have been.

I was under the assumption of event changes at an earlier period

this is my first post for trip codeslatest

>under roman governance, Islam would never become a thing
Based

>Christianity would instead form fractures under the Roman catholic system
Hard to say actually. If there was a single Emperor who could enforce a single dogma for the whole Empire then you might get a universal Church. Or a dualistic Church with 2 differing but accepted interpretations instead of the 1000+ denominations we have today.

>the Hun and mongol invasion would be stopped by fire arm wielding auxilia. the western silk road would be formalized under Rome.
Huns would happened way before the firearm was developed even in the most optimistic circumstance. Mongols is a maybe. 12th century wasong before usable affordabel firearms in our timeline but if we assume no Dark Ages and continued advancement it's a possibility.

>during their late industrial period they would switch to revolvers and lever-gate style firearms
For officers only, or those who could afford it. Levergats were expensive. That's why the US army never adopted them. I think a levergat would be the Gucci thing a Legionairy would dump a year's salary on. Revolvers would be for officers.

>rifling would develop just as it did in our timeline but it would be implemented as a preference of the solders not as a standard production requirement
That doesn't make sense it's not like you can just rifle your own musket around the campfire. Smoothbore and rifled bores have totally different capabilities and units armed with a mix would have wildly different rates of performances

>their ships would suffer a lot because of a lack on naval heritage
Everyone has to start somewhere

>first reaching southern Africa and swiftly conquering the continent
THE ENTIRE CONTINENT? Not without trains and modern telegraphs they aren't. Communication would be impossible without it. And not worth it anyways. Much easier to just install local rules to enforce Roman interests.

the northern emperor would contest the western seat as its legitimate claim, but the seat would be formalized as a "governor of the western emperor" for all those lands.

the east would mostly incorporate the far eastern emperor as vassal with the eastern emperor having a more friendly but similar relation ship to northern and western Rome.

southern Rome would be like the red headed step child and answer to both Romes with everything else being a negotiation between east and west.

this would only last until rapid communication is developed.

all of Rome would send their senators to Rome proper.

> conquer Africa

they actually made some progress, but logistics were a problem, the roman military was well suited for the savanna and would probably get stuck at the Congo until logistic could be improved.

>Rome would know about the new world, but would unilaterally have little interest in it
That's highly conjectural and depends on the culture of the time, the Emperor in power, the stability of the Empire and other factors that are impossible to know

Everything else seems like it could happen even if the scenarios themselves are rather specific.

Great, I now want to fuck a fit and hairy legionnaire.

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>. But there still wasn't anything even close to resembling an Industrial Revolution, and no reason to think there ever would have been.

But there was. Production of military gear became centralized in very large factories called Fabricae. The production of commodities such as Garum, furniture, pottery, glass, cloth, etc was done on a semi-industrial scale, with the very first stages of the division of labor developing. They were learning how to use coin minting and debt management to control inflation and other market problems. They had figured out basic surgery and hygiene for medical procedures.

The Romans were a fucking stone throw away from discovering modern capitalism and thus free enterprise and industry, the Antonine plague and the Germans just ruined everything.

>Legionaries with carbines
>Ballistic shields with cutouts for gun barrels
>Testudo formations everywhere
>Battlefield consists of moving fortresses plowing through barbarian lines guns blazing

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Yeah I think we're in agreement on that. Ram ships faded even in the Middle Ages due to improvements in hull construction. The Roman Navy of the 10th and 15th Centuries would be primarily oceangoing and focused on protecting Merchan traffic

Oh ok sorry I was equating firearm with "weapon that uses gunpowder."

At first the bow would still be the superior weapon but the gun would pull ahead eventually. It would be the great equalizer of the East. For centuries the horse archers held sway with their powerful bows and lifelong training. Once firearms develop enough a Legionairy with 6 months of training could outrange and out penetrate a famed Persian archer

I contest that lever gats were expensive, I think the reason they dumped them was because they favored box fed mausers and basically had a hard on for German firearms. there were actually some legitimate candidates for lever-action in the same acceptance trials as the Springfield.

sic the youtube.com/watch?v=8ZmoJBRoIHQ

without competition the change from tube or cylinder to box doesn't happen.

What is the context of this picture?

ukraine civil war

>But there was. Production of military gear became centralized in very large factories called Fabricae. The production of commodities such as Garum, furniture, pottery, glass, cloth, etc was done on a semi-industrial scale, with the very first stages of the division of labor developing. They were learning how to use coin minting and debt management to control inflation and other market problems. They had figured out basic surgery and hygiene for medical procedures.
All of which was still done by hand, not by machines, which is what an Industrial Revolution involves. A bunch of people doing stuff by hand in the same place is not an "Industrial Revolution", for the same reason that a circa 1790 slave plantation is not the same as modern industrial farming.
>The Romans were a fucking stone throw away from discovering modern capitalism and thus free enterprise and industry
No they weren't. They liked their empire and their slavery-based system just fine, and had no desire to change it.

>Cannons become a mainstay if the testudo formation
>Eventually testudo formation is used mainly as regular transport protocol fir howitzers until tanks are developed

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>shows Romans a gun
>THIS IS MY BOOMSTICK!

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my thoughts, I accidentally said firearms when I meant camouflage.

with the first use of fire arms and access to large numbers of cheap solder Rome would steam roll traditional armies. this would also prove a boon to roman wallets.

it would boil down to a shit navy.

More or less this, testudo is made of multiple thin layers of tempered glass and high density polimers making it impervious to anything under .50 cal yet still able to sustain a good number of shots from bigger guns, bullet proof vests never appear, instead we have bullet proof lorica laminata, gladius comes back to use rather as a tool than main weapon as a kind of machete, pilum is replaced by rpgs with pilum tip shaped projectiles, pugio recieves a handle upgrade so it can be attached to any firearm, the galea recieves the same spring steel and kevlar treatment as the lorica laminata, caliga are the standar militar boots for most fields and campaings except airforce and winter combat, caliga have steel tips and rubber soles, those meant for non urban use can have hobnails or studs (like soccer shoes) depending on the specific of the terrain, also have snap in polycarbonate segmentated attachments to add aditional protection if necesary, shotguns are favourites for crowd control while assault rifles are bullpup as standar since the smaller form factor is greatly appreciated by legionaries, classic hair crests are used for parades while for combat crests are redesigned as optical attachments.

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>formation gets obliterated by a single mortar barrage
You know there's a reason that close-order drill is only used for ceremonial purposes nowadays, right?

AIM-92 as pilum?

Slavery declined steadily throughout the first century and by the third it practically wasn't a thing, it was more expensive to import and maintain them than to use low class labor of poor citizens in a patronage relationship with a land owning lord in proto-Feudal arrangements.

Slavery only blew up after the second Punic war, 200 years before the empire came to be, and it declined after the third servile war, almost half a century before. The Empire was never slave based, the sinews of it's economy were a wealthy, economically active middle class buying and producing higher value produce.

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LOL look dude if you're just going to deny reality, we can't have a conversation. Yes, slavery was HUGE in the Roman economy, pretty much from the beginning until it Christianized. Downplaying it is literal fake news.

>Rome
>lack of naval heritage

t. Learned everything he knows from RTW

Fucking brainlet. Is it 700fuckingBC? Rome bootyblasted the waves since the Punic Wars to like the 5th fucking century. I bet you think Roman cavalry was always shit, too. Just because Romans didn’t hold their navy in high regard culturally doesn’t diminish its effectiveness.

Read a book, you dumb nigger.

Modernized Black Shirts, but with less of a Turkish element.

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you should read more into context please read the whole post first.

>Black Shirts
Negative, Rome was a republic, not a fascistic shit-show, they are closer to a constitutional monarch than anything else.

writing:

era: Late Roman-Renaissance
Nero Silvanus Guttham
serving in the XVI Legio Gallica of the Emperor of Rome (northern Emperor).

the pretender on the throne in Rome has pushed into northern Gual. their axuillia tormenti(cannon) and Legionari diripio ("musketeer") have put on edge the emperor but the Legio DXI Frigga should provide needed reinforcements. their native long-ships have provided much boon to trade and should make their way south then around Hispana to southern Gual and after cutting off the western fleet land and cut off the pretenders. the emperor has employed a new kind of Diripo (rifle) that has a space we can insert charges into the breech and lock it in place with a lock. this should increase our rate of fire. many of the forward schola ("school," means squad in this usage) will however be equipped with the older Mosca (musket). the Vexalli (harassers) should soften them as they head north. the Equities report no change in their size or direction. this should keep the pretender locked in Rome.
[sample of what war would be like.]

Velites is best girl

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I imagine Italian guns.
AR70/90's for the main body of troops, legio and centurions and the like (all of whom have 92fs's), maybe some of the higher ranking units get M12 submachine guns so they don't have to lug around assault rifles everywhere.
And then you have the poor velites who would probably go into battle with surplus carcano's or M38 beretta's, maybe BM59's if they're lucky.

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this is a bersaglieri thread now

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>"During ancient Rome, it a common thing for female or not wearing anything under their dress or clothes. Other than slaves and any female who works under the suns are wearing loin cloth similar to diaper made from either cotton or leather.."

Imagine having your faces pushed against these sweet sweet smelly hairy Roman vaginas...

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I want to rub my face against a Roman girls abs

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I'm talking more of aesthetics and less about ideology. The Holy Roman Empire, briefly before it keeled over to modernization, ended up dressing like this, as did the likewise descendant Greeks and Italian Kingdoms. The Blackshirts' uniforms were more or less an evolution of the standard infantry uniforms of the 18th and 19th centuries.

It stands to reason Romans would stand out, not because they'd look anything comparable to the ancients of the classical world, but because they'd be dressing in long coats and belts long after everybody else moved onto fatigues.

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>Yes, slavery was HUGE in the Roman economy, pretty much from the beginning until it Christianized. Downplaying it is literal fake news.

Almost 200 years of it's history were Christian, and Slavery having negative side effects and being curtailed was one of the main causes for the first civil war. The veterans from the devastating wars against Carthage, Macedon, Pontus and the Seleucids were citizens who came back home to find their small plots of farmland in disrepair and debt, and were forced to sell them off to growing private estates of rich nobles and become urban poor. The Capite Censi lower class grew while the rich Latifundia owners grew richer, filling their lands withendless streams of foreign slaves. The bread dole for the impoverished Romans burdened the Republics' coffers and the social unrest of so much squalor and so many slave Revolts, such as Spartacus' third Servile war, lead to men like the Gracchi brothers, Marius and finally Caesar to bring down the Republic and pass laws such as law redistribution, reducing slave labor to favor employing free Romans, and rewarding veterans with land.

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Land redistribution*

The conflict between the actual lower class of Romans and the slaves defines the first century BC. But from Caesar and Augustus onwards, there is endless archeological evidence to show slavery plummeted, with tombs, urns, gravestones, inscriptions and documents showing freedmen or 'novus homo' becoming integrated in Roman society, the Romans began freeing their slaves en masse, preferring a system of family ties and clienteles to do business for the most part. Free slaves could become rich enough to buy expensive graves for their families, as the ones found in the Vatican's archeological collection show. Slaves could expect to be freed quickly and to work for their masters as a client to a patron instead.

Any good books/documentaries for getting a general overview of the Roman military? They're cool and I wish to know more, but holy fuck it's a broad topic and I have no idea where to start.

god i wish that were me

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Velites is daughter tier. I could never lewd her no matter how grown up she gets. But headpats and a trip to see the barbarian ripped apart by big kitties is definetly on the table.

Here's the official undisputable tier list:
Legate = Praetorian > Centurion >Triarii > Aquilifer > Legio > Equites > Hastati >Gladiator. Velites is not on the list for reasons mentioned above

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this is a good overview to get your feet wet. From there you can narrow your search to something you like

youtube.com/watch?v=3iz1_UwD2Fw

ya know what, fuck it. This thread is as good a place as any to post my writefagging. Here we go:

>be me
>Tribune Laticlavius
>that's broad striped Tribune for you non-latinate barbaroi
>basically there are 6 tribunes
>5 are drawn from the upper middle class and are just glorified secretaries with no real power or responsibility
>but us broad striped bros are different
>from the Senatorial class
>being groomed for high command and eventual command of our own Legion
>sometimes have actual responsibilities like leading a flying column or vexillation on detached duty

>fresh off the cart from Rome
>am told to report directly to my new commanding officer, the Legate of the Legio II Augusta
>enter headquarters tent, directed to Legate's office
>walk in and do my best impression of a legionary salute
>"TRIBUNES LATICLAVIUS user reporting for duty legatus Vespassiana"
>legate looks up
>oh sweet vestal virgins she a qt-π
>mid length wavy blonde hair
>deep blue eyes
>kek someone has some Northern blood in them
>gold chased custom cuirass
>hnnga I hope those tiddies are as firm and round as the cuirass implies
>she meets my gaze
>by Venus it's like staring into the waters of the Mare Nostrum on a summer day
>a mix of expressions runs across her face
>shock
>amusement
>barely contained laughter
>stoic composure reasserting itself
>"What in the Gods damned..."
>"what in Jupiter's name are you doing here boy"
>I flush with embarrassment and stutter out a reply as I hand her my written orders
>she reads my letter of introduction
>"you're joking"
>"YOU'RE my 2nd in command"
>oh yeah I should probably mention, I've spent most of my life reading philosophy and attending Greek plays at the Palace in Rome
>so I don't exactly have a "military look" about me
>smol_patrician_boy_aesthetic.fresco
>The legate shakes her head sadly
>"What is the Empire coming to"
>with visible annoyance, she confirms my orders as valid and has an orderly enter my name into the Legion records
>when that is finished she hands me a handwritten note with her official seal freshly pressed in wax
>"take this directly to the Primus Pilus (Chief Centurion), she will get you sorted from here"
>Yes ma'am, I say with a final salute
>huh, not how I expected my first day in the Legions to go
>fresco related

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>the great thing about Roman Fortresses is that they're all constructed the same so finding the Primus Pilus isn't very hard
>spot the transverse Crest of a centurion's helmet
>jackpot
>Primus Pilus is observing a parade ground drill and occasionally whacking legionairies back into line with a wicked looking vine staff
>notices me approach and turns
>blonde hair cropped short
>why are there so many fucking blondes in the Rhine Legions
>oh right, the Rhine Legions, duh
>light grey eyes
>Centurion's harness
>hips
>oh fuck not another girl
>getting made fun of by one qt a day was already too much
>I walk up and swiftly hand her the Legate's note
>she reads it
>she looks at me
>she reads it again
>looks at me again

Triarii centurii is my jam, imagine cuddling with her, kissing her abs and her scars.

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>looks at me again
>I can tell she wants to say something, but the purple stripe on my tunic makes her check her tongue
>even in the army, mocking a member of the Patrician class as a low born professional was a career ender
>instead she just gives me the most loaded eyebrow raise I've ever seen
>The Centurion seems visibly annoyed as she says
>"alright I'm Primus Pilus Marcella and I've been given the...honor of giving you the rounds and getting you into Legion fighting material. Follow me. Now."
>questioning our destination seemed a poor idea
>I hurried after her and struggled to match her pace, despite being taller by a reasonable amount
>I was quickly led to the quartermaster and equipment was drawn for me from the stores
>being an officer I did not get the standard equipment
>instead of the Lorica Hamata (chainmail) or Segmentata, I was given the cuirass, crested Attic helmet, and greaves reserved for officers
>the tunic and cloak were also of higher quality than average
>finally I was given a wooden practice sword and wicker shield
>"hey what gives? Why don't I get a real sword?"
>Centurion looks like she desperately wants choke me, or at least scream for a while, but can't due to rank
>"you get a real sword when you know how to use it. Not before"
>we leave the quartermaster, my arms trembling as I carry the heavy weight of armor, equipment, clothes, and weapons
>led back to the officers barracks near the Praetorium
>open the door to my now room
>it's Spartan compared to my home back in Rome but it's still better than the 4 man dorms of the ordinary legionaries
>as I step inside, Marcella says tersely
>"report to headquarters tomorrow morning at dawn"
>the room is plunged into darkness as she forcefully shuts the door, save for the window letting in the dying sun's light
Will things look up from here? Or have I just started the descent?
>tapestry related

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>I fall asleep almost instantly due to the long days journey
>when I awake, I put on my new uniform (not the armor, we're in a fortress on our side of the Rhine) and report to headquarters
>immediately shown in to Vespassiana's office
>"I will not be approving your position in my Legion at the current time"
>I'm sorry come again
>"ma'am this is a Senatorial appointment. Refusal to obey constitutes tre-" I say indignantly before I'm cut off
>"oh don't get your perfumed silk undergarments in a twist. You'll assume your position in 3 months"
>ok so what happens between now and then?
>"until that happens you will be on administrative leave"
>"in the morning you will report to headquarters and assist me with administrative duties"
>"at mid-day, you will report to the Primus Pilus and she will personally bring you up to the physical standards of the Legion...or..at least something that almost resembles it"
>"due to the dignities that rank affords, you will be trained privately, away from the other recruits"
>"you can imagine how thrilled the Primus Pilus was about that, so expect a brisk workout"
>"another caveat of rank is that it would be inappropriate for her to spar with you during weapons training"
>wait wut why
>"because the Primus Pilus is a low born professional and you are of Senatorial rank. If she bruises your smol patrician boy body in a sparring match and you complain to Rome, it'll end her career"
>"so after she shows you the basics of swordsmanship and close combat, you will report to me for sparring"
Oh boy. Some how I don't think this is gonna be as fun as the small tent in my tunic suggests

anyone interested in moar?

a man of exquisite taste and class indeed. Imagine falling asleep on the rock hard but still comfortable outline of her abs. For me though, it's Praetorian Centurii or Legate. I like my waifus with ambition

Put that shit on pastebin and keep updating with more or else you get crucified

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I would imagine them as praetorian guard and black-ops rather than main line infantry. Italian units are at the center of government and so are likely to be "presentation" units who have kick-ass gear but are lazy (mentally) veterans who spend more time politicking than combat.

I think the Roman empire would use .303 British ammunition in a constant force spring assisted, long-stroke powered, tubular/helical mag fed, roller lock semi auto/assault rifle.

some Italian guns

"SMG/light machine gun"
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I already have a pastebin but I want to update it to present before posting the dump. There's something special about reading the greentext ya know

>"Now, I have some supply reports to file with the quester, that should keep you busy for the rest of the morning"
>I take a seat at a smaller desk neatly pushed into the corner and go to work
>I may be underwhelming in other areas, but my upbringing has given me a good grasp of the written word and arithmetic
>for the next several hours, we each work on our tasks silently as the sun slowly ascends to its zenith
>after finishing a report I would occasionally sneak glances at Vespassiana when I thought she wasn't looking
>even when just doing paperwork in a safe fortress, I could see the firm muscles on her arms moving with every stroke of the stylus
>Gods I can only imagine what her legs are like beneath those greaves
>I start day dreaming and only barely manage to avoid getting caught when she looks over my way
>through the rest of the reports I can't stop thinking about those legs

>when midday hits, I give Vespassiana my completed work and leave headquarters to find the Primus Pilus
>Marcella is waiting in front of the Praetorium and she does not look happy
>without even acknowledging me she turns and begins marching down the Via Principalis (main road) towards the gate
>once outside, she turns to me
>"let's go for a run"
>and like that she's off at the trot, and I'm struggling to catch up
>10 minutes pass and we've now left the fortress outskirts and small village clustered around it
>ok getting kinda winded here Primus Pilus
>10 more minutes pass
>alright Marcella plz lets have a short breather
>10 more minutes pass
>holy fuck my side has never hurt so much in my entire life
>steps turn into stumbles
>with a final Herculean effort I pour the last of my energy out
>I will not fail Rome!
>funny thing is, I don't even remember tripping
>1 second I'm jogging down the road, the next I'm sprawled across the stones
>Marcella turns around and stalks towards me not looking even slightly out of breath
>"TRIBUNE user GET OFF YOUR PERFUMED PRETTY ASS OR I WILL PUT MY FOOT SO FAR UP IT YOU'LL BE SPITTING HOBNAILS"
>she knows she can't do that because of my rank
>I know it too
>but damn am I still fucking terrified right now
>I drag myself to my to my feet and put one foot in front of the other
>I make it another quarter mile before I collapse again
>we go through this 2 more times before Marcella calls a rest
>I stagger off the road and collapse under a nearby tree

>as I lay on my back panting, a skin filled with watered wine flies over and lands on my stomach, knocking the little wind I had managed to gather out of me again
>"don't gulp it all at once. You'll just throw it back up in 5 minutes"
>after what felt like only a few seconds but must have been close to 20 minutes, the Primus Pilus pulls me up
>I spend the next few hours doing, or at least trying to do some basic legionary exercises, while Marcella screams encouragement and insults in equal measure
>when I reach muscle failure in one area of my body, the routine is switched and a fresh muscle group is put to the test
>by the time we're ready for the return journey the sun is falling to the west
>the pace is slower, and I manage to stay on my feet for the most of it, but about 3/4 of the way my vision starts going blurry
>with a final step, I pass out
>I don't even feel the impact of the ground, or being lifted off of it several moments later
>I fade in and out of consciousness for the last stretch
>I am briefly stirred when I hear a door open next to me
>the next thing I feel is my body hitting the softness of a straw mattress
>I just briefly catch a glimpse of Marcella closing the door behind her as I black out again

I thik the senate has concluded, as long as you properly document the Empire as it should be and not as it was you will be spared the crucifixion.

I thought only the emperor was allowed to wear purple shit?

Praetorians were corrupt as hell and filthy rich so it fits

>ukraine
no such thing

Oh boy we need moar of this, plz gib us moar sempai desu