>President Trump approved military strikes against Iran in retaliation for downing an American surveillance drone, but pulled back from launching them on Thursday night after a day of escalating tensions.
>Officials said the president had initially approved attacks on a handful of Iranian targets, like radar and missile batteries.
>The operation was underway in its early stages when it was called off, a senior administration official said. Planes were in the air and ships were in position, but no missiles had been fired when word came to stand down, the official said.
What do y'all think, Is Trump just posturing, or did he really change his mind?
he's probably trying to trick Iran to attack first so the strikes will be even more justified.
Tyler Gonzalez
Same result as if we launched some token strike that did no long term damage. Minus the expenditure of millions of dollars of missiles.
If we're not going full cowboy, I'd prefer to not do it at all.
Kayden Garcia
He's giving them another chance it seems like. He immediately said Iran shot it down, the US Navy said it was over international airspace (and then the Iranian video confirmed it, going against their initial claims that it was over land), but then Trump went on to say "I think it was a mistake." [As in someone acting on their own without orders or understanding.] Should something else happen in the next few days and weeks then those strikes will be limited launched.
Anthony Gray
Its all political theater. Iran does this every year and every year we sail a ship up the gulf and sabre rattle as well. Literally nothing but a big expensive wank.
This time however the dipshits in the Airforce couldn't evade a surface to air-missile and it cost us a drone, Oh well just tax payer money right!?!.
This seems believable enough. I'm sure he realizes a war with Iran isn't going to be politically popular. Hopefully for everyone's sake, the IRGC got the message.
Benjamin Reyes
>Officials
really could do with some names here
Levi Garcia
>evade a surface to air-missile >with a big-ass drone >over international waters I don't think the operators are to blame here. Global Hawks are not meant to be a survivable platform.
Blake Ward
>NYT says someone told them Getting real tired of these jewish tricks
Jordan Morales
You may be right, i don't know enough about the drone to really comment. Chairforce should have perhaps known it capabilities better. All i know it was big and expensive.
Piloting drones have worse latency issues than you playing Fortnite with a server full of Indians.
Nolan Phillips
It's a large ELINT drone that's designed to use long-range sensors to track targets while remaining outside of potentially hostile air space. The US probably assumed Iran wouldn't escalate things by trying to shoot down an asset over international waters. If they had been trying to penetrate Iranian air space, they would've either used a stealth drone, or a really cheap one that could be a sacrificial lamb.
lmao Here’s hoping it contaminates the surrounding region
Owen Campbell
Drones in general aren't designed to be shot at, they aren't very fast or very maneuverable, they're meant to operate in permissive environments with no real surface-to-air threat.
Kevin Nguyen
>Trump calls off strikes >Iranian nuke plant explodes of it's own volition thats hilarious
Zachary Morales
What a well behaved goy :^) Care you elucidate why you hate iran so much buddy?
Thomas Mitchell
I’m not a huge fan of the Israelis either. I just want shit to escalate.
Landon Allen
based
Christopher Robinson
Good war on a nuclear power is stupid Dying for Saudi Arabia sounds shitty too
Jace Mitchell
>What do y'all think, Is Trump just posturing, or did he really change his mind?
I think he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. Look at Venezuela. Basically people like Bolton totally bullshitted (Or completely dropped the ball) on how easy it was going to be, how much of the Venezuelan military would support Guaido, etc.
Trump probably got completely fucking retarded advice from Bolton and Kushner on Iran while the military kept trying to explain to him that it wasn't going to go the way those morons were saying it would, just like the fuckup in Venezuela. I guess this time they finally got through, but who knows how soon that asshole Bolton and that fucking creep Kushner will get him to change his mind again. They were already so close, there's no way they'll stop trying.
Michael Watson
>Just avoid a missile lock with a fatass flying electronics platform >Just avoid torpedoes in your carrier
Lincoln Hughes
It's not going to be a war in the sense of troops and tanks. It would be like the 80's when the USN went after Iran's navy and any aircraft that were sent up to try to stop them. Only way it becomes something full-scale is if Iran does something very dumb like attack Israel, Saudi Arabia, or US bases in Iraq. Which would likely provoke a severe air campaign and ground attack. I don't think even the IRGC would be that dumb.
Kevin Gray
>i don't know enough about the drone to really comment >BUT I WILL ANYWAYS LOL
You are actual cancer.
Daniel Barnes
It doesn't matter whether wars are popular or not
Christian Johnson
>Iran >Nuclear power user, I...
Nolan Scott
>evade a surface to air-missile >a drone user, you may be retarded.
Thomas Russell
>I don't think the IRGC would be that dumb
This is a mossad false flag
Landon Ward
kek
Jason Price
>I think he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing retard.
Because originally the Iranians said they shot it down over land. Then they release a video showing the interception. youtube.com/watch?v=N1Q5VJB-N-k Look at 34 seconds at the map. The shootdown position they marked is exactly where the US said it was, over the water.
Parker Miller
Could be the Israelis taking things into their own hands. They did the same thing to Syria’s reactor back in the day.
Evan Evans
No, it isn't. Neither is you stubbing your toe on the coffee table the other day. This is elements of Iran's forces doing what they have threatened for a long time and over the past weeks with attacking tankers from various nations.
Jack Adams
>thinking the US military hyper-inflated Venezuela's currency and forced them to adopt socialism 20 years ago.
I give Trump credit for not going full neocon and invading. McCain's corpse is probably rolling over in his grave.
Gavin Long
Literally make a comment on the "political theater" that is the Iran/US situation and it's all Japanese kabuki theater bullshit something i can actually legitimately make comment on. DURRR he don't know about drones.
Mhh my sixth sense is telling me that you not only can't read but have trouble with "object permanence" as well.
Mason Baker
KYS shill
Easton Baker
Russia’s President Vladimir Putin warned the U.S. Thursday not to take military action against Iran following the recent downing of an American drone and attacks on oil tankers near the Strait of Hormuz.
Speaking on a televised call-in show, Putin said U.S. military action against Iran – which Washington blames for both events -- would be a “catastrophe for the region as a minimum" and trigger an escalation of hostilities with unpredictable results.
The comments came just days after the Trump administration announced that 1,000 additional American troops would be deployed to the Middle East.
Anyone know how many troops have been sent so far? I want an iranian refugee gf
I'm not sure about what claims they made at first, but both the Iranian foreign minister (on Twitter) and the US military agree it was shot down over the sea, close to Iranian territorial waters which would be Iranian air space. They disagree by a few miles.
>implying (((they))) don’t slightly move tables in people’s houses to demoralize whites
Andrew Long
You type like a retard and your original post was incorrect about this being a common occurance
Carson Ortiz
From many of the threads I was reading last night, it looked like the claims were originally that it was over Iran itself. Maybe it was a bad translation that the drone was over Iran and then shot as it exited back towards the Strait.
Aiden Price
>Common occurance Literally every year, i'd call that a fucking "common occurance". No need go full tilt retard.
I didn't say that about Venezuela at all, I didn't even imply it. I said that Bolton lied to Trump about the feasibility of the regime change plan or simply fucked up hard.
Why would you try to put those words in my mouth?
>I give Trump credit for not going full neocon and invading.
Trump isn't a neocon, he's a hardcore Zionist. Bolton is both.
muh 4d chess right?
Jackson Harris
>LITERALLY STATE you dont know what the drone can or cant do >disparage it for not doing something anyways
My sixth sense is telling me that you are an actual fucking retard.
Aaron Sanders
Russia won’t even sell them S-400s user. They’re not going to be giving them nukes.
Andrew Morris
>implying Bolton didn't go rogue and order the strikes in Trump's name
Robert Wood
>They disagree by a few miles. Yeah, but Iranians have the debris and pieces of it to prove it was over their territorial waters.
Christian Barnes
Except it doesn’t prove anything. The strait is 24 miles long.
James Anderson
Im in a world of shit anyways lets just restart everything and start from scratch.
Nicholas Thomas
Go to a recruiter of your preferred service and ask. They’d probably be willing to point you in the right direction, fitness wise.
Camden Harris
>Yeah, but Iranians have the debris and pieces of it to prove it was over their territorial waters.
Except they dont, the US have ships on site right now in the debris field.
Grayson Reed
of course it does! it proves it was on their side since they have pieces of it. US sent the shit immediately to recover debris too.
David Sanchez
>Except they dont, the US have ships on site right now in the debris field. There's zero news about the US retrieving anything. Iranians have it.
Carter Taylor
To be fair, the only news about the Iranians retrieving anything is an unsubstantiated statement and people posting pics from previous drone shoot downs.
Adam Cruz
>just like the fuckup in Venezuela
The fuckup where US troops are not in Venezuela?
>4d chess
Anyone but trump would have given us 4 years of the last 30. Bush was the same as Obama, would have been the same as Hillary or Bernie, or any other long term establishment politician.
And considering what he's done with the Norks, China, and Canada/Mexico. I'll give him the chance to fuck up and go into Iran.
Most likely we'll get some limited strike bullshit like Syria and Yemen and call it quits.
Lucas Walker
Better not be American ships in Iranian waters.
Robert Williams
>There's zero news about the US retrieving anything.
Except that is wrong and you are a nigger.
>The debris field from a U.S. military drone that was shot down by Iran is in international waters in the Strait of Hormuz, and U.S. naval assets have been dispatched to the area,
No, the fuckup where we attempted obvious regime change and failed spectacularly. Their goal was regime change, remember? Has the regime changed? Does the current opposition leader have a shot at accomplishing it? No?
That's what fuckup.
>Anyone but trump would have given us 4 years of the last 30. Bush was the same as Obama, would have been the same as Hillary or Bernie, or any other long term establishment politician.
You're right, the people in the last 30 years didn't behave nearly as erratically as Trump does.
Carson Sanchez
Has forced regime change from us ever actually improved anything? Besides the Japanese.
Connor Parker
>And considering what he's done with the Norks, China, and Canada/Mexico.
And I completely glossed over this shit. You're living in an alternate reality where all of that turned out as intended lol
Andrew Phillips
panama
Blake Reyes
Germany
Joseph Harris
I didn't say it would improve anything, I said that was their goal and that they failed spectacularly. That's called a fuckup.
Logan Wood
>This time however the dipshits in the Airforce couldn't evade a surface to air-missile and it cost us a drone, Oh well just tax payer money right!?!.
*Navy
Justin Barnes
Korea, for half of em.
Anthony Morgan
>attmepted regime change in Venezuela >by forcing them to print their own money into uselessness after adopting socialism 2 decades ago.
I get it, you think Trump is time traveling hitler.
>Trump not playing status quo is a bad thing.
Really enjoyed that managed decline your hope and change voted in?
Jeremiah Jones
Trump was still a better option than Hillary.
Camden Cooper
Does Prince Eric (the brother of the secretary of education) still have a big operation in UAE?
Norks held talks with Sorks and now no one cares about Best Korea.
China is investing their own money outside their country.
Mexico is playing ball with immigration, on their side of the border.
Trudeau is getting slaughtered by his own psycophantic media.
But I get it, he didn't fully invade Syria like your preferred candidates' husband's girlfriend would have.
Easton Walker
>by forcing them to print their own money into uselessness after adopting socialism 2 decades ago.
Do you know how to argue without strawman bullshit? That isn't what I said. We supported an opposition leader and then publicly threw our lot behind him based on flawed information that enough of the Venezuelan military would side with our guy.
>I get it, you think Trump is time traveling hitler.
Nope, I wrote what I think if you care to read it and stop spouting misrepresentations and bullshit.
>Trump not playing status quo is a bad thing.
I criticized his erratic behavior, not his failure to adhere to the status quo. There are ways to break the status quo without acting like an idiot. How about you stop trying to put words in my mouth and address what I actually wrote?
Justin Hughes
>Norks held talks with Sorks and now no one cares about Best Korea.
Jesus Christ, I'm done. This is like arguing with the president himself. Nothing but line after line of horseshit.
Angel Russell
see Gunna chimp out iran? Please keep chimping out, i want to see modern, high rez images of your ships burning and sinking instead of the grainy 80's images.
Nicholas Jones
I have a friend that used to break into people's houses and rearrange their furniture.
Camden Jones
iran air defence is no joke user they have A LOT of shit and some modern radars too hiding on those damn mountains
they cant launch even a limited scope attack on them
>supported an opposition leader with zero military, material, or diplomatic support
So a country implodes as a suprise to no one because Communism and that makes Trump JFK during the Bay of Pigs?
I get it senpai. Orangemanbad. Stop cheato hitler from raising wages, lowering unemployment, and encouraging gays from being persecuted because he's racist, sexist, anti-gay.
Andrew Edwards
They have a 100% crew survival rate
Nicholas Jenkins
Oh yeah I remember last year when Iran started attacking civilian oil tankers, sorry I forgot. Remember when they shot down a RQ-4 in international airspace too.
Adrian Parker
>no one has talks about North Korea despite 24/7 coverage about a nuclear showdown mere months beforehand
Don't let reality hit you in the ass on the way out!
Parker Nguyen
The mountains work against those radars, they dont help them you crazy nig nog.
The big ass immobile or barely mobile EW radars will be struck because nobody can win the numbers game against US cruise missiles. After you kick the first leg of the tripod down, the other two radars (long range and SHRAD) topple over and the IADN just becomes a ADN, and thus easy to defeat in detail to create corridors to launch yet more strike packages though.
Sam's are a fucking meme.
Levi Williams
>radars work against them user
user im not so sure that you have the faintest idea of how a mountainous air defence works
Adrian Jackson
>i want to see modern, high rez images of your ships burning and sinking You are the one chimping.
Ian Stewart
>psycophantic
Joshua Brown
Im not sure you do. Please, explain to me how walls of fucking rock will help your radars. Let me make it real fucking simple for you.
If you place the radar in a way that maximizes range, you completely negate the walls of fucking rock because you put it on a mountain top. If you place the radar behind the walls of fucking rock, it cant see shit and you severely limit its range.
Now go ahead, brainlet, lets hear that damage control.
Oliver King
There is no easy avenue of approach to the Iranian heartland. It's quite incredible.
Evan Ward
>Praying Mantis in 4K Fuck yeah.
Jordan Hughes
>places mines on shipping vessels >shoots down drones Y....you a...are chimping....
Joseph Hughes
Good catch.
James Davis
That's a very reliable source you got there, friendo.
Jeremiah Brown
NYT, AP, and the US Government are all confirming it. Not exactly sure what there is to lie about.
Sebastian Miller
the batteries are always in the front line not the radars the radar can fuck stay on a random peak in some random mountain they can even use the primary radar for all they care which covers the entirety of iran cause you know they wont dare attacking a civilian airport and disrupting a major airway like that
Jordan Green
Drones don't have a capable response time fast enough to allow them evade a SAM.
Jack Edwards
AGM-88s don’t give a shit about mountains.
Noah Torres
Only early warning radars can, targeting radars are out next to the missile batteries.