Air war in Iran

libyan air defences werent linked
well at least till 2013 that i remember
each launched was independend which makes things like a field trip for usa

>they would have begun bombing Iran with no provocation
Okay tard

between forty-five and ninety minutes

theaviationist.com/2013/09/19/f-22-f-4-intercept/
Nice reminder

>lets hit their nuclear facilities
>lets bomb the shit out of their military from lebanon

yeah there is a reason why they use stand off missiles

TARD

Their airforce is a joke and frankly shouldn't even need to be part of the discussion

Are the Iranian air defense system is connected in a unified network?

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Your thinking of Israel I believe fag

>turns off radar and scoots away

>can’t shoot shit down because if you turn on radar your getting destroyed

>israel use standoff missiles cause they know that there is a risk of getting shot down

>but usa will casually inflitrate iran's air defences because of reasons

fag

AT LEAST try to give a simple reasoning behind you retarded thinking

im assuming that it is i cant think off any other reason to have a shitload of radars like the ones they have without being decentralized

A week to take out SAM sites
another week to take out airfields.

Naturally fuck all F22s are going to be sent so I don't think they're going to manage without taking air casualties

Comparing the Israeli SEAD capability to the US is silly try again keer

>doesnt understand the risk factor of casually sending aircrafts inside of a contested air space with a gazzilion of missiles

good laugh

And if the Persians manage to destroy/badly damaged one or two of the Air Force bases, or even sink an aircraft carrier?

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That’s the job of wild weasels fag to literally bait enemy SAMS to activate radars

thats why they sent the b2's to take out the iraqi EW radar before the invasion right?

oh wait we dont talk about that

>Dude SAMs are awesome lol

Here's an issue with this:

A SAM is cheaper than an aircraft, but it's only useful for one mission, against one target, in specific situations. And whether or not it succeeds in that mission, of destroying only one plane, that SAM is gone forever. You now have to replace the system. Where as a a plane can do mission after mission against multiple targets in many different situations until it is destroyed.

and it has to be taken into account that sams can be defeated by an defending aircraft relatively easy

Sure it's going to take longer, but I don't see them getting based the Carrier escorts to damage them

B2s wat I haven’t mentioned those I’ve talked about the opening of the campaign where SEAD missions would be carried out to cripple Iranian AA. Also you realize that no B2 has been shot down right

you do know that you can slap missiles on SAMs right?

read my post again

and after that try to make a coherent thought cause nothing you said came close to what im saying

If the war drags on, it will be possible to supply across the Caspian.

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>me not making sense
>”thats why they sent the b2's to take out the iraqi EW radar before the invasion right”
You mentioned something that never happened or would to make some sort of point

>never happened

oh
god
why they allow zoomers on this board

Anti air defense systems amaze me. I really want to learn how these systems work so I can defend my house from pigeons with water balloon missiles.

The bigger point in the story is their tracking radar didn't see the F-22 come up right next to the F-4s (which is to be expected, fifth-generation birds are trackable only at about 30 miles out, tops).

Okay post proof or btfo keer

>28 years later someone is doubting the usage of the bombers on the intial strike

i just...

Gods that was a great game

You said they were used in EW also unless you are referring to 2003 the B2 wasn’t used in desert storm

Only BF1 comes close desu

do you even know what ew stands for user or you just being an idiot in general?

a few strategic placed nukes and the word mullah will be a popular as the phrase "groovy"

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>inb4 GRUMMAN STEEL brings down the house and wipes the floor with every gen. 4+ and gen. 5 fighter in the USN inventory, forcing the US to rethink three decades of fighter development

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*blocks you air superiority, forever*

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One day to take out all your bases in the region trough their militias in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen.

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>YAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSS QUEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNN
>LETS USE NUKES

mossad knows where all the aa missiles are

>muh mossad

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Next time Israeli tanks will have active armor and the shelling will blow everything away. Nobody cares about Lebanon not even the Lebanese, should be pretty good bro I hear there are lots of stock piled missiles there so all the more reason to just remove complete grid squares.

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>Next time it will be better
Sums up the american military doctrine...

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You guys understand that Iranians are not arabs right? They are Persian and even without top equipment they are effectively BTFOing the USA in the Persian gulf
Iraq, Syria and Yemen are all battlegrounds that will fall on Iran's lap as soon as the USA turns its back to face the chinese.

So, LARP all you want, lob a few tomahawks and bomb some airbases. It won't change shit.

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There's kind of a catch to that. Sure your emissions won't be seen, but now you're blind and can't shoot any planes. I hear that in the Balkan conflicts that they couldn't keep their SA-6 radars on for longer than like 5 minutes otherwise they'd die from a dozen HARMs.

Issue with relying so heavily on SAMs is that they'll have a much harder time fielding their air force without a high risk of friendly fire.

Semantics. They're goatfucking durka-durka towelheads.

Iran hasn't been secular for over 40 years, They were yelling "Allahu Ackbar" when the drone was shot down, all of their equipment is depreciated shit from the pre-revolution era. They're fucked if the US decides to go into all out war but doing so would be retarded for other reasons

>their air force

yeah i doubt their air force will be capable of anything
i mean ok their mig 29 and su 24 might cause some problem but i doubt its gonna be any serious threat to usa

what hits them here? idf?

Why do you fags keep forgetting their F-14's? It's pretty much the only aircraft in their inventory that can be considered near-peer.

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They have no AIM-54s, their F-14s are falling apart and the F-14 isn't even THAT good to begin with.

Sure it's got a good radar but the USN's super hornets and F-35s would run rings around it

because the russians can probably upgrade their own shit

how iranians will modernize the fagcats?

I'd be amazed if they even have 1 Tomcat that's mission capable anymre. Being able to just fly around is one thing, and they look nice, but I can't imagine those planes have any bite anymore since they haven't received any new parts since the 80's.
SAMs aren't the be-all-end-all of air defense, and over-relying on them hasn't produced the best results.

Do you see any weapons on that jet? I bet they couldn't even load a training missile under the fuselage without the wings falling off.

thats not an argument you idiot

militarywatchmagazine.com/article/how-iran-keeps-its-1970s-f-14-fleet-viable-and-competitive-through-domestic-modernisation

it seems that they can maintain them but upgrading them will be a black hole of wasted money

>they think that their airforce will be useful in a place like this
America will waste trillions bombing carboards across the country, while iranians will have plenty of space and locations under the mountains to store any kind of weapons.

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>all of their equipment is depreciated shit from the pre-revolution era

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The flag pole was an IED. Didn't kill anyone, though.

Fuuuuuck, the Iranians could do some serious ground-hugging shit over their terrain, ducking behind mountains to avoid lock, or ambushing US bombtrucks from below.

The mid-altitude casual 8-10 hour bombing patrols they did over Iraq/Afghan might not be viably over there.

>upgraded with superior avionics
>picture shows the same A-model cockpit and avionics from the 70's
interesting

They were yelling "Allahu Ackbar" when the drone was shot down

when they downed your 220 drone with their own built tech, or wheny they stealed and reverse enginereed your RQ-170?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–U.S._RQ-170_incident
>The Israeli military shot down a Sa'egheh drone during the February 2018 Israel–Syria incident. Israeli medias reported that the UAV's design was indeed largely based on the RQ-170, IAF Brigadier General Tomer Bar said that the drone was quite advanced and emulated western technology.[39]

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dealing with an Iranian insurgency would be horrific as all insurgencies are, but in conventional warfare the Iranians will get fucked enough that they'll accept US demands/regime change

>when they downed your 220 drone with their own built tech, or wheny they stealed and reverse enginereed your RQ-170?

i still remember obama asking
>plis gib bak drone

it was hilarious russians and iranian were probably laughing their ass off

In conventional warfare they will shoot their missiles - thousand and thousands and thousands -all across the middle east, but specifically on the oil rich kingdoms, crashing the world economy and triggering a world crisis that will abruply end the Unites States as a world power, since China and Russia and the European Union will blame America.

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You don’t have to worry. This conflict is going to go nowhere

>your drone

You're mistaking me for an American, which I am not.

if it means getting the saudis where they belong like the cockroaches that they are its a small price to pay

5 minutes

all memes aside, It would be pretty fucking difficult

>>people thinking that Iranians who used to send mass waves of infantry just to clear Iraqi minefields are going to fight like the arabs the burgers are used to fight.

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All I want to see is the next "June 4th 1989 Tiananmen Square" pasta for Iran

A country that could barely hold on against Iraq is going to fend off a nation that steam rolled Iraq.

Depends. Do you belong to the group of faggots that disregard weeks of pounding countries airdefenses and airports from outside their borders while threatening the country not to "escalate" by striking back and only counts from the first day an aircraft enters their empty airspace?

Congrats, your air defenses were just suppressed. Don't need DEAD to accomplish a mission and create a corridor for bombers.

A lot of this talk from Iran seems familiar...

>be ME country
>have large stockpiles of older weapon systems with a few marquee new systems
>have large amounts of dedicated troops available
>have unstoppable elite Guard units
>state that any invasion by the US would be a bloodbath
>media saystens of thousands of Americans will die
>be 1990 Iraq
>shit gets fucked up in a week

>Iran attacked just after a revolution
>While pic related were helping his enemy
>Still not defeated

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A lot of this is either old or based on old Russian SAMs. "400+" S-200s are a pain in the ass because of the quantity, not the quality. The Air Force knows how to engage these systems. Their S-300 and Iranian made knockoffs should be the real issue at hand.
I agree with you though, Iran is a different animal and no one should expect an air war without losses. Should be a good proving ground for JASSM, its ER variant and general modern DEAD operations. I hope it does not happen and no one dies for this retarded conflict but from a military standpoint it would be highly interesting for sure.

The problem with the idea that history repeats itself is that it never does.

It's as if Iran completely ignored the past thirty years of lesson from the Gulf War, Yugoslavia, OIF, Afghanistan, post-Arab Spring, yadda-yadda.

>Didn't kill anyone, though.
There's no way 2 and 5 survived that shit, gib source

>In conventional warfare they will shoot their missiles - thousand and thousands and thousands -all across the middle east, but specifically on the oil rich kingdoms, crashing the world economy and triggering a world crisis that will abruply end the Unites States as a world power, since China and Russia and the European Union will blame America.
pretty much this. this is why Trump chickened out.

Trump needs to fire all those NEOCON pieces of shit that run his foreign policy. they'll fuck up his re-election.

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The fuck is that undead thing on the right, and does it feed on life energy or the blood of children?

ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5118147,00.html

even the full video shows the flag bearer survived. he lost some of his fingers IIRC

yes to the second part

>>Iran attacked just after a revolution

So they're strategically retarded then. They won't last three weeks.

>SUPPRESSION of Enemy Air Defense
>Anti-Air Radar goes offline to be moved after HARM fired
>Air Defense has been SUPPRESSED

That's why SEAD is done with long range missions. DEAD is done with JSOWs, SDBs, and CBUs.

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NO IVAN
CAT IS BOMB
FISH IS BOMB
FLAG POLE IS BOMB
EVEN BOMB IS BOMB