Bringing down B2 bomber

They use long wave for search radars right?
Can you explain this idea a bit I'm not familiar with how vertical surfaces contribute

>HARMs
That’s a big part of this, too. On one hand, if you know that antiradiation missiles are being fired, you want to turn off your radar to hide from them, but if you do that, you won’t be able to see incoming aircraft. Apparently, during the Gulf War, coalition pilots would frequently call out “Magnum” (the brevity code for firing an AGM-88) without actual firing any weapons to get the Iraqis to shut off their SAMs.

That's some real mind fuckery

B 21 is less than 3-4 years from deployment. Trump should just wait a bit more and then bomb Iran.

War with Iran will be an excellent problem for him to leave to President-elect Occasio Cortez in 2025. Let the Dems pick up the tab.

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Not that it would help much, unless you shut down and immediately de-ass the area. Because most modern anti-radiation missiles will guide in on the last transmission location.

Losing any kind of military vehicle is possible, but some are very unlikely. the B-2 is about the most unlikely there is.
If one were shot down then Iran would tout it as a massive victory and anti-US posters would cheer for months (or decades, if Serbia is any indication).
Unfortunately for them, that cheering will be drowned out by the hundreds of other aircraft that carry out their missions and smash Iran's air defenses and strategic assets.

Wait, how comes Iraqi AA was able to pick them up?

>russia
ain't going stealth friendo
>china
j-31 canceled
>iran
wut?
>iraq
16 years ago. Back then the Chinese still used fishing boats as destroyers and had no electricity.

>Mostly
We're not talking weapons track or anything, just general detection, with ideal atmospherics youl see something out there with at good enough definition to figure out the rough area(+/-5km) then saturate the sky there with missiles. Mind you it would take about 300% of say Iran's inventory of Sam's but hey, we're talking ideal situations.

The same way as normal radars, just that because they’re rely on wavelengths that can be several meters they need a larger surface to properly bounce off of. An aircraft in straight and level flight doesn’t provide much in the way of flat surfaces for a long wave radar to bounce off of, unless, but there’s a good chance it could bounce off the vertical stab because that tends to be tall and mostly flat.

Pong chan ping twing bong?

Well and serbians used even unshielded cavity magnetrons from used microwaves to create false emmiters.

Thing is that if wavelenghts roughly match (your microwave is within S-band), you can't tell between poorly defined weak microwave blasting 1kW RMS and highly modified pseudorandomly shifted jamming-proof signal of a radar station - especially nowadays when even strong surveillance radars can use beamforming, thus hiding their full power. All you get is a fuck there is a radioemmiter- when in reality it is babushka warming up dinner on defective microwave.

>ain't going stealth friendo
Their swearing up and down that the Su-57 is stealth says otherwise
>J-31 canceled
Proofs?
>wut?
Pic related

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They were likely intentionally using unsecured comms for the call outs.

Just like my Ace Combats!

>pic related
That one was pretty blatantly just theatre for the domestic Iranian audience. Russians and Chinese are definitely attempting to develop stealth aircraft, though, and China has likely succeeded with the J-20.

Yeah but most weasels in 1999 didn’t carry TGPs. Nowadays you can slew your TGP to look at whatever “emitter” is painting you and determine if it’s worth firing a HARM at.

The flip side of this is that it makes your own radar less effective since you need to filter out the false returns from the decoy emitter.

That and the US, in typical USA fashion, would hit both the decoy and the actual emitter without even bothering to figure out which was which.

B2s operated in kosovo with heavy ecm support, the only thing that could bring it down is a fighter with groung radar control help, considering the USAF will, most likely have air superiority, such thing wont happen.

Correct. Air superiority fighters are the optimal counter to stealth strike aircraft. You need to get most targeting radars fairly close to obtain a reliable lock.

Smaller surfaces like vertical stabilizers and wings can cause scattering in low wavelengths leading to a radar return. The B2 has large wings and no vertical stabilizers so it is very well suited to avoid detection via VHF radar systems. This is the same reason lots of 6th generation fighter concepts have 1 large delta wing and no vertical stabilizers.

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It's employed by remaining at a distance and striking targets with ALCM. There's zero chance anybody is going to stop it from making a standoff strike.

If you catch one on the ground you could destroy it with a claw hammer.

>If you catch one on the ground you could destroy it with a claw hammer
"USAF Security Forces would like to know your location."

>What would US do if they've managed to bring one down?

Most likely lie about it not being in Iranian airspace.

I wonder if they tried to "Eyeball it" with guns.

If you're at a point where enemy aircraft can get within gun range of your stealth bombers, you shouldn't be flying stealth bombers.

Use f35 linked f15s to absolutely BTFO their airforce and SAM sights.
Fly in b52s to bomb them into the 19th century.

Not.

Most short/medium range SAMs are designed to do this though, and the long range systems that can't are generally protected by point defense systems like Tor and Pantsir; not saying that they are unbeatable by any means, just that it's even more complicated than you realise.

If Serbia could take down a few Nighthawks, I don't think Iran would have a problem with a B2, especially with their Chinese shit.

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>smart dudes getting lucky against retards is a viable war plan

into the trash it goes. this is your reminder NATO dominated Serb airspace at will.

>a few Nighthawks
One

I mean, it basically is. The B-2 is essentially an Ace Combat superweapon in real life.

Just look at it lmao

Make a ultra high definition telescope that scans the skies for unusual stuff until it finds the giant black object flying really high and send it to base

okay you can see it now what? are you gonna shake your fist at it and hope if fucks off?

Wasn't the Chairforce's main lesson from bombing Serbia that it's actually impossible to completely neutralise an opposing SAM network through SEAD/DEAD alone.
The statistic is that Serbia fired the same number of SAMs on last day of the bombing campaign as they did on the first.

Holy shit I never really thought much of the B-2's look but that angle makes me realize how beautiful it is.

Security Forces only wants to know where the nearest BX is so they can grab a case of rip its and a bag of jerky for their 12 hour shift sitting in a shitty old Silverado at the edge of the flightline.

Now OSI, on the other hand...

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this looks way better imo and also can bfto the b21 too

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1 f117 was shot down
and a few were damaged.
idk if the damaged ones were just lucky shots in the dark though.

>year of our lord and savior two thousand and nineteen
>canards
YIKES

>canards
they are super good at allowing stable high speed agility.
but that shit is in NO way stealthy, especially if they are variable.
my guess is the Chinks couldn't get the damn thing to work properly without them.

>it cannot be stealthy because it will BFTO our entire air force otherwise

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Ignoring any debates about performance and capability, I do not like how the J-20 looks.
If a fighter has canards then I can think of ones which look better. The F-15 ACTIVE would be up there, but that was only a prototype.

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No it isn't. It has been used to drop everything from cluster bombs to glide bombs.

stelth doesn't work really the f117 got shot down it was suppose to be stealthy
not sure why you made this thread dude if your dad's a b2 pilot then well he signed up and he knows what he's in for. Don't worry man he will be fine

>stelth doesn't work
Yes, because one plane getting shotdown out of thousands of sorties against multiple enemies proves the entire concept is a failure.
Aircraft don't work really because in WW1 someone shot one down from the ground.

Most experts are saying the j-20 doesn't have all aspect stealth.
even India claimed to spot a few.
The Rear RCS from a f35 are extremely good compared to older stealth designs due to changes in the f135 engine.
China is still runing outdated designs and have yet to make a F119 or f135 copy.
it's doubtful they can considering how retarded the engineering behind the f135/119 is.

why do 3rd world fags forget the f117 brought their entire country to the brink of complete failure?
BUT BUT BUT we got one!
lets forget that most of our infrastructure is completely leveled and we have no food.

no it didn't air campaings are expensive as hell, the nato bombing was a waste of money, that guy in that eastern european country set up sheds with heaters in them making nato think they were tanks and waste there bombs. This is one of the reasons iran isn't invaded lol

>trust me bro the non stop bombing didn't do anything to my country.
Cope harder faggot

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civilian targets are always hit and won't do much but military targets nothing.

war is waged on money my man, once you run out of money you can't fight

>What would US do if they've managed to bring one down?
Nothing, they'd still win the air war.

They also had a handful of SAM systems outnumbered hundreds of times to one

>india
lol okay

>Trump called back the strike because his general told him that once the """""stealth"""" meme is exposed. LM will lose all of their F-35 contracts.
>Mark my words.

you are one dumb fucking nigger

the f117 bombing did 29.6 billion worth of damage to Yugoslavia in just 11 weeks.
at the time, was that TWICE their yearly GDP.
NATO targets were almost entirely military based.
every Yugoslavia jet was BTFO by F15s.
>IT'S COOL GUYS, the bombings did nothing!

Yugoslavia launched an estimated 700 Sams against NATO targets. with only 1 aircraft being downed a 2 more being damaged.
700:1 is a pretty bad ratio

I don't trust the POO's but they might be right.
the j-20 is still an unfinished prototype after all.
businessinsider.com/chinas-j-20-stealth-jet-spotted-by-india-air-force-su-30mki-2018-5

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imagine actually being this faggot

how much did it cos the usa?

so is nobody going to point out the fact that the B2 does not need to even fly over Iran to bomb it?

why does everyone still think this is 1942 and the only method of a plan attacking a ground target is to fly directly over it and drop bombs straight down? it's 2019, we can launch cruise missiles that fly for thousands of miles. there is no reason for a B2 to ever come within SAM range.

as far as I'm aware there is no official number from NATO.
but the cost is a drop in the hat
the USA GDP was 5.1 trillion at the time

regardless to the numbers, Yugoslavia was BTFO so fucking hard it vowed "never to forget"

5.1 trillion lol that's like 5 times usa's gdp how does that make you feel burger

>cruise missiles
they spam those with rusting B52s not B2 bombers.

>5.1 trillion lol that's like 5 times usa's gdp
are you retarded or is English a 2nd language.
either way you obviously can't read.

>they spam those with rusting B52s not B2 bombers.

both of those aircraft can carry cruise missiles...did you seriously think that the B2 is limited to gravity bombs only?

Is it painful to be this retarded?

No.

This here is the BEST thing Iran has, and they don't have very many of them right now as they're fairly new.
>it's basically an Iran BUK-M2 on wheels

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The US GDP is nearly 20 trillion dollars, you ESL mongoloid.

2

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Nigger wut

3 (last I have, from a Irani export sale brochure)

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A strong enough laser could do it, I guess.

This boi

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Those poor F-14s if a fight with Iran comes...

lol imagine being so poor you can't comprehend America's GDP

>>OSI interest intensifies

You ram it

Euros make canards work

step 1: get a few of your terrorist buddies to enter the US on student Visas or someshit
step 2:buddies set up Op posts near major US bases known to house the B2
step 3: figure out a pattern
step 4: Set up some AA or someshit
step 5: ????
step 6: get destroyed for trying to set up AA near a US airbase in the US
step 7: (BONUS) ditch your plans for trying to bring down a B2 and work at walmart instead to send money back home, find a nice muslim wife and settle down, etc.
I honestly don't know where I was going with this.

I wonder if Iran developed a domestic quantum radar if the US would say that it is illegal too because it can see stealth. You can not allowed to defend yourself from the USA.

I bet a IRST can see a B-2. You can't hide the fact that it is a different temperature than the background.

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That'd be nice, if you had any clue where to scramble your jets to find it, and even if you knew it was coming in the first place.

It's impossible even for countries with more advanced technology and money to put on it, you can't barelly know he's there, even more have any weapon capable of reaching it and take it down, it's literally the ultimate unbetable weapon when its in the air, and that's still old technology, were to this ever happen, I can't even imagine what kind of more advanced weaponry they would use that we never knew about

in theory any missile or system could if it was close enough, weather it would actually get close enough in a hypothetical bombing of iran is another story.
Most of the more modern iranian systems could down it in those scenarios though

Has anyone heard anything about a public unveiling of the B2? I want to believe it’ll be entering service in the early 2020’s, but we seen little of it other than a few artistic renderings.

Sorry, B21.

Imagine being this retarded and having emotional fantasies about military hardware.

The B2 has a lowered frontal, flank and rear aspect radar cross section.

THAT'S IT.

Get a radar station close enough, or with some pattern recognition logic to filter out and focus on insects and birds flying at nearly 1 Mach speeds and you can easily take it down.

Not to mention if you force the B-2 to make a turn and expose the huge flat surface of its belly to an emitter for just a few seconds, it will radiate like a fucking stadium building.

Goddamn, why is Jow Forums so fucking illiterate? Are ALL of you POGs and security guard blue collar vermin?

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>Most experts are saying the j-20 doesn't have all aspect stealth.

Neither does the F-35.

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threads like these make me realise that people actually think stealth makes aircraft invisible

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Force the B2 to make a turn.
How?

>Not knowing the B2 probably has anechoic coatings that cost more than Gambia's GDP to develop

t. POG