Everywhere I go on the internet--and sometimes in real life--there's at least one person singing the praises of the p365. A couple weeks ago, I held this gun for the first time, and I somewhat understood the desire for one. It's slim, got a high capacity for the size, but still fills of the hand well. But I won't consider buying one for a while. Why? Because just a year ago, it was breaking firing pins and firing mechanisms. I understand people wanting to like this gun, but I cannot understand why a gun that has yet to be properly proven is being praised so much. And I don't mean "gotta have 30k rounds through yours with a 10 year military record on the gun" proven, I mean "the first gen ones might still be on the shelves and the 2nd gen ones haven't been out long enough to be sure they don't have the same problems" proven. Despite this, the p365 is constantly being worshiped as the best carry gun, even by people who should know better, such as Terran Butler calling it the "ultimate carry gun".
Am I missing something? Is it something you feel when you actually shoot it? Fanboyism? Shills? I don't know. But I know that I've seen guns from other companies that have had problems right off the bat and they have to struggle to overcome that poor first impression and show that the gun is good. And btw, I'm not a Glock fanboy and I'm not a Sig hater, I'm just trying to look at the situation as objectively as possible and figure out why the p365 has not only somehow managed to dodge the usual repercussions of the release of an unreliable gun, but is considered to be the greatest by many people.
Well, in Sig's defense the gun hit's a serious sweet spot between size, capacity, and price. The trigger ain't half bad either.
The bad things were pajeet-tier metal injection molded parts that were basically pot metal and strike drag on ejected casings. It's my understanding that some of these problems have been been dealt with but the gun's reliability remains "compromised."
Ryan King
IF this gun came out with perfect reliability reports, it would have changed everything. But it didn’t, so I’m going to wait until the competition start releasing guns that match its blend of size and capacity.
Charles Nelson
>tfw no Sig 365 in 357
Oliver Baker
I shot 50 rounds through one at a range and it was one of the nicest guns I ever shot and felt really nice to shoot I was making shots at 50ft (I know not that far) and hitting about 2moa in 2 13 round mags it was a lot better than I thought I bought one and returned it the next day not shooting it because of all the reliability issues I saw if they fix the flaws I will get one again but for now I want to see a 1-2k round test go right before i buy
Ryder Nelson
Literally if this gun was made with the same quality as even their P22X lineup made in the US, for 1.5x the price, people would still buy the shit out of it and it wouldn't get such a bad rep.
Juan Taylor
And what level of quality is that? Is that the inability to perform at the level of $500-600 guns? Or is that the level of quality at which a $1000+ gun comes with a broken frame from the factory? Nothing about Sig is quality anymore.
RIP. I was not aware of this. How much cost cutting did they did since the kike took over?
Aaron Garcia
I don't know how much, but it ruined the brand for me. A p22X was the handgun I always wanted growing up, so when I was in the market for a carry gun, I looked at the P224, which was quickly ignored after I learned what a piece of junk it was. It was sold for no less than $750 for 4 years before it was discontinued. They never made it actually work well. Then later I considered the P238, but I learned that it was really finicky and not that reliable. Around this time was when Sig started the Legion thing and it was pretty clear where the company was going. Even before the P320 drop safe scandal broke, I realized that Sig was a garbage company that didn't respect their customers. So here I wait until Cohen fucking dies so I can buy a decent quality P226 or P229.
Yeah I wanted a sig but I bought a glock. I don’t love the gun and think they look like shit, but it shoots damn well and runs flawlessly and that’s what I need. I wanted a sig but I’ll probably just buy a beretta for looks and cool factor down the road. The way the barrel locks is pretty awesome
John Williams
It was called the Pajeet365 for a reason.
Charles Jackson
N E V E R V E R
Because SIG has six patents on the magazine. It’ll never happen.
Sebastian Garcia
My P938 has been rock solid as has my P229
John Powell
Isn't some company releasing a flush fit high cap g43x mag?
Mason Nguyen
I guess I've been out of the loop, I bought one about 2 months ago and have about 200 rounds through it and I really don't have any complaints. It pretty much completely disappears in my front pocket with a DeSantis holster.
Jordan Reed
I didn't want to hear this. I'm currently in the market for a compact 9mm and the P365 was at the top of my list. I want to like this, but these buttholes are gonna make me buy a g43.
Jack Morris
Any company can still make a 1.5 stack mag. Also any company can make a gun that uses sig mags, like companies make guns that use glock mags. Sig probably wouldn't have an issue with that because they can then just start charging a shit ton for their mags.
With any luck though glock will release a similar spec gun in 10 years, maybe FN or HK will do it sooner so we actually have a quality option. >tfw no baby 509 or VP9
Joseph Allen
Guns like the LC9s and shield are still viable options. We're talking about 3 less rounds here, and they're thinner and so are the mags making them easier to carry. I would rather have 3 less mags than have the constant worry that my pajeet gun is going to shit the bed when I actually need it.
Mason Jenkins
The LC9 is a contender, the shield is too heavy. This is for a running rig I put together and maybe an EDC option. Given my testing, 24oz is the point at which it begins to become unwieldy to carry while running, so I'm trying to keep them under that, loaded. I just really wanted to like the P365.
Cooper Thompson
>Because just a year ago, it was breaking firing pins and firing mechanisms. Yeah.
A year ago.
Before they fixed those things on all new guns.
You fucking moron.
Every other word in your post is autism and cope.
Gabriel Rodriguez
It's not like mindbendingly novel or anything because the P11 exists, but it put a lot of really really desirable features into a new gun, and once the sketchyness was ironed it it became great. It's a tiny, high capacity, skinny, accurate gun with tritium sights and a fantastic trigger out of the box.
>The bad things were pajeet-tier metal injection molded parts that were basically pot metal Well that's wrong full stop. All the P365's problems were engineering related, not materials related. Firing pins breaking was because the old design had a sharp edge instead of a thick taper like on the new pins. The jamming was because the barrel was intersecting the slide, causing peening, this was fixed by cutting out more material. The trigger springs were popping out because the hook on the end was too long, extending into the magazine well where the magazine would batter it until it broke or fell out. That was (presumably) fixed by shortening the hook. The sights falling out was because who knows what, crappy tolerances or what, but the new X-Ray sights don't fall out.
None of it had to do with materials, and all of it was fixed with revisions.
Go look at youtube 1,000 round tests and see how many of them published in the last 1.5 years exhibit problems.
I'll save you some time: 0
The same as every other manufacturer. Sig's not uniquely bad or good. Don't listen to that angry lad.
Now off to collect my sigbux
Jackson Myers
I have G48. I'll believe that one when I see it.
Henry Wood
I have one. ~1000 rounds through it with zero problems. I like it. Feels way better than any similarly sized gun. Haters gonna hate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Andrew Price
I've read numerous articles saying that it did have problems on release, but Sig have since ironed those problems out.
Liam Stewart
>new gun has problems, ironed out quickly >fudds right off brand forever >gun was once good, company and gun goes to shit >Fudds still buy it and claim it's still just as good
Muh good ole Merican made Remington 700. *sip* Yeah that's a rifle.
Samuel Miller
I have a love-hate relationship with my LC9S. I love how smol it is, but I hate the trigger. To be fair though I only have 100ish rounds through it; does the trigger get better after breaking in more?
Luis Brooks
>Am I missing something? a brain, moran
Charles Stewart
People trust the problems got solved because they did get solved through huge amounts of MIC money. i wouldn't buy one anyway- if they don't want to make a good product the first time, there's no reason to buy it the second time. it's supporting a company that doesn't give a shit unless you throw more money at their problems. I'm unironically glad i bought a GRIPZONE before we heard what cunts springfield are, it shoots nice despite the memery
Jaxson Thomas
That one person probably owns the gun and shoots it. They fixed all the release issues. It's like cars, avoid the first release. The only physical issue with the pistol is how an individual shoots it. It's fucking tiny and my thumbs always wind up on the slide when I first get my grip. The grip is fine with the magazine plates. They're releasing a 15 round extension which some people will defend to the death but is kind of retarded. They also want $500+ for them and that's a fucking joke.
Jace Anderson
i own 2. the issues have been fixed on the later models.
Grayson Smith
Of course they have. That user read the same three anecdotes on Sigtalk over and over until he convinced himself that every SIG is bad. My P229 has been my home defense and carry gun for 9 years now. I’ve got to have like 12,000 rounds through it now. I’ve changed out the barrel once and the spring twice. It works perfectly.
Jacob Foster
>Nu-SIG >Rusts >Made with potmetal by pajeet and rakesh in India >Not drop safe >Over priced Literally who buys Sig in 2019?
Josiah Reed
Almost everyone, check the sales numbers crybaby
Isaac Powell
Aside from the reliability memes and >lolsig I dont like the gun because the grip feels shitty to me. Most pistols feel like a 16:9 and the P365 somehow feels like a 4:3 and as such I find the gun feeling really small in my hands despite not being smaller than a g43 or any number of other compact pocket pistols
Jack Sullivan
And my dad has a Taurus 24/7 that has never malfunctioned over 9 years. Is Taurus a reliable brand now? I have read many cases across the internet of plenty of different models of Sigs having problems that are completely unacceptable for a product being marketed at a premium price. I ended up buying an HK because I didn't find plentiful situations of them being junk like I did with Sig. I would actually like to like Sig, so please, try to convince me that Sig is a good company just because your one P229 has worked fine, and that all the other cases I've read about are false.
Liam Barnes
>A-almost everyone, c-check the sales numbers c-crybaby
What are you stupid if any parts break or any reliability issues whatsoever SIG will repair or replace for free. You should have put over 2k rounds through it by now.
Blake Green
You don't want to take chances with your carry gun
Jeremiah Smith
The trigger is fine, so long as the pull isn't excessively long (like it was with the lc9 hammer version) or excessively strong (like 12lb+ pull) it shouldn't be an issue if you know how to properly press a trigger. Trigger snobs don't.
Ryder Long
Statistically the exact same as if not better rated than any other gun on the market.
I heard sigs have double strike capability, true/false?
Blake White
>Is Taurus a reliable brand now? Yeah, kinda. The G2C is fucking fantastic for only $200. >try to convince me that Sig is a good company Why? I’m not going to tell you what you should or shouldn’t like. That’s up to you. Stop being a baby.
Nathaniel Cooper
>statistics which ones, the ones Sig released? :D
Julian Gutierrez
>i wouldn't buy one anyway Got that right, poorfag.
Luke Campbell
poorfag argument doesn't work for a cheap-ass firearm.
Angel Wood
>600 >cheap Even the Glock 43 is $450.
You don't own a Sig because you can't afford it, not because it's not good. Look at you, justifying a Springfield G R I P Z O N E of all guns. Disgusting anti-2A poorfag.
Mason Gray
If you look closely 90% of the complaints about the p365 are from glockfags/poorfagswho dont even own the gun who parrot the same 5 stories over and over while proudly proclaiming they would never buy nusig.
Plenty of examples were shown that indicated the gun didn't go through proper testing before being released. The public (and even the military apparently) are now required to do SIG's beta testing. I don't think they can be considered a quality company anymore despite whether or not they fixed the issues. That's literally Taurus tier. Sig will be the next Remington.
Lucas Walker
All gun mfg's do this tard, but no one complains about nuRuger because JOOZ
Wyatt Diaz
>1st gen has problems >sig fixes problems >now the best gun by far in its class >"heh i wont buy it even though it holds more ammo and is smaller because i am on a personal moral crusade against sig" >'just an m&p shield for me please" Yikes
You're responding to and confusing different anons, fren.
Nolan Scott
>sig >supporting their own caliber
Juan Cox
Why does SIG’s ammo suck ass? Their +P 9mm is almost identical to Hornady standard pressure. And their .357 SIG—their own caliber—is some of the weakest on the market.
Jayden Reyes
the sooner people understand Sig is now a meme and not worth a damn, the faster Cohen can take his 100 million bonus and severance and go ruin another gun company so Sig can get back on track.
William Miller
You retard, get a German P228.
Zachary Parker
The sooner you get a good job and stop being a bitter, harmful poorfag the better.
Aiden Evans
look at the sigshill thinking everybody is as poor as him and only buys sig as his top of the line
Jeremiah Ross
I'm on a crusade against them for selling confirmed shit quality life saving products to the public.
Ruger keeps up with market demand pretty well. They will likely release a direct competitor to the 365 and you will jump on it.
Jace Jackson
>I'm on a crusade against them you should consider not being such a loser
Levi Ramirez
Not him, but it is truly shitty that SIG is willing to let their consumers be beta testers. That’s inexcusable in the firearms industry.
Luke Murphy
>cope
Parker Kelly
The entire manufacturing industry uses their customers as beta testers. And: >Not him Ok user
Hudson Walker
I'll never understand why somebody would go on an anonymous imageboard and give themselves a name or a trip outside of a single thread where they needed to be identified for continuity's sake.
Jaxson Garcia
I doubt that was their intention. Yeah they should've tested it more before releasing it, but it's easy to say that in hindsight. I'm sure they tested it as they do all their guns and felt comfortable enough with it's reliability at the time. It wouldn't make sense for a company to knowingly release defective products and subject themselves to the countless people returning them for repairs and all the bad press that goes along with it.
At least sig was honest enough to admit their mistakes and halt production until they fixed the issues.
Grayson Sanchez
Because Burt’s a fat fuck narcissist. He’d literally go into cardiac arrest if he didn’t have a legion of orbiters shilling Beretta for him.
Connor Foster
>600 >expensive You're the poorfag lmao
Blake Morgan
>this much denial
Brandon Ramirez
Good concept but I'm a little tired of Sig's beta testing every single new release.
Adrian Lopez
user there is space between cheap and expensive which is neither
Jace Young
>thinks 600 isn't cheap
Jesus Christ. It truly always is poor fags calling others poor fags. The 100k a year you make doesn't make you rich, you fly over state hillybilly
Sebastian Diaz
I'll never understand why people give a hoot. Like why even expend the effort to post? Virtue signaling? Clan behavior? Perceived moral high ground?
But I don't really have to understand to not be bothered by it. I judge posters individually, some anons like you are nice and civil, but many anons are edgy and toxic. Is that repulsive behavior okay because they don't trip, but nice behavior is invalidated by a trip? Makes no sense.
*shrug*
Also this Buy Beretta and Sig and Springfield!
I have nice stuff but $600 is really expensive for a tiny little plastic handgun anons, Shields and XDs and P10s and even PPSs and CCPs and Kahrs are in the $300s and there are more in the $200s. On which planet do you dudes live where this is not the case?
there are no guns as shit as this, so no equivalents. But if you wanted better guns, VP9SK and P30SK and P2000SK can all be found in the $600 range or lower easily. And that's just HK.
Jack King
>Can’t afford a w German p226 Big cope
Nicholas Cox
those are not pocket guns not even close to equivalent and dont cost $600 I bought my VP9 for $450 and p2000s cost under $500 and also you are ignoring the major sellers m&p and p10c because you know damn well the p365 is too expensive for what ti is
Jaxson Robinson
The only people who hate Sig are anti-semites desu. The P365 is great
Adrian Miller
Not happening anytime soon. Glock can't compete with it's form factor because plastic magazines - the G43 was a flop. Ruger will probably have the first real competitor to the P365 followed by S&W
Asher Adams
Lurk more.
Julian James
Stop shilling the W. German meme. The stamped slide and internal extractor design fucking sucks and there was good reason why they were replaced with milled slides and external extractors. The stamped slide and internal extractor design is why Sig lost the M9 contract btw.
Look for a post cold war German Sig - ie "Made in Germany" stamped on slide. The P226R & P226 Navy were the last models with this. Just gunbroker sig made in germany
Owen Ortiz
I was in the market for a single stack 9 and limited it down the P365, Shield, and G43. I liked the P365 the best but passed on it because of all the issues people were having at the time. I may end up getting one still but I didn't want to wait for it so I bought the shield.
Hudson Davis
Yep. My 226 and 229 have been perfect. Sig is producing top shelf guns.
Luis Morales
Ninety percent of this board are poorfags. Have you seen the EDC threads?
Hunter Nguyen
>Shield Get an LC9s and remove the mag disconnect. It's lighter, slightly smaller, and doesn't feel like someone drove a steam roller over an m&p compact (the shield is completely flat, there's no hard-fitting shape to it. Just feels weird to me.)
Jose Wright
Just admit Sig sucks so we can move on.
Samuel Wright
I too hesitated buying a P365 because of all the issues. Even though I wanted one since before they came out, I just recently upgraded to the P365 from the Shield. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Shield, but the sig is slightly smaller with a larger capacity and comes with night sights, it's really a game changer to be honest.
Jace Wood
>buying a COHEN (oy vey) SIG.
any sig post 1996 is trash.
Michael James
If you are in the market for a semi auto sub compact and you don't get a 365, I really don't know what to say. You must be a fuckin idiot. It is so easy to conceal and holds more rounds than anything its size on the market.
>G43 was a flop based on? They've been releasing more single stack versions lately
Michael Turner
>can't argue >p-poor fag! But he actually owns the expensive gun you can't afford user. How do you reconcile that? You don't. You just sit there seething in jealousy.
Chase Hughes
Are people really arguing a $600 is expensive? It's shit, whether it was $300 or $900. Learn how to use poorfag properly newfag sigshills.