so... Turkey was one of the original allies that funded the F-35 and even provided parts but after receiving few F-35s, they decided to buy S-400. And even after the massive US pressure, they decided to forgo F-35 and stick with S-400.
So is S-400 more useful than F-35?
>turkey becomes part of russo-iranian strategic alliance
reclaim constantinople when??
I hope Erdonigger enjoys the fruit of his tantrum when their economy gets even worse and BAE pulls out of the TF-X, leaving them with nothing but slavshit hardware.
>Implying the US won't just cuck out of their own threats
Turkey is too important of an ally to lose over some stupid missile system. The worst thing that will happen is that they don't get the F-35
This
NATO will prioritize the Bosphorus Strait over slavshit. Heck, a good chunk of NATO still uses Soviet planes/tanks/vehicles/guns/equipment
>idiots forget Turkey is a part of NATO
This is a ruse to get an S400 to analyze. Come on you guys.
I don't know, turkey has been pretty retarded lately. One can hope.
They are going to try to actually use he s400 for defense. Assume they are still in NATO when Russia invades. What will happen is the Russians easily circumvent their own air defense missiles at best. At worst they activate some killswitch that turns off the s400s altogether.
>reclaim constantinople when??
the way things are going, they'll overtake the europe before we can take Constantinople back.
>Assume they are still in NATO when Russia invades.
Invade what? Your incoherent boomer dreams?
>but after receiving few F-35s
They already received some?
Western civilization is already over. We're living in an epilogue.
Whenever I guess
This. Russia couldn't invade a cardboard box
>They already received some?
None were delivered to Turkey.
>Russia couldn't invade a cardboard box
They don't have to. Box has had ethnic Russians for hundreds of years. Box voted to return to motherland.
The first shipment was put on hold the moment the US caught wind of the S-400 deal. There are talks of giving Turkey's F-35 to Poland for cheap since the Turks already paid for them
The Poles seem pretty interested, too. Imagine a reality where Poland will be operating more 5th gens than Russia.
What's even funnier about this whole situation is that Turkey even had its pilots sent to the US to train them on how to fly the F-35. We'll see how their homemade turk jet turns out, if it ever gets past the concept phase
Turks know that stealth is a meme.
>Turkey buys a defense system that has been proven in actual combat to be defective against real F-35's.
I could care less about roaches. In what world do the Turks use them anyway? In what world do the Turks do anything but get slammed by Kurds?
The whole reason they bought the S-400 was because Russia offered them tech transfers when the US wouldn't do the same with the Patriot system. One of Turkey's biggest goals for their military industrial complex is to create a modern, competitive defense industry. While their current economic issues have harmed that objective severely, it's still one of the country's main priorities.
Why would Russia invade Turkey? There's literally no reason to do so
>half a million enemy soldiers you'd have to fight
>your second largest buyer of natural gas in europe
>one of your largest trading partners
>the biggest tourism destination of Russians where Russian oligarchs and elite go and hang out on beaches for fun
>a country you rely on to ship natural gas into europe through turkstream
>In what world do the Turks do anything but get slammed by Kurds?
They literally defeated the kurds already, what world do you live in?
Go away, Pierre Sprey
>Why would Russia invade Turkey? There's literally no reason to do so
Turkey can't block Russian shipping from the black sea without being at war which leads to the question being asked again
>why would Russia declare war on Turkey?
I guess that's why the Su-57 isn't stealth.
>constantinople returning to catholic orthadox and persians
sounds like its going to the people it belongs to
they already waged war over Bosporus. they agreed never to close it again. even during Cold War it was not closed. it will never be closed again.
Turkey has switched geopolitical sides. It's just that many people haven't realized it yet and they're not advertising it because it's beneficial to them to keep it ambiguous.
More like they've calculated the risks/gains. They understand American is a waning power and are taking advantage of the Chinese/Russian power.
>>They literally defeated the kurds already, what world do you live in?
>Take heavily casualties for little gain
>Armor pieces getting demolished because they are operated by literal 69 iq roaches
>Gain little ground the whole time
>Withdraw and hide behind your border and claim victory
>"defeated the Kurds"
>So is S-400 more useful than F-35?
If you're a third rate country worried just about protecting your air space from second rate countries, then yeah, probably. Particularly when you start to consider cost in the monetary and strings attached sense. OTOH if you aren't in that category then no.
thats not an argument. US doesn't have the radar tech that they have.
U.S. should downgrade its reliance on Incirlik Air Base and remove its nuclear weapons. Those nukes could become hostages in any serious confrontation.
>>Take heavily casualties for little gain
They lost 20 guys and killed 6000 kurdish fighters.
>>Gain little ground the whole time
>Withdraw and hide behind your border and claim victory
They took the fucking territory, they literally won and killed all kurds that opposed them and flooded the area with loyal arabs so that no kurdish insurrection could ever form again.
Is there a Vidya where I can play a Turk and blast Kurdish commie scum?
Chinks explain. Chinks stole the plans for both of the planes. They know how they perform.
it'll turn out even worse than their homeland turk tank. they'll start out and realize that they can provide no powerplant, avionics, sensor suite and weapons
>according to chinese media
I don't think there's any game about that, the only Turkish made game I know about is Mount and Blade and that's a medieval warfare simulator.
my mouth is watering over imagining all the unironic antifa scum that came from the west to fight that mustve died in there
>chinese
yes, chinks know more about F-35 than any other country besides the US. they successfully cloned a lot of it too. and they also have Su-57 data as well. they're in a unique position to analyze both.
Why don't we just kill all the chinks already?
i encourage you to try. if you do, Japan will sink under the ocean and South Korea would be shelled to dust in the first 48 hours. the american navy wouldnt be able to take the south China Sea and be denied a land invasion. Chinese air and naval superiority would determine the whole conflict, and the best part would be the mutts face when they see their carriers sink.
>my mouth is watering over imagining all the unironic antifa scum that came from the west to fight that mustve died in there
tons of them survived and came back.... like this jewish Antifa commie.
that's not even the worst
there's so many of them there...
imagine being so insufferable that the kurds get tired of your shit and stop using you as free cannon fodder
Meanwhile in Idlib…...
You are all seething that these onions boys have more combat experience than you will ever have. Face it, unless you are in the military you probably won't engage another armed combatant in your life. Meanwhile these liberals straight out of Berkeley have.
stay mad commie, stay mad
t. LARPer
Nice projection.
Antifa is an international armed militia organization that operates all over the globe. They have legitimate combat experience in large numbers and are funded and properly trained depending on the group and location. Either way, they are all tied by their common belief to remove fascists wherever they are. They are united, armed, trained, ready, willing, and have proven themselves effective.
Can fat white supremacists say any of this about themselves? You'll never raise your rifle for your beliefs, either because you are a pussy or because you are actually ashamed of who you are. Which is how it should be you racist piece of trash.
>Can fat white supremacists say any of this about themselves?
Unironically. We literally have more of us over there than you do.
Also
>They are united, armed, trained, ready, willing, and have proven themselves effective.
Wrong. You got kicked out by the Kurds. Because you suck and do nothing but posture.
>Unironically. We literally have more of us over there than you do.
Do you have any proof to back that claim up? Or this just more trailer trash ramblings?
Yeah, we didn't get told to pack up and leave by the YPG.
Remind me again why Turkey is in NATO?
>inb4 muh Bosphorus
Not a fucking argument as Turkey doesn't cockblock Russian vessels in the first place.
>we didn't get told to pack up and leave by the YPG.
Well... yeah because you weren't ever there in the first place... and until you prove otherwise that's how it is. Sorry Cletus.
The amount of amerishit cope ITT is astonishing.
Americunts are fat fragile little bitches that cant stand it when they aren't the center of attention
>Why don't we just kill all the chinks already?
Because you can't.
Why is anyone in NATO yet? Why does NATO still exist, amerishit?
youre a samefagging troll don't even try to hide it
They fought against the norks and chinese during the korean war.
Ameripig fagstench cope.
You're still a troll, even if that's not shopped
This. It's amazing that some people just don't get it.
have you really gotten to the point we're you download vatnik memes? user this is pathetic
It's more to do with Turkey generally throwing a shitfit with NATO and the US. Weapons purchases don't exist in a vacuum, they're heavily influenced by domestic and international politics.
>poleniggers flying F-35s
good luck when they crashed half of their shitty MiG-29s already lmfao
Go away coping retard.
>And he just keeps biting
They wouldn't post if it wasn't for people like you that gave them attention.
>Because you suck and do nothing but posture.
Which is ironic because that was all the Kurds would do too.
>They fought against the norks and chinese during the korean war.
Relevance to current times? Relevance to NATO?
You idiot. Russia doesn't need to invade Turkey when Turkey uses s400. They can just fly through it and breeze through their s400s to strike Europe from behind.
They would have to if they were already at war with (pick other NATO country).
What actually happens is China gets its navy shredded in a second and North Korea is obliterated instantly. Japan then invades and claims its clay in the north east of China while supported by Vietnam in the south and India in the west. All while American planes assure air superiority. Mongolia will see that China is vulnerable and come back over the wall, supported covertly by Russian seperatists. Chinese infantry will be overwhelmed as they try to conscript new men, as they cannot deal with the fact that 60% of collage age chinamen are short sited and need glasses to fight. The paper dragon will crumple as its food supply is cut off and 0.5 billion chinks resort to cannibalism. Some nukes will be fired off in desperation and shot down by America. Such is the end of China.
Imagine believing this.
Imagine believing the other guy's shit. China's going down. It's got demographic problems with age and gender ratios. It's half blind. It's economic blossom has already ended and if they start any shit now, America gets to abolish a couple trillion dollars in debt they own them.
[laughs in slav]
>It's got demographic problems with age and gender ratios
>It's economic blossom has already ended
Imagine believing this. Again.
I'm probably wasting my time trying to explain this to you but anyway....6% out of 14 trillions = 840 billions (China currently) is more than 9% out of 5 trillions = 450 billions (China ten years ago). Can you understand basic algebra? Do you now understand why the "China's economy has stopped growing" meme is such abject nonsense?
>14 trillions = 840 billions
It equals 14 trillion. And China doesn't have that many people to begin with. It's around 1 billion.
>It equals 14 trillion. And China doesn't have that many people to begin with. It's around 1 billion.
What the fuck are you even blabbering about?
America's sphere of influence continues to shrink.
dude I want whatever you are smoking right now
O kurwa, zajebioza.
I am curious whether Polish F-35 could provide over the horizont targeting for our Kongsberg NSM batteries.
Because it's easier to let them kill themselves. All we need to do is come up with some way to get them to build more buses and escalators.
America will likely cannibalize itself in a second civil war.
>Trump shows up at press conference after private meeting with Erdogan
>Still wearing some roach cum on his cheek
>"Erdogan is a pretty good guy. We'll sell him the F-35 anyway. No problem."
>Roaches get their way
>Continue getting shit on by Kurds
>Find some way to break the F-35
>Probably end up losing a couple to some MANPADS armed camel fucker
>Gonna have to deal with vodkanigger shitposting when a roach inevitably "accidentally" flies an F-35 into russian airspace and winds up interred or just flying into the side of a mountain.
>The world keeps turning
China would sooner be pushed into a civil war for democracy than America would fight over race.
Only a retard could believe something so stupid.
Is that supposed to be an argument, or are you just stating an opinion? Because last time I checked, chinks are a hell of a lot more inclined to murder the fuck out of each other than Americans. Even when they aren't trying to kill each other, they're really good at killing each other.
>killswitch
you mean the same killswitches the US can use on Iranian pre revolution hardware? The ones that don't exist?
Are you retarded or something? The murder rate of Asians is the lowest.
Based on what evidence?
Democracy as an ideology is crumbling. It's not the 60s anymore gramps. There's no use for democracy when it pushes transsexual fetishes and welfare for lazy niggers.
That's just because them killing themselves doesn't count as murder, but rather it is known as suicide.