WW2 Plane Thread

Is the P-40 massively underrated?

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Yes. Held its own against supposedly superior aircraft, but had the ruggedness to bring its pilots home, unlike the aircraft of a certain Asian archipelago nation with a weird obsession with cherry blossoms.

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No, it got BTFO with alarming regularity and the only saving grace was excellent pilots under extreme conditions that made it work because it was all they had.

>unlike the aircraft of a certain Asian archipelago nation with a weird obsession with cherry blossoms.
Those particular asians came up with rugged survivable fighters eventually. After that they reverted all their old meme aircraft into human piloted cruise missiles, because survivability wasn't a huge issue for a one way trip.

Too slow

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Did you just say something against the P-40?
Whats that YELLOW stuff on your pants? Are you a Jap???
>flips thumb safety

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Based

It's not bad, but it's no Spitfire. Now THAT is a real WW2 plane!

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She's a skinny bitch

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Top tier reference.

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Nope, the P47 was a fat fucking slut for what she brought into battle.

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goddamn she thicc

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A Hellcat is thicc, a Corsair is thicc, a Wildcat is thicc - but a P-47, son, is a pigfat SSSSBW who lost the last bit of control over her eating habits.

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Imagine filling up four 200 Gal tanks with 1 gal buckets.

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T-I-G-E-R-S

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>mfw the autistic screeching intensifies

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Never in the field of battle has so much humiliation been meted out by such a complete anachronism

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You'd be pretty fat too if you ate an entire turbocharger

Thankfully she eats kraut and nip equipment and personnel.
With the occasional train on the side.

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Got to love the underdogs

This video gave me an appreciation for the Devastator.
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Always wrote it off as crap, suicidal to bring into battle, and thought the Navy was near criminal for using it. Learning its full history and how big of a leap it was from what came before, now I kind of like it in a way. And even if the USN had a modern torpedo plane at the start of WW2, their torpedo issue would have hindered from being truly effective.

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Try this on for size.

P-26 peashooters vs AM6 zeros during the first few hours of the (jap) invasion of the Philippines
And they were out numbered.

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Best Carrier Fighter coming through.

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If you own a cheap hatchback car, its probably more bulletproof and literally faster than a Swordfish. Which is mostly made of canvas, string and petrol.
>Crippled the Bismark
>Spotted for Warspite during the battle of Narvik
>During the N-African campaign at their peak they sank 50,000 tonnes of German shipping a month... for 9 months. Except for one month they sank 98,000 tonnes
>Jumped on the Italian navy, fucked them so savagely at Taranto that Italians didn't want to play sailors any more

Of course, when things went badly, they went so bad in only the way a flying deathtrap on fire can.

Imagine being a Japanese pilot in a Ki-43 and seeing that formation descend upon him

most produced fighter of all time (33k built)

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It's a little underrated, it did so poorly to begin with in North Africa mostly because of how Green the USAF was, both at an institutional and individual level, compared to the Luftwaffe, which at that point was extremely experienced and only starting to suffer from the cumulative attrition of the Battle of Britain and Barbarossa.

It's Performance was not bad compared to the Bf-109E, which it mostly faced in north Africa.
It's climb and high altitude performance were definitely worse, however at the lower altitudes it was as fast and roughly as manoeuvrable, with better dive acceleration and arguably better armament.
It also enjoyed considerably longer range, higher ruggedness and comparatively more carefree handling.

>USAF
*USAAF sorry

Why were the italians so shit in WW2?
of all wars possible, this seems to be the one they shit the bed in worst.

Yes. In the book Fighter Group by Jay Stout there was a section about a post war test that pitted all American, British and German fighters against one another. The P-40 stood along with the Spitfire, P-51D, F4U Corsair and Fw-190D as one of the best fighters of the war.

When you have Mussolini to fight for, only putting in the bare minimum to not get shot probably tends to seem like a good idea. Higher up: corruption to hell and back. And of course a lot of what we know about Italian performance also comes from German generals in severe need of a scapegoat, which may also colour things a bit.

Proof that any tool no matter how old and shitty can do a job well when used correctly.
Keep the sword fish away from fighters, and she does her job fine. Most AA fire went through the canvas without doing much damage.

There was a tale of a bf109 ace who emptied his machine guns and cannon into the rear of a thunderbolt, and the thing flew home. The pilot was saved by his bulletproof seat, and he couldn't manoeuvre as his plane was crippled.
He stopped counting bullet holes at 200.

So sexy

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Officer core was shit.
When under German command in Africa they performed well.
They had excellent mountain troops, who were sent to die on the fucking Russian plains.

Why were their officers so shit at war?
They partook quite heavily in the first war with moderate success, i imagine some leadership and experience would result from such.

Would have been the undisputed best fighter of the war if only she could have entered service a littler earlier.

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Were the Co-Belligerent forces who fought with the Allies any better? They rarely get mentioned in history books.

The bongs and krauts already one upped the beercan before wwii even ended, they had operational jet fighters.

The political officer class treated the men like total shit. Didnt feed them or supply them. Also when it came to fighting the majority of officers were to be found in the infirmary, on the toilet, in the kitchen, generally anywhere but the front.
At the end of the war Italians fought to get home and kick out the Germans. They cared for their home, not Africa nor Russia.

I remember that one. The German pilot emptied his guns into the Thunderbolt, pulled up along side it, saluted, and flew away.

Are you sure he wasnt an australian?

Lets get some love for the lesser known ww2 fighters

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P-80s were ready by the end of the war.

Kind of forgetting naval jet aviation didn't kick off till well after the war. Bearcat was pretty good for a fighter very good for a naval one. Even then, if we're saying ww2 naval fighters I would vote the sea fury, with the corsair for looks and actual work done.

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Not fat, muscle. At high altitude, where power is king, she was nimble.

>After pulling out of an uncontrolled spin and with the fire amazingly going out on its own, Johnson headed for the English Channel, but was intercepted by a single Fw 190. Unable to fight back, he maneuvered while under a series of attacks, and although sustaining further heavy damage from hundreds of 7.92 mm rounds, managed to survive until the German ran out of ammunition. The German rocked his wings to salute Johnson, then turned back. His opponent was likely the commander of III/JG 2, Oberst Egon Mayer. After landing, Johnson tried to count the bullet holes in his airplane, but gave up after the tally passed 200 – without even moving around the aircraft.

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P-51 pilots were told to just not engage

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that's cheating desu
it was completely redesigned during the war

It was usually somewhere along the lines of bordering obsolescence to impressive performance, all the while held back by its anachronisms.

Did that plane fly again?

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Because at high altitude, D model P-51's running 150 octane at 65-72" mercury didn't need to. They literally had a 40 mile per hour speed advantage above 20,000 feet. Even F4U-1D's were outrunning them at all altitudes, let alone later models like the F4U-4's.

The whole "Forget it - it's a Frank" thing only meant that it wasn't worth scrambling fighters already on the ground if they noticed ki-84s coming in on the radar because at that point they would be impossible to intercept before they left. It's not like allied pilots were told to avoid them at all costs. Almost all of them were destroyed in action.

the p-40 wasn't the thunderbolt, thats the p-47
p-40 was the warhawk

It climbed, turned, and rolled worse than its predecessor. It had 6 .50s, dived well, and was cheap. I wouldnt want to fight in one. Id rather be in a p36 or p39. It was inferior to a bf109f4 in every way other than armament (debatable, i prefer a nose cannon in sims to wing guns) high speed handling (which it wouldnt stay at long), and stability.

IIrc it was scrapped

>held back by its anachronisms.
Which are?
Great low speed maneuverability, best climb, and top tier speed (not the e's or g6) are good fighter characteristics

109's have shit low speed maneuverability...

Thunderbolt might not be the best, but it’s definitely what i’d want to fly.

>massive cockpit for maximum comfy
>more than enough dakka
>can always dive away to safety
>Mustangfags handle the long-range escort missions, leaving you the fun stuff

Can you honestly say you’d prefer to fly 1000 miles into enemy territory when there’s plenty of good railroads and fuel depots to strafe?

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Lmao what the fuck are you on
Slats out dicks out
Vets knew the mustang would almost get ya but if ya kept cool and pullin they would stall or loose alt and you'd be on them in 10 seconds

Maybe slats arnt modeled in warthunder, im talkin irl

Yeah those Romanian birds were class

>Which are?

The landing gear distance is extremely narrow, the cockpit is set deeper inside the fuselage, cramped cockpit with poor visibility, low fuel capacity, hand cranked flaps, non-retractable tail wheel on most models, it has a light armament, and it isn't particularly easy to maintain.

>P-400?
>yeah thats just a P-40 with Zero on his tail

ww2 pacific theatre bants

>UNF

Okay warthunder

>the cockpit is set deeper inside the fuselage
Fits like a glove
>light armament
Mk108 or mg151, gunpods,13mm mg's, nose mounted, are plenty, light armament = yak
>isn't particularly easy to maintain.
Source?

Okay, anons. A genie appears before you, and you can wish for one WW2 fighter to appear in your all-expenses paid private hanger. What do you pick? The Fw 190 D-9 is my pick.

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>Mk108 or mg151, gunpods,13mm mg's, nose mounted, are plenty, light armament = yak

Just because that was guilty of it too doesn't mean its a good thing, especially when it compares poorly to other aircraft in German service.

>Source?

Fw-190 J. Richard Smith and Eddie J. Creek. You have to raise the rear of the aircraft for certain kinds of work, more so than most other fighters.

>Fw-190 J. Richard Smith and Eddie J. Creek. You have to raise the rear of the aircraft for certain kinds of work, more so than most other fighters
Sound soo hard. A real nightmare were napiers or allison engines

god the jug was a beast.

100% has to be a Corsair.

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>All these fighter babies.

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Once again, just because you can find a worse example somewhere else doesn't mean its excusable. Especially when its the air frame itself that's the issue, not the DB engine. Not trying to say the Bf-109 is the worst plane ever, just that it was made a little awkward by design choices that were kind of dated.

they were the least industrialized and educated of the european nations without any real cause to fight for aside from some nebulous concept of reviving the roman empire
try selling that to a bunch of illiterate poverty stricken conscripts armed with obsolescent gear and get them to fight

Plucky Bongs

p-38

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brrr brrr brrr brrr brrr brrr brrr

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What's the ultimate meme plane?

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no hate for henschel pls

QUACK

shooting these in il-2 sturmkovik was so fun. it became my favorite plane as a kid

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It's the clothes. Something like close to half the internal volume is air ducts for the supercharger.

Why they needed so much ductwork, when even other US planes using the same engine (F6F, F4U) used less, I don't understand.

totally unrelated to OP but is it legal to paint LSA/ultralight plane like that? just for the lols