Ruck Marching

All the branches go to the same school at eglin AFB
and the EOD doesnt change munch by branch they all get assigned the same job and get attached to different units. you do not work only for your branch

do all branches do underwater EOD as well?
Whatever I'm referring to included the dive training and you'd graduate diver qualified. if everyone gets that too then that's interesting but unexpected.

I think the navy get more qualified for that but dont quote me. the navy EOD might be the only one with dive training.

No.

Start off with distance, not weight.

35lb dry to start. 2 mile, 4 mile, 6 mile, 8 mile. 15 minutes a mile is the absolute minimum. 13 minutes is the infantry standard. SF go a little faster but 13 is about as fast as is practical. Add water. Expect to consume 1 liter water per hour. 1 liter = 1 kg.

then do 45lb dry. For reference, a casual infantry PT session is 45-55lb dry for 6-8 miles. A good one is 60lb dry for 12 miles w/ 6 liters water.

Weights will always end up heavier than you think, but the distance is the killer. So is pace. Keep it steady. Speed up on downhill stretches. If you are going further than 4 miles, use foot powder. Keep in mind it wears off after about 6 miles.

and FFS, learn to tuck in and tape down your straps. Always use the belt. The chest strap usually doesn't matter.

I knew an army diver when I was joining up. He said it’s a hard school but you do some pretty bad ass shit. They would run with their dive masks on stuff.
I guess the AF could have something similar. If anything you’ll probably be attending the same dive school as the army recruits if that’s the case. I know for medics they all started going to Ft. Sam Houston

i dont know shit, i just do casual hikes, but this user seems helpful.
weight is always heavier than you think, don't go heavy at first or you may injure yourself.
for footcare though I just change my socks, however I find good pairs of socks can last 10 miles. the issued socks are absolutely wretched, however.

i'd never use my standard socks for hiking, now I use merino wool socks almost exclusively and they last 10 miles a pair easy before I think they're worth a change. but maybe im lucky with the blisters.

honestly never thought about socks, i just have cheap walmart ones

>always the use belt
if someone doesn't use the belt when they have 30lbs or more in their pack then they're actually retarded. the belt does nothing but help.
in fact, that's where most of your weight should be displaced. I can't even fathom someone not using it, I've never seen it, but i wasnt a grunt or anything.
civilian straps often have places to tuck danglers or velcro roll them.
i wouldnt worry about all of this before someone is joining though.

op just fucking google hiking backpacks and what to look for. how to pack them. what to know when hiking etc etc.
then go find some place to hike and bring plenty of water.
you'll learn how to "ruck" when it's time to ruck, but if you can hike at an accelerated pace with the same weight then you're basically rucking.

socks are one of the items i will splurge a little on because good socks go a long way. I've done 15 miles with 1 pair before and had absolutely no problems. Idr the brand, but they were wool too. They were just some of the nicer ones you can buy at the exchange that were in regs.
socks and pack I put the most value on.

I always use to pair of socks: Thin and thick wool socks. Blisters mostly come from the skin being rubbed.

*Two pair

Good socks are a thing you will buy eventually. Don't worry about it yet. Regular green wool socks are fine.

Some people like do double socks. It works for them but overall it's a distraction IMO. Swap socks around every 8-12 miles if you're going further than 15 miles. At those ranges 1 in every 3 liters water should have rehydration salts.

Also learn to pack. Heavy stuff high and close to your back. Bulky but light stuff below. Put the camelback under the flap where it won't slide out if empty.

Rucking is mostly mental desu. Not that it's not quite physical, but if you're used to it keeping going at a constant pace and not complaining give better results than perfect shape.

Also don't slouch your spine. Stand straight on your legs and swing them from your hips like an autist trying to dance. Don't land on the balls of your feet. Use the heels. You'll be too tired to do anything else anyway after a few miles.

AF EOD's pipeline use 45 pound rucks, get used to that. Also don't listen to the user who told you to get a MOLLE II because AF combat units have a hard on for XL ALICE packs during their indocs.

Also make sure you can max the PAST requirement for EOD (I think they are back to doing the PAST?) Lastly the biggest thing that flunks EOD's are the academics not the PT.

All good but don’t forget your feet. Condition to whatever boot you’ll have to wear in school. I recommend light boots and good insoles that you’re used to. The soft boots with the foam fillings may feel nice in the store but anything that retains water can fuck right off. Foot powder is nice but rubbing alcohol is better for conditioning. Hit it before and after. Don’t fall victim to the slough.
Definitely merino wool; 70% minimum. Smart wool, Pistil or Darn Tough

Where my Darbyniggers at?

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>What pack would be good for ruck march training? I want one that will be able to carry at least 100 pounds. Will most hiking type packs be able to carry this much, or is there a specific type I should get, maybe with an internal frame? I’m looking for a cheaper-end pack. Thanks.
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>whats a good poor mans ruck marching setup? it will need to carry 100 pounds. I dont have much money to get a vest and plates like my friend has.

You made a thread on /out/, you made a thread on Jow Forums, now you made one on Jow Forums.
Which part of "train as you fight" don't you understand, nigger?

You're so dumb or are you just attention starving whore?

Fucking go, join the army and die for jews, cunt.
The Army needs You!

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Really you should avoid rucking as much as possible. I work in physical therapy and when your knees are gone you've got a lifetime of misery to look forward to. Running in general is very hard on your knees, and when combining a large load...I dont know if rucking entails jogging but if so I'd recommend power walking instead if you can to avoid pounding motions.

Your poor menisci can only take so much, and surgeons just LOVE to cut.

this.

Look for alternative training methods. I was just a 1-and-gone and my knees still took a beating
>lower back too

In the Marine Corps infantry, it is not uncommon to carry close to 120 pounds on a hike, especially if you are carrying a weapons system. Try to work your way up to that..

damn do you frequent all 3 of these boards or what?
also fucking lol that he cba to copypaste a simple OP.

>at least 100lbs
>AT LEAST
>100 pounds
holy shit we got a fuckin warrior right there.

rucking is just hiking in your gear with the boys. it's usually at a faster pace than a normal hike would be but at its core it's just hiking with all your shit.

yeah but that 120lbs isn't in the pack. maybe 80 of it is then the rest is all your other gear.
this guy apparently wants to carry 100lbs in his pack to be EOD. yikes.
op's gonna hurt himself at this rate

Minus a SMAW and an m4 it is pretty much all in our pack, sometimes we put our flaks in our packs and other times we did not. But yes OP will die if he tries that kind of weight as a beginner

Its pretty silly to even bother with trying to "practice" rucking. What he should be doing instead is a lot of body weight exercise to increase his general fitness, not destroy his knees before he even gets to basic

Jut /out/ & Jow Forums,
He's probably some retard kid.
Jow Forums is full of threads like:
"I want to build this"
"I want to be this"
"I'm thinking of joining this"
And then people waste their time giving advice, when in reality those are mostly just basement dwellers who want to do something but never will.

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just use the regular USGI green socks, theyre the shit. fuck those aftermarket memes.

Not a murican, but have some points which might help;
- Use the ruck they use on course; you'll be used to adjusting it properly and packing it through training.
-Ruck heavy, walk far, and long, 35-45kg, 13km; the harder you train, the easier long tabs will be.
-Learn how to fuel and hydrate while rucking to avoid cramping and injuries! Hydrate!
-Walk with a 5-9lb weight, maybe a medium weight bar with neon tape to simulate a rifle.
-Train your situational awareness while rucking; I'd attended a selection where they'd put up small signs indicating the path direction with weird shapes, I'd thought nothing of them, we were quizzed on the shapes after the tab and I lost points.

>use the ruck they use on course
dumb
>ruck heavy; walk far, and long
dumb
>Walk with a 5-9lb weight to simulate a rifle
dumb
>Train your situational awareness
fair but i doubt that's going to make or break him later on. it's probably not a test, most rucks in the military for initial training is to get people acquainted with a load and the gear they use.
how the weight should feel, how to pack, when to stop and assess yourself on longer movements, etc.

No beginner should go out and buy the fucking pack that some training command uses just to get used to carrying some weight.
Beginners shouldn't start heavy. That's how people get injured and unable to actually get into training.
There's no need to simulate carrying a rifle.

You don't need to fucking larp to get into shape and I don't know why people so often spout the stuff you do on here. Sure it sounds good, but these are people going in without any supervision from experienced people who aren't going to identify problems. So they form bad habits like leaning forward, packing improperly, having straps too tight or too lose, etc.
The vast majority of people who enlist to do these jobs haven't hiked with a proper pack a day in their life. Very few people hike with more than 30lbs of stuff and virtually no modern hikers hike with more than 60lbs of gear at a time. For good reason, too.

This sort of advice is going to get someone fucked up.

Save your knees and back, do squats, deadlifts, and use an “assault bike” (exercise machine not a death cycle) I shit you not your Ruck times will improve without the expense of destroying your body.

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If I ever see a faggot like this running down my street, I will kill him.

Legends meant to scare your enemies =\= pt standards
Also: I haven’t seen the 12mi/4hr basic standard. It was 2mi/12min

Glad I live on base then :^)
You won’t.

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this is nothing. i run 60 miles every other day. up hill both ways.

Former 11B here, longest hump was 35 miles over a couple days, full load. Infantry standard is 15 minute mile with 45lb pack. Keep your feet dry, extra socks and foot powder. Some guys use mole skin to prevent hot spots from turning to blisters. Your feet will eventually get fucked up and blister, depending on how far you go. Your goal is to keep up and don't quit. Ruck marches suck, no matter how long you've been doing them. Also trim your toe nails so your socks don't rip them off

>get stuck checking IDs at a checkpoint
That won’t happen, you’ll just become a bulk fuel specialist.

Oh and make sure your boots fit. Put them on and lightly kick something, if your foot slides they're to big. Your feet will swell during the march, so you don't want boots to small either. Wrong time of year, but never wear snivel gear on a forced march, because you'll be that guy that has to stop halfway to take it all off.

>Every soldier carries a 50-pound load
You know how I know this guy sits behind a desk all day, can't do any of this fucking shit himself, and has never spoken with a soldier or been around one in his entire, miserable life?

this is pretty critical.
> be me
> ait
> volunteer for company rucks
don't judge me pls
> use my assualt bag. maxpedition
> rucking weight increasing every week
> finally get bag too full to use my assualt pack
> borrow alice
> load to weight
> ruck in agony
> every angle different
> limp back with hip muscles shredding
> walk funny for a really long time
yeah, i was a tard. Don't be like me

>not putting the camelbak on the molle and never using it
>not doing the whole ruck with just a 20oz powerade you bought from a vending machine right before stepping off
>not filling your entire ruck with water bottles or sapi plates
never gonna make it

>56 miles in 4 hours
lmao

56 miles in 4 hrs is bullshit

First tip, don't be short, second tip, ignore the knee and back pain, third too, get good socks, ballerina socks supposedly help against blisters, not even joking, also keep practicing at a fast pace.

>56 miles in 4 hours
thats 14 miles in a hour, so 4.2 minute mile.
Yea no thats not fucking happening. no one can keep that pace

>carry maximum 1/3 of your bodyweight
That sounds odd, 40 lbs is not exactly much.
A good set of clothes weights like 10 lbs, the backpack itself another 5 lbs, an M-16 another 7,5 lbs, two magazines another 1,5 lbs, a small tent 5 lbs, sleeping bag another 3 lbs, isolation mat another 1 lbs, air matress another 2 lbs, 2,5 L of water and you have your entire 40 lbs spend.

>no unit patch or anything to prove you’re not a POG larping
Hmmm

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>ruining your knees in preparation for ruining your knees

What insoles do you reccomend?

Honestly dude fuck all these people.
You dont need to ruck. Do cardio and ace your PT test, thatll prep you more then anything.

It depends on your foot. I’d recommend actually getting some made but honestly I never have. I use the beaten-ass insoles that came with my old Reebok boots or those “combat boot insert” they sell at the PX for $2.60. However, I’m weird and so are my feet. Try out some ortholites or equivalent. Insoles get hyper specific once you get up there in the high-end hiking stuff.
Take all instructions from the whiteboard, bro, what could be easier?

>100 pounds in a ruck
It's called combat service support, you know. Logistics? That thing that we have and use so that frontline troops don't ruck over 50-60 pounds of shit into combat?
>inb4 "I rucked 150 pounds into combat with the Haji's, STFU FAGGOT!"
Blame your LT and PSG for fucking your joints up for life you big geye. Cause that shit should be pre planned before you ever step off on any Op, ever.

Don’t worry about that now. Your knees only have so many bends.

how the fuck is this related to weapons?

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You should treat your feet as good as you’re able to. If your feet are fucked, your body, mind, and soul are going to suffer.

It's not but op, and the rest of Jow Forums, are so retarded and homosexual that they dont' understand the difference

This is not in any way factual and I can't imagine how retarded you would ah e to be to save it to a hard drive other than to make fun of some retard named Peter McCalaster