China will sanction General Dynamics and Raytheon

>Be brony nigger
>Also be Chink shill

They have subsidiaries that have business stakes in China.

Maybe China will arrest some of their CFOs as well.

Get blown out, Chang. Hey, you think those sanctions will stop the rampant theft of intellectual property in the mad hope they can compete?
No, it won't, because all they can do is steal.
Not all bad though, maybe they'll steal an escalator design that doesn't eat people.

Sanctions mean that Americans get arrested in China and your companies assets seized. China will also pressure their vassals like Cambodia and Thailand to arrest and extradite American managers.

No they don't you stupid Chink. General Dynamics does not sell military equipment to China.

>China will also pressure their vassals like Cambodia and Thailand to arrest and extradite American managers.

You wish. Maybe we'll rape that Chink CEO bitch to death for you.

BASED

ARREST AMERICAN CFOs AND SENTENCE THEM TO DEATH

Fairly certain you'd see a "regime change" were that to happen.

Based.

I hope China kills Apple and Boeing

>He doesn't know about the NATO Pacific Fleet.

This is the first time American companies have been sanctioned by someone... So, how does it feel, mutts?

Fuck China.

Honestly I couldn't even give half a dog turd.

This.

This but unironically.

>What's the point? General Dynamics doesn't do business with countries that aren't either the US or best friends of the US.
You can be almost certain they're dumb enough to source various things from chinese suppliers.

>MUH CAPITALISM FUCK YOU SOCIALISTFASCISTNAZICOMMIE
>Oh, why is America dependent on Chinese suppliers?
Americans never learn. They literally never learn.

I doubt it. Having defense equipment supply sources in the US is one of the things the DOD actually cares deeply about

Chink

No shit. I miss being able to buy shoes that stay intact and electronics that work more than twice.

lol you stupid mutt. They will sanction any company that does business with those 2 directly or in directly. So say, if Airbus sources something from General Dynamics, they will either have to terminate business or get fucked too.

We need to have that anyway. Might be a good excuse.

I wonder how that will effect the Chinese economy

The dragon fears the giant's sword.
龍害怕巨人的劍

Airbus is not going to terminate business relationships with the largest aerospace industry in the world because chinks are butthurt you dumb nigger

US abuses their power and superpower status by putting sanctions everywhere and never gets any punishment for their own wrongdoings.

Now this is payback.

Its the first time another country has put sanctions on the US.

Welcome to the post American world order

And China is the largest Airbus market BY FAR

What is more important to a company? Paying customers on which your entire company relies on? Or a competitor in the US who bends the rules so that their accident prone shitcans are allowed to fly?

Oh no, what will we do when Raytheon and GD can't sell their products to China? As we all know, that's a huge market for American defense firms.

>China makes it harder for itself to acquire equipment and technology that it would just copy
K.

>implying they would sell anything to the ChiComs in the first place

>"Maybe they'll steal an escalator design that doesn't eat people."
Fucking kek

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You would be surprised how many civilian subcontractors and suppliers your favorite MIC champion has which are vulnerable to Chinese sanctions.

>basing your argument on something that hasn't been established as fact

Laugh now westerner, for soon, the golden age of Chinese inclined transport technology will be upon us all.

Care to elaborate?

>toothless sanctions

oh no!

Kek Chang is SEETHING. Taiwan is finally upgrading to actual modern tanks, get fucked chinks

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>Taiwan is finally getting an upgrade of semi-static pill-boxes that will get rekt during the first hour of invasion

We should let them develop nukes again. Apparently, they got pretty close before the US stepped in to stop them.

I don't know how that even works or makes sense. Taiwan is an independent nation not owned by China.

kek i mean it's a tank on an island user. of course they would use it for fire support lmao. anything is better than the pattons or whatever they have rn

You know what would be useful to oppose an amphibious assault comprised of light armor?

>Kek Chang is SEETHING.
It is the natural state of being a subhuman after all, always barking upward at their betters.

1 or 2 Virginia classes lobbing ADCAPs at the Chinese invasion fleet?

Actual armor that is dug-in would be a bitch to deal with during a landing. Light, amphibious, armor is not going to get ashore and win against an MBT. The way to deal with those defenders would be heavy bombardment which could result in civilian casualties. The Abrams is also a fast tank so it can move from one position to another. If a Chinese landing starts to gain a foothold then the tanks can be moved back to another defense line or push for a counterattack.

Taiwan has zero chance of getting US SSNs, not that they could even afford them in the first place. IIRC Electric boat is helping them to design a diesel submarine.
Good post.

I was suggesting the US place assets once they notice the buildup. While the strait is fairly shallow, Chinese ASW has lagged behind the rest of their naval development.

Taiwan having nukes would be an epic meme desu, make it happen.

>implying China would use armor to deal with armor

China has studied US operations enough to know that something called airstrikes and sensor fuzed cluster munitions are the bane of semi-static tank pillboxes. And other tanks for that matter as well.

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This, Japan as well.

Taiwan having nukes means no Taiwan anymore.

China has a saying; "we want the islands, not the people".

>something called airstrikes and sensor fuzed cluster munitions are the bane of semi-static tank pillboxes
A few things:
China would not be able to establish air superiority over Taiwan for a while, never if there was a CBG parked nearby.
I would imagine Taiwanese tankers are a cut above braindead Iraqis, and would use tanks properly.
>And other tanks for that matter as well
We're referring to the initial amphibious landing, where heavy armor would not be present in anything other than piecemeal numbers.

Pretty sure a nuclear deterrent would at least be enough to give the Chinese pause about attempting to invade. The density of most Chinese cities and industrial infrastructure makes them abnormally vulnerable to small amounts of nuclear weapons.

im betting the minute any conflic breaks out in the SCC taiwan is going to be accepting a shitton of US Navy F-18's and E/F-18's ready for ASuW and ASW

China still has roughly 40% of its population living in rural areas. Big cities are vulnerable, but it means no genocide for China compared to Japan, Taiwan, US.

China would easily gain even air supremacy over Taiwan. The island itself is literally within S-400 range and CSGs wouldnt dare to park themselves inside the Strait or anywhere near it due to the masses of shore based AShMs, let alone naval bomber regiments, SSKs and ASBMs.

Taiwan is literally dead meat the moment China begins their invasion.

Could China get enough strike aircraft over Taiwan to hit them and overcome air defenses? Can they have aircraft on station that can loiter and then fly strikes that become needed during ground action (The US achieves this with carriers).

Preliminary air attacks before an invasion may not always work and as far as I know, one has not been tried without also having stealth aircraft that could bypass the defense networks. Conventional planes trying to fly into a defended airspace would suffer losses.

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I hate the fact that I'm linking Binkov here, but he does bring hard numbers to what has otherwise been an entirely subjective conversation. Even in a scenario where the US remains uninvolved for some reason, Taiwan has the potential to be an immensely tough nut to crack.

>The island itself is literally within S-400 range
Don't use theoretical numbers against non-maneuvering, high altitude targets to judge effectiveness against modern fighters.
>CSGs wouldnt dare to park themselves inside the Strait
Why would they be in the strait?

How many dual use technology transfers did the US corporations facilitate?
They are traitorous profiteers.
Would love to see some Loral executives imprisoned in China.

>Why would they be in the strait?
Because uninformed people tend to assume that US Naval planners intend to park ships, whose entire purpose is to take the fighting far away from the ship itself, within visual range of the enemy.

Absolutely.
Ever worked with some older 80's era Hewlett Packard or Tektronix test and measurement electronics?
Built like tanks here in the USA.
I have an old Kaypro PC clone running DOS 5 with a 20 MB mfm hard drive that still boots up.
8087 math coprocessor too.

Any Chinese strike on Taiwan needs to be fast
>to prevent foreign powers intervening in one way or another

Given time, China could overwhelm anything Taiwan gets or does. The purpose is to buy time.

Who would support Taiwan if the mainland invaded?

Define "support"

>Soft support
Most of the West.

>Hard support
Maybe America (and then the Bongs), maaaybe Japan.

>China continues to shit on it's won economy.

As in actually fight alongside. Sending material aid won't matter much if it gets caught in a blockade or sunk. In the unlikely event China actually tried to invade and occupy, Taiwan would need decisive military support quickly enough to repel the Chinese invasion and to destroy enough equipment that another one would not be possible. To basically give the Chinese a bloody nose and keep them contained on the mainland- because a land war into China itself is not something anyone wants.

>China still has roughly 40% of its population living in rural areas.
Yes, and they would effectively be back to the 1800s in living standards with largely non existing heavy infrastructure and industries.
As a modern nation China would cease to exist.

Take a wild fucking guess.

good thing China has no say over our interaction with Taiwan

>General Dynamics
>Raytheon
>stakes in china
What?
I get maybe they source some things from there, but don’t the chinese make most of their own systems and hardware domestically?

>The way to deal with those defenders would be heavy bombardment which could result in civilian casualties
i... don't think china cares very highly about that

Exactly, couldn't have said it better myself.

As usual, China does something that causes them immense asshurt and thinks doing it in return will have the same effect.
>Someone sails a warship through the South China Sea or Taiwan Strait (international waters), China REEEEs and starts issuing statements or dis-inviting nations from events
>China sails some warships near Guam (international waters), nobody gives a shit and it doesn't even make the news
The fact they try to keep matching what it done to them show that what is being done is working.

Then they would be facing a very defiant population. Which they would be anyway, but there's a difference between civil disobedience and armed uprising. If the Chinese military didn't show care for life then the Taiwanese would be pretty much force to fight to an end. To where the island is destroyed or where the UN / NATO steps in and takes an active role in the fighting.

If the US doesn't step in Taiwan is toast either way

You realize that a large number of the taiwanese pop is pro PRC do you?

Fuck China, let them to convince us to bring manufacturing back home

Not if the PLA's warships and aircraft bomb the infrastructure to shit and kill a bunch of civies. That can turn loyalties very quickly.

That makes no sense.

In this thread: Chang doesn’t understand sanctions

If China keeps claiming Taiwan is China, by Chinese logic, the US selling military equipment to China.

Why do the Chinese get upset the USA is selling relevant military equipment to China? China should stop China from buying it. Sounds like China has a China problem.

generally speaking, most people stop being pro-government when the government starts bombing the shit out of you

It does, you are just retarded.

Why would a group remain pro-[the country that is bombing them]?
Which is what people were saying earlier about how tanks would be useful in a war. Because they can move to different environments and types of fighting, but the answer given was that the PLA would use heavy bombardment. Which could result in civilian casualties depending on the area. If a large part of Taiwan is pro-PRC, would that sentiment survive if a war kicked off and they were being directly affected by it?

as well as Cuba and Venezuela ;)

i don't think they would care
china plays the long game

Well it feels like nothing, honestly.
What should it feel like?

Yeah those rural people will :
1. Be completely useless living like Amish
2. Starve to death.

I'm skeptical of their ability to coordinate them but the majority of China's airforce is still J-7s that are basically rigged to be suicide strike craft to this effect. Like an aerial human wave attack.

Taiwan has a metric fuckton low tier sams specifically designed to counter that threat.

They are getting more now too, with the arms sale.