How does NATO counter the S-400?

they can't. that's why Amerispics are so mad about it and are threatening every country that buys it with massive sanctions.

Well, since F-15 had problems shooting down MiG-25 it's not something unheard of.

>system brags
The source of the picture is some random twitter account, retard.

>What are special ops raids?
>What are Apache ambushes with Hellfires?
>What are any combination of modern US tactics?
Shit that only works against untrained arabs.

Because nato (because america) is based on air power. Air power is expensive. Sams are much cheaper.

Also patriot is shitty

>Also patriot is shitty
It's significantly better than it used to be, but yeah. The only SAMs the US puts significant investment into are sea-based systems. For airspace denial, fighters are a much more flexible, survivable platform, but they require expensive aircraft, training, and educated personnel.

Low observable aircraft in SEAD roles in conjunction with jammers and decoys, conducting attacks using JASSM and HARM missiles.

Because lifetime operating costs are likely lower than a larger air force and it should be fine if you're fighting anyone other than NATO.

Iraq followed Soviet doctrine to the letter. The Iraq war was a valid representation of what a US invasion of the Soviet Union would have looked like.
>muh monkey models

I'd argue the land war would've been a much harder fight than Iraq turned out to be, simply due to how poor his military was, but air combat-wise, this is likely true.

Wild Weasel goes in every field

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>My plane isn't on the list.
Feels good frens.

What does YGBSM stand for?
>You're gonna be so mad?

Swarm of cheap glide or powered decoys. Give them HARM guidance. You have to shoot them or they'll smash your radar.

You Got To Be Shitting Me.
Reportedly spoken by a veteran B-52 EWO when told that he would be flying shotgun to a fighter jock, acting like a fly paper for SAMs.

These bad boys right here renders the S-400 more or less obsolete.
>radar return indistinguishable from real aircraft
>can be programmed to emulate everything from an F-35 to B-52
>can carry jamming equipment for stand-in jamming
>kamikaze functionality being added

The vatniks operating the SAMs will see several dozen identical contacts, all potential threats. If they choose to keep radars off, the shit they where supposed to protect will get bombed to shit by the aircrafts concealed by the decoys.
If they try to attack, they will get shredded by swarms of SDB-II.
And yes, the US has bought thousands of these.

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For all the promises if the S-400 being good it seems that it can’t do shit seeing how Russia and it’s vassals can’t stop anything from violating their airspace

hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

That thing used to trigger vatniks into unprecedented levels of anal anguish, second only to S-ducts.

Doubt you can get a decent objective response from user.

4channel is an f-16.net echo chamber where the current meta narrative is American tech is invincible and anyone using it is invincible. So we do not need to develop better tech and put the budget on politically correct statements like trans surgeries for our soldiers. And women in command.

Russians are fond of Matryoshka where the stats they present you is not real and when you uncover it you'll notice it is also not true and the truth is still beyond you.

The best bet is in sino defence forums where you can intelligently debate with superior minded individuals that you can be sure of having impressive military portfolios.

Anons in 4channel are so indoctrinated that some still even believe the stealth is a golf ball flying in radar stuff that US military tried to peddle back then.

>ground based air defense
>Ever

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waiter! yes, this pasta is stale! take it back immediately!

>Why Arabs lose wars

ISIS in technicals btfo'd Iraqis in Abrams, surely it is going to be the same with Iran vs America, amirite?

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Here's a good example of what I was talking about. It's an 'OMG he doesn't conform to the narrative! He must be a troll! He doesn't fit here! We must make fun of him! He is vatnik/chink/ gay/xenophobic/non-muslim/whatever!

Keep seething

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Chinks are the worst at analyzing any kind of military subject, they mindlessly drone the state propaganda and the current chink narrative.

It is pure chink military fanwank, utterly devoid of any real world significance.

Fire a Tomahawk or some other subsonic missile.
Wait for the S-400 radar to light up the incoming round with RF. Fire a salvo of HARMs from fast intradiction aircraft. Another salvo of Tomahawks being launch with HARMs would greatly improve the chances of knocking out a battery

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Basically, expend cheaper rounds to deflect and detect the weapon systems location, and then sending homing weapons to to take out the location.

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Whats the cost ratio for this missile salvo vs. an S400 system?

By having a functioning economy.

Nvm answered my own question.

An S-400 battery is around $200 million, a tomahawk costs between $500k to around $2 million, HARMs are $870,000.

This is the current narrative that the American government is trying to push down people's throat. It's because they cannot stop Chinese development so they resort to asymmetric warfare. It wasn't like this before the Ukraine conflict. Everyone appreciated Chinese technology in mp.net, but after CIA got btfo'd by Russia, they resorted to peddling fake news warfare because they will be eventually be eclipsed in a symmetric fight by a stronger China.

If there is only one battery it might not be a terribly bad ratio. If the location can be easily found after engagement, a 5 anti radiation missiles are bound to take out the site. The main issues would be putting the attack and support aircraft in immense danger, and the S-400 and its operators being smart enough to let smaller SAM systems attempt to target low value enemy weapons. S-400 is much better than Patriot or THAAD, but in a full engagement I think it only serves a real use in eliminating extremely high value targets attempting to destroy command and control centers.

Yeah I was just reading about the 42s6 morfey, which is in development for that very purpose

One probable but currently "unknown" tactic would to be to find the target AA system with a small interdiction raid, and then launch hyper sonic weapons that could actually out maneuver interceptors. I do not know what the state of these weapons might be though.

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>F-35 is basically the perfect SEAD platform

And how the fuck will it perform with carrying 2 measly missiles in it's belly? It would take about 20 F35s launching their 40 SEAD missiles to counter the S400....as you know, once they put on external pylons for weapons, they will be detected a lot easier and get blown out of the skies.

Oh, and don't count on ECMs, Russian ECM is years ahead of anything yanks can do. Just ask the Donald Cook's crew.

>What are Apache ambushes with Hellfires?

Lol, Mr Buk, Mr Pantsir and Mr Tor are very eager to send their 'presents' to the Apaches. Even the oldest Tor outranges Apache launched Hellfire missiles.

Unless they can sneak up in valleys and stuff...which is pretty hard to pull off in a desert, not to mention that S400s have aerial survailance all the time and Apaches aren't stealth.

Nice try Chang comeback when you have the greatest 4th gens and 5th gens

Your systems are so good they shoot down your own planes and also F-35s would most likely not be used for SEAD F-16s would

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>How does NATO counter the S-400?

Massive cruise/ARM missile barrage....that's pretty much the ONLY viable option, to overwhelm it.

Anything else is a waste of money and manpower.

The Donald cook thing was proven false
nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/07/world/europe/anatomy-of-fake-news-russian-propaganda.html

>surely it is going to be the same with Iran vs America, amirite

Compares iranians to arabs...you are a dumb one, amirite?
Iranians are fucking crazy, they used human wave attacks in the Iraq-Iran war with success!

>success
>stalemate
Ok tard

Giving credit to NYT....lol.

F16s would be buttraped by S400s. Unless they can like launch dozens of cruise missiles with at least 300km range...otherwise they will need to fly well into the range of S400s which will kill a shitton of them in the process.

>Your systems are so good they shoot down your own planes

Exactly, dude! In 2008 Georgia, even the russians couldn't ECM their own made Buks to prevent them from shooting down their planes.
If they couldn't, what chance do you think american ECM has against them? My money would be on 'negliable.'

>”it it’s fake news there’s no way state owned propaganda would lie muh based Putin”
Also you don’t realize how SEAD works do you go home armatard

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>the Russians can't do it with their underfunded tech and shitty air record so the Americans definitely can't

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Decoys an jammers my dear vatnik. Between MALD-J, AGM-158, SDBs and F-35, a flight of 24 or so planes could sanitize the airspace from any vatnik threat.

>Hypersonic missiles

>EW and cyber

>New long range missile and artillery programs

>Drones that can be sacrificed to reveal and destroy launchers and radars.

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>It would take about 20 F35s launching their 40 SEAD

It would be a conjunction of aircraft and possibly naval assets. A handful of F-35's intruding using ARMs backed by aerial decoys, cruise missile armed B-1's and possibly tomahawk strikes from the navy.

>Just ask the Donald Cook's crew.

That was a state run news article that a few people ran with.

Well considering how much vatniks claimed that GaN AESA (which they thought the Su-57 was getting) was immune to jamming, could counter stealth and I don't remember what other stupid shit, the Patriot must be turning into something lightyears ahead of the S-400. Because yes, the Patriot is getting GaN AESA.

The S-400 won't have some technological advantage despite Russians putting the priority on them, it's just that the system has additional missiles and radar to engage long range targets (and some other missile targets or whatever). The problem is that the long range is also the S-400's weakness in the sense that it's significantly harder to effectively engage enemy aircraft (especially stealth) at those ranges while it's a much bigger logistics burden.

A truck can carry only 4 missiles for the longer range S-400 missiles, while a Patriot truck carries 16. And then there are the additional radar and so on that increase the burden too. But trying to engage at longer ranges also significantly reduces effectiveness. Jamming and decoys become much more effective, missiles take longer to get there and so on. And every failed launch is much more expensive on logistics. I also doubt the S-400 has anywhere near the claimed effective ranges either.

In any case what I'm saying is that there's a logical reason the USA aren't building a S-400 equivalent, and it's not aircraft priority. It's the fact that they can consistently rely on aircraft to perform the longer range engagement role, which means they don't have to rely on something with so many disadvantages.

>Decoys an jammers my dear vatnik

LOL, at the stupidity of burgerbois, who don't even understand basic logic.

If the maker of a SAM, who dreamed it up, designed it and built it couldn't jam it effectively...then HOW in bloody fucking hell would others be able to, others who have never even had the chance to examine it closely to see how it works exactly.

Your stupid arrogance is such an amusement.

Here's another basic, logical question...

If the S400 is supposed to be so easily defeated as you monkeys suggest, then why is the US terrified of it that they try to bribe/threaten/blackmail everyone who tries to get it?

Don't even answer.

>Russians with their underfunded tech

Lol, go to sleep, little muppet.

Not the guy you're replying to but I have to ask, what about cost? I've seen cost numbers for the S-400 at around $500,000,000. If it's anything close to that it would make a system like that far more advantageous to anyone that isn't a major global power. The cost of F-16s and F-22s are about a third of that per unit, not counting the cost of maintaining them and how hard it is to find and train good airmen. A small country would get so much more out of it's dollar for buying an S-400 rather than sinking money into how many aircraft it needs to have a functioning airforce.

S series don't engage missiles like that, PANTSIR or similar would

>spotted second it takes off because it's a old POS
>Cant get in range to launch without being shot down

kek.

>4.8km/s

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It assumes grunts and cruise missiles blew them all up before any of our aircraft had to deal with them

This assumption, obviously, is retarded

So many upset and pathetic americans in this thread being delusional. LMAO.

>which is pretty hard to pull off in a desert,

And how much of Russia consists of fucking deserts user? Or are you talking about Turkey? Because if you are, here is a newsflash for you, Turkey is a NATO member.

Oil embargo

user, why do you post this shitty bait? Do your boss at the troll factory not realize that Jow Forums is a horrible place to spread propaganda on?

Post your guns with timestamp.

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Because vatnikistani electronics have ALWAYS been crude and unsophisticated, as shown by a long and colorful history of the west tech constantly shitting on vatnik SAMs.
Also, being the retarded vatnik you are, you appear to be unable to comprehend the difference between jamming and deception and how stand-in barrage jamming can be extremely effective if you can get the jammer in between the radar and the target, which is exactly what a MALD-J is capable of doing.

Now that the S-400 has ended up in NATO hands, it won’t be long until it is known all over NATO exactly how shitty the golden calf of the vatniks is.

>can't jam it effectively
Ah yes, the classic Russian immunity to the laws of physics.

>What does YGBSM stand for?
You Gotta Be Shittin Me

Burgerfat here. What would the US stand to gain by going to war with Russia? Pretty sure the only reason Russia is a bogeyman is to keep RTN stock up.

>why does the US prevent countries with frontline sensitive US equipment from buying Russian gear that would require the Russians to inspect the new US gear
gee whiz must be cause they’re afraid of the mighty S-400 XAXAXA

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>what would the US stand to gain
Jack fucking shit, it would do the same thing as a war with iran, that being bite us in the ass and piss off the general public even more.
>at least it's not the middle east again

>How does NATO counter the S-400?
wait for Syria to get them and see isreal shit all over them

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Getting rid of the prime financiers of pretty much every SJW movement in the US.
The vatniks created and funded BLM as well as bankrolled and backed Gawker, including during the Hogan trials.
They also fund far right movements, trying to fracture the US.

>implying turkey is going to break bread with nato/the U.S after this shitshow

>implying the russians aren't already fielding S500 and working on S600 (which they are).

Sorry vatnik, the S-400 is just a minor detail. If turkey where about to break, the first thing that would go is the NATO Nukes.
As it turns out, turkey is still the biggest partner in the nuke sharing program.
Your vatnikistani Potemkin missiles won’t change that.

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The unofficial motto of the Wild Weasel crews is YGBSM: "You Gotta Be Shittin' Me". This appears prominently on the logo patch of some squadrons. As the story goes, this was the response of Jack Donovan, a former B-52 EWO (Electronic Warfare Officer):

This was the natural response of an educated man, a veteran EWO on B-52s and the like, upon learning that he was to fly back seat to a self-absorbed fighter pilot while acting as flypaper for enemy SAMs.[12][13]

His exact words were: "I'm gonna fly with you, and we're gonna shoot a SAM site before it shoots us? You gotta be shittin' me!"[14]

The motto "First in, Last out" was also used

>Can shoot down the EF-111A Raven, an aircraft retired entirely from service in 1998

Well I'm sure the US is shaking knowing that if they ever dug them up from the boneyards and for some reason put aircraft that haven't been flying for 2 decades back into service the S-400 might hit them

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Lmao

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>Well I'm sure the US is shaking knowing that if they ever dug them up from the boneyards
You are actually compleatly on point here, at least regarding the Aussie F-111s. They were quite literally dug down into the ground

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Why not just sell them to a third world nation that will let them fall into safe disrepair ?

>Iraq followed Soviet doctrine to the letter.

I'll take things that didn't happen for 500, Alex!

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US wouldnt let them. They were forced to bury them because thats what the deal said when they were first bought.

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In what world could one of these take down a B2?

They did indeed though. Why do you think the chinese and the russians had a transformation post gulf?

Anyone have any recommended reading that basically summarized basic nato vs soviet doctrine?

I'm a fan of all Russian rocketry, it's something they have always been good at and the S-400 seems to be good on paper. Given how willing the west is to send their young men to die for the Qatar / Turkey pipeline I think we will see the S-400 vs the F-22 / F-35 in the next couple of years.

If they keep flying formation with civilian jets they might get close enough.

>If they keep flying formation with civilian jets they might get close enough.
ye olde cope post

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what are they called user?

>Jow Forums
>S400 and any slav weapon are shit
>irl
>reeee stop buying S400 you fucking cockroach
Well which one?

The one where the jews relentlessly shit all over russian IADS irl