Just how effective is the U.S. Military as a fighting force? How well would it do against other big military powers like the U.K./France/Russia? Is it a paper tiger or is genuinely effective?
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>How well would it do against other big military powers like the U.K./France/Russia
In conventional warfare, it simply has no peer. Russia obviously has copious amounts of nuclear weapons to prevent such a conflict from being purely conventional for precisely this reason.
The Navy really drives the statistics home. Who the fuck needs 11 aircraft carriers? lmao
>Who the fuck needs (insert ridiculous amount of expensive advanced weaponry here)?
I don't think that question has been asked by the DOD at any point since 1942.
The US military is pretty much HNIC at conventional warfare.
With this being said, it'd be a pain in the ass fighting a near peer adversary, especially Russia. The US is dependent on having time to build up forces in a region before a war starts, and on having intact ports and airfields to move stuff in. The build-up for the 1991 Gulf War took about six months, and the Iraqis didn't attack us during that time, which made it infinitely easier to get the entire war machine set up.
If, say, Russia surprise attacked the Baltics, the US would be starting out the war without very many logistics in theater (although the US has stuff pre-deployed in Europe and elaborate plans for getting it into action as quickly as possible) and the Russians would be able to slow down the US response further by hitting bases and ports with missiles and harassing US naval forces with anti-ship missiles, submarines, and mines.
This would mean that the US would barely have any forces in the region and would be reliant mainly on air power and local allies until the US could start to move ground forces into theater, which would take a while. This would make the fight a lot more even than the wars that the US usually gets into.
The US would pretty much certainly win in the end, but it would be a pretty bloody, protracted conflict.
>If, say, Russia surprise attacked the Baltics, the US would be starting out the war without very many logistics in theater (although the US has stuff pre-deployed in Europe and elaborate plans for getting it into action as quickly as possible) and the Russians would be able to slow down the US response further by hitting bases and ports with missiles and harassing US naval forces with anti-ship missiles, submarines, and mines.
This has more or less been the US expectation for how such a conflict would go since the mid-50s. The fighting seen on the plains of Europe would be on a scale that's simply never existed in human history.
It is an Imperial machine first and foremost and as so it carries the "burden of Empire"....and to make it worst it is the army of an Empire under the classic process of civilizational-imperial collapse.
It is spread all over the World, most of it's resources is to pay for this spread, it's weapons are optimized for it's Imperial role, it's soldiers are nihilistic, hedonistic and feminine, etc, etc...
This sort of questions makes no sense really.
How well would the Abrams handle winter conditions?
Considering it was initially designed to fight the Red Army in Germany, I'd assume quite well.
We have much, much less stuff in Europe than we did during the Cold War.
We've gone from 300,000 US troops in Germany to around 30,000.
Granted, the Russians have drawn down some too, but not nearly as much.
US mil is now chock-full of mexicans and blacks who have nothing to fight for and are just collecting their welfare checks.
And even white have nothing left to fight for.... they're being replaced and genocided at home.
This is true, but at the same time, the gulf in technology between the West and Russia has only increased. Not saying we wouldn't need way more troops to actually defend Europe, but I suspect that the conflict will be less about numbers and more about overall capability.
Would we still get BTFO'd by Russian tank regiments? Would we collaborate with the French and Germans? Who has the biggest tank dick?
In 1991 the Russians had 350,000 soldiers in Germany.
In 2019 Russia has 350,000 soldiers in its entire army.
Well, considering the Russians would lose air superiority over the battlespace fairly quickly, I'd imagine NATO and it's huge inventory of aerial strike and recon assets would give their tanks a healthy advantage over Russia's.
Its the only military that wasn't almost entirely dismantled after the cold war.
Due to the US’s superior air/naval assets, there isn’t much most countries could do that would “hurt” the US.
Not only is there a ton of tech, but your typical grunt is an absolute berserker and not only enjoys going to war, but nearly needs it to exist.
>Source:
I’m a former FMF Boatswains mate USN
Please refrain from making faggot opinions with no base. US Army is the greatest fighting force in the world and it will continue to be. Fuck polfags and fuck eurofags
>your typical grunt is an absolute berserker and not only enjoys going to war, but nearly needs it to exist
The beauty of an all-volunteer army.
>fuck eurofags
It's safe to say most Europeans recognize the fact that the US military is pretty good at what they do.
>1991
>Russians in Germany
Wtf are you talking about.
>doesn't know that the US airforce was clobbered in Vietnam
God this post makes me erect.
East germany, big brain
It wasn't though. The whole reason it shocked people was the fact that they were taking any significant losses at all. All of the following conflicts saw the USAF/USN heavily emphasize a protracted SEAD campaign before the bombing begins, which has proven to be incredibly effective.
Did the Red Army station troops in the DDR? I assumed it was mostly just NVA with some Russian elements thrown in.
Lol shows how much you know. In the military you are all equally worthless. There isn’t race in the military. Just death and porn
>before 9/11
Probably the greatest fighting force in the world
>in 2019
A broken hollow shell of its former self, trapped in a downward spiral of corruption, plummeting morale, and inter-service rivalry autism like the rest of the country. Combined with the fact that everyone else is finally catching up technologically speak, the United States is but a paper tiger.
To sum it up, the late 1980s and early 1990s were the apex of the US Military's power, the late 1990s were its stagnation (but still remaining fairly strong), the 2000s the beginning of its decline, and the 2010s its downward spiral, and it is no shape to fight a major war without either having its ass kicked, or a civil war breaking out at home.
Source.
Found the pog!!!!
Look up "Group of Soviet Occupation Forces in Germany"
ever read Red Storm Rising? It would be like that but with F-15E's and F-35's instead of A-10s
Not him, but the Soviet withdrawal was completed only in 1994.
lol
We'll stay the best and you can stay mad.
is that a CROWS?
> good
No
> lots of kit and equipment
Yes
Whether or not the U.S. military is 'good' is subjective, but you can't say that any other military is 'better'. Anything any military can do, the U.S. military can do better.
Well, the only Euro military with better training would likely be the Brits, but even then, the biggest predictor of success in modern conventional warfare is the logistical ability to bring large amounts of potent weapons systems close to the front. "Lots of kit and equipment" like cruise missiles, tanks, combat aircraft, and artillery are how wars are won.
>beards
Are those Chechens?
Hence why I said what I said. Individually they arent the best, but make up for it in logistics.
Fair enough. I'd argue that "best" in this context refers to the general ability to prosecute a war and complete objectives rather than the quality of individual infantrymen, but I get where you're coming from. In America's defense, it's much easier to recruit, train, and equip a small military to a very high standard than it is for a large one.
The us is probably the only country in the world that is able to and has the resources to attack any random spot in the world within a few days notice.
Compared to that, all other countries operate regionally instead of globally.
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This is my favorite internet article to read, short of some of the really old, good Cracked stuff.
TL;DR, this chart:
Global Warmaking Potential, 1937
Germany: 14.4%
USSR: 14.0%
UK: 10.2%
France: 4.2%
Japan: 3.5%
Italy: 2.5%
United States: 41.7%
Japan was gonna carve out their piece of the world, and had just done things no other military (carrier operations, combined arms tactics) had done. The US had people lined up around the block for soup. Just had to kick the door in, and the whole thing would collapse.
But you know what happened? The US rolled up its sleeves, cranked up BFG Division to 11, and chased the Imperial Navy across a good third of the world, moving so much men and material that the islanders of the South Pacific gave up their old gods and started worshiping aircraft. We developed an entirely new branch of physics just to put the hurt on, and the delivery system required to bring it to the party.
That was with our left hand.
The sheer disparity in naval size during that period is pretty telling as well.
Against conventional militaries it is by far the worst possible opponent you would want to deal with from the Air Force and Navy alone, but thats not to say things wouldn’t be a pain in the ass for the US as well, especially against Russia which still has a fuckload of artillery and land on their side. Logistically it is probably the best example of that in history, it can attack and land troops, gear, and all kinds of crazy shit in any random spot within a matter of hours. But that is against conventional, standing armies, against an insurgency just look at how well the last decade or Vietnam has gone.
The Red Army had a presence in every satellite country there was, especially after the shit Hungary almost got away with in 1956 and Operation Danube in 1968.
yeah, heres some cows under the thermal
how does it compare to a conventional use Humvee? is is a pain in the ass? i'd imagine it's better than sticking your dome out the roof
Jesus Christ
It's great for surveillance and you certainly feel more secure vs traditional gunners however some of the CROWS we used were such pieces of shit that I would not want to be in an engagement with them.
Think about it,
gunner:
>weapon malfunctions
>clear malfunction and continue
CROW gunner
>weapon malfunctions
>start sweating
>hit "Charge" a couple times and hope that clears it
>probably have to exit humvee and climb up to clear it manually
>die
Overall too expensive and fucky to really work better I feel. I think that they work much better as like a portable mobile RAID camera.
see pic related. What is wrong with this here?
POG mos is the best. you probably are not in any mos in any military though.
thats kinda what i figured. so maybe better when you're in a less isolated position, more support so if the m2 gets fucked you aren't alone?
>here’s a slogan to disprove you
Jesus Christ Cracked took a nosedive after the jews took over
I mean the Russians aren't that bad. With the Battalion tactical groups and Soviet operational doctrine and whatnot.
Just because you strung together a series of words, inbetween slurps from your big gulp doesnt mean you said anything. If you cant actually define, your stupid fucking terms or backup any of what you said with real fucking evidence fuck off.
You cant say this shit, without talking about how every other military's but china's and india's has also seen huge losses in investment. The Russian military probably more than any other. Being a Paper Tiger is relative, you cant be the strongest military in the world and be a paper tiger.
cant even stop syria from dabbing on their mercs or iran from dabbing on their planes
america is finished as a world power. russia and china on the other hand have been making constant gainz
the US was always technologically behind. this decade is no exception.
>the late 1980s and early 1990s were the apex of the US Military's power,
yet it couldnt hope to touch the USSR at that time.
so much for "best fighting force in the world"
The US has around 6000 M1 Abrams tanks while all the Eurozone nations have a pittance of MBTs that aren’t even worth mentioning. Euro nations like the UK and Germany keep so little MBTs in service their capabilities will be effectively neutralized once they take any losses. The Russians pad out their tank numbers with obsolete tanks like the T-62 and T-72 while having a small amount of modern T-80/T-90 tanks and less than 100 of that meme T-14 tank.
can't wait to finish learning mandarin so when china annexes the US i can be a labor camp leader whipping las creaturas to produce more puffcoats for our quantum masters
Your source: video games and call of duty fanfiction
Anyone who thinks difficulty fighting against insurgencies, or having political unease at home, is proof of inability/lack of will to fight as a military would be doing so at their own peril.
For the faults the US military has, remember that everyone else has it worse.
t. seething Russian
>dabbing on their mercs
I'm pretty sure Russia's the one getting their mercenaries murdered by Americans, not the other way around.
>can't wait to finish learning mandarin so when china annexes the US i can be a labor camp leader whipping las creaturas to produce more puffcoats for our quantum masters
kek'd.
CW2.0 is gonna be fun.
How delusional are you. Russia's economy is smaller than italy's or canada's. The only reason it isnt laughed out of every room in the world, is because of all the soviet nukes it still possess. China is gaining power, but still has no way to project and is sitting on a time bomb that is its current autocracy.
And yet somehow the nation was so pathetic and weak is crumbled without the US even needing to walk over and push it once.
China, is the only country with a chance of challenging the US in a war and that is decades away at this rate. Though it could accelerate it at a large cost to its economy.
economy has nothing to do with it you dumb burger. america is 22 trillion dollars in debt and has been on a decline in growth since 2008. its a sinking ship .
This
Euros:
Lazy attitude that America will take care of them militarily for free. Any budget is sapped away by social welfare for refugees and immigrants
Russia:
Corruption. Using propaganda shills as a bandaid to ignore the fact that the Russian Navy and Air Force is sorely underfunded, members are underpaid and often steal equipment to sell to Americans. Gay rape and forced homosexual sexual labor was an actual consistent issue and a massive embarrassment.
China:
Total joke.
The United States military would outright crush any opposing force. If we leave out nuclear weapons, it would be a bloodbath. What do you guys think about the impact of top secret technologies? I really think WW3 will involve the U.S. hitting opponents with earthquakes. I wonder just what horrifying death machines and viruses exist out there. What if WW3 is a bit of nuclear, heavy biological warfare?
>China:
>Total joke.
For now. Assuming Europe doesn't get weird, they're the only country that stands a chance to threaten US military dominance at some point.
completely eclipsed.
morale is at an all time low and recruitment numbers have hit rock bottom and standards are the lowest theyve ever been. almost every professional military has better trained men than them at this point.
as for equipment; theyve lost the tech edge 20 years ago, with their only 5th gens being an F-15 in a body kit and an F-16 in a body kit. with the abrams nearing is almost 20th iteration now, the tank itself has been proven to be woefully outclassed by modern ATGMs and russian tank munitions. major computing and cyber ablites are also gone as well, as almost all developers have left the country after the recession to find work elsewhere, meaning the US military has no worthwhile contractors anymore. (boeing cant even make its own stuff anymore).
meanwhile russia has the SU-57 with many many firsts in fighter jet advancements, like all aspect ASEA radar and the first hypersonic munitions and the T-14 which is probably the best tank in production. china also has the J-20, an F-22 but done right, with far better maneuverability and stealth and the J-31 which is poised to be the most widely exported 5th gen once its released. even europe is doing better, with the QE carrier being far better built than the fords and the tempest project shaping up to be the worlds best fighter once released, and the FCAS which is likely going to replace and take over the F-15s market and the new leopards are the best tanks NATO has to offer right now.
Some of the finest crafted bait I've seen.
read more and type less, my american friend.
What's Russian for "implessive"?
I'm not sure they use adjectives that have positive connotations.
How long have the Chinese and Russian fanboys been saying “America will fall any minute” now? 60 years?
You have exposed yourself, as literally retarded, you just stated war and a nations economy are not connected. That is the dumbest shit you could ever say. Russia is a poor nation with nukes, barely better than north korea. America is the richest, most powerful, and technologically advanced nation in the world. The only thing rising in russia is aids.
>America is the richest, most powerful, and technologically advanced nation in the world
maybe 20 years ago. now america is a crippled nation that has fallen irrecoverably behind in tech and has an economy on a downward spiral since its last recession.
please try to back up anything you said with facts. Its just a bunch of planes, that dont exist, and tanks russia cant afford, against you know, actual fighter jets and tanks that exist. O and standards are up the lowest they have ever been is during the draft. You cant even join without a HS diploma anymore. Like god what fucking world do you live in. Where poor countries can compete with rich ones.
not him, but you only have to take one look at any military endeavor or any project the US military has commissioned in the last 20 years to see this.
america is a cooked turkey, the age of american dominance has ended.
>60 years?
Pretty much since the US decided to swing its dick on the world stage, so maybe the Spanish American War? Brits have probably been saying it since 1776 or so.
You cant just say that shit. You have to actually say what nation has surpassed us, and explain in what way? The PRC, has conducted no real wars, and has no capability to project power anywhere. Russia, is a poor nation, playing a with big boys because it still has nukes. India is fucking mess and has issues even taking on Pakistan. Who else is going to compete with the US? Brazil?
The US's Hegamon will end one day, but it is still very much intact. And guess what it doesn't matter how much the US fucks up if everyone else is is more fucked.
He's shitposting my dude, he doesn't have to explain shit.
>but it is still very much intact.
hahahah this level of delusion
Ya your right, fuck me for being baited.
Effective as in combat effective or cost effective?
Because it surely is a good force, but given the retarded ammount of money pumped into it, it should be better then it is.
>Who the fuck needs 11 aircraft carriers? lmao
>Needs
SHALL
That’s a lot of US Troops to guard Germany in case someone occupies it haha
with 10 more carriers planned
Where are your stealth bombers and when did you finally make stealth fighters
They’re so stealth that no one’s been able to find them.
> US Army is the greatest fighting force in the world
Nah nah nah, USAF all the way.
>t. Chairman
This. The Air Force has the highest kill count of any branch of the US military by far.
How old are you and do you know what happened after WW2 in Germany?
i know this is bait but the T-14 line made me kek out loud