Is .45 ACP as effective as 9mm?

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More effective, but you can carry more 9mm.

45 is also pretty good at being suppressed.

Yeah

147gr 9mm supresses even better. When will this meme end?

I never said 9mm was bad at being suppressed, just that 45 is good at it. You really don’t have to look hard for subsonic 45, but with 9mm it’s harder.

Depends on how many times you plan to pull the trigger. Once, no. But if you want to conceal a gun and have more than 5 shots 9mm is the better choice. It all comes down to if you want capacity and compactness.

I got shot in the hand with a 9mm once and it didn't hurt so I'd go with 45

>147gr 9mm suppresses better
What? You can +P .45ACP and it'll still be subsonic.
You can go from 230gr all the way down to 185gr. Give it +P and it'll STILL be subsonic.

It's not what you carry, it's how much you should be carrying.
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9mm is objectively better because it moves faster

.45 is the more effective round if we're comparing a single .45 vs. a single 9mm.

185gr +p is moving as fast as 9mm 115gr well above the speed of sound.

>1140 fps.

Heavier guns, longer barrels, bigger expansion, double stack isn't obnoxiously wide. Exactly what I wanted.

You'd be silly to claim that outright. There is too much variety. 185gr +p was picked by SOCOM specifically because it's right in the edge of being supersonic.

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All the 185gr +p loads i see for sale are moving faster than speed of sound at sea level.

Velocity is next to meaningless at handgun ranges. 45 punches wider and deeper in soft targets resulting in a higher probability of scoring
an incapacitating hit.

A 2mm increase in scoring a incapacitating hit.

I’d pick more rounds, lighter recoil and better penetration over that.

I dont want to be rude, but what's printed on the box and what the real world results are. Are pretty off. I reload, and that's a chart of various good powders to use. Behind 185grs of lead. They can still, and majority, actually turn out slower than the speed of sound. Even with "+P."
So, my original point that even 185gr +P and it'll still be subsonic, is correct.

And 185gr isnt as popular as 230gr. So therefore 45acp suppresses better.
Along with that, goto a local gunstore. 147gr for 9mm is actually one of the more rare of the 4ammos between 115-147 grain.

The same could be said for 9mm.

Typical 124gr loads from walmart are only pressing 1050-1090 at the muzzle. Still subsonic.

Well in, whatever this argument seems to be, that 147gr 9mm suppresses better. I dont think any of this anymore actually matters.
What size suppressor has someone bought? 9 or 45? Then there is an obvious choice to be made there.

I'm gonna throw my 2 cents in and say, smart people actually buy 45acp suppressors because the difference between the decibels of a 9mm shooting through a proper 9mm can or a 45acp can is negligible. Having a 45acp can also gives you more room to play with.

In my experience 9mm 147 and 124 supresses better than .45, less diamater, less report, both loads being subsonic of course.

Then you're ultimately right, the decibels are less on 9mms shooting through both 45acp and 9mm dedicated cans.
2-6 decibel difference on almost every silencer I can find. How much that matters is up to the pencilnecks.

What 9mm offers in higher capacity or form factor is where it beats 45acp now.

.45’s seem to do better at long range though, it looks like.

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Remember that increasing the diameter of a bullet increases it’s surface area exponentially

.45 bigger wound channel, more energy transfer. Depends on where you hit your target. Critical area 1-shot is all it takes. Feel lucky punk?

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Still a very small increase in terminal effectiveness.

>also .40 and .357 sig being smaller in diameter having the same wound tract as the larger .45

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10mm suppresses better then 9mm or 45

>better penetration
I'd rather do 18% more damage shot for shot than have 3 or 4 more rounds at the bottom of my mag.

I load 9s in my silenced 45 and they are perfect. There is a bit more barrel rattle/instability but i can bury the recoil like its a 22 and within 100m accuracy is not a factor.

Why did you have to post this on a Friday.

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Yes, better penetration. That “%18” is marginal at best.

Also, source?

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>18% more damage
Ballistics aren't a videogame stat sheet.

They difference between them is negligible. Choose whichever can be carried in larger capacity.

cant dispute the numbers with feelings guys

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By this logic 50 cal is the most effective handgun cartridge. It's only in absence of all other factors that 45 wins over 9mm

go make some warm milk it will be ok

This meme is gay. They have .45s with 15 rd capacity

>50 cal
Honestly a popular gun in 50 GI would be pretty cool, and be a functional defense tool.
A 9mm that size could probably fit 16-20

If only .50GI was more common and thus cheaper...

>A 9mm that size could probably fit 16-20
Yeah and a .22 could fit 35.

Could it do it do it as relaibly as a rimless design? Could it meet the fbi’s criteria?

I trained my immune system for bulletproofness too. Took 5 years to become immune to .22, almost 20 years for 9mm, and .45 is nowhere in sight. So .45 will be more effective, as you'd have to train from childhood well into middle ages to deflect them and few people are that dedicated, but you will run into 9mm immune people from time to time.

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In my opinion there are only two types of pistol bullets worth considering.
>small, high powder, bullets to fight armor
>examples include 5.7x28 or 22 tcm

>big low powder bullets to deal with unarmored targets
>examples include 44 mag, 45 acp, 50 GI etc

All other bullets are only considered for cost reasons.

Patrician

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Yes

.380 auto, 9mm, 40S&W, and .45 ACP essentially all have the same chance of killing someone.

Maybe if you shot someone, point blank, in the heart, in a controlled environment, with 9mm and then another person with .45, the .45 would win.

But in any shooting situation in which you are under real stress all that matters is getting shots on target as quick as possible.

So don't carry .25 auto or .22lr and you're fine.

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Terminal ballistics dumbass.

Holy fuck, it's Friday??

>this kills the argument

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