AR still the best home defense option

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SUMMERFIELD — Marion County sheriff’s officials say a homeowner armed with an AR-15 shot and killed two intruders and was injured himself during a home invasion robbery in Summerfield Wednesday night.

Two other robbery suspects — Robert John Hamilton, 19, of Ocala, and Seth Adam Rodriguez, 22, of Belleview — were detained near the scene, according to the Marion County Sheriff’s Office.

Nigel Doyle, 22, of Summerfield, and Keith Jackson Jr., 21, Ocala, were killed. The homeowner, whose name was not released by the Sheriff’s Office, was in stable condition at a hospital Thursday afternoon.

Rodriguez was arrested on charges of murder and home invasion robbery with a firearm. Hamilton faces home invasion robbery with a firearm. Both men were being held in the Marion County Jail without bond.

Deputies got the call at 8:21 p.m. Wednesday and went to the home at 14999 SE 32nd Court Road in response to a report of shots fired.

Sgt. Micah Moore found Doyle with a gunshot wound and a shotgun next to him on the ground. Deputies entered the home and found Jackson dead on the dining room floor. Detectives said he was wearing a “Jason” mask on top of his head, gloves on both hands, jeans and a black shirt.

Near Jackson’s head was a semi-automatic pistol, detectives said.

Continuing into the home, deputies found the 61-year-old homeowner in a bedroom.

He had an AR-15 rifle on his legs and was bleeding from a gunshot wound to the stomach, according to sheriff’s officials. Doyle and the homeowner were transported to Ocala Regional Medical Center, where Doyle died.

I agree that the dispersion is far less than the average idiot thinks it is, but it's still better than zero dispersion. It can make the difference between a hit and a miss, or a flesh wound vs. a wound to the vitals. Even a 3" spread is better than a 0" spread.

None of those things are problems--unless you're a real soldier in a real war, then by all means carry an AR.

If you were choosing a load for defensive purposes and you were concerend about overpenetration then isn't it a given you'll be using #4 buck, or even smaller?

Deputies continued to search the area.

Deputy Austin Coon and K-9 Deputy Alberto Gago, with his dog Nitro, found Rodriguez and Hamilton in the 15000 block of Southeast 36th Avenue, according to arrest reports. Rodriguez was hiding in tall grass on the side of the road.

He was wearing sweat pants and a purple shirt. Hamilton was wearing all black clothing.

Deputies said the men were sweating.

The mobile home where the shooting occurred is on a 20-acre lot with dense woods and a single-lane dirt driveway. The distance from a gate to home is roughly 300 yards.

Deputies found a Volkswagen parked near the south side of the home. The front doors were open.

Deputies recovered a pump-action shotgun on the ground next to the front porch. They reported smelling a strong odor of marijuana at the home.

The homeowner told Detective Travis O’Cull that, about an hour before the shooting, a male who he barely remembers from a past Craigslist transaction, knocked on the front door, according to sheriff’s officials.

The homeowner said he did not open the door but saw the male peering through a back sliding-glass door. He said he asked the male what he was doing and was told he needed help with his vehicle.

The homeowner said he told the individual he was disabled and couldn’t help him. That person then left and homeowner went to sleep.

what a disgusting racist

>four people with guns break into the man's home, wearing masks
>get killed
>homeowner got shot but survived
>"people" will somehow try and stretch that the people killed dindu nuffin and that the homeowner shouldn't have had the ar15 in the first place

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I'd rather save my life than worry about overpenetration. its likely youll only ever use it once in your life for home defense, unless you live in a city

The homeowner told the detective he was awakened by a loud noise and grabbed his AR-15, which was near his bed. He saw a masked person inside the home, he said, and he and the intruders exchanged gunfire. He said he shot at the man in the mask and at a second person coming toward him.

The homeowner said it was Jackson who shot him.

Detectives Ian Simpson and John Lightle interviewed Rodriguez and Hamilton.

According to arrest reports, Rodriguez said he, Hamilton, Doyle and Jackson were Doyle’s at home earlier in the day and that Doyle and Jackson planned to rob the Summerfield home for marijuana and guns.

They left Doyle’s home in Jackson’s car and went to there, the report states. Rodriguez said Hamilton kicked in the front door and Doyle and Jackson rushed inside. Rodriguez said he heard gunshots from the homeowner.

Rodriguez said Doyle had given him a BB gun at the doorway. He said he ran away and got rid of the weapon.

Hamilton told the detectives he got out of the car before the robbery and walked down the street. He denied being at the scene. After the interviews, both men were arrested.

Detectives secured the crime scene on Wednesday night, and returned to the home on Thursday morning to execute a search warrant on the property. They concluded their search in the afternoon and collected firearms, shell casings and other evidence.

Local court records show two of the four suspects have criminal records. Hamilton was found guilty in 2018 and served time for grand theft.

Doyle was adjudicated guilty in 2017 for DUI and possession of ammunition by a delinquent in 2017.

As for the homeowner, detectives said there are no charges against him and nothing prevents him from owning guns.

Neighbors interviewed by the Star-Banner said he usually keeps to himself and normally says “Hi” when they see him leaving his property.

Even if overpenetration with AR's happened please show me all the stories in all of the "AR used for home defense" stories where bullets left the house and went into the neighbors house and hurt or killed them or exited the home and hit a bystander.

Doesn't happen.

This.

You don't load your shotgun with slugs for home defense, don't load your ar with a round with more penetrating capabilities. Use soft points or hollow points ass.

Scratch those subhumans from humanity's list of problems.

>Shorter distances.

Are you stupid? Projectile velocity is highest at the muzzle and slows down at longer distances/the further it goes. The closer you are, the faster the projectile, the higher fragmentation and expansion effectiveness.

Digits confirm nigs nogged and got .223 reparations.

>ARs suffer overpenetration from shorter distances
>55 gr vanilla bullet
>a very light projectile at high speeds hitting tissue will just icepick!

nigga what?

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>"people" will somehow try and stretch that the people killed dindu nuffin and that the homeowner shouldn't have had the ar15 in the first place
this is their end goal. remember that the next time you interact with one

>2 people killed
none of those look like human beings user

The BAR is the superior weapon for home defense

>automatic .30-06
>bipod for entrenched positions
>shoulder thing that goes up for recoil mitigation

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there are literally antis who look at situations like this and say "if he hadn't had a gun only one person would've been killed!"

They are real problems, criminals have ar15’s just as we do.

>he was wearing a “Jason” mask on top of his head
tfw you will never kill Jason with your AR15

based florida man

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another diverse group of individuals. this is the future of America

the sad thing is that those people rarely encounter home invasions or violent muggings.

Who the fuck is saying that retard? Getting mad over a scenario you made up in your head jfc

The bottom right dude sorta looks like James Franco kek

>this is not true because higher velocity projectiles tend to fragment after a few sheets of drywall
>source: ????

The future is now. This is the America we live in.

Literally what I was thinking

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Fucking clown world. The ride never ends.

Y'all need to get your eyes checked. Dude looks NOTHING like Franco.

Yeah you can say they arent problems but when 10 nigs are busting down the door you have shit in ur pants and piss down ur leg that 8 rnd shotgun is better off used to put a canoe through your own head before you shortstroke it after the first shot

why arent they pictured in a cap and gown?

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Yes he does wtf
Just squish Franco’s head a little and make him look a little meaner

His eyes do dude

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He doesn’t look the same just because they’re the same ethnicity, retards. His head shape is completely different.

Oooo just give it few days.

>the shotty is simply better all around
What kind of terrible low quality b8 is this?

>shoulder thing that goes up
Underrated post.

>Who the fuck is saying that retard?
Liberal faggots are, retard.

>The ease of use of the AR makes your shitty shotgun obsolete

Don't be hyperbolic. Shotguns are useful for door breaches and hunting still. But yeah, semi-auto rifles or PCCs are the kings of home defense right now.

Benelli m4 here. Short stroke not a problem.

There’s nothing in this article that BTFO’s shotguns.

Nice clickbait, shithead.

They're both too loud for indoors. I don't wanna have to fumble for ear pro in addition to getting my guns out. I like the pistol caliber carbines.

>The ease of use of the AR makes your shitty shotgun obsolete

Imagine being such a drooling retard that you find a shotgun hard to use.

>suffer over-penetration
That's what she said.

thanks for picking up the slack and cleaning up OPs mess. OP was such a faggot.

Sorry to break this to you, but your male power fantasy is never coming true.

Guy on the bottom right looks like that actor who's the Hispanic guy in every movie. Micheal Peña, I think.

what the fuck does this even mean?
why is it even bad?
that just sounds like bullshit to me
the number 1 problem with gun people is that there are a fuck ton of 90 IQ retards in it.

Based and Mexican pilled

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>I don't wanna have to fumble for ear pro

There are four guys in your house, one of them is wearing a Jason mask, they are armed, they're not there to preach the gospel of the lord, and your worried about your hearing? Are you for real?

Get a shotgun if your other purpose for owning it is hunting. Get an ar or something silly if your other purpose for owning it is military larping or preparation for a ww3 that may or may not ever come. Use low penetration ammo indoors unless you want to kill your family in the process. Never one answer.

>Hamilton told the detectives he got out of the car before the robbery and walked down the street. He denied being at the scene

"aw shiiiet mayne i wuz just goin for an evenin walk ya feel? naw man i tol dem i dint wanna rob nobody i wuz a gud boy and axed to be let out so i cud go on a walk and observe nature"

> Rodriguez said Hamilton kicked in the front door and Doyle and Jackson rushed inside.

"awwww shieeet, but he only gave me a bb gun i swear i wuznt gon hurt nobody! ya gotta belieb me!"

AR stays in the safe
12ga stays by the nightstand

12ga Marine Magnum, iron ghost rings, cruiser ready... my choice for home defense

after shooting one of the perps, do you want to be able to hear there is another one hiding behind the wall on the right or do you want to be deaf ?

>Get an ar or something silly if your other purpose for owning it is military larping or preparation for a ww3 that may or may not ever come.
What if it's job requirement as part of your duty gear?

They just randomly picked this house out in the woods? They said they wanted to steal weed and guns. So was this old dude selling weed or something. I feel like there is more to this story.

I’m sure if the bad guys brought guns they were just as concerned about the hearing of all parties involved.

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The story said the old man recognized one of them from a craigslist ad he had a while back. My guess is they staked the place out under the guise of buying something then.

Then you’re a big kid and you probably own a 12 gauge and an ar, but no really it’s sort of already decided for you. Point was that it didn’t really matter which one you use, just matters why you else you have it.

AR's are adequate, but shotguns fuck stuff up at close range like nothing else.
There's a reason the military still keeps them in inventory for breaching

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>you probably own a 12 gauge and an ar
>has AK in 12 on right side of toilet
>has AR in 308 on other side of toilet
Get out of meeee head.

After shooting one of the perps the others are going to run, if they don’t run then they brought their own guns and in that case you won’t have your ears protected anyways.

Shotgun Breaching doesn’t mean what you think it means
My shotgun used a special round with a slug made of compressed metallic powder so we could shoot the hinges off doors or the strikes off locks without penetrating (too much) through the wall or dealing with spall.
The shotguns were and entry tool, not a weapon.

Respect2U
Goodnight user

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I'm in the upside down just woke up

Well duh - they’ve been banned for combat use under The Hague Conventioin since just after WWI. It’s amazing that American troops use them as much as they do under those circumstances.

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You think Americans give a flying fuck about the gingerbread convention?

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Shotgun is the worst home defense

Good luck with the murder charges against your own family members, since close range buckshot blows through walls.

>all those shotshells on the stock
Some people, when they try to suicide and fail, take it as a sign from god/fate/whatever that they should live, and give up.
Others planned ahead and have a full reload handy for just such an occasion.

>Real soldier in real war
Boomer get the fuck out now. You are worse for gun owners than liberals who outright want to ban them. If I had to choice I'd put down every single person like you before I laid a hand on a poor bleeding heart liberals head.

I bet you think pump shotguns are amazing too, what fucking boomer lmao. Remember this post when you short stroke after one miss and get killed fag

Inb4 riots because "They wuz good boys, dat homeowner wuz racus!"

Show me one single instance of an AR used in home defense where the round overpenetrated and hit a family member

Not that guy but
>Remember this post when you short stroke after one miss and get killed fag
Why do you fags worry about this? Do you even own a pump action shotgun? I can confidently say I've never done this, except when doing it on purpose to see what all the fuss was about. There are plenty of reasons not to use a pump shotgun, your own incompetence isn't really one of them, because you'll manage to fuck up using an AR too.

>a male who he barely remembers from a past Craigslist transaction
and that's why i'm reluctant to sell things

sell enough weed and it just might

i see that much more than franco

>Remember this post when you short stroke after one miss and get killed fag
I don't short stroke because I practice with my hone defense firearm instead of hoping that hardware will save me from not knowing what I'm doing.

No they don't.

>what a disgusting racist
This. I have to agree; what kind of filthy racist country has this become where gangs of well-meaning, slightly innocent dindus can't pull a home invasion and rob, rape and murder the vicious white swine that might have had ancestors that could have possibly made their great-great-great granddaddies pick cotton? Hell, they only shot the old white fart once, it's totally racist if a white man shoots back unless he's shot at least 4-5 times in his own home. Black Lives Matter should stage massive protests and riot to make sure everyone fully understands that black gangs have the absolute right to do anything they want, and it's racist to say that they can't.

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There aren’t any because nobody uses ARs for home defense (except drug dealers with 20 acres of weed). Seriously show me your loaded AR next to your bed, I bet it’s a goodwill mattress on the floor.

Muh reperashiunshz.

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Id like to thank the homeowner on behalf of the taxpayers who won’t be keeping two useless fucks comfortable for 10-15 years.

> no slugs for home defense
Why the hell not? I don’t hunt deer with birdshot. Why wouldn’t i use slugs on bipedal animals?

>the last time this happened the grandfather of the wigger killed said the homeowner had an "unfair advantage"

> failed shotgun suicide
> only blow off half your head
The virgin misses and bleeds out slowly.
The chad reloads and finishes the job.

This.
If you can’t operate a pump shotgun, you would probably screw up putting your AR together.
I’ve shot up to four clays in rapid succession and I’ve never short stroked any of my shotguns.

I did have a semi jam on me but it was a Hatfield so that doesn’t count. I would barely trust that thing to hold up a lamp let alone use it for home defense.