Whats the real most elite unit in the military

It is my estimation from publicly accessible information that DEVGRU, CAG, and SAD have around 1,000 members each. I believe thats too large to be the "elite of the elite". It is my guess that there is a unit that recruits from the top 1% of those groups. A unit that has 50-100 members max whose missions require 1 person at a time. Think Splinter Cell type missions. In this thread we'll discuss what that possible unit is and what they do.

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You're a little mixed up here. You are correct that most estimates put Delta Force at around 1000 people, but only like 1/3 of those are actual "Operators." The remaining 2/3 are expert support personnel and advisers. And when I say "Expert" I mean "the absolute most qualified people in the entire U.S. military on their particular subject matter." So you might have one guy who is autistically obsessed with explosives and he's the explosives expert. Or you might have a K9 handler who is recognized as being THE top K9 handler. Each of them is the best at whatever they do. Weapons experts, language experts, vehicle experts, computer experts, forensics experts, medical experts, communications experts, survival experts, martial arts experts.

All those experts are tasked with devising training scenarios to ensure that the actual operators are getting the most realistic, comprehensive, thorough training that is humanly possibly.

I think if there's a "best of the best" unit, they're in Red Cell. Red Cell was created by the same guy who created DEVGRU. Their purpose is to test US defenses by staging roleplaying attacks on bases, submarines, ships, airports, etc and finding out their vulnerabilities.

God damnit you mother fuckers are retarded. Each unit does different shit. There is no magic sauce unit filled with hyper ubermensch that shit steel and are fed on nothing but a diet of shoe leather, you tards.

>Whats the real most elite unit in the military
Infantry

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Navy seals because they make them lay down in cold water and train to blow up ships at port (which to my knowledge hasn’t been done once since ww2) and landing obstacles that don’t exist anymore

>It is my estimation from publicly accessible information that DEVGRU, CAG, and SAD have around 1,000 members each.

What source?

Terrestrial or Non-Terrestrial units?

Current Timeline or a parallel Timeline?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Nifty_Package

As far as I know, this is the only time SEALs have ever done underwater demolition.

>Nifty Package
That's pretty good... but they probably did a shitload more of it in Vietnam that's not really recognized as often.

If you have links I'd love to read it.

You first have to understand what each unit is.

SEALs have DA teams and Recon teams, infiltration teams and sabotage teams, etc. DEVGRU is just a very, very dedicated DA team.

CAG/Delta is a DA team that selects primarily from 75th because the 75th is also primarily DA, but they go through SFAS because they want them to.

SAD is basically for guys that want to leave the military, get paid more, and generally are more politically connected. Or, officers about to be promoted out of combat roles that are valuable in said roles.

SAD/SOG is, in theory, the most "elite" because they select almost entirely from JSOC guys, but there's also been artillerymen that guy picked, it's not cut and dry. Also, SAD guys do a LOT more paperwork than JSOC guys do.

Probably the activity. Same selection as delta but you have to be very smart.

Also worth noting that at the end of the day, most operators are just very skilled triggermen. Of course there's medics, there's marksmen, EOD guys, etc. But they run, generally, very practiced scenarios, in as controlled as possible circumstances. The real "elite" of the elite are the support teams. ISA, for instance. Or the CIA Political Action guys, the ones that infiltrate, that get the intel, that are working undercover or solving the puzzles to get the bad guys.

>SAD/SOG is, in theory, the most "elite" because they select almost entirely from JSOC guys, but there's also been artillerymen that guy picked, it's not cut and dry. Also, SAD guys do a LOT more paperwork than JSOC guys do.
And combat drivers.

You get your information from video games.

doesnt exist. operators are a meme.

>Delta requires people to go thru SFAS

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Red cell probably pulls from CAG and SAD though. The real solid snakes of the group i guess

>CAG/Delta is a DA team that selects primarily from 75th because the 75th is also primarily DA, but they go through SFAS because they want them to
>but they go through SFAS because they want them to
last part is a lie. they have their own selection and corresponding operator course.

CIA mosSAD in Australia AMA

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Orange, right? It’s been a while since I used the color designations.

The most elite unit?
Do you REALLY want to know?

These dudes. Postal Inspectors. They'll rip your nuts off and ventilate you so quickly it's not even funny.
I'm completely serious. If you were to put all of the operating operators against one another in a big competition, these motherfuckers would come out on top.

Don't mess with mail.

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Depends on your definition of "elite".

In actuality, if there are 500 Delta oper8rs in the US Army and 29 Logistic Computer Maintenance Technicians, they're more elite.
>e.g. I was support-staff for a Tier1 unit, when I posted out, there were only 18 other guys in the army with my rank and quals who could fill the slot, some of whom were med downgraded, some who had already been there and didn't want to repost, etc etc - so they were waiting a year to get a replacement. In that year they could select and train any number of 'elite' doorkickers, but not find one pog.

Those are really delicate and manicured looking fingers for a rough and tumble guy you desk jockey.

You really, really, really don't want to fuck with postal inspectors.

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What you are describing is more likely cia stuff.

I'm actually considering going on with them, currently I'm postal maintenance. My only hangup is that I'd likely have to go live in Chicago or new York for a few years.
>I know the guy on the right

>I know the guy on the right
Is he as handsome in the front as he is in the back?

No homo, but yes.

Literally use google

I don't see it. That's why I asked for a source.

The military unit that recruits from the best of the best ist Delta.

Other government services are probably better in certain regards, bur not in that kinda play.

Faggot Force 1.

Two members, you and your dad.

Its a rough estimation based on class selection sizes (100-150 students twice a year) and similar unit sizes (400-600 SAS members, 100-200 members per SEAL team, 500 members per Ranger battalion, etc). You can combine that with info from books like "Inside Delta Force" and shows where ex Delta force members are interviewed like "Delta Force: Tier 1". Of course this is all just guesswork but it adds up to being 500-1000 members in each of these elite units.

Show me your math.

Delta Force has 3 combat squadrons titled A, B, and C. You do the math. If you don't know how many people a squadron makes up, figure it out.

>inb4 spoon feed me more

Literally use google

I meant to reply to

>If you don't know how many people a squadron makes up

That depends on the unit. It's not a set number. And we don't know that number. Please tell me how you're getting your number.

Peter Blaber mentions the approximate ~1000 people including support personnel in his book (only about 1/4 were shooters). That book is about his experiences from the Balkan wars up until Operation Anaconda right at the start of the GWOT, so Id argue that CAG has certainly grown significantly since then; but that's just an assumption based on every other SOF unit in the last 20 years and we cant know.

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>Peter Blaber mentions the approximate ~1000 people including support personnel in his book (only about 1/4 were shooters).

This sounds accurate to me based on the selection and graduation rates.

>so Id argue that CAG has certainly grown significantly since then

I'd believe it if you can show me that selection classes and graduation rates have increased.

>but that's just an assumption based on every other SOF unit in the last 20 years

We know standards have been relaxed for groups like SEALs and SF, and numbers for those groups have grown, but not by much.

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CAG “The Unit”
DEVGRU
FSB Alfa maybe even VDV Alfa
SAD
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Who is this man you speak of

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When it comes down to it, the question is meaningless unless you define "elite". What makes something more elite? Funding, equipment, skills, task, personnel numbers, degree of responsibility; they could all give you wildly different answers.

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I want to say Delta but they did fuck all in Balkans and only dabbed on shoeless goat fuckers. Still probably the best.

If only you knew we have a mani/pedi allowance in SAD

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>1000 men
And how many of it are in-house logistics support so the unit doesn't have to rely on other units for logistics support?
How much of it is administrative staff? How much of it is senior command who never steps onto the field unless absolutely necessary? How much of that 1000 men are the actual operators and not the POGs supporting said operators?

I feel like this has already been touched upon multiple times. Do people not read whole threads before they post?

Probably no more than 250 are operators. You have to realize that they have on-site doctors, dentists, cooks, librarians, armorers, intelligence dudes, chute riggers and other kind of techs.

Iirc Delta tryouts are twice a year, and they get less than a dozen people per tryouts, meaning that's about 15 new operators a year, if not less since the OTC attrition is not really known. You can't mass-produce Tier 1 dudes.

How does one become a mailman operator?

Red Teams are a concept not a unit, one of Delta's Red Team mission in the 90s was to assault the White House. They did so by doing a low level HALO Jump and landing on the White House lawn without getting picked up the early warning system.

Apply online. You need a degree in SOMETHING.
Then, off to eight weeks of training or whatnot. After that you're assigned to an area.
You get the power to open mail if you have probable cause, arrest people, it's great stuff

Mail fraud has a 100% conviction rate pretty much

What is the series designation? It is an 1800, I assume, but do you know specifically?

Anyone interested in a FedGov job needs to start at USAjobs.gov.

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If you’re referring to something like Tom Clancy’s Ghosts or Rainbow team, we’d never know.

There might be like one single picture of them, ever, with blurry ass faces doing something non-assuming.
Furthermore its highly unlikely they’d exist, because doing shit like “Send in 8 people to destabilize a government” doesn’t work.

I’d assume destabilizing a government wouldn’t be what such a unit is for, that’s why the green berets exist. If such a unit is real I’d bet it’s for single person stealth missions to infiltrate enemy bases. Quick get in, get out kind of stuff.

Again shit like that, aka Sam Fisher/MGS/Mission Impossible stuff wouldn’t work.

Getting into the base itself would be a giant bitch, and training a small team to do so would be a huge waste of money because as soon as someone see’s shell casings or hears a silenced weapon go off, base is going to go on lockdown and all those people are dead

>Australia
Ah. hence why the picture is upside down

Based

Why is that one canadian unit so good?

I used to work at Rohr and lived in Ocean Beach. I got off at midnight and would drink beer and fish for rays, skates and dogfish after work.
About dawn I would head home and drive by Coronado Island. In the dim light I would sometimes see a bunch of miserable bastards wearing helmets, a white t-shirt and black pants running along the shoreline with a telephone pole on their shoulders.
It would chilly in the pre dawn hours when the sea breeze nipped at your face.
Those were some tough niggas.

Dem bassetball shoes.
You know they sell those patches on Flea-bay, right?

>Splinter Cell type missions.

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Then why don't they act like it?

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i laughed

And you're a child.

Wouldnt he have called them officers since all of them are officers? Agents are the foriegners they recruit for HUMINT purposes and all that.

>”stop liking what I don’t like!”

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>whats the real most elite unit in the military
Coast Guard MSRT

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That dude is going to be drowning in pussy for the rest of his life.

>That little sniper

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I don't believe it's best training possible, because the day has 24 hours and even if they sleep only 4 they still need to eat, take shits, and wipe their asses. Doesn't seem realistic some delta force dude could become some ultra high level martial artist even if he's being trained by Chuck Norris. Delta Force ain't doing 2 hours of wax on wax off a day and prolly a 17 year old blue belt would fuck them while rolling. They have so much on their plate with exercises and whatnot inbetween a semi-normal life it's just unlikely to me. If they were that great it would take of something else.

Anyhow I imagine their strength is being high quality jack of all trades who are really good at team work. If they do martial arts they most def do it on their own time and work related stuff is more or less get some distance and use your gun. Not saying great violent intent combined with athleticism doesn't go a long way but they're still humans.

It's not uncommon for Rangers and other dedicted dues to take time off and roll or spar for 2-3 hours a day every day when between exercises in the field.

They probably aren't black belts in technique, but having lots of practice while tired, raw strength and endurance, determination, and killer instinct goes farther in 95% of situations.

Sure, maybe. Only saw the clips of the marine martial arts program and all they did was wrestle fuck and rear naked choke eachother. At least in terms of jiu jitsu power isn't everything, that's the point. You see, the whole thing with going to the ground is disabling raw strength because it's harder to utilize it without shifting your weight around on your feet. Also the whole idea of going balls to the wall all the time is shit for technique because you're compensating mistakes with strength which makes you sloppy.

I mean if you got some dude who might be the perfect athlete but does know nothing about martial arts what benefit is it to have the best trainer in the world still teaching you fundamentals. Like what's the proper stance for what, how to pivot your feet and hips correctly, how to not chicken wing your punches, keeping your hands up, etc. It not just about knowing that shit but internalizing it through repitition creating those pathways in your brain. You'll never be a specialist in everything, it just doesn't seem possible. I guess they settle with being proficient enough and the rest is just violence.

Official programs mean nothing. They're something platoons and companies send ppl to for rubber stamps to keep battalion off their back with risk assessments.

Soldiers roll because it causes fewer injuries than striking, so they can get more practice; and because it's simple for combat. The average 240 pound lifting, rucking, crossfitting infantry with 50 pounds of combat gear doesn't need to learn the niceties of boxing. Knock down a 150lb insurgent, stay on top of him, and gouge his eyes out or put him in a choke.

Power isn't everything, but it gives more efficient returns than technique. Once a man knows the basics, it's more important to practice them and be strong.

Kek you're very delusional if you think a blue belt could beat up a cag operator. They don't train BJJ daily but they do quite a bit and literally fly in the likes of Royce Gracie to do it. They are absolutely jack of all trades types but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be able to kill you very quickly in a number of ways. They could probably hold their own against the average pro mma fighter. The thing about competitive fighting is there are rules. There are ZERO rules in a street fight and these dudes will literally bite out your jugular given the chance.

>If they do martial arts they most def do it on their own time
Most special forces units have martial arts training integrated into their regular PT workouts. It's just a routine exercise for them, like doing push-ups or running laps. Also, being a delta operator is a full time job if there ever was one. They don't have "their own time."

Its one thing to dominate some skinny who never touched weights and doesn't know shit from shinola but the thing is if you got someone who's near your strength or not as strong but fit it's different. Like fighting an actual military.

Rolling dude, rolling. I'm not saying in like a life or death situation but on the mat. I don't give a shit who you are but if you have no experience with that stuff it's possible for a fully grown man in his prime being tapped out by a 14 year old. He'll ride you like a horse and choke you out. It's just bullshit that machismo and that WUUAAAR DON'T GET ME MAD BRA!! YOU WOULDN'T LIKE ME IF I'M MAD attitude just trumps everything. It's absolutely wrong that you being badass in one domain makes you automatically badass in another.

Most of the people who CAG fights probably have no formal martial arts education whatsoever, and if they do aren't going to be practicing those skills in a structured way on the regular basis the way that a proper SOF unit would.

That's what I'm saying. They're highly specialized team players doing specialized stuff even if they're speciality is utilizing a wide varity of skills in a way that gives them an advantage. I suppose they're fast learners who can put together their advantages in awesome displays of creative violence but they aren't perfect. Just take what happened to the SEALs when they tried to do the ranger trying to take an airport using tactics they didn't specialize in. Clusterfuck. Doesn't mean the rangers are better or worse than SEALs or vice versa but they have different jobs. Dude, who knows I sceptical if I could trust a Delta operator to install fucking arch on my computer. Doesn't mean those guys aren't competent, I just don't think it's their element.

Sorry for the typos btw.

That said, I assume part of their competence is knowing their limitations and other units prolly fuck up because they don't how to leverage their skills. Like when a group of ultra dominant tough guys starts getting high on their own farts trouble seems to be brewing. Some dude tells you it's a bad idea to scale that mountain wearing chuck taylors? What does he know, we can do anything hua! best of the best! Boom, sudden clusterfuck. I imagine a competent enemy might even bait your own arrogance into doing something stupid or underestimating them rather. But what do I know.

Beyond that I'd like to think Deltas above anything else are comparitively smart. It stands to debate if it's smart to wrestlefuck little arabs and dedicate valueable time into learning how to wrestlefuck more effectively. My uneducated guess is they do limited drills for specific situations and concentrate on skills that help avoiding any unnecessary wrestlefucking beyond recreational activities. Why wrestlefuck someone who just might know it better? Judo is pretty popular in Iran I've heard, for example. Sure, you might gouge their eyes out and win but what kind of cost benefit ratio are we talking about? The best outcome is you going out of that confrontation without injuries but what are the chances you might get your shit pushed in yourself? 50/50? 70/30? What's acceptable in that regard?

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