Guerrilla Warfare

Find where the money is. The moment that happens, a force of mercs, dealers, porters, and anything that is logistically dependent will fall apart with volunteers with nothing to fight with.

With silver hair on his back

The shit is that picture?

What

Homo shit

Genocide or removing the political cause behind the insurgency.

Knock down 3 buildings then blame it on said groupe then proceed to Carpert bomb the entire country

Unironically killing 95% of a population and threatening the remaining 5% with total extermination if they even fucking think about it.

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nuclear holocaust

So you all agree that you can't stop a large scale insurgency then. Why do you keep fighting when you are shoveling a beach out by hand? Just for its own sake I guess but it doesnt really fly, does it?

Just because you can't entirely remove an insurgency doesn't mean you can't severely weaken it and prevent it from undertaking offensives. In the cases of FARC, the Taliban, and to a lesser extent, the Vietcong, while the ideal situation would be a complete destruction of the insurgency, the reason for continuing to fight is to avoid allowing them to expand their operations.

Condescendingly treat them like criminals, not an army. Have public trials and executions. Make it clear to the public that they dont represent a legitimate threat, they are just pumped up gang members.

NATO will always lose to insurgencies because they are bound by laws that literally prevent them from doing what is required to stomp it out

setting up stable institutions with a strong economy in their country while also extending amnesty to dissuade further activity
with popular support moving from rebels to the government and the money moving to legitimate sources the conflicts will die down naturally

As a counterpoint, Russia had no such concerns about civilian casualties in Afghanistan, and performed even worse. Unless you can feasibly genocide the entire population, fighting with more brutality won't necessarily suppress the insurgency, and can often make it seem more sympathetic to the population as a whole, gaining them more members and support.

>fighting with more brutality won't necessarily suppress the insurgency

But it does help slightly. Studies of Bosnia etc indicated that effectiveness vs brutality is a U shaped curve.

Yeah, there's a certain balance to be had between causing enough damage that otherwise uninterested civilians join the insurgency for survival and being so careful that the insurgents are able to successfully use civilians as human shields.

Guerrilla warfare is the oldest form of defensive warfare. Genocide is the oldest form of offensive warfare. One of these forms of warfare is used to fight off western/white countries, the other, white countries have stopped using. Make of that what you will.

Competent politics
Providing locals with infrastructure or stuff so they don't see ant reason to chimp out
Eliminating the reason why they're shooting you

>Why do you keep fighting when you are shoveling a beach out by hand
Because people like to pretend that human nature doesn't exist, and if you build a few bridges and hospitals a bunch of literally retarded opium farmers will suddenly understand all the purpose and benefits of functioning modern society.

Situation is also complicated by the fact that for some reason it is deemed more ethically correct to let the masses suffer in their own stupidity than it is to force your ways and cultures on a population, despite the fact that they are objectively every single meaningful way.

The biggest issue between first world powers and third world shitholes is a serious inferiority complex defended by rusty AK-47s.

ask them to stop what they're doing.

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Genocide

get the population to turn against the guerrillas

>Competent politics
Great joke
>Providing locals with infrastructure or stuff so they can
Tried and failed in Afghanistan for two decades
>Eliminating the reason why they're shooting you
The reason being a bunch of first world soldiers building bridges for them.

Just because you suck at politics doesn't discard this option.
>fuck with tribal influences
>central gov not recognized outside of select areas
US and Astan gov failed to provide stability

Because modern imperialism requires it. The problem is it doesn't work anymore because the colonialist aspect is removed. Without new colonists to displace and destroy the local population, you'll never win.

boys will be boys

Historically the only way to put down a guerilla insurgency in a timely fashion is with an overwhelming manpower and firepower advantage.

I think brutalizing the entire population to flush them out is probably counter productive in most cases. Simply limiting their ability to power project and accepting the losses from random skirmishes is also not ideal.

I think that the only real way to put down an insurgency is to go door to door, hut to hut, tree to tree, bush to bush, with a 50 to 1 manpower advantage and just eradicate them the hard, time consuming way.

And that's the problem with modern warfare. Modern warfare is all about doing more with less. The war in Afghanistan and Iraq would have been mopped up in a year if we deployed overwhelming manpower and made it a REAL war. But nobody wants to do that anymore.

The best way to resolve a "low intensity conflict" is to pretend it's a "high intensity conflict" and deploy a simply overhwleming amount of manpower that can saturate the enemy environment.

Take the Second Boer War. Britain wasn't fucking around. The Boers had a maximum strength of around 60,000 troops. The British committed around 550,000. The British put down the Boers in 2 years 7 months.

Absolutely overwhelming manpower is required to put down a guerilla insurgency campaign.

>the only way to win is to spend billions more and mobilize so much men that it would be an international disgrace that will lead to immense backlash from other countries

this would wreck your economy and intentional standing

Geez since you're so good why don't you just become president so you can zip bam boom your policy and bingo we're done just like that?

Fucking retard.

> how beat guerrilla
there are no military solutions. You must win through politics and honestly unfucking their lives.

happy people under a decent government don't revolt

Combined military and civilian operations. Fight guerilla and provide civilians with social and other kinds of aid. Hearts n minds.

What war was this?

the jews really just have the entire population born in the middle class from the 40's until the 90's in their pockets dont they?
like people born before 00 really have zero defense against the social conditioning the jews subject them to do they?

sad.

For liberating:
>large Army size forces moving in destroying all major opposition and establishing new government if required
>swarming and occupying all major civilian population centers and major road systems, working your way into the interior and sticks
>remove populations that resist and refuse to submit to your will
>slowly replace military forces with “EFFECTIVE” host nation military and law enforcement forces
>retain command and control of government institutions and forces until both situation and host nation government are stable
>should only take a few months to a good part of a year to conduct. You will know if you are being successful if insurgent tactics like IEDs are uncommon to flat out rare
For Conquering:
>Rip and Tear. Until it is done.

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things will have to get a lot worse before they get any better.

That's more gay than this

Yeah, Soviet, Yugoslavian and Jewish guerillas units of WW2 were in it for the money.

take that back fascist

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>Because people like to pretend that human nature doesn't exist, and if you build a few bridges and hospitals a bunch of literally retarded opium farmers will suddenly understand all the purpose and benefits of functioning modern society.
But Afghanistan used to be quite civilized for a poor shithole. Because people like to pretend that conditions don't exist, and if someone bombs every bridge and hospital around for half a century the local clerks and doctors and teachers will carry on living peaceful middle-class lives as if their world did not collapse all around them, and their children followed suit. Instead of, you know, everyone with half a brain refuge-ing the fuck outta there and the locals degrading from nice things to things that can keep them alive.

>Tried and failed in Afghanistan for two decades
Bombing everything that dares to stand above ground and straight up murdering every dude who is not a sockpuppet to such an extent that you can smell US-market nail polish on his breath is not "providing locals with infrastructure". Getting involved with poppy farming is the most reliable way for poor people to survive in Afghanistan, and has been for decades now. There is no and hasn't been a functional alternative that doesn't involve shooting people or taking them hgostage all the way since the Saur Revolution.

3 things

1: visibly improve the quality of life of those living under the resisted regime, people are less likely to resist the status quo if they risk losing comfort and security

2: Utterly obliterate the guerilla's infrastructure, flood their ranks with spies, offer immunity, and benefits for defectors and their families, quietly exterminate leaders of the resistance (public executions just rile people up, make them disappear, confusion in the guerilla's ranks is more useful than focused anger)

3: tight control of your borders and shipping industries, nobody gets in or out until the guerillas are vanquished, extreme punishments for people caught aiding guerillas or helping arms/supply shipments both foreign and internal, have government officers in every trucking and shipping company in the nation

if you're a really fuckin rad dictator you'll give false info to guerillas and get them to accidentally kill loads of civilians in order to turn the populace against them faster, if the public sees them as incompetent, bloodthirsty, or indiscriminate then you might mitigate their threat faster. But it's high risk if someone leaks your plan, or your citizenry gets wise.

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Weren’t the Indian wars technically an insurgency? Also, the US actually beat the Moro Insurgency

> visibly improve the quality of life of those living under the resisted regime
Ah, so that's how we got the Indians onto the Reservations...By showing the rest of the the group how rad it is to live on the Reservation. Definitely had nothing to do with the Indians having a strong will to fight, therefore requiring them to submit to our will via violence and making there lives as miserable as possible pure Clausewitz style to achieve on of two outcomes, with one being them finally submitting due to there lives being so shit cause we keep genociding them, and the other being to get rid of the problem all together because they're all dead...No, that's definitely not it, the right way is to give them ice cream and to have them go out and tell their friends how good the ice cream is so that they'll want some ice cream too. That's how you do it.

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Spread your cheeks

if the alternative is brutal violent reprisal, lots of people are gonna chose ice cream (more like decent food, possibly jobs, and loads of drugs/alcohol to breed complacency)

those strong willed indians didn't stay that way for long once they got on the res.

>those strong willed indians didn't stay that way for long once they got on the res
Yeah, because most of them got killed, and for the ones that did, well. They had to be put on the Reservation first to begin with, you don't do that by offering Ice cream. That's the thing about Humans, they're smart enough to see the cheese for what it really is, a mouse trap.

Have the support of the populace. Specifically the working class.
In the Malaysian Communist guerrilla war, the majority of the Malaysian's lives were made better by the British Government, and a majority of the communist forces were ethnic Chinese, not ethnic Malaysians.

Contrast this to the IRA which had the support of up to 95% of the (southern) populace and killed very few people but still had a very successful guerrilla war which had political ramifications in spades.
A paraphrase from War of the Flea; The goal of conventional warfare is to end the war as quickly as possible with as much firepower as possible. The goal of guerrilla warfare is just the opposite.

Also, I ask this all the time, but if anyone has any recommendations on guerrilla warfare literature, I would appreciate it.
>pic related

That's a great way to get the international community involved which is often a tactic used by the guerrillas.

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Good reading: The Ugly American

Yea, but I will always dislike jumping back and forth in time as a plot device.

Dammit Mox, go home.

>America
>obeying rules of warfare.

Jump in the water; gorillas can't swim.

based elephant

Guerillas take advantage of stupid and desperate poorfags to manipulate into being with them a good strategy for counter insurgency is to provide gibs to the population of the guerilla infested area to earn their trust also provide anti guerilla propaganda to prove that their idology is shit and they are nothing but armed bandits then arm the local populace then turn them against the guerillas themselves, they will fare better since they know their respective area and will provide valuable support to your few troops whose job is to help the allied militia in training and conducting operations. Them guerillas would get rekt fast since they have no manpower and virtually no supplies.

Wow you really figured it all out huh

First, cut off all supplies from foreign countries. Military arms aren't a cottage industry (well, except for the USA) so this will deplete their weapon stores.

Second, do not leave any area of the country untouched. Guerillas need a place to gather and organize. Deny them this.

Third, do what you can to destroy public support. Villainize them as much as possible and emphasize how much collateral damage they cause. Meanwhile, bribe any leader you can and provide humanitarian aid when possible.

Grenada?

Not a fucking soul in that whole group looks like they've performed more manual labor than picking up coffee for the guys at the office.

>"Folks of color"
>All those nu-male beards
>all those tiny arms and soft faces

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Based and leftist pilled, I was more talking to the muti million dollar power plants we built them that they literally just let sit vacant and couldn't use properly, or the hospitals that suffered the same fate. Or the bridges that have crumbled thanks to literal no maintenance. You can only do so much before you basically just have to subjugate the place and treat everyone like fucking children.

just Grenada

every time a guerilla incident occurs, remove 5 females from the nearest village, eventually the populace will hang the terrorists themselves

...or all of the men will now have reason to fight and kill whereas before they had a family to protect.

These are some really terrible ideas, guys.

Knock out the legs of the 'guerrilla triangle': popular support, foreign support, advantageous terrain.

This. Taking away the supply of pussy just pisses people off and makes them want to fight more. Have we learned nothing from Cpl. Person?

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Name one thing Cpl. Person was wrong about in the entire show, pro tip can't do it.

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Stabilize the country and make the new status more appealing than revolution.

Lack of pussy drives men insane you absolute mong

go door to door

thats what they did in iraq

the kids are the street spotters and as soon as troops and firepower rolls in ahmed and ahmad run to the hills and hide

they'll be gone before you know it and will either

a) have a contingency plan like leaving booby traps or setting up and ambush with their battalion sized family

b) dissapear

Bomb the shit out of them. Then leave. Don't waste time rebuilding anything. Just leave.

>hurr durr how would you hold territory tho

I wouldn't. I'd turn the area into a wasteland. Then leave. If I wanted resources from the area, I'd use local, poor, starving citizens, pay them well and have them do it.

>but how would you guard them

I wouldn't. I'd tell them that if my supply of oil/diamonds/gold etc stopped, my flow of cash to them stops. They'd figure it out.

Found a way to convince most of the population that the guerrilla doesn't even exist, a guerrilla that nobody knows is guerrilla that doesn't exist and it will neve become an army until people know about them.

This may just be the worst post in the thread. So if you subjugate the remainder of the people in that decimated country, what’s stopping them from revolting if you have no one to guard them? Pay them? What’s to stop them from looting all the money you have on the ground and declaring their nation again? Bomb them? Then you just waste millions on heavy ordnance like you did before. The very best case scenario is an expensive money pit

>Contrast this to the IRA which had the support of up to 95% of the (southern) populace

The IRA were never that popular even in the 20s.Feared yes as they might burn your home down or shoot you coming out of church but not supported widely, when the civil war broke out there were about 7000 IRA and 56000 immediately joined the free state army to fuck them up. The only reason they got anywhere is that the British army of the time was liked even less The 1970s provos were hated in southern Ireland. Less than 5% of the population supported them

>Specifically the working class.

fuck off with this Marxist nonsense.

I'd like to see where you're getting these numbers.

>in order to address the problem of rats, we need to deprive the rats of their primary food source
>"fuck off with this pro-rat nonsense"
You are dumb.

Remove his popular support by pouring titanic amounts of money into the native economy, uplifting the population's quality of life by an order of magnitude and providing the means for the native state's continuous economic growth.

Oh, did you want a military solution? That doesn't exist. Not unless guerillas 1)don't have popular support Or 2)if the native state in question is very small, sparsely populated AND you're willing to flood it with a million soldiers to patrol literally every square kilometer of it in platoon strength. Look at every single guerilla war in 20th century. Unless they fit these two criteria, they are all inevitably lost by the occupying government, no matter how powerful or ruthless.

People who think "hearts and minds" failed don't realize it was never attempted, only half-assed and given lip service to, while negating the few effects it had with indiscriminate boming. Kind of like communism, actually. To heart and mind a complete shithole like Afghanistan or even Vietnam doesn't take billions of dollars. Its tens of trillions. Because you essentially have to lift up an entire state from nothing an keep it there. Build entire industries, educate the entire population to a Western standard, reforge the entire culture and language through creating and funding a local pop-culture industry and media, and so, so much more, all the while minimizing violence against local population and just accepting friendly casualties (forget airstrikes, free fire zones, etc). In many ways, this is a task much harder than just colonizing a totally uninhabited territory. Christ didn't suffer for the people how you'll have to suffer for the fucking goatraping Afghans to make them into something resembling an American.

Gorillas

Hide like a bitch, irritate the enemy, manipulate public opinion, repeat until profit.

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>redneck revolt
So now they're trying to convince themselves they're rednecks since it got pointed out they're not working class?

A Carthaginian victory.

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My God, look at these faggots. Walking dead LOL

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