Why does the US lag behind so much in terms of SPGs?

Why does the US lag behind so much in terms of SPGs?

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Why do they lag behind?

Because the XM2001 Crusader was cancelled due to the FCS program having its own artillery contained in it (NLOS-C and NLOS-M). FCS was also cancelled, so here we are ~20 years later still using the M109A6. The M109 is being upgraded with an L58 gun an autoloader though, which will put it back on par with other nations' artillery somewhat.

American Mental Gymnastics incoming.

China received data from Ukraine conflict on how to use artillery. Now China is the best in artillery. Using loitering kamikaze drones to laze targets and then fire on them using super MLRS munitions. America does not even have loitering munitions.

Chinkmaster the post

Chinese leads in railgun and electro chemical gun research. America only leads in propaganda and lying.

Indeed.

China also has the longest ranged guided artillery round in the world.

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I know this is a chinkpost but
>America does not even have loitering munitions.
Nigger our entire doctrine is loitering munitions

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>Chinese leads in railgun and electro chemical gun research

yeah lol because they stole all the research

Implessive!

who needs artillery pieces when you own aerial superiority?

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>China also has the longest ranged guided artillery round in the world.
Nope.

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Is that a PZL-52? And what round are you talking about? Casual googling only shows me GP-1 and GP-6 Krasnopol clones with 20km and 25km range.

The two are very closely related designs btw - both Gerald Bull GC-45 descendants

While looking up these things, I found an interesting story: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Alpha_Centauri
>enemy having air superiority
>flying in artillery at night and hiding them in the bush
>shelling shit with G5s and MRLs at night
>can't shoot in the day, enemy MiGs looking for you - they know you are out there, somewhere
>commit weak troops to the attack, hold best troops in reserve
>fail to capture town but destroy a lot of shit
>subsequent operations in the same area result in ultimately losing the war

Mostly it's due to lack of need.

If we need precision then we've got air strikes.
If we need firepower we've got MRLS.
If we need affordability we've got Mortars.

SPGs just don't have a use.

>The M109 is being upgraded with an L58 gun an autoloader though, which will put it back on par with other nations' artillery somewhat.
Will it get a bore evacuator that actually works?
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The Heavy Brigades need a cannon that can keep up with their Brads and tanks.

This.

Free speech, 1989 incident, capitalism, free market, Winnie the Pooh, Chinese concentration camps

military-today.com/artillery/m1129_stryker_mortar.htm

You can also use the M270 MRLS in a pinch.

>America only leads in propaganda and lying
>Chang says as he lies through his teeth with the CCP standing over him, ready to kill his family if he slips up just one time

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>>commit weak troops to the attack, hold best troops in reserve
>>fail to capture town but destroy a lot of shit
>>subsequent operations in the same area result in ultimately losing the war
Thats a load of bullshit.

Cuito was never an objective, primary or secondary, of the operation. If it was, the SADF would not has maneuvered specifically to put a massive river (whos only bridges they had blown) between them and the town. The goal was to defend Mavinga, prevent any crossings on the Lomba river (hence the use of the river) and to destroy the Angolan 47 Brigade. This they did.
>proofs
All SADF operations were conducted on the West side of the River
>Op Packer
>Op Hooper

You're talking about the battles that took place after the one I referenced. Op Alpha Centauri was intended at taking Cuito Cuanavale, they just failed

Post Cold War cuts for one thing. Two entire generations of US SPGs were cut due to shrinking budgets, especially since the US already operates a lot of towed howitzers.

It's only now that budgets are being padded again that the Army is heavily modernizing the M109s.

Thats a UNITA operation, not SADF.

It has the two largest air forces in the world and pioneered pod-loaded MLRS.

Plus Crusader was cancelled.
Plus Paladin is a completely new system, rebuilt ship-of-theseus style in the A6 and A7 mods (swapped the hull first, then the turret second).

Last, ERCA is real and is contracting for hit0to-kill AT munitions + guided light/stationary precision shells.

The L58 barrel and propellant is great though. It enables you to upgrade any old 155mm cannon to now have 70km range with standard shells. I genuinely expect a lot of countries to just modernize their antique M198s and equivalents to use it as it's a relatively cheap upgrade that brings about a great boost in performance.

>he doesn't think bt tank gliders are the pinnacle of air superiority
Pathetic

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Agree, but your pic is unrelated

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beginning of their downfall

>Thats a UNITA operation, not SADF.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
It was both. SADF provided 1 infantry Batt and an array of supporting arms, UNITA provided 2 infantry Batts. SADF was originally to have the lead role but politics led to the two UNITA Batts conducting the assault while 32 Batt stayed in the rear guarding the artillery and support troops. Try reading before commenting so you don't embarrass yourself again.

>not wanting to inhale freedom

Fucking pussy

>using base-bleed in the 21st century

In what ways is the US behind?

>China received data
"Stole"; The word you're looking for is "Stole", past tense "Stolen" as in:
>Every major advancement in technology China has made since 1950 has been a direct result of stolen information, intellectual deceit, and outright dishonesty.

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Arguably because our only self propelled howitzer has been in use since 1963, although that's coming from people living in countries which operate something like a dozen different SPGs for no real reason.

>literally different vehicle
>shares name
>is the same thing

Look, I hate this vodkanigger/chinkposting as much as any other competent person, but let's be honest here; the M109 is still based on a platform first used in the early 60s. Yes, it's heavily modernized, and yes we can get into a "grandfather's ax" paradox debate here, but compared to vehicles like the PzH2000 and 2S35, or even AS-90, you're still working with an older foundation. None of this is to say that the M109 isn't every bit as capable as its contemporaries thanks to countless upgrades; simply that there is some logic behind the assertion that it's somehow inferior because given a very basic knowledge of the age of the title "M109"

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to be fair, the M109A7 is meant to be a far more modular than any other SPG around right now. Particularly with its power generation and weight capacity.

Most interesting is the work they've been doing on putting a railgun on it and serving as both artillery and air defense, which if successful and catches on elsewhere, would make artillery the undisputed God-Emperor of the battlefield.

>you're still working with an older foundation
>literally nothing in common with the foundation

is there a railgun project for it? Casual searching says it's just the projectile from a railgun project, adapted to a round sabot instead of a square armature.

They also lead in elevator, escalator, car accidents and industrial explosions :)

spbp

Will the autoloader finally introduce MRSI to the US?

>Its almost as though the SADF did not cross the river
>Its almost as though the capture of Cuito was not an operational goal
>Its almost as if the capture of Cuito was an UNITA objective
>Its almost as though all the SADF did was support an ally

Msta has a max range of 45km, G6 has been tested out to 73km.