Russia offers Sukhoi Su-35 to Turkey instead of F-35

The Indians are literally looking to replace their Russian missiles with Israeli ones after they had issues with them during the conflict with the Pakis. Russian A2A is hot garbage, just like it’s always been.

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>breaking news

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>Turkey will get Su-57 AMERIMUTTS BTFO’D
>Su-35
Lel, what happened to those Su-57s? Surely not because they’re going to be further delayed, right?

It's not a good 4.5 gen because it has oudated electronics even for that. It's a good aircraft if you're only planning to fight slavshit and legacy 4th gen western aircraft though.

The F-35 is stealthier than the F-22 (people are still using the early requirements from 2006 or whatever as a measure of how stealthy the F-35 is), and the values for the Su-35 to detect the F-22 at 36 km assumes the F-22 has quite a large RCS. Better estimations would put it below 30 km, and the F-35 is closer to 20 km.

>Source, Journal of Proctology, Current Year (self published)

its just that one croat poster that keeps posting them

Wasting an advanced 5th gen fighter with multirole capabilities for weapons that are considered "alien" to a western military doctrine you have committed to for decades, is a form of stupidity and confusion in armament policies.

>Costs 35% of the F-35 per plane in purchase costs and 25% per flight hour
>(1/50th of the cost of US smart bombs).
I'm gonna need some source on that

LOL

TASS Says that the cost is about 85 million USD, so probably the same ballpark cost as the Joint Strike Fighter.

Who cares

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I want them to kick me in my nuts.

just the same number, so I guess it's a fair trade

>TASS

Are you the fucking Pajeet that swore Russian AAA could shoot down ICBMs in the launch phase and didn't know what a fucking depth charge was?!

>This thread is going to be fucking great

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It's owned by the Russian government, just like the United Aircraft Corporation that manufactures the SU-35. I'd say it's a pretty accurate source.

>It's owned by the Russian government,
yeah that's the problem

Sure, but I doubt that they're drastically overstating the cost, which is why it proves the other guy wrong

>Su-35
>F-35
Same thing.
Da.

Imagine getting kicked in the face by their little feet lol gross right guys?

Yeah, gross. Disgusting even.

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Russia can't mass produce high tech military equipment even if her life depended on it. Even if Turkey did accept the offer this would only be a small pause in the downward trajectory of losing the current market share.

India is abandoning them, Pakistan has Chinese tech, US has twisted Indonesian arms on multiple occasions to stop the plans to buy anything russian..

>believing the same bullshit

Impressive

Putin based and Red army pilled

>Indonesian
That gives me an idea. If Indonesia can trade palm oil for Russian jets, what could Turkey export in exchange? The Russians seem super desperate to move product, even if it means trading in commodities instead of currency.

>what could Turkey export in exchange
Coffee, Turkish Delight, and homosexuals, but Russia's already got plenty of the last one

The biggest issue here is a logistical and training one. Contrary to what Russia pretends, you can't simply switch from NATO to Russian tech overnight and Turkey's military is so heavily integrated into NATO hardware it'll be a huge issue to buy Russian fighters now.

Russia offered Israel the Su-35 and they precisely shot it down because "our air force only has Western spare parts, training, software, and experience".

Turkey had invested heavily in the F-35 program and had geared it to be its next gen fighter for quite some time now. The cost and logistical burden of looking elsewhere will be huge. It wasn't worth the S-400s, in this context. But Erdogan is very stubborn like that.

Yeah, I'm not even sure what they're gonna use to replace their F-4s at this point. The Turks need some sort of bomb trucks, and they have way too many US munitions to buy something that isn't American. Maybe they can buy Australia's secondhand F-18s from Canada after they inevitably buy F-35s.

good

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Good, hopefully they use them to bomb the fuck out of filthy commie kurdniggers

That must be why China is buying all those Su-57s. Oh wait.

Turkey getting kicked out of the F-35 means a loss in billions for Turkish companies. They were manufacturing a large amount of parts for the plane, so when all that production goes to the US, Britain, etc all those companies are going to get hosed. Turkey has always built their arms industry around Western technology, switching to Russian planes would be far too expensive and complex for an already overwhelmed military that is reeling from what seems to be an ongoing purge of it's ranks since the coup.

Turkey could very well rejoin the F-35 program when Erdogan gets voted out of office next election anyways, I suspect whoever replaces him will be far more friendly to the west than Erdogan is due to the Turkish people's overwhelming rejection of the AKP mandate in both Ankara and Istanbul.

JUST AS GOOD is actually better than what the Turks are getting. A cheap AR is 95% as good as an expensive one.

The Su35 is nowhere near that relative to the F35.

ITT: Jow Forums coping people don't want a discount F-22 that the MIC trots out since it's been a total bureaucratic disaster

here comes 6th gen.

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This, exactly

>Source: Aviation Week
kek'd

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I think it has more to do with the fact Turkey is going through an economic not seen since the 80s for them and have been grappling with a polarizing political environment as the dominant power is slowly losing it's grip over the country. Their F-35 order was huge and was in the billions of dollars worth, buying the S-400 is a much, much cheaper alternative and can be used by Erdogan as him "standing up to the West" to domestic consumption, specifically the Turkish nationalists.

How many times can you believe the words of proven liars? Russians and Chinese simply cannot compete with the West when it comes to cutting edge aircraft.

>when Erdogan gets voted out of office next election anyways, I suspect whoever replaces him will be far more friendly to the west than Erdogan is due to the Turkish people's overwhelming rejection of the AKP mandate in both Ankara and Istanbul.
Those are liberal cities and outliers at best, also the recent reaction to this has been a lot of the population turning far more anti-western. The majority of voters and AKP support are in the central and eastern provinces, chances of Erdogan losing a national election is near zero and the US is making a huge mistake if it thinks snactions or threats will do anything other than galvanize Turks against the US and west.

>proven liars
>implying the US is not the largest distributor of disinformation on earth
lmao

The difference is that Western designs are flying right now. They're delivering ordnance right now.

The US has fielded a 5th gen fighter for 15 years while the nearest competitor has made a handful of prototypes.

>Istanbul
That's Constantinople to you

For a Warhammer adaption it's a well developed Eldar forehead, no need for makeup.

Not to mention the western designs are actually stealth.

>proven liars
hello cianigger

>Russia and China are honest!!!

Jesus Christ

AWWSOME THREAD

US is the biggest funder of terrorism in the world. and the biggest liar too.

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T.Ivan
bbc.com/news/world-europe-41991012

Is the US still funding ISIS and Al Qaeda? Kek

PS: BBC is literally MI5 and MI6 run """"news"""" organization.

>Russian lie literally proven to be a lie
>it’s all fake muh based Putin

The first sentence he said is true though

nigger, are you fucking for real? CIA has been funding """moderate""" AlQ terrorists for years and years. And even ISIS got lots of the US equipment and weapons.

>And even ISIS got lots of the US equipment and weapons
Well by that standard, Russia has supported every terror group on earth.

>B-BUT MUH RUSSIANS
lol'd at your butthurt

Cope just using your logic

>Fatima
>liberal

Lol, he lost in the most religious places in all of Turkey.

b-but russians?

>radio-photonic radar
topkek
Maybe I should save this post and use it to shitpost in 5 years when the lards are the first ones to field a radio-photonic radar while the Russians are still struggling to get their AESA to work.

This.

Plus, doesn't the F-22 have shit attached to it that deliberately makes its profile larger so that our enemies won't be able to adequately determine it's actual stealth capabilities and be able to develop effective counter-measures in advance of a war?

All US stealth aircraft, so all operational stealth aircraft, use attachable devices called Luneburg Lenses to drastically increase their radar cross section. They’ll take them off for combat operations in a high threat environment and certain training exercises, but they generally fly with them on, for both safety reasons in congested air space and the keeping the true radar characteristics concealed like you said.

>liberal
>lost in the most religious places in all of Turkey.
Isnt that kind of proving the point

it's partially what makes the claims of detecting the f-35 so silly, the quantam photobionic chong rays are just icing on the cake

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Fatima isn't a religious city? AKP got btfo in fucking Ankara dude and AKP which it had held for decades, it's literally over for them.

Is there a Russian version of the Tiananmen Square copypasta?