Congratulations Turkey. You could have had F35s...

Congratulations Turkey. You could have had F35s, but now you can get shitty Russian 4th gen fighters and a slightly above average air defence system instead.

Oh, and good luck staying in NATO.

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Sounds pretty based to me.

>Su-35 instead of F-35
When will they remove Erdogan before he ruins the country?

Good choice. They don't really need F-35.

It also doesn’t help that all of their other aircraft require western replacement parts.

>Oh, and good luck staying in NATO.
Stop LARPing you jingoistic monkey.

good choice,combined with S400 it should keep the mutts and globalism at bay for them.

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It's based on the Spainish Carlos, why would they stop helping them build it?

That chart seems to make it out like an IRST is going to pick up an F-35 at >160km, which is a blatant lie even under good weather conditions. Do people fall for this shit?

Based on the elections in Istanbull, the next national election.

Indians are saying that want Israeli missiles because their Russian ones aren’t as effective at long ranges as advertised.
>no Su-57
I’m laughin

All the time.

They are trying to stockpile F-16 parts, but long run if they keep going they'll become an Iran tier military with zero actual punch.

you do know there's literally no way for NATO to remove a member?

And since they operate by consensus, if Turkey is aligning with Russia, they can stonewall any non-article V action. NATO hasn't been in good shape for a while but with the EU pissing of Turkey to the point that they are looking east for allies instead of west, they might just have nailed the coffin shut on NATO.

I'm somewhat curious as to whether or not current Turkey's foreign policy will survive past Erdogan. His party seems more anti-western than the opposition, but I honestly don't know if his successors will carry out similar policies.

The real joke is that in the medium term, all this means is that the US/NATO will get their hands on the S-400 and Su-35, just like they did with the S-300 and Su-27.

Well the EU has been pissing off turkroaches a lot and the US keeps bombing the terrorists they use for proxy wars against the other arab states.

>not taking the botnet and instead choosing the chad

dont see anything wrong with that

>And since they operate by consensus, if Turkey is aligning with Russia, they can stonewall any non-article V action. NATO hasn't been in good shape for a while but with the EU pissing of Turkey to the point that they are looking east for allies instead of west, they might just have nailed the coffin shut on NATO.

NATO will exist because it is in the Wests interests that it continues to exist.

If you think Turkey can stonewall anything you are a literal fucking brainlet. If Turkeys acts hostile to the fuctioning of NATO they will be cut out from the decision making, instantly. It would be as simple as rescinding their invitation to the organization on the basis that they have violated their treaty obligation to promote stability and well-being in the area. The decision would be "unanimous"- anyone that might oppose it would get pressured into going along with it by the US/UK/France/Germany.

More realistically though, Turkey stays in NATO but suffers escalating internal conflict totally-not-orchestrated-by-foreign-intelligence, ultimately resulting in Erdogan swinging from a streetlamp by the neck.

>but suffers escalating internal conflict totally-not-orchestrated-by-foreign-intelligence
Time to bring out those colors again uh

skipped right over that
>no mechanism to remove members
huh?

Will the rest of NATO do something? Sure, if enough of them want to do it. But under the rules as they stand, yes Turkey can stonewall them from doing it as NATO.

>skipped right over that
Not him, I can't see that being an issue really. Since none of the smaller nations in NATO would stick their necks out for Turkey and the big 4 are getting fed up with them, what would it matter if their isn't an official procedural guideline on removing them?

Because to theoretically create that mechanism would require...unanimity.

Again, that doesn't stop NATO minus Turkey from doing shit. And 5.56 and 7.62 will still fit in everybody's guns but by the rules it won't be NATO doing it.

>Because to theoretically create that mechanism would require...unanimity.

It would happen because the United States, United Kingdom, France and Germany decide it must happen- that is literally the only consensus that matters and there is no reason for any of them to pander to Turkey- who is literally only valuable if they are west-aligned.

If anyone disagrees, their arm will be twisted until they shut the fuck up and tow the line.

This is not the justice system where a defendant is ensured certain inalienable rights, this is international politics. If Turkey tries to hide behind the fact that there is no explicit clause to kick them out of NATO, the rules will simply be changed or reinterpreted in any number of different ways to achieve the goal that the parties in power desire.

It's really astounding that you don't realize this.

>we'll make shit up
And that will further NATO's standing? No. It tells all the small countries
>if shit gets tough we'll sacrifice you to weasel out of obligations just like the US did with Ukraine
They do that and NATO is dead.

I'm astounded you can't think 2 moves ahead as to why that's a bad idea.

>if shit gets tough
Turkey is 100 percent responsible for the situation they find themselves in now. Do you think the Baltics are going to start trying to build up an empire or something? Come on dude.

I think they might opt out of being our meat-shield

For somebody who claims to see the "real politics" you're remarkably short sighted.

>Do you think the Baltics are going to start trying to build up an empire or something?
I wish. That'd probably piss off the Russians.

>No F-35's for you!
>good luck staying in NATO
You're saying this like it's bad

>we'll make shit up

Brainlet confirmed. That's literally how international politics work. The powers with controlling interest get to decide what is what and everyone else goes along with it because it's in their best interest. That's why everyone pretends Taiwan is part of China. Go look at all of the wars in the past 100 years and count how many were started "because reasons".

>sacrificing Turkey

Turkey deciding to align themselves with Russia and destabilize Western politics is not "sacrificing Turkey". Small countries aren't airtight boxes- They know what's going on. Kicking Turkey out for attempting to interfere with NATO in bad faith would be such a predictable response that I can't imagine anyone actually protesting it if it happened.

It isn't telling the NATO community that you'll be sacrificed, it's telling the NATO community that there will be no abiding attempts to undermine NATO from a bureaucratic angle.

>They do that and NATO is dead.

The only situation here where NATO is dead is if NATO allows Russian/Turkey to undermine their functioning. Kicking Turkey out for siding with Russia would literally be proof that the organization is still relevant and credible.

The Baltics actively campaigned to join NATO against the objections and reservations of pre-existing NATO members. They weren't forced into it. Read a fucking book son.

>IRST
>150+ km
>from the front
Uhh...

yes and the situation has changed if NATO guarantees don't mean shit

>Making shit up won't negatively affect us
The entire point of making rules and charters etc is to allow stability in the game. If NATO does this? It goes from being soccer to being calvin-ball. It defeats the purpose of the alliance. Add that to a geopolitical area that has felt shat upon by western europe for centuries. Oh yes. I'm sure they'll be our trustworthy allies.
>sacrificing turkey
I'm not talking about Turkey. It's the second step.
>how problematic does a country need to be before it guts the knife
nobody was willing to fight for Ukraine. Why in hell would we trust them to fight for us? And the guarantees of "an equal voice" for members is gone. Was it ever reallly true? Of course not. Otherwise Greece would have had its way in the 90s. But the facade must be kept up. You chip away too much at legitimacy and the game changes.

Right now our biggest enemy is Israel
F A C T S

All this means is either:
1) US gets ahold of SU-35, realizes it's shit, and stops caring, so Turkey becomes Western-aligned again
2) Erdogan gets gangraped in the middle of Istanbul
or
3) Turkey gets the boot from NATO in the next 5 years, Turks in Germany get angry, cleansing of Europe begins.

Close your eyes and just believe, user. Believe

Turkey was ruined the moment the turks moved in.

reminder

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When can we kick these fags out of nato?

>AIM-120C
How nice of them to use the older shorter range version of the missile instead of the AIM-120D, which the F-35 actually uses for A2A.

Turkey wont buy them.

They can buy 50 billion cannon fodder vatnik planes for their stinky kebab pilots for the price of a greasy amerishart plane, who cares about the generations when the pilots are shit and will eventually get shot down by drunk Serb pissing upwards.

Looks like this memes gonna updated in the future.

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They literally do dipshit. This has been observed well within our lifetimes.