Iran war thread. We need to discuss the Jow Forums aspects of the impending war...

You might see a convoy system get put in place, but with so many different nations transiting the straight, it would be a mess and cut into profit margins and time tables.

If shit really kicks off, there will be a full on strike to begin with to try and remove as many shore batteries and radars as possible, as well as anything bigger than a gunboat. After that, you can standoff and use aircraft to target anything small moving out of port. At that point you only have to worry about the Iranian air force and the occasional pop-up missile battery.

Well, if they did manage to sink or severely damage one, it would give the US reason -and most likely public backing- to go in there hard fast and dry.

Main factor to consider:

The US and the rest of the Zio-colonies simply don't have the stomach for a "regular" war against Iran that involves massive amounts of ground troops and such. A war against Iran would be all about bombing them to make sure that they remain a non-threat for several decades and of course to try to minimize the impacts of Iranian retaliation.

So we are talking a massive bombing campaign and try to fend off Iranian missile attacks, sabotage and the closing of the straight..

By what means? A ground invasion? Iran isn't Iraq. It's a mountainous country with way more people in it. You can't just blitz a few armoured divisions around and topple the govt; it'll be a slog.

The more likely course of action would be to enforce a DMZ along Iran's coast. Knock out all of the military installations and assets that would allow them to maintain a sea campaign in the strait.

ships have limited anti missile ammo. iran can launch hundreds in a swarm attack including decoys to deplete the ships ammo/ overwhelm the defences. A couple of good hits and the ships toast.

I just wanna see LiveLeak video of literally hundreds of missiles being scythed down like wheat by a full task group's worth of CIWS and missile fire

>Brainlet

More US soldiers would die than any war since WWII.
There are more people in Tehran alone than there were in Iraq, and Iran is in much better shape than Iraq was in 2003.

It would be interesting to see how anti ship missiles fair against a modern navy

I like how America has so many fucking carriers that it's divided into First and Second Rate carriers (actual carriers versus the LHDs any other navy would call a carrier)

Mods keep deleting Iran threads, which imo is stupid because it's not political to talk about military capabilities how a war would be executed

If the Brits are involved, I wonder if we could see an emergency deployment of QE to the Middle East carrying USMC F35Bs.

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This is assuming Iran can mass enough missiles that have the range and accuracy to threaten the CSG. Most of Iran's long range firepower is in relatively cheap but inaccurate ballistic missiles. Basically SCUDS.

That was standard Soviet doctrine, and American systems are designed to counter exactly that. AEGIS can track and engage a shitfuck of targets, Phalanx doesn't even need the ship's sensors to just go ham on missiles, and each Burke in a group carries more SM-2 and ESSM than a small navy.

It does if the US decides to ferry a carrier through the Strait.

There was an engagement where Houthis fired off a couple missiles towards a Burke and they were all either intercepted or lured away

Everyone within Iran is obese. We simply disable their mobility scooters and we win.

>AEGIS
Just Aegis.
>engage a shitfuck of targets
lol how many semi-actives can be directed to terminal? Less than you think.

Yes, because the US is just going to sail a carrier through the straight without any sort of recon or escort whatsoever.

If there is a war, I think its important to put carriers in the Gulf, but only after Iran has been significantly degraded in military capability.

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How can Iran defeat the US and its allies when Russia had to save them against goat farmers iN Syria?

Yes, that's why there is an important word in the sentence. IF.

>muh unsinkable carriers
this meme again, no ship is unsinkable, many were thought to be.

To help keep the retarded mods from nuking the thread, lets get some pictures of Iranian weapon systems posted.

As much as yet another war would suck, it would be damn interesting to see so many legacy US system put into action.

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>lol how many semi-actives can be directed to terminal? Less than you think.
Sure, but SM-6, SM-3, ESSM, and RAM all have independent terminal guidance.

A burger aircraft carrier going down with the sharks along with all the cowardly, murdering, mercenary rats that crew it...

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>implying we're going to fire US soldiers at Iran
We'd probably just use bombs and missiles.

Nobody's debating that a carrier can sink if struck by sufficient ordinance. What's under debate is whether Iran is capable of actually penetrating a carrier group's many, many layers of missiles and guns. Even the 5" guns would be firing at missiles in a swarm scenario.

Iran has a rather eclectic collection of weapons systems from older US and Russian stuff, to even some semi-modern Euro stuff as well.

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Probably limited cruise missile strikes on Iranian naval bases. Keep in mind here the trouble makers are the IRGC and != the Iranian Navy. They are basically an independent branch of the military with their own set of goals. Iran won't risk a shooting war with the US Navy at sea but will take this opportunity to punch Israel in the face multiple times with ballistic missile strikes with conventional warheads.

This war can't happen guys. My gf is deployed in the area. Please don't meme it.

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I feel the need to post this

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Another thing to look forward too, indigenous weapons finally put to a real test. Iran has all sorts of home made version of various Russian and Chinese systems. It would be interesting to see just how well they function.

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The problem is that clearing the gulf takes time, and time -especially in the case of the persian gulf- is money.

The global economy is in a precarious position at the moment, a sudden oil price shock could crash it.
This is the last thing that the current US admin would want, there is no way they want the US economy crashing before re-election.
IMO this is what Iran is banking on.
The US/UK will do some sabre rattling, but ultimately they will ease sanctions.

Worked for Vietnam.

>gf
>deployed
Cuck.

At least you cuck "her" right?

Operation Sentinel

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iran's allied with russia so it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that they've helped iran develop their missile capabilities. + they still earn enough from their oil that they can amass a large stockpile. any land based attack executed tactfully against ships would always win simply because you're not constrained for ammo. Can a CSG really hold off hundreds of ASM's, cruise missiles, srbm's launched from air, land, sea at the same time? unlikely.

Thanks!

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and how long could they keep up that defensive barrage? Against how many missiles? You suggest Iran sends one single anti ship missile from one location?
The Persian Gulf is a death trap, the Group would face fire from a thousand sources, Anti Ship missiles, Drones, Aircraft, Cruise Missiles, Ships of all sizes, Submarines, even Torpedoes and Mines.
Who says they target the Carrier first and don't wear down it's escort one by one first? There is a plethora of dangers a Carrier faces in the Persian Gulf, and not a lot of space to hide in or retreat to.
Even if not sunk but only damaged, there is no safe port in the gulf where cruise missiles and standoff munitions wouldn't be lobbed at it.

It's doubtful if it was hundreds or thousands of them launched near simultaneously something's getting through. It won't come to that it'll be some cruise missiles launched and a slap on the wrist of the Iranians. The Trumptards will scream victory see what our lord and savior did he stood up to the beast.

If you think about it, its just a poor mans Stryker MGS. 1/8th the capability for 1/9th the price.

Now picture north Vietnam with a bunch of above ground infrastructure and the US with a practically unlimited supply of missiles, rockets, drones, artillery and other weapons that can be launched at it from hundreds or thousands of miles away.

What is unlikely is for a force to just sit idle and try to tank such an attack. A navy isn't just going to sail into range of hostile shore defenses without launching preemptive strikes. They are not just going to let Iran line up all of it's launcher on the shore for a massive attack. Some units will be held in reserve to replace losses, while others will be held for second strike and pop up attacks.

With time between sorties, and interference from SAMs and Iranian air power, oh sure western forces won't be able to get every single target, but the Iranians are not going to be able to mass all of their system for a single attack either.

Why thought? Thery don't need to go anywhere near Iran. Just park them out of Iran's range at the 'gate' and do as normal. Outrange and and bomb to shit.

They would need to patch up that leak from the sea trials first though, plus any other issues that might have come up.
It could be some time before the QE is ready to deploy again.

>don't have the stomach for a "regular" war
Many americans are so itching for a conflict we are ready to go to war with ourselves

Yeah but thats like saying the republican guard could stomp the US marine corps if the marines all put down their weapons and marched into Tehran first.
You're technically correct, but you aren't actually telling us anything useful.

As a show of force. To remind Russia and China just how capable we are.

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That thing looks like a Crotal, a ancient as fuck french SAM system.

>not realizing that I have already gone to Afghanistan and done my time as a rifleman.

Maybe some day you will be secure in your masculinity.

No it's not Iraq it's closer to Afghanistan but the geography wont cause it to be a quagmire

Could you imagine a full scale invasion like Iraq but in the years of 4k cameras and cheap as fuck go pros

You are very confident for being entirely wrong.

There would be near endless content. Like during the peak years from Syria but scaled up probably ten fold

What year was this taken? I was on the USS Kearsarge for a while. I am assuming this is pre 9/11

Interesting

Just how many do you think Iran will get off if they are reacting to a preemptive strike from NATO? My guess is not enough to overwhelm anti missile systems

Its a nonsensical action so the if doesn't make sense

File info says April 20, 2003. Probably in the run-up to the Iraq War.

200403-N-7128D-007 April 20, 2003 IN THE NORTH ARABIAN GULF -- USS Boxer (LHD 4) moved into position as the amphibious assault ships of Task Force 51 come together in an unprecedented formation during operations in the North Arabian Gulf. This marked the first time that six large deck amphibious ships from the East and West coasts have deployed together in one area of operations. Led by the flag ship USS Tarawa (LHA 1), the ships in the second row from bottom to top are USS Saipan (LHA 2) and USS Kearsarge (LHD 3); and the third row ships are Boxer, USS Bataan (LHD 5) and USS Bonhomme Richard (LHD 6). Commander, Task Force 51 led Navy amphibious forces in the Arabian Gulf region during Operation Iraqi Freedom. The 32 ships of Task Force 51 composed the largest amphibious force assembled since the Inchon landing during the Korean War. OIF is the multinational coalition effort to liberate the Iraqi people, eliminate Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and end the regime of Saddam Hussein. (U.S. Navy photo by Chief Photographer's Mate Tom Daily)

Shocking to see that many LHD's in one location. Thats 6 battalion sof Marines. They may have been en route to the Med before offloading for OIF 1.

Guess I was right. Thanks for the info senpai. LHD3 was a shit show but fun. Christ, I miss the Marine Corps.

Every year we go without fighting them means more middle eastern proxy wars, more economic fuckerey and allowing a very hostile enemy to get stronger. War sucks, itll be devastating to many but this war should have happened a long time ago and the sooner this Iranian government is felt with the sooner the regional problems disappear

Yes, the if is important. It wasn't meant to be a serious thought in regards to what might happen. I thought it was fairly obvious.

It's an HQ-7, which is a Chinese copy of the Crotale. The Iranians have an unlicensed copy of HQ-7 and a few domestic systems based on it.

Suicide boats are more likely.

>only one island
Ewww.

lets all get on google maps and look for potential iranian miliary targets that we can tweet to NATO forces

Now this is high quality bait

Unlike the Russians I don't think they exactly need help finding targets

The OP was shit and retarded.

Dream on Persian, this war will just be a pile of dead Iranians and the poxyfags that help them.

The US sending another 500 soldiers to Saudi Arabia.
USS Boxer and her escort is in the area, Britain has the Type 45 HMS Duncan en route to meet the Type 23 HMS Montrose.
Iran has very quickly dug itself into a hole.

>Claiming Iran will sink a carrier
Very difficult for them to do, and if they succeeded then their prize would be the ass-raping of a century.

16 ships and 20,000 service members are lost by the US. They then proceed to change the rules and pretend it never happened.

What's really funny is that it's not that hard. You can see little horseshoe shaped revetments all along the coast of Qeshm Island on Google maps.

Sinking an aircraft carrier would turn a syria like cruise missile strike into an invasion.

Nope. The US will park all their ships outside of AShM range. Retards think we'd just sail a CVN through the Straits of Hormuz.

Wow very woke mr guy. The reason no one is pouring men into the country is only because of the controlled opposition not having a “stomach” nothing to do with Iran having lots of artillery that doesn’t need to be taken out with ground troops.
>inb4 rabbi Shabbat goy Chaim

The whole thing will be done by subs and the Iranians won't have a clue it's happening until the missiles start coming down.

What does Iran have to fear?
They have nothing to lose.
The west has a lot to lose in this engagement.

Another Type 23 is heading to the area.

>They have nothing to lose.
They potentially stand to lose a whole lot more than the west

Iran is going to be absolutely btfo'd by weapon systems we don't even know about, just like Iraq. Absent that, their shore defense will crumble under the weight of the preemptive strikes that take place before the carries come even close. It's going to be amusing watching the vatniggers screech about war crimes and whatever.

I think it's likely a US/NATO ship will get sunk, simply because there needs to be presence in the straights and near the Iranian coast to stop any fuckery with the oil flow. There's a lot of coastline and a lot of opportunity for some IRGC on a speedboat to have a lucky break

I say we sit back and watch the Eternal Anglo and Eternal Jew fight the Eternal Persian, while cooking popcorn and selling weapons to both sides at competitive prices.

Fuck being the world Police, and fuck ZOG.

>What does Iran have to fear?
To cease being a state in its current form.

>The west has a lot to lose in this engagement.
A few oil tankers and warships, potentially some oil in SA if Iran goes full retard.

Asymmetric warfare against America assets in Syria and Iraq hundreds of USA dead followed by complete USA retreat from like lebanon in 82.

very woke, now kindly fuck off back to Jow Forums. Shit like this is why we can't talk about these sorts of subjects.

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