IT TOUGHED IT OUT AGAINST SADDAM HUSSEIN'S HUGE ARMORED FLEETS IN THE GULF WAR

>IT TOUGHED IT OUT AGAINST SADDAM HUSSEIN'S HUGE ARMORED FLEETS IN THE GULF WAR

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>no blow out panels
>multi piece ammunition
1930s tier

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>rifled gun
>slow
lol

Hell weren't the french using AMX-30s?

idk but the USMC was using fucking M-60's and still BTFO a shitton of T-72's

The French were put in a position where they wouldn't face any significant armor. Because they only brought a battalion's worth of actual tanks for their division.

the average reload with multi-piece sabots is actually faster and more consistent because you can lap-load the inert piece and then load the lighter propellant

You can battle carry full rounds too. It's marginally less safe and ostensibly banned, but done anyways.

how many battlecruisers need to brewup before people learn their lesson

Battlecruisers brew up because their armor is too thin to protect their magazines. If a shell penetrated and hit the round in your hand, you're probably fucking dead already. You won't be any less dead if it goes off. And I doubt that it'd be faster for firing more than the first follow-up shell, and even then is debatable.

All the battlecruisers lost to magazine detonations were British at Jutland. No German BCs were lost that way because they didn't have appallingly unsafe cordite handling, storage and flash precautions.

Hood went in the same way though, right? I'd have thought they'd stamped out the practices by then

No. HMS hood was unlucky enough to get hit by plunging fire from the Bismarck. The shell hit the Hood vertically bypassing the armor and going right into the magazine

into their esoteric cordite vat

actually touched of a 4 inch shell magazine, the explosion from that set off the main magazine
to be fair to the RN the actual handling procedures in the manual were better, hatch covers were removed on beattys ships by his order, the grand fleet had much better turret safety precautions

When the hood was scuttled it was because of a lucky shot.

There is no such thing as a lucky shot.

Wasn't it's only experience in Iraq basically just guarding choke points they had already ranged from as far as they could so they could pop t55's at 5km in order to set records and thus look like they were doing something when they really weren't?

They didn't carry the weight of the operation, yes.

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British BCs were also SIGNIFICANTLY more armored than British BCs. Like, they dropped 3"s off all their guns to be able to afford the armor.

*German BCs over British BCs

It's a good thing that they will hire the germans to fix this POS with their Challenger 2 LEP.

What's wrong with the Challenger 2 as it is?

Everything

It's not a Leo2.

The Leo 2's protection is crap for a MBT, its not even composite like most MBTs

It's not American or Russian so most of the factions on Jow Forums feel compelled to shit on it

guns not the most powerful.

Its by no means as bad as Jow Forums likes to pretend, it can and has killed MBTs and its got very good munitions for non MBT targets but its ammo is more expensive per round than the standard nato stuff as well as marginally less effective and not compatible with other NATO tanks.

but its british and less than perfect so Jow Forums feels obligated to shit on it from a great height

As it is currently? It hasn't gotten a serious upgrade in 20 years. A lot has happened in 20 years. Sights (including thermals), FCS, and armor package are old and could use some work. Needs a CITV. At this point, could also use an APS of some sort. Not even necessarily hard-kill either.

So yes, it needs some fucking work.