/egg/ - euro gun general

the EU specified nothing about dates and since the directive still allows ownership of large capacity mags, it's all local politicians making our lives hell

Norwegian gun owner here. If you're Norwegian and want to get into guns, join the discord in the pastebin.

Also, remember that you can 3d print quite a lot of mags these days, so the EU can suck a fuck.

Do any of you euros have the Chinese ak74s? I want a mag from one and will pay you many Amerimutt dollhairs

so the police of zurich recently released a document stating how the recently adopted EU laws will be applied. it boils down to "yeah we changed the name of the document you have to file". being a mountain jew is fucking awesome

You realize that Finland has the right to say certain groups of people are allowed to own any magazine whatsoever under the EU firearms directive, right?

Finland has the right to exempt all sport shooters, militia, etc from the magazine capacity restriction.

>I doubt it, 1946 was obviously chosen because EU wants to yeet AK's

That is fucking bullshit.

Look at the firearms directive's source text and its implementation in other countries with regards to magazine capacity and you'll see that's entirely false. It's Finnish politicians that fucked you over, using the EU firearms directive as an excuse...

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Yes, the current restrictions were implemented by Finnish politicians, but considering that EU has been pushing for a ban on the AK47 it's safe to assume that it had some influence on our laws.

firearms-united.com/ar15-ak47-ban/

No.

Video that explains the changes: youtube.com/watch?v=RJkG9u7ZMRY&feature=youtu.be

Changes in detail from the swiss government website (pdf, german): admin.ch/opc/de/federal-gazette/2018/6085.pdf

I found no english version, sorry.

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Wew have fun getting your thread bombarded with Russian shills, (that's not a threat, it happening with the Brit one, although we all just laughed at him)

Lol are you guys now stealing our historic meme flags and acting like you have spines?

I fucked up. forget the video, that was propaganda from EU-bootlickers.

And here's the final firearm revision:
bsvw.ch/pdf/2019_Waffen_Verordnung_ab190815.pdf

there has been absolutely zero compliance with the directive in relation to magazines

>RN
>Far right

She has a shooting licence and owns at least one 4'' 686 though, so that's nice.

>Finnish politicians that fucked you over, using the EU firearms directive as an excuse
It is very important to remember this for all members of the EU. Politicians have all the opportunities to exempt certain groups and guns but as usual they use the EU to excuse their draconian over implementation of the directive.
Here in Sweden YES, the socialists and hippies goes above and beyond in every regard to prohibit and ban, far more than the EU directive demands.
As luck would have it, they are a minority government and the conservatives have managed to get a majority to tell the commies to go fuck themselves with their bans, for now at least.

user from Slovakia here. like our gun laws (CC, castle doctrine, good laws about defending yourselve..), love my guns, love my friends big outdoor shooting range.. fuck EU, we will always find our way to get what we want :)

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poor little euros

yeah, but then again, a lot of politicians have guns. David Douillet being one who comes to mind, he's cool though since he stood up for us. most gun owning politicians are hunters though, even Manu 1er, who recently hunted in Sologne, also Didier Guillaume who was at the Game Fair.

What is the deal with mags in Finland? When I was living there in 2009-2011 I had a friend who had some 30 round magazines. One time when we were hanging out drinking he started a little contest to see which of us could load the cartridges into the magazine the quickest. Was he not supposed to have those? I assumed they were A-ok but maybe he just took them home from the army?

what is the legislation on suppressors? I know some eastern countries ban them.

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More like came and took it

yeah well.. there are few options - you have to know someone from the interior or defence ministry and you can get permit. or you got a company that can work with such things.. supressors are hard to get here.

I'm unable to join the Telegram chat? "Sorry, this chat does not seem to exist"

fbpb
I live in Belgium and I'm not even allowed to have a FAL anymore

will I send you another link to try?

>What is the deal with mags in Finland?
We're following the EU directive now.
Rifle mags that take more than 10 rounds belong to the new & scary "A category", which practically makes 'em banned in other countries, but you can get licenses for weapons and their hi-caps if you're a sport shooter or something. With licenses issued before summer 2017, you get to keep your clips and can continue to purchase more.

>Was he not supposed to have those?
Nah, nobody literally gave a fuck of magazines before NOW.
Fleamarkets, souvenir shops and mil-shops alike were flooded with AK bananas, and owning one did not even rise an eye brow. My no-guns parents-in-law literally bought me some VEPR mags for my B-day once from a gun store, no questions asked.

Now, however, they are ILLEGAL to have without a proper license. Which practically made thousands of people into criminals overnight. Simply because they own a piece of metal that is as dangerous as a steel piggy bank.

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Anybody got any info on gun laws in germany?

>you can get guns too
Jokes on you i'm 3 years too young

For real though what the fuck were they hoping to accomplish by setting the age to 21

tl;dr: shit's fucked

Mag bodies over 10 for rifles and over 20 for handguns are gonna be banned except those bought before July 2017, those have to be registered, but good luck with proving that.

Several new parts need to be registered now, like stripped uppers and lowers, IIRC

Muzzle loaders are off the hook, but deactivated guns are fucked.

Sport shooters are royally fucked, since now they have to proof their 12/18 training sessions per year for 10 years straight.

Hunters get silencers to keep them quiet (lol)

It's 25 in Germany unless you take a psych eval to proof you're not strangling cats when no one's looking

Only for sport shooters though.

t. hunterfag

See, that's the kind of shit that's driving me crazy.
Fooking divisive lawmaker cunts.

Heh that's when sporters and hunters themselves don't make it hard for each other. Try inviting a friend with hunting loicence to a sporter range.

What are you saing here
Only sport shooters need to be 25 or only sport shooters can apply for an evaluation?

Both.
Only sport shooters need to be 25 and only sport shooters can do the evaluation.

Hunters can get everything the second they turn 18.

But why limit sport shooters to 25? Why do they have to be so old?

It's because politicians said: Fuck you, that's why!
Also it's not 25 for all guns. It's basically for everything above .22LR, which is still a metric assload of 'em.

So is it physically impossible to export suppressors from the US or do you need to specifically ask for ITAR-like exemptions from an importer thing to ask from the state department or some shit. My extensive googling has not given me a definitive answer and even the ATF letter that says there's an export ban almost seems to indicate that there is some sort of "proper paperwork".

I'd like some united statesian suppressor stuff like integrally suppressed barrels that are simply not being made in yurop but it seems ballbustingly hard to do so even if it was possible.

>Yes, the current restrictions were implemented by Finnish politicians, but considering that EU has been pushing for a ban on the AK47 it's safe to assume that it had some influence on our laws.
>firearms-united.com/ar15-ak47-ban/

Tried. But didn't. It got shot down.

>fbpb
>I live in Belgium and I'm not even allowed to have a FAL anymore

The semi-auto FAL is perfectly legal under a Model 4 permit (being the standard semi-auto permit) and the full auto FAL requires a collector's permit. This has not changed.
Dieudonné Saive thinks you're a fucking retard.

>I'd like some united statesian suppressor stuff like integrally suppressed barrels that are simply not being made in yurop but it seems ballbustingly hard to do so even if it was possible.

Funny considering half the suppressor innovations come from Europe, from companies like B&T in Switzerland.
You clearly haven't looked hard enough.

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incorrect. You stupid fuck

t. a belgian

>Try inviting a friend with hunting loicence to a sporter range.
what happens then ?

based belgian poster

To all my belgian frens, what should I do?

>buy a S&W 617 for around 700 eurobucks
>buy a B&T apc9, depleting all of my Jow Forums budget, so I can get into PCC compettion
> buy a striborg to get into PCC

stribog

This.

Never seen a Striborg here in Belgistan, actually. If you want cheap, how about a CZ Scorpion EVO 3?

An APC9 is also worth the money imo, but if that's your entire budget, it may be a bit much.

In 2003 some retard 19yo cunt obtained a Glock and a Mossberg pump with a pistol grip with a forged sport shooting certificate. He shot up his school, killing 16 and himself.
Lawmakers used this as a reason to ban

"He's not insured reeee!!"
I wonder how hunters sight in their scopes when away from designated stands lmao.
Oh yeah and my club changed 40% of lanes to be 22 only despite only 3 dudes only using it.

Had an APC9, you'll stay in the 10 at 25 meters in rapid fire using regular ammo. It's a fun gun but only worth it if you plan to buy few but nice guns.

why not a 9mm AR15 ?

or are those non bueno in Belgium ?

Why not join the club but only "shoot as a hunter" ?

Guest shooters are thing, you know.
Costs like 4 bucks per day at my club.

In his infinite wisdom, the RSO told us to fuck off but managed to convince him to let him use a 22 pistol. Inviting guests is hell now.

>Sport shooters are royally fucked, since now they have to proof their 12/18 training sessions per year for 10 years straight.
Wait what? Source?
I just turned 25 and I'm in the process of fixing my paperwork, but I've only been shooting for a little over 5 years, and I've obviously missed some monthly sessions because of uni.

What country ?

Fr

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>why not a 9mm AR15 ?
>or are those non bueno in Belgium ?

Hard to get the american ones, but stuff from euro manufacturers like Hera isn't hard.

The party of freedom and liberties at the EU parliement, which the FN is a part of, is the only party who voted against the EU gun law of 2018. Try harder faggot.

§14 of the new Referentenentwurf says so.
After 10 years of owning a WBK, your club membership is enough.
Missing monthly isn't a big deal as long as you manage to shoot 18 trainings in one year.
Competitions don't count, lol.

>The party of freedom and liberties at the EU parliement, which the FN is a part of, is the only party who voted against the EU gun law of 2018. Try harder faggot.

Not him, and I hate to burst your bubble, but the largest counter voters were ALDE, the liberal & democrat faction of the euro parliament.

only thing that's holding me back on the striborg is the fact that the safety is backward compared to an ar-15, and it'll take at least another year before the A3 version gets imported

oh yeah! there are a multiple people that have those. Dekaise sells those and I believe Cornet too. I wanted to buy the scorpion evo too, but it's kinda expensive (1600 €) in comparison to burgerland. also, it will need to meet minimum length requirements of the new EU directive. Meaning that the scorpion subgun version is too short and the only option is the rifle/carbine version. I don't really like that one desu.

are you belgian? And why did you sell it? I would want to compete in the PCC competition with that one and everyone tells me it's the best option. And i am in fact planning on (mostly) buying nice guns. That and I will have about +-2000 after the summer from my student job. Hear my out, I'll graduate as a master from uni this year but will still do another specialisation. Meaning this is the last time I can earn money without paying taxes as a normal working man. with new restrictions dooming on the horizon I just want to make a irresponsive/fun/YOLO decision and just buy a gun with the money I'll make in august.

Those are not really available like they are in the USA. There's the really old Colt ones, but those use shit, Colt magazines and are unattractive. For the rest the options are really limited. I know there's a TNW ASR available but that doesn't really appeal to me. If I could get some of the affordable or new AR9 here like you guys do I would definitely consider them. But the shit quality AR9s we have here are as expensive/if not more than a scorpion/striborg or B&T (suptracting the cost of the aimpoint and 3 magazines)

Fr, needed money.

Nice afternoon at the range today.
Going to sell all my cat C guns (mandatory registration) except a .22lr and buy only cat D guns (no registration)

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>There's the really old Colt ones, but those use shit, Colt magazines and are unattractive.

Colt mags are good to go, but yes, the guns are unattractive.

>For the rest the options are really limited.

Hera THE9ER is an option.

waiting on my ruger PC9

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but they didn't

Fun fact:
I actually know the guy who sold Robert Steinhäuser the pump action and ammo. He also wanted the 33rnd Glock mags, but they didn't arrive in time. When he asked if they were there yet and they weren't he said: "Oh, no problem. I'll just call again in a couple of days."
The next day he shot 16 people and then himself. The mags apparently arrived a week or two later.
The guy said he was never more happy to hear that one of the guns he sold had malfunctioned than when Steinhäusers Mossberg 590 shit the bed.

>Mag bodies over 10 for rifles and over 20 for handguns are gonna be banned

Ok so if I own a metal box with a spring i have a chance of being arrested?

You‘re going away a looong time

Do you know more details about what actually wasn‘t legal about his WBK?
Vereinbestätigung for the Sachbearbeiter?

>Hera THE9ER is an option.
actually seems like an interesting option! do you happen to know if anyone is selling those in belgium? I've never seen another shooter own one nor do I know of any gunshop selling those.

Just ask any store that's willing to import stuff.
Import from Germany isn't complex, but the local mom & pop store probably won't want to bother due to the paperwork and the fact they need to go to Luik/Liège to get it entered in the central gun register. As this is time intensive, usually stores prefer to do this in bulk, and if you don't import guns regularly, you can't do it in bulk.

>but those use shit, Colt magazines and are unattractive
Colt mags are Uzi mags with an added bolt hold open tab
they work great

the shit reliability meme from 9mm ARs comes from people not knowing what straight blowback is and how bolt weight affects things

cheers for that clarification. But I'm also thinking that the availability of colt mags here is not going to be on par with CZ or B&T mags.

just checked them out. Damn, was hoping for an affordable alternative but they're quite expensive.

how are you liking that hammerli x-esse? I've always liked the way they look but couldn't justify the 300€ difference between that one and my buckmark. While I'm super happy about the performance of my buckmark I don't really care for its looks.

+10 points for the FN FNAR, fucking cool rifle. where are you from btw?

>But I'm also thinking that the availability of colt mags here is not going to be on par with CZ or B&T mags.
just order them from Brownells France/Germany/whatever

ordering mags online in Belgium is a thing of the past

It's a butter knife, not a magazine

>+10 points for the FN FNAR, fucking cool rifle. where are you from btw?

Sweden

I love my Xesse added a barrel weight and it groups really good, what i dont like is the plastic mags and trigger. tho the trigger is good at around 1kg breakpoint

The Xesse here cost around 800Euros and a Ruger Mark4 that i was going to buy was 600euros so i think it was worth it.

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looks like you Belgians waffled yourselves eh ?

Got a link/image? I feel like I misunderstood you.

I thought you said you'd need to prove you've been shooting for 10 years once a month in order to be eligible for a Bedürfnis.

I guess you rather meant after getting a gun I have to prove for 10 years that the Bedürfnis still applies, aka I'm still going shooting 12x/year, right? Which I'd still like a source for, §14 doesn't say shit about that (if I found the right document that is)

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I might buy this once I have bought 7,62x39, plinker and zastava M2010 or some version of G3

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We got reservist exception from eu but traitor commies and pro-eu bastards didn't want to use it to its full extent.
If it was used to full extent there would be easily over 1 million people who could get self loader with normal mags and there would not been almost no difference to previous otherwise

Entwurf eines Dritten Gesetzes zur Änderung des Waffengesetzes und weiterer Vorschriften
(Drittes Waffenrechtsänderungsgesetz – 3. WaffRÄndG)

You have to document your 12/18 trainings for 10 years _after_ you got your last entry on your WBK.
To get the WBK in the first place, it's still one year of 12/18 training.

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France.
Since the new law, Guests have to be pre-approved and their names ran through a special security database, and they are only allowed to use .22 and airguns under strict supervision, by either the range's president or someone mandated by him.

Of course, It's totally for safety reasons and not done specifically to drive people away from the sport and try to stop the spectacular rise in shooting license applications these last few years.

I hope when you say "sell" you actually mean "lose them all in a tragic boating accident."

"losing" guns can land you in prison here, if you want to go that way you have to really perfectly stage a good break-in or you're fucked

Sadly no. He never went into that much detail about it, except that after checking it he received the go ahead and sold them to him.
They tried to get him on that technicality, but he could prove that the Erfurt weapon registration agency (Waffenbehörde, wer auch immer) OK'd it. They actually got BTFO, because Steinhäuser registered it within the required 14 day period, but they failed to take any action.
BTW: The dude can still sell guns to this day.

04:30am bump to bring this through the night

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