Ukraine officers went to Brazil and tested the Super Tucano

It can carry some decent weaponry.

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A Russian is a wild animal that only understands brute force. And more artillery is the right answer for him.

>arty space race
based

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im no expet but im pretty sure russia's answer to the US being good at air superiority is AA.
and this plane may as well be stationary for modern AA arms.
no clue how locking on and tracking works, but im sure it's been ironed out ages ago so yeah it seems futile to try to use these against russia

Shilkas will rip it apart.

Can tucanos be nig rigged to do SEAD?

They will not last and are far too expensive. The spinner on the front does not automatically make it cheaper. Ukraine needs armed drones powered by motorcycle engines that they can afford to lose. Not superprop COIN birds that only cost 1/6th the price of a 4.5+++ air superiority fighter.

>will it have any problems on dealing with vatniks?
The greatest threat to Ukrainian aircraft are their pilots

Thing is, they want it to be funded by the US Govt via FMS.
So they don't really care about money.

If these are running around, big problem

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>In a battlefield such as east Ukraine, will it have any problems on dealing with vatniks?
Yes. Vatniks in east would get SAMs bigger than MANPADs within days if stuff escalated.
Igla wouldn't be the problem, assuming they would buy proper amount modern PGM's to allow operations at higher altitude. The reality is that if Ukrainian AF restarted operations over eastern Ukraine, Russian would supply separatists with something that can reach Super Tucanos. Something that might be bit less capable to down airliners at high altitude than BUK. TOR might fit the bill, vertical reach is about 6km. Not enough for airliner cruising altitudes.

>ukraine

No such thing.

Fuck, those guys had no idea they were even being tracked. That's awful.

They were at very low altitude. They have little to no warning about IR guided MANPADs.

The A2AD bubble from neighborhood and from Crimean is more than Tucanos can handle. At least until another accidental assplosion in munitions depot.

Considering that Russia had no problems sending up to Buk AA, plane is dead weight.
Maybe they either want to get a few for training purposes or use this tests as a bargaining chips to get better deal from some other manufacturer.

They should buy these and start popping SAMs left and right

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That's what I'm thinking. Send over a few aging paddies, have them teach the Ukies to make PRIGs and just put four of them on a big R/C plane.

Ukraine is a fake country, what makes you think they can afford real planes?

It's understandable that aviation is a problem in Ukraine. (Youngest plane is 30 years old, 20 of which it spent with barely any maintenance).. But Super Tucanos?? I thought for the time being Ukrainian air force would simply go on a shopping spree in Eastern Europe, to buy planes from former Warsaw pact, since those guys are in the middle of air force modernization of their own. That's the only realistic solution I can think of

Igla's aren't even that reliable against low flying rotary wing aircraft. Tucano is significantly faster and higher. People seem to think they would be used in low and slow gun runs, but that couldn't be further from the truth. I don't think igla's would pose a serious risk

>aviation is a problem on Ukraine

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Maybe night runs with laser guided bombs would do the trick.

Isn't Ukraine already using TB2 Bayraktar from Turkey?

They can just buy more and use drones.

They should buy some low-quality cheese from Finland. Put it in a big stash in the countryside and wait a few hours; once the Russians start crawling out attracted by the smell you just cover everything in Napalm

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Those """rebels""" have AA, Ukraine is just wasting pilots.

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is this a russian furry jetsexual?

Would they have survived if they flew even closer to the ground? Less distance to fall, less acceleration towards earth

Armed drones seem like a better idea. Ukraine can probably get more military aid to buy more cheap aircraft fairly easily, but they can’t exactly replace trained pilots immediately.

Basically it's a faster attack helicopter that can't hover.
So maybe?

Buk > Super Tucano.

That is what a turbobrainlet who only thinks in sticker price would assume. The reality of eastern bloc hardware, and its cost, is summed up in the Soviet policy of "MiG diplomacy". The American, and overall western approach to controlling hardware it distributes is technical. They just ping a transponder a whoop, it stops working. Thatcher actually threatened to solve the Argentinian problem by nuking Buenos Aires if the French did not give them the "kill codes" to the weapons the Argentines were using. France, already deeply humiliated by the entire fiasco, handed them over with their head already hung low. The Russian solution on the other hand is purely logistic. Turn off the supply of spare parts, and with even the anemic amount of flight training hours and ruggedness of their aircraft, the client airforce is grounded within a quarter. Eastern bloc aircraft are cheap to buy because they're very expensive to keep in the air. Primarily this is due to the fact Russian engines have horrid lifespans.

If they're importing anything from Finland might as well get some of the snow that whispers in finnish.

Don't worry, it's only to fight fake Ukrainians in the East and totally no Russians))))

The problem is your forward velocity vector, you are falling down at a slower speed but still heading into the ground at like 90 mph
If the rotors survive the explosion it's actually safer to have some altitude because you can use the drag on the rotors to perform an autorotation landing.

Cars are mostly in direct contact with the ground, and people still die in car crashes all the time.

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Did you not understand his point? If you're flying at 90 mph really close to the ground and you get hit by a missile, you're still gonna crash at 90mph.

is that the fucking seishou high school logo?

the fact of his matter is that his point is fucking retarded you drooling ape. one is an instantaneous dump of kinetic energy due to 2 cars crashing and bringing each other to an immediate stop, the other is not. the most dangerous part of the fall in a helicopter would be rate of descent.

you would have to be flying so close to the ground that it would put you in too much danger and so the answer to his question is pretty much a no. american helicopter crews sometimes survived multiple helicopter crashes because most of the losses would occur during landing a takeoff.

2 cars crashing each other immediately dump all their kinetic energy into each others frames and force a complete stop. The situation the poster is responding to is clearly talking about what would happen if the airframe did not pancake.

>the most dangerous part of the fall in a helicopter would be rate of descent.
If you still have authority over the pitch angle of the rotor you can slow down the rate of descent in an unpowered helicopter, and to try and land the damaged helicopter the first thing you do is slow down your forward movement.
Rate of descent can be dealt with at altitude, but forward velocity can't be dealt with when flying low
>during landing a takeoff
which kinda reinforces my point because during landing and take off you're not moving forward too fast and the crash becomes survivable because you have little altitude AND little forward velocity
If you're razing the ground at high speed and get tagged, you're gonna hit the dirt before you can even try to do anything to slow down

Flares aren't much use if you don't deploy them at the right time, and not many older helicopters have MAWS to detect IR threats. Most only had RWR

No, you dumbo.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Ukraine

I think they just used it as an excuse to fuck Brazilian whores and drink.

Here's what you dont understand. If you are going 90mph when the helicopter hits the deck, that helicopter is going to tumble end over fucking end and tear the fuck apart, and the occupants will be yeeted out of the careening wreck like empty cans.

You are completely disregarding what happens when that helicopter actually hits the fucking ground.

Aircraft can land without gear

No such thing.

>Aircraft can land without gear
with the appropriate descent rate and on moderately even ground
if you're flying at low altitude at high speed and get tagged, you're still gonna hit the ground in conditions you cannot control and without having the opportunity to find a good place to land

I think you're the retard here buddy.

>Ukrainian air force ceased to exist almost
nah they just stopped flying because Putin pulled in the advanced AA

>first thing you do is slow down
That's incorrect. The first thing you do in a loss of power situation is decrease collective pitch. You have to maintain a specified forward airspeed (every helicopter has a different speed you have to maintain) until about 40ft above the ground. Only then do you start to slow down, and you don't ever want to lose all forward airspeed until the moment before contacting the ground (ideally. Realistically, you're going to maintain some forward airspeed into contacting the ground and slide a bit)

"plausible deniability" will finally be put to rest and NATO will have an excuse to invade.Don't be dumb,vatnik.

No, just an optical Ilyushin

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The tucano is a great plane that would serve most militaries on earth just fine. I believe Ukrainian airspace is too hot to handle fo it.

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+60 groszy

Gophers have been in Donbass since forever.

bASED

Plausible deniability stopped being plausible in 2014.
If NATO wanted to invade, they would have done it years ago.
If Russia wanted to conquer Ukraine, they would have done it years ago.
Nothing will change. There will be no major escalations, and West will pretend to believe whatever bullshit excuses Russians will bother to come up with.
Nobody wants to destroy the status quo, this war is too good for everyone but rebels themselves.

>Nobody wants to destroy the status quo, this war is too good for everyone but rebels themselves
And Ukrainians since they never resolved the issues that led to the mass protest in the first place. The holhol's are probably even worse off then before in terms of the economy

It's good for their leaders because it keeps people focused on an external enemy.

That's after losing 1/3 of their aviation assets in a few weeks.

lel

>flying an aluminum box into a treeline at 150kph

Well the only time a Super Tucano was actually taken down was in Colombia against FARC, which was many years ago.
So i guess it has a good surviveability.

underrated

Would be a terrible idea since Russia has tons of SPAAGs.
The Super Tucano is for cheaply bombing insurgents lacking in AA.

Imagine being this retarded.

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Cope

insightcrime.org/news/analysis/did-the-farc-shoot-down-colombian-war-plane/

this craft will be like the swordfish in ww2. Slow but deadly in the right hands.
also i heard that the USAF isn't testing these anymore because they lost 2 test pilots?

I think it's an ideal solution, the Super T isn't a russian plane OR a civillian airliner so it should be pretty much immune to russian made air defence.
It also provides at long last a cheap and reliable means of delivering CAS to Ukrainian troops in the field, which will probably come as a big relief to the folks who have been stuck in that quagmire of a war for the last five years

They stopped flying because Ukrainians were hovering helicopters so low that one got taken down by a Fagot anti tank guided missile.

Imagine having to tell your commanding officer that you lost a helicopter because you flew too low and got taken from behind by a fagot.

Do igla's require the user to maintain lock?

No.

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Nope. Fire and forget

>I think they just used it as an excuse to fuck Brazilian whores and drink.
Brazilian shemale whores

Russia uses heat seeking missiles. The tunaco has no huge afterburner as a heat source for Russian missiles to lock on to.

any port in a storm

is he ok

Igla can be locked onto the external unit of an air conditioner.

All you need is a bunch of DSKHs and maybe some Zsu 57s and your screwed, If they need to buy cheap they might want to get some saab gripens or daussalt rafales

Tag their current president is trying to and it was putin who armed the rebels pretty much so… I guess it’s like the Sudetenland with the nazis provoking violence through German parties in Czechoslovakia

>Ukraine officers
no such thing

Imagine being THAT mentally debilitated.

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NOT GOING 90 MILES AN HOUR, AND NOT FUCKING HELICOPTERS
THEYRE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE GOING MORE THAN 2 IN ANY DIRECTION
"I actually believe that a helicopter going 90 miles an hour making a belly landing will peacefully slide along dead straight keeping perfectly upright and not suffer a catastrophic failure of existence." t. COMPLETE FUCKING RETARD