Was the past really so much better?

All I'm saying is that you can't claim the past was better because their marriage lasted a long time, not that it wasn't better.

I can't do that, obviously. But if you look at the evolution of divorce there isn't really a way that she could have had a say in them staying together. It wouldn't have been socially acceptable to separate, especially with children in the picture. That and she was extremely young to begin with.

The past wasn't perfect, but at least marriages were built to last. Courting is an exhausting and usually fruitless endeavor if you aren't blessed with chad traits

If this guy was a true pedo he would have ditched her at 18. It was just a different time.

>marriages were built to last
How?

>implying good men don't exist
is revealing. the reason someone cant find good
men is a reflection of themselves

Divorce rates were far lower and people would rather work out problems than file a quick divorce. Women wouldn't get married just to rob men of wealth years down the road.

more freedom doesn't mean better

Let's see
> be in tiny town with barely any people during the Depression
> young man needs to get hitched and start a family but hardly anyone his age
Figure the rest out.

You're a fucking moron. People didn't "work out" their problems. Getting a divorce was simply hard or illegal and everyone stayed in an unhappy marriage and cheated.

> everyone
You sure have a shitty view of relationships

in some aspects sure but in many others no. its just nostalgia. even if you werent alive during whatever era you are thinking of, the past seems comfortable and safe because of its place in our linear timeline and the uncertain future helps that image

>but at least marriages were built to last.
Very true, user. The downside was that you could end up with a woman who didn't really want to be with you, and being wanted by someone is part of the joy of a relationship.

I didn't imply that.

What's that got to do with anything?

>the more rights and privileges women get the more unhappy they get and the more they want traditional gender roles back

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Formerly Chucksville blox

To add, women who wanted a divorce were belittled and sent so a mental ward. Domestic abuse was far more acceptable during these times. It's not like a 9 year old child could consent to marriage to a grown man, she's just a kid.

> you could end up with a woman who didn't really want to be with you,
It isn't that bad.

Paradise lost.

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That was the beta's only hope

I can't argue with that. It's just a difference in opinion on relationships.

You understand that the average woman finds 80% of men completely unattractive right? OkCupid had published a study on it years ago, but they deleted almost all of their "blackpill" studies over this last week so you'll have to find an archive.

Just know that the majority of men will never know what it's like to be in a relationship with a woman who desires them physically. Women are simply far too picky/shallow.

Your first and second paragraphs contradict each other.

Funny, I've heard this "okcupid deleted all their studies last week because of feminist pressure" for over a year now.

No, you haven't. It literally happened in the last week or two because incels kept sharing/reposting the links, and we all know what the media thinks of that.

How so? Women find 80% of men completely undesirable physically.

The deletion happened. We can only speculate about the reasons why.

archive.li/QNCbf
archive.is/489UV

I decided to be generous this one time and do your Google research for you. I don't have an archive link, but this article breaks down the study for normies and hosts some of the charts

yourtango.com/2016285828/women-find-80-percent-men-unattractive-says-crazy-study

>Your first and second paragraphs contradict each other.
t. reading comprehension of a toddler

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I mean nothing is certain, but it's pretty obvious.... Incels are a hot topic now and these studies we're among some of the best proof they had for the "blackpill". Combined with the feminists REEEING about how facts aren't true and other bs and it's little wonder why they were removed.

The real question is why weren't the removed sooner? It's not like these studies encouraged men to buy boosters and other shit OKC likes to sell

Every woman finds a different 80% undesirable. That means any man has 20% of women who find him attractive. So nearly every man will have a relationship with a woman who desires them.

>she had no choice
By the time she was 25 it was the 1960's. She could have easily divorced and found another guy.

Don't you think it would simply create a Streisand effect? That seems to be exactly what happened, so if they were trying to hide the truth they fucked up in a pretty stupid and easily foreseeable way.

Arranged arraigned almost always tune out well unlike hollywood movies. You are just a stupid whore who wants to excuse her whore life style and convince herself her whore life style wasn't a horrible horrible mistake.

>divorce was hard and illegal
Are you just talking out your ass here. Please show proofs.

Wrong again. Very, very wrong.

The 20% that were considered attractive corrolated extremely close with one another...... Far, far closer than they did for men. These studies actually showed that, at least as far as women were concerned, male attractiveness is almost more objective than subjective.

Men have far more diverse views on beauty and what is attractive in a woman than woman do for men.

I am sure that explains why the top 75%-80% of women were competing for the top 15%-20% of men.

You could get a girl when they turned into women and not wait 7 years until they have been in a bunch of relationships and don't know how to make a relationship work.

> false dilemma rhetorical fallacy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
It's not either this scenario or the one you mentioned user. There are other ways.

It was really, really common to be married at age 9-13 in the past. Boys went off to start working as apprentices at ages 9-13, and girls got married off. What are you guys even arguing about ITT?

>false
Its a real dilemma

Thats not a "crazy study", dont be a hypocrite. Men want the top 20% of most attractive women the most too.....thats just how, fucking, attraction works..., people get more and more attracted the more attractive a person is.

In b4 "only women do this". I've posted on Jow Forums before about how deluded the average robot is. What kind of girls do Jow Forums posters open up threads wtih? Girls who are 8/10, 9/10s, 10/10s.....etc....the top 20%....then any girl who is below those looks they skip down to 4/10, 3/10, etc going "ugly girl would not fuck"....wow really makes you think!

Probably, if anybody gave a damn about incels or had the balls to publocally agree. But again, we all know what the media likes to do to anyone who goes against the feminist agenda.

It doesn't say that in the studies. The writeup is very general level and they don't provide data.

She was literally groomed and brainwashed since she was 9 years old you fuckwit
Divorce was less socially acceptable, what choices do you think she had? What career options? She might have had kids by then too. Easier to kill herself than walk away probably.

Incels are less than 0.1% of the population. Even trannies outnumber them. That's why nobody cares.

Yeah, it does. It may be a different study, but I don't even think it was. This was most certainly covered in one of their studies though, of that I am certain.

The difference is that men are far more willing to date down or accept their looks match and be happy with whom they end up with.

Meanwhile most women would rather be a single unit in Chad's harem than have one of the bottom 80% to herself. And Chad is certainly willing to give those lower women a ONS every now and then when they fit his mood.

It all goes back to women being far more shallow and their unwillingness to "settle" for a good man when they can share Chad amongst themselves.

Jesus fucking Christ dude, you are a wealth of misinformation.

I don't have any hard numbers on worldwide incel data, but you know over 25% of males in Japan are virgins when they hit 30 right? Granted their culture is different, but it isn't THAT different.

Unless you rule out anyone who has ever gotten lucky with a drink chick, paid a whore, or received a hand job from a friend, your 1 in a 1000 comment is way off. I would bet in the US it's 5%-10% of men at least, assuming you define incel as someone who hasn't had sex in several months.

>It was in a different study
>I'm not making shit up!
You brainlet incels will believe absolutely anything. Only the bottom 1% of men do not get laid.

Incels lie like jews. Incels try to imply that every virgin is an incel. Just like israelis try to imply every jew is an israeli.

Women were forced to rely on husband for income.

Do you not realize that virgin =/= incel?

Not that user but every other fag in this thread is assuming their marriage was good and so it's suspicious that you only scrutinise his post.

>work out problems
Yeah, no, this guy is right .

My grandpa cheated on my grandmother and would come home drunk so she'd lock the doors and scream at my mother to not open the windows for him. It always ended in someone getting hit.

My grandmother was a genius (literally, she was tested, spoke several languages, could play piano) and she was married to my paternal grandfather who beat her, raped her, and made her do degrading shit like clip his toenails. She only managed to divorce him because she fled to her parents house after he beat my father so bad he was left seizing in his own piss. After that, her siblings berated her for violating the edicts of the Catholic Church.

You have no fucking clue what life was like for women back then.

Not true. Female happiness peaked in the 70s. There are few to no records before 1950.

Yes actually. Believe it or not this is what Americans consider female progress.

>divorce
>easy
>during the 1960s
>with children
My mom got divorced in 2000 and my family still berated her because they're Catholic.

My ex girlfriend's family was from an arranged marriage. The dad lived in Kuwait and the mother in Canada. Her parents fucking loathed each other. The fighting only stopped because they were so physically removed.

>broom and brainwashed.
You've been brainwashed since birth if you believe this shit.
>yes i'm talking out my ass but... let me talk out my ass some more without any proofs

There are other ways, but OP's story seems preferrable. At least a stable home was created

Yes, and if 1% of men die virgins, that means incels number less than 0.1%. Because only a few virgins are incels.

With good reason. You shouldn't be able to divorce a man without consequences. So what if she wouldn't be able to marry chad. Thats her fault for being a whore who couldn't make things work.

>my likely made up anecdotal evidence.
Many arranged marriages work, especially in third world countries and over time the people learn to love each other. Its very common. More common then learning to hate each other. Those two likely never even gave it a shot.

>only 1% of people are virgins
Thats just not true. 10% of the male population are virgins at the age of 25

Care to post some sources rather than talking out your ass? Because I can't find anything on Google. Certainly nothing that says 90% of virgin men are virgins by choice.

>My anecdotal made up story is evidence

>ou have no fucking clue what life was like for women back then.
Neither do you.

Can women do anything right? They can't even shill for being roastie whores

> Because only a few virgins are incels.
No. Almost every virgin is incel.

Actually it's over 15% of men and under 10% of women at 25.

It's over 10% of men and under 5% of women at 30.

At any rate virgin men are undeniably far, far more common than virgin women in the west.

> She was literally groomed and brainwashed since she was 9 years old you fuckwit
Good that today girls are free to choose and are not a subject of brainwashing whatsoever.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming
>I am literally an idiot and I think it's ok for a 9 year old CHILD to be married off to a grown ass man to justify being pedoscum or otherwise a controlling asshole that thinks relationships where both people have equal footing is not something he can handle
literally everyone outside of your shitty board thinks you are human garbage

She could have developed Stockholm syndrome as well.

> what the majority thinks ever matters

And everyone dies at 25 right? Nobody loses their virginity after 25?

> both people have equal footing is not something he can handle
Never ever worked and has no basis in reality.

Everyone is a virgin by choice. Incel means those who lie about it. Only a few virgins think it's not possible for them to get laid.

That is the most retarded thing I have ever read. Incels are angry brainlet neets, volcels in denial.

Every virgin is incel. It isnt voluntarily that society forces you to satisfy high standards for pussy.

>At any rate virgin men are undeniably far, far more common than virgin women in the west.
Why are you lying on a mongolian cave paintings forum? Every statistic and study out there shows the numbers are about the same.

Robots really love their hugbox, huh.

Every virgin is volcel. Some choose to lose it later than others. What's your reason for choosing to still be a virgin?

If you're only arguing to win there is no point in continuing

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> what's your reason
Society put unreasonably high requirements to get pussy. I never consented for such requirements.

These aren't even robots. We've been fucking invaded by r/incels. True robots are not incels, they either have had sex or know it's their own fault.

> hello fellow robots. let me tell you how should you, oh, I mean, we think

>without consequence
Why not? I don't see any moral justification to punish two people for simply not wanting to be together.

>marry chad
My dad was a Chad.

>whore
My mom was raised very religious and has only had two sexual partners in her life, both of whom were her husbands.

>your anecdotes are dumb
>so here's my conjecture

>you make a bunch of dumb, baseless statements
>I give you my contrary opinion
>admittedly, yes, an anecdote
>suddenly you feel the need to scrutinise
If I had told a story about my mom being an evil roastie whore who ruined my life, you'd believe my "anecdote" because you're up to your neck in confirmation bias.

And yeah, I have a better persoective ob what life was like for women because I have a great relationship with all the women in my family and listen to them rather than my gut intuition that "hurrr life would be sweet if Stacey couldn't reject me".

Stockholm isn't real, and honestly, two people who spend a lot of time together often grow tolerant or fond of each other. With that said, it doesn't make the the exploitation of children and her lack of options any less sickening.

Google CDC virgin stats you braindead moron.

Male virgins outnumber women from 3:2 to 2:1 depending on age.

>child grooming is brainwashing
>appeal to majority
>ad hom
>believe in the lie of equality

You don'y know what you are doing. I suggest you lurk more before embarrassing yourself like this again.

What if the man is physically abusive, negligent or runs off with another woman or suddenly comes out as gay and runs off with another man?

There are a lot of legitimate reasons for divorce, for both men and women. My mom left my dad because he is emotionally abusive and has temper tantrums because he gets offended very easily, even if you say something to him that isn't offensive in the least. 19 years later, she's happily married to somebody else.

>Lol you made your story up!

I thought you Alt Right Kekistanis were top tier debaters who always had an intelligent counter to every point.

Not every teenage girl has banged 50 different men, dude. Stop watching so much porn.

Really? What are those requirements? I've never heard of such a thing.

They don't. Why do you make a lie so easily disproved?

>tfw I'm 26, got officially divorced a few days ago
>tfw my boyfriend helped me pick a cute outfit to wear to court, "just to remind that fucker of what he's never going to touch again"

I will give you cheating and even physical abuse. But neglect? Mental abuse? Please. Roastie use the "He didn't pay enough attention to me" or the "He said mean things to me" to divorce rape a man while fucking Chad since they were allowed. It's always bullshit..... And if it isn't you should at least honor your vows and tough it out.

Hurt feelings shouldn't be grounds for divorce.

Yet you have been able to disprove shit whereas I have supplied a source and data.

KYS moronic troll.

> what are those requirements?
Getting a consent from a women who has hundreds of options except me.

> moral justification
Morals is a liberal construct. It is bad for society.