I've got a full proof method of making sure your gf stays loyal r9k

>tell her its your fantasy to see her sleeping with other men
>if she sleeps with someone else...you dump her for cheating

or

>I want you to sleep with other men
>I'm dumping you for sleeping with other men

Don't you see the problem with this?

we would also be free of this true retardation

you just tell her its a fantasy, you don't keep pushing her to do it every day, you just casually mention it once

>I've got a full proof method of making sure your gf stays loyal r9k.
Allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go.

but she wants to please you, you cunt, do you not see the other side of this, especially assuming this were real and the guy actually had this fantasy:
>babe i have a fantasy where i want you to sleep with other guys
>no i'm loyal
later that day on r9k:
>wahh guys my gf won't cater to my sexual needs why are women so selfish?

>full proof
dude are you actually retarded? Is nobody on this board educated at all? I cannot believe no replies have addressed this.
its fool-proof you stupid bitch
thank you jesus, somebody pays attention

is this copy pasta or did you write it yourself on the spot?

you want her to stay loyal because she wants to, not because you want to, you want her to stay loyal regardless of what you want, you don't want her to blindly please you with all your requests, you want her to think with her own head

What the fuck is this? Can someone decipher this turd?

a relationship is not an objective concept that has a contract you have to sign that has been devised by the government
among other things, a key to a healthy relationship is mutual understanding and caring for one another
that is to say, if you woke up one day with your gf taking a shit on you, most people, would freak the fuck out, break up/beat her/call the police etc
however, if you have a scat fetish, most likely you'd see it as an act of care and love, something most people wouldn't understand, but hence you're in a relationship with a person who gets you and is willing to please you, because, get this, they care for you
she's loyal by default, hence her saying "no" initially, but if you express your desire for her to do it, in what world should she still say "no" if your happiness is important to her?

op said "full proff" instead of "foolproof" so user made an entire post which popular sayings and the retarded ways people usually missay them in

if she values your happiness more than exclusivity which is a necessary core concept for all relationships, then you don't want her as a gf and you dodged a bullet

yeah ok so i hope this is just bait for the sake of (you)s because if not you're seriously retarded

you think exclusivity isn't important i take it, do you have a cuck fetish user?

playing mind games isn't very healthy to a monogamous relationship

no
i just view relationships as a personal thing and not some objective truth written in stone
ironic that you said you "want her to think for herself"
i'll entertain your bait because like you i have nothing better to do but just know that even if we're arguing about a thing neither of us cares and is just for the sake of argument you're making a fool of yourself

well let's examine our options shall we

>healthy monogamous relationship
she knows you want exclusivity, but you don't know if she wants it too, obviously she will never admit to wanting to sleep with other guys because she knows that would make you insecure, so she tells you she wants exclusivity as well, so either she wants it too, or she wants it because you want it, and in the latter case she can decide to cheat one day, at which point she has two options, either she tells you about it and possibly ruin the relationship, or more likely she can stay quiet and keep you happy

>mind game
if she wants exclusivity, nothing will ever happen since she won't cheat on you and you wont cheat on her, if she doesn't want exclusivity you will know immediately because she thinks that you would enjoy it, and if she does in fact sleep with someone, she again has two options, either she tells you or she doesn't, but because she thinks that you enjoy her sleeping with other man she will most likely tell you about it

yes, if she doesn't want exclusivity, the mind game option will most likely result in a failed relationship, which is the point, the point is to weed out the girls who don't value exclusivity

Cheaters and soiboys being triggered

you are very pedantic and have absolutely no grasp on human nature, you're the type of person who unironically suggests that socialism can work because you made a little diagram on paper and it seems to "check out" i'd advice you to read some psychology books/studies on what drives humans in relationships for starters
most humans are potential cheaters, as they are potentiap murderers, rapists, sexually deviant in whatever sense of the word and so on, you'll never find a partner who's 100% anything, not to mention that whatever you do find that's as close to that as possible, could be revoked at any moment, hence the "the sweetest most loving, caring and all around adorable human being in the world commited aass shooting, we never seen it coming, how could this be?" cases
or in other words, you can come across a person with all the tell tale signs of being a recipe for disaster and yet they will turn out to be the complete opposite, the most loyal and loving to you anyone as ever been and vice versa, hence judging people as individuals is key, and definitely not based on some retarded formula you contrived in a moment of existential dread
life isn't an anime, kid, you don't get "just according to keikaku" moments

>most humans are potential cheaters
yes, under extraordinary circumstances such as being raped or threatened/extorted into cheating yes, every human is
but in every day normal life its inexcusable regardless of the context, because everything we do in life is a choice not a reflex

you're too knee deep in your hypothetical world, move to Venezuela and enjoy your socialism comrade

i take it you've ran out of arguments then

>but in every day normal life
exactly, so for a mundane situation a mundane outlook is all that's required, therefore if a person displays signs of loyalty probing it with mental games and emotional manipulations is anything but productive, you're her partner not her psychologist, you aren't supposed to dive into the deepest corners of her mind to see what drives her every little move/thought
if she's loyal in botb word and action then you have a good hand, play it right, past this the only thing that will tell if she was "wife material" is time itself, life is about taking risks, and unfortunately not all of them are calculatable, this is one of such risks

wasn't me, this is but it's basically what i said, life isn't a math problem, you can't live it by a formula

and if she wants exclusivity she'll leave you because you're telling her you want something else
great plan genius

This. Loyal women are a fairy tale, they do not exist. Not even Chad is completely safe from their whoring, deceiving trickery.

Your idea is retarded because what someone thinks is the right thing to do and what they actually end up doing are two different things, it's fucking human nature 101. Your gf may very easily refuse your offer for a hypothetical open relationship but then let Chad ride him when she gets the chance, only to rationalize it to herself afterwards, because surely she can't be a bad person who would betray others like that.

>if she's loyal in botb word and action
you don't know that, you can't track her 24/7 and she's free to live her own life even if in a relationship with you

apparently you can, not a single rational argument was given as to why this wouldn't work

this is the most rational argument, but even this breaks apart after you tell her that its your fantasy for her to sleep with other guys, not for you to sleep with other women

this is why you give her a perfect opportunity to rationalize it by telling her that you enjoy her sleeping with other men, which will make her tell you all about it instead of keeping it quiet

>even this breaks apart after you tell her that its your fantasy for her to sleep with other guys
i know plenty of girls that would instantly break up with a cuck if they admitted to it

I know this is kind of off topic but I'm just gonna throw this out there okay.

If a woman you're in a relationship with asks for the relationship to be open or from the get go asks for it to be she's already cheating on you and you should dump her ass on the spot.

Never agree to one unless you love being a cuckold.

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>>meet a girl
How do I do this?
I always sabotage myself with women in some random way

well then she's judgmental and you wouldn't want her as a gf anyway

so your plan equals no gf 100% of the time
okay
cucks aren't a very attractive option and if she's all about exclusivity she won't believe it will work if she believes you need her to get fucked by other men

That's the funniest part. They will cheat on you like nothing but once a guy would want it they will immediately drop him. Why are wamen such hypocrites? Or do they cheat just to hurt the guy so when he's ok that no longer works?

a more rational approach to this would be to agree to it and tell her you think it would be hot seeing her sleep with some other guy, and wait until she tells you about it, which will happen if she actually does cheat on you because she thinks it will turn you on, and only then break up with her, because she might be playing the same game

only if you genuinely believe there are no good women out there, and again, you don't pressure her into doing it, its just a fantasy that you casually mention one time maybe when discussing each other's sexual fantasies

and maybe that fantasy would be enough for her to think you wouldn't be interested in a monogamous relationship?

>females
>monogamous
Literally pick one. They only want the man to be monogamous, they themselves shouldn't be so "oppressed".

if she wants a monogamous relationship all she needs to do is not indulge in the fantasy, its up to her

What do you guys have against open relationships? You get to fuck plenty of womens + having the emotional benefits of having a gf.

it's not that simple though, you expect her to continue on normally knowing the person she's with wants her to get fucked by other men which is both a pathetic and non-monogamous fantasy?
she wouldn't respect you and as i've said she wouldn't believe it would work out

You are actually telling your gf that you
1. Want a less serious relationship
2. Want her to sleep with another man
These two things make it to where your gf is, despite being loyal, PROBABLY WILL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY!!!
It would actually make it more likely for her to break up with you if she IS loyal because she doesnt like cheating, nor does she want it in a partner. In other words, the loyal ones will end up leaving you upon proposal of the idea.

>Implying a girl would want to talk with me if it isn't mandatory
Bruh your flaw is that genetics are shit

Women would only ask for the relationship to be open because you already been replaced by the other man and she's just wanting to see if you're gonna cuck for her or push her ass out the door.

There's no reason to waste time to see if she's cheating since she already just admitted that she wants other men in her life cause you can't give her everything she wants.

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It means, "You're too fucking stupid to understand, so go shit in your hat."

>PROBABLY WILL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY!!!
and tell you about it, which is the point, and when she tells you about it, you dump her
>she doesnt like cheating, nor does she want it in a partner
then all she has to do is not indulge the fantasy and nobody cheats on nobody, its that simple

unless she's smart enough to use it as a test, besides once she tells you she wants an open relationship and you tell her you find the thought of her being with other guys hot, she is most likely to tell you about it straight away, so you shouldn't dump her instantly, you should first tell her you find the idea hot

>this is why you give her a perfect opportunity to rationalize it
You don't get it. Most women think cheating is one of the worst things you could do in a relationship because that's what they constantly hear from everyone and everything around them, and as a result, they instinctively reject the idea of non-monogamous relationships every time it gets brought up. You just can't break an entire lifetime's worth of conditioning by asking someone to entertain some carefully crafted hypothetical scenario for a few minutes.

except there are tons of couples in open relationships out there