This is your brain on religion

This is your brain on religion.

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Some people are idiots. You don't have to blame their spiritual beliefs for not knowing facts about the 20th century.
Atheists are not good at happiness, so there's that.

Peterson is actually dangerous tho. His ignorance trickles down to his idiotic fanbase who just eat up whatever he serves them. I guarantee you most of them will just listen to him say that and not even bother to google nazis atheism and just take it at face value.

Then stop posting threads about him? Idiot

My point is that not calling out people like him is exactly how ignorance gets spread. Ignoring the problem is only gonna make it worse.

>spout a bunch of controversial bullshit
>earn 60k/month

How is this world fair?

>make people smarter by exposing them to idiots
You are very dumb. I'm going to go make my own thread.

>make people smarter by exposing idiots for being idiots

is more like it

also good day to you

do you make people less gay by putting gay people in their face all the time?
no, you do not you fucking queermo
tie a belt around your neck and hang yourself over your door

>do you make people less gay by putting gay people in their face all the time?
are you implying people become more gay by being exposed to gay people you retarded christard?

fuck off to hell you buttfucking bastard

oh boy

and you're one of the good religious retards?

Nazism always appealed to idiots.

>It was anti-church...
...yet the Pope celebrated Hitler's birthday.
>Considered Christianity to be too semitic...
... yet many them were still devout protestants.
>Claimed it was workers movement,
...yet against marxism.
>Promoted egalitarianism and a Volksih kinship,
... yet preached that equality is a false god of communism.
>Was against finance capitalism,
...yet subsidized the biggest arms dealing speculators (Krupp family).
>Claimed they hated imperialist war-mongering,
...yet were constantly invading their neighbors.
>Claimed the kikes are behind communism and socialism,
... while themselves mixing capitalism with socialism.
>Claimed that they are anti-degeneracy
... while having rapists and fetishists as leading SS members.

Why are you on reddit, faggot?
Neck yourself

You are dumb and naive to even imagine that it is fair in any way

> post on Reddit
> get downvoted
> comes and crys to us
Seriously kys

it's from an AMA Jordan Peterson did

he's an insane religious conservative cult leader

Who the fuck cares its still reddit.
Kys 2x

Marxism was an atheist ideology though.

>trolling reddit atheists
Looks like I just got out of a time machine to five years in the past.

>reddit screenshot
Every fucking time. Just fuck off back there and take this garbage with you.

Jordan Peterson doesn't identify as a Christian he says he is agnostic or something. He probably got bullied into saying that by his atheist redditor fanbase after the axiom video he made last year

Communism is in fact antitheist and no I'm not a christfag

>Jordan Peterson doesn't identify as a Christian he says he is agnostic or something
youtube.com/watch?v=RIB05YeMiW8

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He does it on purpose, no one especially someone as eloquent as Peterson can be this stupid.

currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve

Nazism is more areligious(as in independant from it) rather than atheist, that's a big difference.

>peterson
>conservative
those tranny pills really doing a number on your brain ay m8

kill yourself reddit faggot
take a knife from your kitchen and shove it in your chest
just play an irl game of user surgery thanksgiving

>r*ddit
Go back.
Also communism is by definition atheist.
Now fuck off r*dditurd.

That was from last year. In 2018 he claimed he was agnostic in an interview.

I think Peterson really wants to be a Christian because he likes the moral framework, but has the serious problem of knowing that there's no rational basis for being a Christian and therefore no real defense for holding those beliefs. He thinks they're fundamental to Western civilization, and he thinks people need shared values to build a strong society, and that's all he has, arguments from utility, which aren't convincing.

>he's an insane religious conservative cult leader
Lol, where'd you get this from? He's just a philosopher type who gained some popularity. The stuff he says is absolutely tame by most internet standards.

Oh nice a reddit screenshot, really loves these OP keep it up! XD

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"God is with us"

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Religion and your political stance is like your cock.
Sure you can be proud of it but that doesn't mean you'll look cool if you wave it in public.
In other words: this thread is retarded and everyone that posts in it is too.

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dude he has read 600 years of philosophy and also knows the current neruopsych research and is a working psycolgost, and has been for a long time. Maybe you should actually listen to his class lectures and you woulnt say
>spout a bunch ...of bullshit
because it is anything but bullshit. and he earns money because he has made himself competent in his field. something your lazy ass will never understand.

He identified as one last year but he was hammered by hate from his fans for making a few videos about his religious views. So he's now claiming that he isn't religious to keep the patreon money flowing

>The Nazis and Commies were atheist!

It's because they didn't want any religious institutions to threaten their power on the populace. Why is this so hard to understand?

I don't use reddit, so I didn't even think to read the usernames and thought it was just some retarded user poster.

Can you imagine being a JBP cultist? You don't even get any cool conspiracy theories about aliens or anything, you're stuck with postmodern neo-marxists...

Then how is it that western atheist countries do better in virtually any moral metric than the US?

Marxism is definitely anti-religious, that's obvious.

Is there more context about why he said Nazism was anti-religious? It was anti-Christianity (and anti-Judaism obviously), but not really anti-religious as a whole. But I'm no expert I guess.

the nazis actually wanted the exact opposite

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>Shut down churches and persecute priests
Yeah Hitler was a christian
>Rampant anti-religious campaigns, forced conversions and death camps for the religious
Communism totally isn't antitheist at all but very tolerant.
Gen-z was a mistake.

Yeah Britain, Sweden, and Germany are so much better than America am I right reddit?

And also, religion, just like your cock, should not be shoved down your children's throats.

Their standards of living are all higher, so yeah.

Did you reply to me by mistake or misread my post

Every time he opens his mouth about religion is pure bullshit tho.
Sad to see intelligent people can be emotionally attached to such sill ideas.

observed with due diligence

you've been given a super easy out:
> do better in virtually any moral metric than the US
All you have to do is name a meaningful metric in which the USA beats out Western atheistic countries.

Yeah and you shouldn't have shoved atheism down my throat when I was a little kid. My atheist teacher literally did so at school

Freedom in every sense of the word, especially freedom of speech. I could get arrested in most of Europe (including my country) for some things I said on here.

Don't know about britain, but countries like Sweden, Norway, Switzerland and others are better in virtually all moral metrics. Crime rate, teen pregnancies rates, stds, incarceration, and so on.

I'd love for someone to ask Peterson that question. I think the shared values thing is right but they clearly don't have to be religious values. Basically every "defense" of religion I've seen out of Peterson is something the new atheists knocked down like 10 years ago.

>standard of living are better
Muh free college. Free college means nothing when your welfare state taxes it's citizens to pay for immigrant welfare just so they form crime ridden enclaves in cities and launch attacks at people multiple times every year.

>You can't have a welfare state without open borders

???

Yeah I don't agree you should shove atheism down's children's throats easier.
Just talk to them and explain all religions, and they will naturally realise how retarded it is to pick one specific version of it just because that's the tradition you happen to be born in.

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you are a dumbass

their standards of living are objectively higher in every single way

not just education but healthcare, infrastructure, access to basic necessities, etc

>immigrants reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

is not a fucking argument you dunce

They so that in the USA too. There are tons of spics over there who form gangs and smuggle drugs etc. right? And it's even worse because you're only 56% white.

Religion is thought to make people more generous. I'm not religious myself though, so don't call me a butthurt christfag or whatever.

givingusa.org/just-released-giving-usa-special-report-on-giving-to-religion/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Giving_Index

Continuation:

Just so that nobody misrepresents the post, I'm not saying the cause for better conditions is atheism, it just shows that religion is not necessary.

Some religious conservatives follow him like a cult leader

But it's perfectly possible to do it in a secular context, see the effective altruism movement.

>western atheist countries
eh, even Richard fuck Christians dawkins admits we live in a christian value structure.
Pretty much all western boomers at least grew up christian. Just wait as they die off and their atheist kids take charge and see how worse it gets.
Nazis wernt exactly consistent in their beliefs
>AntiChurch radicals included Hitlers Personal Secretary Martin Bormann, Minister for Propaganda Joseph Goebbels, paganist Nazi Philosopher Alfred Rosenberg, and paganist occultist Reichsfuhrer-SS Heinrich Himmler.
>Nazis, such as Hans Kerrl, who served as Hitlers Minister for Church Affairs pushed for Positive Christianity, which was a uniquely Nazi form which rejected its Jewish origins and the Old Testament, and portrayed true Christianity as a fight against Jews.
Now we get into the Marxist style belif that you can remake people though scientific socialism into whatever you want and there is no underlying biology
>Nazism wanted to transform the subjective consciousness of the German people their attitudes, values and mentalities into a single-minded, obedient national community. T
he Nazis believed they would therefore have to replace class, religious and regional allegiances
this is called Gleichschaltung or Nazification
>Persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany followed the Nazi takeover. Hitler moved quickly to eliminate Political Catholicism.
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> Deputy Fuhrer Rudolf Hess issued a decree stating: "No National Socialist may suffer any detriment on the ground that he does not profess any particular faith or confession or on the ground that he does not make any religious profession at all." However, the regime strongly opposed "Godless Communism"and all of Germany's freethinking (freigeist), atheist, and largely left-wing organizations were banned the same year.
Hilter himself was mostly a propaganda stand in and was well know to act like a working class brut in a beer hall and a sophistic among government elites as well as other personas, such as a Christian when around Christians
>thinking you know more then Peterson who has been reading nonstop sense he was 15 while you play video games 3 hours a day.
just sit down, you are embarrassing yourself.

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>and their atheist kids take charge
Boomers have or are retiring. Gen-x never came into their own because they were raised by sjw boomers and the constant flow of economic busts made them nihilists or acelerationists. The current shitshow is purely due to lack of any hands on the wheel so the noisiest millennials get to dictate social trends even with using stale memes from 3 years ago.

So you have to make an argument why limits on speech are immoral.

Christianity is anti- freedom of speech. America's freedom of speech protections come from the constitution, and are at odds with the bible. So it is an odd metric to have chosen.

And here we have another cultist.

>>thinking you know more then Peterson who has been reading nonstop sense he was 15 while you play video games 3 hours a day.

I clearly do, since I don't think the nazis were atheists and he does. One is factually wrong and easily provable. He's also very ignorant when it comes to nazism and history in general(and philosophy)

youtu.be/b8AcmzqFdPM

>but he's been reading for a long time so he's not really stupid he just says stupid things but he doesn't mean it in that way

literal cultist

>Christianity is anti- freedom of speech
Meanwhile, in the real world, the enlightenment and the system of universities came about as a direct result of christian scholasticism where NO topic was taboo, even the existence of God.
Free speech is essential to Christianity and has been for its entire existence. No wonder the authoritarian left wants to do away with it.

Yes of course. But someone asked for a single "moral metric" by which America could be considered better than the less religious western European countries. International comparisons of generosity show the US to be better in that respect (more generous). And it seems that this has something to do with religion.

>eh, even Richard fuck Christians dawkins admits we live in a christian value structure.
>Pretty much all western boomers at least grew up christian. Just wait as they die off and their atheist kids take charge and see how worse it gets.
Certain components of our morality come from a universal phenomenon that is seen in plenty of other cultures, certain religions just take credit for them. The other values more characteristic of the west come from the most part from the enlightenment.

Provide evidence that supports the idea that if atheist kids" take charge "things will get worse".
The evidence shows the opposite.

we highly disagree
He is religious in sort the way Saint Aquinas is.
>there must be something keeping everything in motion in the here and now, otherwise you have a paradox, whatever that is, it is what we call God.
Now Aquinas would go further to say such a thing would be prefect and thus preferably good and etc and deduce a christian like god.
Peterson also is religious in the objects without meaning value structure comes first kind of way, which I wont try to go into here because you need tons of background to understand it, he touchs on this in the The Master and His Emissary: Dr. Iain McGilchrist pod cast

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...Except that you could still be jailed for blasphemy in the UK 40 years ago

What is this real world you speak of? Can I google it or do I just have to take your word on it?

>Free speech is essential to Christianity and has been for its entire existence.
lmao

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law

educate yourself please

>Provide evidence that supports the idea that if atheist kids" take charge "things will get worse".
women are out competing men at every level of school from first grade to phd but society is still transferring more resources from boys education to girls education. This is a disaster, which you can clearly see in the crumbing society if youd open your eyes.
I already proved you wrong here
, maybe you should admit there is a problem with the hard left that should be corrected instead of being a reactionary

You didn't prove anything wrong. You listed some nazi officers who maybe were against Christianity. That's all. Their actions, their entire movement was very much anti-atheist

During the negotiations leading up to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of April 26, 1933 Hitler stated that "Secular schools can never be tolerated" because of their irreligious tendencies.[28] Hitler routinely disregarded this undertaking, and the Reich concordat as a whole and by 1939, all Catholic denominational schools had been disbanded or converted to public facilities.[29]

By 1939, 94.5% of Germans still called themselves Protestant or Catholic, while 3.5% were so-called "Gottglaubigen" (lit. "believers in God") and 1.5% were without faith.[30] According to historian Richard J. Evans, those members of the affiliation gottglaubig "were convinced Nazis who had left their Church at the behest of the Party, which had been trying since the mid-1930s to reduce the influence of Christianity in society".[31] Heinrich Himmler was a strong promoter of the gottglaubig movement and didn't allow atheists into the SS, arguing that their "refusal to acknowledge higher powers" would be a "potential source of indiscipline".[32] Himmler announced to the SS: "We believe in a God Almighty who stands above us; he has created the earth, the Fatherland, and the Volk, and he has sent us the Fuhrer. Any human being who does not believe in God should be considered arrogant, megalomaniacal, and stupid and thus not suited for the SS."[30]

A lot of the moral progress that makes the west more tolerant than sharia law countries comes from the contribution of utilitarians like Mill, Benthan, Sidgwick, often is complete opposition to religious values at the time.
Their predictions have been proven right for the most part. the Predictions of religious-inspired deontologsts have been proven wrong for the most part.

>>Claimed it was workers movement,
>...yet against marxism.
kek, communism killed tens of millions more than nazism ever did and it was all self inflicted
it starved and executed workers by the millions
when will you retards learn?

the argument in this thread
>here is a picture of Hitler in Japanese clothes
>ergo Nazis were samurai and practiced Shinto and Buddhism
.
Everyone knows Nazis were more atheist than Christian in their thought process and approach to society

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>And it seems that this has something to do with religion.
Any cite for that?
Total charity contributions continue to increase in America while the number of religious people (Christianity is a religion) decline.
Last year's Giving USA Special Report: Giving To Religion, showed that while religious people do give more often than non-religious people, that gap disappears when you only look at non-religious charities.
I.E. When you don't count giving money to your local church, religious Americans aren't giving much/any more than non-religious Americans.

I would love to see some better data though.

It's an interesting debate to talk about how many people died from communism/nazism and the degree to which the nazis were theist/atheists.

But honestly, it's pretty irrelevant. It's irrelevant to whether religion is true, and it's irrelevant to whether we need religion today (western atheist countries and their living conditions clearly show you don't need religion).

Hitler also violated the Concordat all the time. You are so simple, it is embarrassing
and I didnt list just some nazis, I listed most of the top political leadership
>mah no true nazi fallacy
just admit you are wrong

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your argument: everyone knows I am right

The word Samurai literally means man of Honor

>Heinrich Himmler was a strong promoter of the gottglaubig movement and didn't allow atheists into the SS, arguing that their "refusal to acknowledge higher powers" would be a "potential source of indiscipline".[32] Himmler announced to the SS: "We believe in a God Almighty who stands above us; he has created the earth, the Fatherland, and the Volk, and he has sent us the Fuhrer. Any human being who does not believe in God should be considered arrogant, megalomaniacal, and stupid and thus not suited for the SS."[30]

>literally didn't allow atheists into the SS
>but they were totally atheists in disguise!

you are the dumbest person in this thread far and away

It was a standard roll of war that chemical weapons not be used but the Allies or these so-called good guys decided that it was acceptable use chemical weapons to kill horses and dogs that were fighting on the front lines of these so-called Axis powers and in response the Axis powers began using chemical weapons as well I'm not sure if you know anything about animals holding prestigious titles and so killing them with chemical weapons was not only a violation of the rules of War it was blasphemy

By the end of the war the entire Nazi High command was compromised by Soviet Insurgency.
How else do you explain the fact of the French army defected to the Nazis when they encounter them in Belgium only to then resist them with extreme prejudice

religion does a ton of local charity that will never show up in any report.
Example: a local church organized after school tutoring for local kids. It is staffed by church members and mostly helps fatherless black kids with their homework, it also provides school supplies and lunches as well. None of this is on a ledger.
and this is just one of 2 dozen programs this church runs and this church is just one of a dozen in my average sized city

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The churches should be in charge of public welfare the government should what's the point of having a government if they don't help the people that's like having a church that doesn't deal with faith

No, Peterson is intentionally being vague so that theists will think he is on their side, while atheists will that he is just "culturally christian". That's why you have an equal amount of fans defend either version of his beliefs.
In many public appearances Peterson has defended the idea of an actual creator of the universe, or literally divine (his conversion with Matt Dillahunty).


>there must be something keeping everything in motion in the here and now, otherwise you have a paradox, whatever that is, it is what we call God.
This is based on an aristotelian conception of causality and motion that today we know is incorrect (see quantum mechanics).

are you retarded? what does literally have to do with anything? Samurai was a warrior class with a written code (mostly romaticisted but thats off topic)

>are ypu reyTded?

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That's all great. It would be even better if these people supported actual policies that help these communities in a more scalable, systematic way. Unfortunately, usually they don't (religious people are much more likely to vote for the GOP).

It would be better if both things were done (charity + support for the best policies).

Atheism is the only way to justify violence

I heard a policeman say that the three branches of government were meant to be the military the church and then the state rather than the state being made of three separate branches and controlling everything and then having church have no power whatsoever even though all the people describe to its teachings and the military being at the back in Call of the state rather than having the authority to make decisions on their own

>By the end of the war

>"During 1933, Hitler banned atheistic and freethinking groups, some examples are the German Freethinkers League (Deutscher Freidenkerbund) and German Monist League (Deutscher Monistenbund)."

>"In Freethinkers Hall, which before the Nazi resurgence was the national headquarters of the German Freethinkers League, the Berlin Protestant church authorities have opened a bureau for advice to the public in church matters. Its chief object is to win back former churchgoers and assist those who have not previously belonged to any religious congregation in obtaining church membership. The German Freethinkers League, which was swept away by the national revolution, was the largest of such organizations in Germany. It had about 500,000 members...", quoted from The New York Times newspaper, titled "ATHEIST HALL CONVERTED.; Berlin Churches Establish Bureau to Win Back Worshipers.", dated May 14, 1933."

>"... We have put an end to denial of God and abuse of religion. ...", Adolf Hitler, October 14, 1933.

"... we were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, ... we have stamped it out.", Adolf Hitler, Berlin, October 24, 1933.

Makes me so mad when I hear about donations going to people who need surgeries or transplant or something because it's just going right into the pockets of the administration who give themselves more bonus whenever there's a surplus

>This is based on an aristotelian conception of causality and motion
yes
>that today we know is incorrect (see quantum mechanics).
wrong
anyways I am not arguing for Aquinas, but just pointing out Peterson's idea of God is likely more abstract than say a bearded old man walking around that looks like a human

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The purpose of the state is to stop people from violating each other's rights and to keep out foreign powers
Anything more requires the state violate people's rights thus defeating its original purpose