Do girls really not care about muscles?

I fell for the muscles meme yet I still can't score with girls. Been lifting for 4 years, this is my last year of college and all my non lifting buddies have girlfriends yet I'm being ignored. What gives?

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maybe youre ugly

It's your shitty personality and closeted homosexuality, not your muscles.

Have you actually tried? Did you work on your social gains? Being Jow Forums helps, this is non-negotiable, but if you're super autistic I'm afraid you won't get a gf. Do you even hang around girls?

This.

I have no social life whatsoever. I fear I may be autistic for real since most people at my college legit don't invite me anywhere.
Nope. Not gay (had sex a few times), and my personality is decent.
so what's the point of lifting then? is a pretty face all that is needed

>so what's the point of lifting then? is a pretty face all that is needed
Man, if thats your attitude about this then fuck off

Go outside and ask a woman out, it's just as hard for every guy no matter how attractive they are. There's no wiggling your way out of this one.

Again, I was told that women like bodybuilders. So what the fuck is the point of lifting if they won't be attracted to me?

You're missing something that isn't muscles. Probably charm.

So that you will feel more confident in yourself which is what women find attractive. Not muscles

Most women don't like bodybuilders. But you'll probably never look like a bodybuilder unless you're literally gay and autistic enough to go that route. Women do like tall men with six packs, delts, biceps, and they actually like glutes and quads more than the media would have you believe. So yeah, keep lifting.

Does this nasty bitch have leg hair? :^(

cuz if you have an ugly face you can make yourself decent by lifting...

tho some people are just hideous to look at and they can be fit

Kek. Social life is literally 75% of getting a girl, absolutely zero joke. You can be a 7/10 facially, decent body, 6'2, but if you legit have no social life/bad social skills, everything falls apart instantly. No joke. Nothing is a bigger turnoff than someone who isn't at least normie-tier at socializing.

I should socialize too, but I've sort of given up. Gonna start going to more student stuff near me though, just to show up, even if I don't talk to people in my same study anymore. Even if I don't talk to anyone, I can still leech social gains and you know, just exist and do shit, even if it is alone. Maybe just doing social shit and having a conversation every now and then makes me more normie, that'd be nice.

So basically I wasted time for nothing? I suffered from depression all my life so the confidence thing is pointless. I have no interest in most dating games also

If you have been lifting for 4 years you should be pretty fit. Go on tinder with shirtless pics. The End.

Who cares what girls think? Get shredded brah

>fat wallet - add 4 points
>handsome face - add 3 points
>personable - add 2 points
>ottermode body - add 1 point
>fat - subtract 3 points
>short - subtract 1 point
>balding - subtract 1 point
>too muscular - subtract 1 point
Its that simple.

>Short - subtract 1 point per inch under 6'3"

I’m one of the last single dudes in my group, but don’t care about getting a gf. My friend’s gfs all try to set me up with girls and it’s getting hard to avoid. They’ll bring girls specifically for me to meet at group events and I just play it off when they try to couple off. They’re always saying “oh you’re such a catch” “why are you single” but just being single because I LIKE being alone is never a good enough answer. Gains goblins, all of them.

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You aren't asking girls out or doing anything social

The point of lifting is to be able to look in the mirror and be happy with what you see. If there are other aspects of life you are unhappy with you can't just ignore them and go to the gym. And if you're unhappy with yourself no woman in the world will change that. Keep lifting, but address everything in your life

So would you say girls would go after an average/below average guy with a good social life vs a handsome bodybuilder with no social life?

I admit I'm pretty awkward IRL and I tried going to bars but most chicks straight up ignore me or don't really give me the time of day. Most are showing up in groups of 4 or 5 and it's almost impossible to get a conversation going. No wingman makes it even harder.

Fuck, how did you get a social life like that? I try to invite people to things yet they straight up ignore me with an "I'm busy" and usually never bother inviting me. I have maybe 3-4 good friends that I talk to on a semiregular basis but they all have girlfriends and don't have time to go out.

>catch
post pic

yes women date/marry lifestyles, nothing else

Lifting bring better physical and mental health.
People are attracted to more fit people as well, not even just in a sexual way but also in just presence as well.
Lifting does NOT fix personality though.
You've basically only done half of the equation, you need to work on the other half you've been ignoring.

Muscles to most women are a bonus. The closest comparison i can make is if you were into a chick and then you found out she had money.

you are probably still dyel
pretty much every girl, even gfs of my buddies, have commented on my muscles or tried to touch them, despite me hiding my power level

Do they care? it's not a deal breaker for most of them. Do they like them? Yes. Every girl likes muscles. even the ones who say they don't. every girl subconsciously is attracted to a fit guy.

My friend group formed in middle school we’re pretty much family at this point. They just drag their gf to whatever group event we’re doing, even trips. Even when I had a gf we would hang out with her friends maybe only 20% of the time and my friends 80%.

>I have no social life whatsoever. I fear I may be autistic for real since most people at my college legit don't invite me anywhere.

Literally 99% of the threads that ask shit like this end up on this statement.
And every time a thread like this is opened there is always one (only one, no more, no less) person who is obviously experienced enough to tell you the following -

It's not your looks
You aren't autistic
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you aren't even remotely ugly
If you have a fit body you are automatically above 60% of the average population that don't care
The one and only real problem is that you are either too shy to try or there is some other trauma that is preventing you from even trying to be social. Your attitude exacerbates the problem because instead of working on the issue at hand, you delusion yourself to think that somehow someway the problem isn't yours, it's not something you can work on and it's something you are born with.

Instead of prolonging an already long chunk of text that makes me want to fucking kill myself for even writing it, I'll wrap this up with the following.

You lift to feel and look better.

>I was told that women like bodybuilders

HHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

Who the FUCK told you that? Gay guys like bodybuilders. Women like men with good personalities, money, good face. Having even a decent enough body is well below those other elements.

>I have no social life whatsoever.
Fucking why did you even make this thread if you knew this?

I'm not really in a place to talk but I lived nearly a decade without a social life and the only time I got female attention was when I was outside and in social situations.

Women like the idea of a romantic, charismatic hunk of muscle who they can feel extra special about while swooning and feeling safe surrounded by big bulging muscles.

They do not go for silent autistic hulks who don't have any friends, who look threatening, and must have something wrong with them.

Is it possible to form this type of friend group near the end of college? Most groups here are ultra tight and don't really let in new members. Or you get labelled as an outsider which sucks ass especially if you try really hard

And if you really really want a gf, then go out and find a fucking gf. Go to bars, socialise, slide in dms, use tinder, fucking do something, don't mope on Jow Forums. Don't mope anywhere.
There is absolutely nothing stopping you from doing it except for your own attitude, which is self-destructive, dumb and wrong. You can bench 200lbs and still never a gf unless you work on your way of thinking

Nah but for reference my tinder matches hover around 1k and I have a relatively high paying job and own my house and several cars.

Dude youre in college. How the fuck do you not just walk into a social life? Didn't you have a roommate in a dorm your first year? Didn't you live on a floor full of guys who were going out to rage 3-4 days a week? It is so fucking simple to tag along at these events, drink to take the edge off and wind up talking to people you click with. You also have classes, FULL of people your age, all who want to meet people and go out and do shit. Did you never BS with anyone in class? Never did group work? Never leave class and just end up walking next to someone and shooting the shit?

I havw bad news for you - it never gets easier to socialize than it is in college.

Yeah we picked up some close friends around that time that we also consider brothers, but maybe not one of the core boys if that makes sense. Just be a straightforward dude with integrity and hopefully you attract the same.

Meet a wingman while you're out. If you can't befriend random drunk men, you'll never attract random women

>Your attitude exacerbates the problem because instead of working on the issue at hand, you delusion yourself to think that somehow someway the problem isn't yours, it's not something you can work on and it's something you are born with.

I would take it a step further and say the entire underlying purpose of yhreads like these are for the OP to make excuses and find a rationalization that allows him to continue not improving himself.

Mfw 6'3

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So I guess I was wrong about everything fml

This is actually 300% true. I won't lie when I'm say I'm a manlet that stands at 5'9" and is a little overweight and I get my fair share of whamen and thots.

you'd be surprised how much your personality gets into people's pants.

From my experience (reasonable amount) being fit will probably add an extra point on your attractiveness scale, but you also have to take into consideration how it will improve your confidence, mental and physical health plus sexual performance.

Being obviously muscled is probably a preference of I'd say 2/3 of women, being huge I'd say 50% and you will actually repel some women

stay vigilant, brother

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>my personality is decent
There it is that's your problem.

Then I'm basically fucked for life. I socialized a bit in my first year, but people straight up here think I'm a weirdo. I'm considering moving once college ends to get a fresh start.

My childhood home is literally 15 minutes away from my college so I still live with my parents. FMLx2

This, saw some manlet chubby soiboi with gyno with a really nice looking gf. Yet he's probably the world to his gf.

Don't go fml, realize you need to change tack and start working on social gains. If you aren't dyel, consider security guard or bouncer work. It's like optimized exp gain for social skills. Just copy and emulate what other bouncers do and you'll pick up a decent facsimile of a confident male persona as well as plenty of experience dealing and not giving a single fuck about scantily clad thots.

Well how can I improve my personality then?

>living with your parents during college

Figured it out. You cucked yourself out of a social life.

Ah, so socializing and partying really is just for the rich and privileged, got it.

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Read this first, I was super autistic, read this, honestly don't remember much of it, but it is a fascinating read. It goes into things like smiling and mirroring- which are concepts you should learn if you want social gains.

Is it possible to come back from this?

:/

If you're OP and that wasn't bait, that post sounded bitter, defeatist, jealous, closed off and made you sound like someone who blamed others.

Even poorfags socialize and party, you're delusional if you think they don't. College parties might seem like the domain of rich snobs but they're not. Not everyone who attends college is rich.

Spare me. Even poorfags can take out student loans to pay for housing in college. It's not financially advisable, but it's definitely socially advisable.

I was raised by a single parent who made 40k with 3 kids and i did it. You don't have to be rich to live in a fucking dorm.

I'll go one step further and give you probably the greatest attribute. Being funny. Yes, as cliche as it sounds and as many times as you've heard women like a guy with a sense of humor, it's actually dead fucking on. One of my best friends in college was an out of shape manlet with a decent fact I'll admit. What he had that made him so attractive was his charm and sense of humor. He was sharp as a tack, had great comic timing and just generally a fun guy to be around. He had no problem talking or getting women's attention and that's the reason why. I literally watched him work his craft everytime we went out.

This. And it's not something you can just figure out and "work at" like OP seems to think. You either have it or you don't. Jokes and timing are spontaneous parts of conversations, not something you practice in front of a mirror.

You definitely can work at being quicker in conversations, but you need to be in conversations to work at it.

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Two thoughts:

1. Being in shape and jacked is good to a point, but eventually you just start looking like an insecure try hard

2. Girls respond to primal cues like calves/forearms/shoulder width that indicate an actual big guy vs. a normal sized guy who just lifts a lot. No amount of lifting can turn a normal guy into a naturally big guy

Tl; dr start doing Crossfit

Girls respond to primal cues such as face and height

You are probably not fun to be around. No amount of lifiting can fix a bland personality.

They all do, if they tell you otherwise; it's a lie. That said though, you need a personality quotient of worth greater than piece of tape.

Wise poster.
Alk these lookism fags have given up. The problem is not physical its your FUCKING attitude and mentality.

>I have no social life whatsoever
Gee, I wonder why you have no girlfriend

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You wholesome ass bitch

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First you gotta be subtle about it, dont wear tryhard tight clothes all the time try to talk about any other hobbies you may have instead of the gym when you are asked about it and put yourself out there, talk to everyone be it guys or girls, its all about making connections.

I'm a biological girl and I love guys with muscles. Aesthetically I think pale skinny guys are better, but I'm attracted to big musclemen. Maybe you're not looking in the right place, OP? What are your interests? How do you approach a girl?

post your biological penis bb

kek. Sluts give me so much more attention now that I lift. I've been at it a whopping 4 months. You're probably A) ugly B) a sperg or C) both

Gooble gobble one of us

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What about pale muscle guys? My gym calls me the Pale God.

the same girl who told me I looked good as I was also told me to keep getting big and to work on my arms more because they were getting juicy

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They like everything. Why would they have to trade one thing for the other?

How though? When I went off to college all I had to do was stay skinny to get attention.

Girls care about leanness over everything. If you're 14%+ bodyfat then you're too fat

What does this mean?? What's the difference between finding someone aesthetic vs being attracted???

They don’t. Looks get their attention face and height mostly, frame and muscles second, but personality keeps them around and an out going/funny guy will steal the show and your girl no matter how big you are.

I'm reading this thread. I feel like OP but a more self aware one.

I've been here all year an haven't hung out with anyone

A funny guy will but only if he is at least very close or more attractive than you facially*

not even co-workers?

I have a weird work environment where no one talks to each other.

As someone from experience, no.

Every friend I made prefers hanging out with their first years. I didn't think I could afford a dorm and now I'm too old for it

I think I'm going to try the same thing. Phenibut helped me with some of those clubs but my memories of how I tried to talk to people and embarrassed myself was too much

I'm good friends with a man who doesn't have any friends, doesn't have social media and basically sits in his apartment all day marinating in depression. Yet he stands 6'2, muscly as fuck (yes even by Jow Forums standards) and has a good face and manages to literally have his pick when it comes to girls. They throw themselves at him, sometimes literally. I know another guy who has an 8/10 face, is skinny fat, horribly insecure and anxious and socially withdrawn yet has 8/10 thots throwing themselves at him almost daily, it's quite astounding. Then there's me who's flirting with being a social outcast yet is 6'2, ottermode and decently handsome. Whenever I go to a house party I almost always bring a girl home.

On the other hand, I have many more friends/acquaintances who are gleefully recognized wherever they go, get 100+ likes on every Instagram photo and yet are rejected by almost every girl they make a move on because they are unattractive physically.

Social status is only a fraction of the equation. It turns out that being big and handsome are far more advantageous when it comes to getting mates than having friends. It also turns out that there's a good amount of evidence showing that women prefer muscular, handsome, progressing men as opposed to your typical Instagram based boy who castrated himself for 1k followers.

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I hope this post is false. I really don't want to face the fact that I'm a social outcast. I don't even have social media because I know nobody more than my dozen exclusively male friends and classmates would even care to follow me. I'm even afraid of getting a gf because once she sees my daily boring life she will leave me for being a loser and not having a well developed social circle to be able to take her to social gatherings.

Same here. I don't have any friends, and neither share any taste of music or anything with anybody.

OP there's a difference between girls and women

Men care more then women so if you love dicks then gainz all dayz

That seems to be the attitude of almost everybody on this board

How is it possible for someone to sit at home and have girls throw themselves at him?
>no friends
>goes to a house party
how?

I feel you. I just don't connect with 99% of people out there. And to everyone commenting about going to house parties and shit, that's not an option. The most I can do is go to a bar or something, but again I don't know anyone there and I have to spend literally hours trying to flirt iwth a girl

I'm at 0, how do I fix it?

>They do not go for silent autistic hulks
Some do
>t.strong silent mountain with a qt gf

because he still needs to take care of himself, and whenever he does girls drool over him, I've seen it. I also never said I didn't have friends, just not many