Daily reminder to avoid the vegan diet...

if you start salivating when you see roadkill and wanting to eat it you're either
A. literally starving
B. have mental health issues

False. Only scavengers would you fucking brainlet

Dorian Yates was never vegan lol

Not getting zeh tschoke.

Not entirely ideal as humans are omnivores and can (and should) eat everything.
Women, transexuals and commies can get away with this as they're from a different species.

How do you explain the lean face? Look at this Vegan doctor Dr Neal Barnard. He only appears very lean and healthy but his face looks like a Auschwitz prisoner and therefore the vegan diet is bad. He needs more fat in his cheeks to get rid of those wrinkles and soften the jaw line. He also needs to lift weights more because that's the only way to be healthy and fit.

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I can attest to this

Humans are frugivores like gorillas. Eating animals is only desirable in desperate times where plants are unavailable (winter time in history). You'll eat anything to survive. We can get by with animal foods at the cost of weight gain and degenerative disease. Cats are carnivores but can eat potatoes. Does this mean a cat is an omnivore? Feed a cat a potato only diet and it gets sick and goes blind. Feed a man a potato diet and he functions just fine. Feed a cat meat only diet and it functions just fine. Feed a man an all meat diet and thyroid function drops, metabolism slows, appetite is reduced, energy is reserved, stimulants generally used for energy due to lack of carbohydrate (bulletproof coffee anyone?), insulin resistance, atherosclerosis, osteoporosis (the keto eskimos had signs of osteoporosis. Not from lack of calcium but high acid load of consuming mostly meat). Sure, the eskimos lived till 60 but at the cost of what kind of quality of life?

cletus pls go

Neal Barnard can barely drag his skinny ass out of the bed. Vegans have zero energy to get anything done in life. Look at this presentation Neal did

youtu.be/h3c_D0s391Q

>heart-healthy cholesterol
yikes

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Is eating boogers carnivore?

I tried vegan diet for 1 year or so. Lost about 40+ IQ points. also made me more sensitive to everything. I don't see how it is 'natural'

>Humans are frugivores

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>Humans are frugivores like gorillas.
Hahahahaha

How can you badmouth meat for high acid load while simultaneously supporting a frugivore diet.

What was a typical day of eating and activity levels during your vegan days?

Its because he is in his 65.

You lose fat face when you age.

The truth if anyone who is 65 and isn't a fat fuck like 99% of Americans would look like him.

You can even see it in Jeff face and Jeff is in his 40's.

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OP is a semenvore

natural

Yeah but I saw some vegans on the internet who ate 500 calories a day from broccoli and they didn't have any energy and looked anorexic. Veganism is bad.

> Vegans have zero energy to get anything done in life

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All IFBB bodybuilders on here
Yes yes, must be the diet. Not the steroids.

You eat 500 calories a day of meat and you will have the exact same thing.

Ofcourse stupid diets are bad.

However, vegans with a healthy diet live longer than meat eaters.

kek

>meat eaters.
By meat eaters you mean people on the standard American/Western diet. Which no-one here is defending.
Great starting point you dishonest shill

>specialist doctors have no energy despite working tenfold harder than me

>specialist doctors working more hours than me in work that requires much more brainpower than me don’t lift so they are unhealthy

Fucking brainlet

You put words in people’s mouths and then call them shills

Wow you are so clever

The statement was about energy user.

>However, vegans with a healthy diet live longer than meat eaters.
What did you mean by meat eaters then? Because it sure as hell doesn't mean people who only eat high quality animal products and offal.

You're just mad because you've realised what you're doing is dishonest.

The Poast was still dumb, user.
It's turtles all the way down.

>log lift world record holder 2009-current

He wasn't even in the top 12 in 2014. In fact, he was never a fucking log lift record holder, because the german record claim was due to using a diffrent log and had no previous records on a technicality.

>Yolanda Presswood
>record holder.
I literally cannot find her in any federation, although vegan sites lift her 'records' as a 62.5kg (137lb) bench and a 128 kg (283lb). At 134lbs bodyweight.

Jennifer Thompson benches 320 at 132 in the IPF and the squat is something 14 years old girls squat these days.

I think the argument is not that "vegans are the fittest" (though endurance sports they do seem to do particularly well, and in older age categories of other sports).

But this notion that being vegan is a barrier to fitness is false.

So you agree meat is the problem yet you probably eat more meat and dairy than the average westerner because it gives you gains. Lol. And you eat more fat on purpose to "support testosterone"

>So you agree meat is the problem
No I don't. Are you illiterate?

I never get hungry. Fat satiates you, unlike carbs and protein alone.

Meat Science: if you become lean without cholesterol your face will have sunken cheeks
what?

Have you ever ate 1700 calories of rice, beans, and some veggies in one meal? Its satiating without fat. Try it out. Eat like a real man who isn't afraid of getting stuffed with "scary" carbohydrate plant foods. Fat isn't satiating. That's why people still have room for sweet carby dessert after their fatty protein steak. They're looking for them carbs because humans are carb eaters.

You've assumed that I eat keto. I don't.

>Eat like a real man
You're larping as a human male, yet we all see that you glow in the dark.

>Fat isn't satiating
Wrong
>fatty protein steak
You really don't know what you're talking about, most people eat fillet, sirloin or rump and cut off the fat if there is any. They don't eat enough fat.

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I wonder how the Chinese farmers who can't afford meat and olive oil survive long lived healthy lives. They pound down the rice because it's so cheap and if they were starving they wouldn't be such hardworking labourers. If only they drank vegetable oil or chomped on cheese or lard they would be healthier. Lol. You only need fat in your diet if you're deathly underweight and have like 1% bodyfat... or you want to survive a famine.

You heard it here first folks. The standard American diet/western diet is unhealthy because they don't eat ENOUGH FAT. LOL. Dude youre just addicted to your bacon and can't let you're inflated ego admit that eating more fruits, starches, and vegetables in relation to animal foods is the answer to better health.

I've been slowly cutting out meat from my diet over the last 6 months and I gotta say I feel a ton better. My lower back doesn't hurt anymore and the mornings are much easier to get out of bed and start my day. Just anecdotal evidence, do whatever works for you all. I used to be a heavy meat eater.

>You heard it here first folks. The standard American diet/western diet is unhealthy because they don't eat ENOUGH FAT
Not what I said either.
You said people are hungry after eating a fatty steak. People don't eat fatty steaks, they choose lean cuts and trim the remaining fat off to boot.

You're deranged and illiterate.

Vegetable oils/fats are bad.

>American Diet
Meats, eggs, and nuts make up 21%.
9%, flour and cereal products are 24%, added fats and oils are 23%, and caloric sweeteners are 14%.

But it's totally the meat's fault specifically.

dairy products make up 9%*

How can you say that a lean face is you'd want to avoid? Do you just enjoy looking like bloated shit?

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Well anybody who knows anything already knows evaporated cane sugar juice, ground wheat, cereals, fruits, potatoes and rice aren't the cause of the big western diseases of diabetes and heart disease and cancer. So its the meat and oils and dairy. The nuts I agree aren't the best and should be limited as they are fatty but at least they're packaged with vitamin E so they're less prone to oxidation. So its fat and animal products primarily (China's incidence of diabetes rose after introducing American fast food chains and people had more money to buy meats and dairy).

Yay high carb, high calotie, low fat vegan!

>Vegan skeleton attempts first troll.

Your Israeli twink is not what vegans look like IRL. As a matter of fact, (((he))) built his muscles when he was carnivore. Just stick to coping with a life under 70 pounds.

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All these vegans have that Auschwitz look lol. They consider this "healthy" though, they don't consider this debunks veganism.

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>cane sugar juice, ground wheat, cereals, fruits, potatoes and rice aren't the cause of the big western diseases of diabetes
Things that reduce to glucose, aren't responsible for insulin resistance?
Vegans have really memed themselves into thinking meat causes diabetes.

Not all fats are equal. Polyunsaturated fats are more liable to oxidation because of the double bonds. This can't occur with saturated fats as there's no double bond.

You're bending over backwards to blame meat instead of of oils. China ate plenty of meat and offal before muh McDonalds. Also why conflate processed food with all meat?

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Shut up meatcuck. Surely this meme is dead by now? You only have to look and know that going vegan isn't actually that big a deal.

That girl in your pic is probably sick and tired because she eats large plates of raw vegetables and gets like 400 calories per day. Eat 3000+ calories per day from fruit and starches and energy is through the roof.

Should I turn vegan for a cut?

>going vegan isn't actually that big a deal.

If you consider, going insane and losing your teeth, to be "no big deal" then yes.

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Bra even your top vegan enforcers, the top long-term vegans with all the answers, still look like walking corpses. Nothing you SAY can change REALITY.

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Fucking kek

Pretty good imo, usually shown to live the longest on average. Make sure you eat fish.

Insulin resistance is caused from intromyocellular lipids (FAT) that interfere with mitochondrial function and insulin effectiveness. The keto diet for instance causes insulin resistance but this is a protective adaptation. The brain requires glucose so insulin sensitivity is downregulated to preserve glucose in the blood stream and be made available for the brain. Dr Kempner has treated T2D on a diet of rice, fruit, table sugar, and juice. Its the fat that causes the problem. Eating carbs just illuminates the problem existing. Even Dr Ray Peat who supports saturated fat over polyunsaturates like you acknowledges that sugar isn't the cause of diabetes. People get high blood sugar from donuts and pizza because they're eating carbs in a food that's 50%+ calories coming from fat.

It's almost as if it's possible to be healthy and skinny at the same time. Not everyone who's skinny is anorexic and starving their teeth and hair out

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Nice emergency google.
>Insulin resistance is caused from intromyocellular lipids (FAT).
This isn't fat from the diet though. It's from adipose tissue.

Its much easier to become obese by having bacon and cheese in your diet than it is eat a diet based on bread and bananas. Be realistic man, people aren't getting massive by eating carbohydrates or drinking soda with sugar. Its from the large amounts of FAT.

>people aren't getting massive by eating carbohydrates or drinking soda with sugar
That's where you're wrong bucko

>people aren't getting massive by eating carbohydrates or drinking soda with sugar
Funnily enough this is exactly what bodybuilders are doing by spiking their insulin.

>posts a photo of a top athlete millionaire
>unachievable status to 99.9999999999% of humans on earth

(you're good at using insulting patronizing argument techniques, go with it!)

Let's just be clear, you and I disagree on the meaning of the term "healthy"

You consider these people, all vegans, to be robust, HEALTHY vegans, which prove your diet "works"

youtube.com/watch?v=EFF30jfTubU
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Be a little bit more honest and embrace these 'healthy' people as representatives of your diet, I'll do the same for Dr. Baker, Milkjar, Sverige and Tufano, all my bros. I consider them to be healthy like I want to be.

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That's where you're retarded bucko. Its much easier for the body to store dietary fat as fat than it is to store carbohydrates as fat. It's common sense. Even a child could determine that eating the fat of an animal would be more conducive to fat on your body than it would be to consume some wheat or sugarcane.

IFBB level bodybuilders inject insulin and use high doses of steroids. Protein is even more insulogenic than carbs are. Carbs are just super important for recovery and energy levels.

Lol "Dr" Baker is a quack that got kicked out from practicing medicine has shitty bloodwork and fruit "makes his back hurt" (he said so on Joe Rogan podcast). The guy isn't healthy

>It's common sense.
Doesn't make it true though. It's why all these Fat-Free meme drinks and foods exist.

>Even a child could determine that eating the fat of an animal would be more conducive to fat on your body than it would be to consume some wheat or sugarcane.
The child doesn't know that every single cell membrane in the body is made from fat. Not all of it goes to adipose tissue immediately. Furthermore without triggering as much of an insulin response in the first place this fat won't be stored to the sane degree.

>Protein is even more insulogenic than carbs are
This simply isn't true.

The guy is a meme, he eats only steak and claims to be on a carnivore diet. Like hunters would kill an animal for one cut of meat and ditch the rest.

I'll follow Dr. Baker and you follow that vegan stalwart goji man.

There would be no argument whatsoever, except for----

1. Vegans dumping the movement in droves and confessing how amazingly sick they were.
!a. Vegans look like toothless walking zombies/
2. Vegans actually having political/financial power and taking my food away.

Please make a list of the most important people at the top of this movement. Make things easy for a brother??

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Why does a healthy life require a deep scientific inquiry about how everything works? I read deep into shit too but fuck man. There's scientifically ignorant folks all over the world who live long healthy lives without disease and obesity and they eat fruits and sugar all the time and don't eat dairy and very minimal if any animal products. It tastes good for a reason.. we're supposed to be eating it because we are carbohydrate eaters by nature. Our brains and muscles and liver and thyroid and testes all run on glucose and fructose. Sweet tastes so good because It's a positive reinforcement evolutionary trait that makes us seek out fruit because it's our energy source. Fruits also want to be eaten because it facilitates the spreading of their seeds through our feces or dropping it elsewhere. Animals don't want to be eaten. Children don't have urges to eat animals they see in nature, only after being indoctrinated they do. They certainly love fruit though with its bright fun colors and sweet taste.

>There's scientifically ignorant folks all over the world who live long healthy lives without disease and obesity and they eat fruits and sugar all the time and don't eat dairy and very minimal if any animal products.

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You think that guy in your picture lives on a high carb low fat plant based diet? You're a special kind of stupid. I thought vegans were skinny?

>we are carbohydrate eaters by nature
This isn't true. The agricultural revolution is only 2000 years old. Fruits only grew at certain times of the year until recently. Further to this most fruits are entirely unrecognisable from how they existed as wild, lots don't even have seeds anymore due to genetic selection/engineering.

Before then humans would hunt and eat wild plants depending on what's available according to the season. (I hate the monoculture of food we have btw and I'm sure you do too)

Your diet is entirely hinged on modern technology. You don't get to make any naturalistic claims regarding children and fruit.

Is me, samefagging. I'm going to sleep shortly (Bong wagie), thanks for engaging with me.
I hope I gave you something to think about

The people who live the longest in the world are a bunch of American Vegans i.e. Seven Day Adventist.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4191896/

Meat eaters will die early.

Meat eaters are really a stupid bunch of people. You can show them a bunch of evidence, but they won't look at it because eating meat is nice.

Meat eaters will rather have mouth pleasure over health.

Can't believe I'm here to witness the first human to hit negative IQ points

You ever go to the tropics where there is fruit and grains are available all year round? We're tropical creatures. That's why we wear clothes and live in heated houses during the winter. Were designed to be in the heat. Without modern technology people did have to sacrifice animals to survive harsh climates. But we don't have to do that anymore when fruits and grains are available all year round. Its like the tropics everywhere in western society except it's cold outside and less sunlight. Killing animals is a desperate move for desperate times. Given the option in a plentiful ecosystem a human would choose to eat plants than to spend energy creating weapons and hunting down animals... that only happens when times are hard and survival is at stake

>vegan thinks he's clever

lolol bro. Funny yes, clever ?? LOL

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>Meat eaters will die early.

See pic

>Meat eaters are really a stupid bunch of people. You can show them a bunch of evidence

>VEGAN EVIDENCE!!! FUCKING LOL HERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE!!!!

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This isn't what this shows. It shows pesco vegetarians have a lower mortality rate than vegans.
Nor does it have any more information on the diets, the lower mortality rate could simply be caused by calorie restriction. (Which I've heard good things about)

You have no grasp on evolution, biology or anthropology. Humans are warm blooded, not cold blooded. We're not "designed" to be in heat.

>Spend energy creating weapons and hunting down animal
No, humans would wait while the animals convert the sun's energy into food via plants. This is more energy efficient than gathering. Herbivores can turn food humans can't digest into food they can.

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>gorillas spend 8 hours a day gorging their mouths with food
>humans spend 2 hours at the very most (most of the time socialising

Great Apes hunt and eat meat, they eat tons and tons of bugs and insects (not vegan, insects are just small animals) and Gorillas also eat their own poop.

So once again, vegans are holding up a carnivore, to promote veganism.

But vegans will come around to the 'eating their own poop' method. That or starve to death, we'll see what the vegans do

Being cold blooded has nothing to do with being "designed for heat". All mammals are warm blooded you retard

Gorillas also have cellulase and are actually capable of getting protein from grass. Humans can get barely any protein from plants

I mean heroin gives me a really nice and rewarding feeling
Must just be muh biology rewarding me for picking such a nice and healthy substance

... so should I turn vegan for a good cut to finally get rid of that pesky face fat?

Wow you're stupid. I put "designed" in quotes because it was a dumb thing to say. Take your gripes up with the other guy.

I didn't say mammals weren't warm blooded, I bet you glow in the dark too.

Except sugar is an actual nutrient lmao