This is what you can expect to look like as a natural bodybuilder after 15 years of lifting...

This is what you can expect to look like as a natural bodybuilder after 15 years of lifting, with perfect training and perfect nutrition.

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fucking lmao

glad i hopped on the sauce at 18

seriously, roids are 90% of gains. Matties just get fat or lose muscle past noobie gains

>jeff cavaliere

If you actually think Jeff Cavaliere maintains the level of bodyfat he has year round, decade round, especially while maintaining muscle fullness everyday, year round, all natty....yeah, you're dumb.

He looks good as hell by normie standards. If I could look like that and still pull 500, OHP bw and do a lot of pull ups I'd be perfectly happy.

I think he looks great. That's my goal bod now.

I'm not that distant from him and it's 5 years I'm not doing anything. Either he's 7 feet tall or get the fuck out of here you miniballed bald deep voiced roid

>natty

This is Matt Ogus, Eric Helms (the man in the OP image) does his programming and nutrition for.

Now you can see that Matt Ogus is officially not natural.

Just here to Black Pill the fuck out of Jow Forums, because Jow Forums is fucking delusional about what the TRUE natural limit looks like.

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It just depends on the angle brah. Only steroid users look good from all angles.
Anyway, there are other reasons to lift aside from just looks.

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Evidence # 2

Ryan Doris, this is another client of Eric Helms, Eric Helms has been doing this Black Man's nutrition and training programming as well.

Ryan Doris, another DRUGGED lifter who claims natural.

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>Now you can see that Matt Ogus is officially not natural.
Didn't we always know this already? His 3d delts are glaringly obvious.
It seems everyone's expectations are ludicrously blown out of proportion from steroid users who lie about it to sell programs.

>posts off season Helms to prove a point
kys roid shill

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haha i think youre just jealous bro, only big guys like this are on steroids, you can easily get a youtube-fitness guy body within 1-2 years max

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No offense Matt but you're not fooling anyone.

Jesus that tattoo is Fucking terrrible

Is that supposed to be a bad thing? He looks like someone at peak health.

>18 years old

Unironically this.

He's also fairly strong, 2/3/4/5 iirc

If you want to have children like I do, using steroids is not a valid choice.

I'm Natty and I don't think I look to bad 5'9 200lbs

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Jeff his super autistic about his diet and he’s a man that practices what he preaches, as a licensed physical therapist and personal trainer.
Cope harder pussy ngmi

Cut and you'll look 10/10, lad.

>Matties

>Jeff his super autistic about his diet and he’s a man that practices what he preaches, as a licensed physical therapist and personal trainer.
>Cope harder pussy ngmi

I envy this guy, hes still in the blissful ignorance stage of life, man I miss that time, unfortunately once you leave it, you can't go back.

this

and its not like it took him 15 years to look like that

realistically you can achieve that in 3-4 if you clean bulk with enough kcal

Eric Helms also did a cycle of superdrol about 10 years ago, he has spoken about that, would link if I can find the video, so yeah hes not entirely 100% natural, he has taken PEDs

>8-10% bf
>He's 5'7 and weighs 89kg
Sure buddy he eats clen trens hard anavar gives up

He's most likely still on gear if you come off you lose all the gains

I'm natty and I've been lifting for 7 years

(dont mind my shitty abs, im in a middle of bulking)

Sometimes I feel like im wasting my life away by taking lifting so seriously desu

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>Sometimes I feel like im wasting my life away by taking lifting so seriously desu
keep it lean, do what you enjoy, and enjoy life my man

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Cope thread

Not the other dude but your cliche puns are gay as fuck to be honest family

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How seriously are you taking it?

There's legitimately no point lifting more than 3 days per week as a natural.

The difference for a natural on Full Body 3 days per week vs PPLPPL 6 days per week is so fucking negligible, the extra 3 days spent on a PPL could goto so much better use.

Niggers going 6 days per week on PPL actually think they're getting double the gains or something, when in reality they're getting the same, and in some cases, even less, if they aren't progressing on the weight, which is hard to do on PPL due to the lack of recovery days.

Continuing to cope lmfao yikes. Both lost causes

why even lift natty? what's the point?

arnold has been going strong for like 65 years and seems like he doesn't have any issues

My grandfather just died last year at 96.

Wonder if Arnold will make it that far.

how much do you weigh/how tall are toy? i'm currently in the middle of cutting for the first time in my life. Im 5"11 and sitting at 192 right now, not sure how much more i have to lose. i just want an idea of what i can expect to look like with visible abs.

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Cool then don't lift baby while me and the rest of the boys have a great time you fag

I always shake my head when people use Arnold as a proof that roiding does not cause health issues

Arnold is a fucking millionare, and probably has a whole team of doctors behind him, he is not your regular 9 to 5 wagecuck pleb

probably, seems like he's still got it

>arnold has been going strong for like 65 years and seems like he doesn't have any issues

Hes had like 4 open heart surgery's lmao.

Cut and you’ll look 5’9”/10

how retarded are you at life if you have a body like a roider and can't make it to at least six figures by abusing the halo effect

>He was born with a heart defect called aortic stenosis, which causes the heart to pump harder than usual to get blood through the aortic valve. The method the doctors used to fix his aortic valve in the 90s was called a Ross procedure, where you take the person’s native pulmonic valve, move it to the aortic position and then replace the missing pulmonic valve with a cadaver (deceased person’s) valve.

damn those roids really got him

>lifting to increase your height

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I thought I remembered seeing he was something like 5'10 and ~170 lbs

he'a off season and still looks good. What's your point?

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Thanks broski, I just enjoy gyming too much to take it moderately

I'm on a 5 day monday to friday pplpp (yes I work legs only once a week cause im a fag)

The thing is that i love going to the gym, but I know its fucking up my social life

I'm 5'9 (yeah im a manlet) and about 168 lbs, I can get down to 150-155 lbs with pretty good six pack definition, vains etc

Teach me your ways master

bullshit cunt, i've been lifting 3 years and am marginally bigger than that, and I have LOW testosterone.

im wondering if i can get to the 170s, my abs are starting to show, but they're not so clearly defined yet

I think it all depends on your genetics thb

>find rich 6/10 (go lower if you can but jesus how can you be rich and ugly?)
>date her, if you can finagle it, don't be official
>meet family
>impress whichever one is actually wealthy
>research what he does, just enough to bullshit
>claim you could work X job, invent excuse for being underemployed, tell him you were thinking about applying but don't ask for recommendation
>apply, or if you did it right, be set up with an interview
>casually follow up after dinner

If you want to waste a lot more time you can marry and divorce her but be ready to move because the fallout will suck. Also puts a damper on achieving fame later in life, but LBR if you can't figure out how to get rich with a roider body you're never gonna make it anyway.

You're legitimately disabled if you think this is even difficult. You can do it as a neverlift if you just play to people's interests.

the point is for X family member to be more excited about having you in the family than they are about their daughter

the uglier the better

oh fuck my sides

wrong

Yeah, he’d probably have died 20 years ago if he was on the kind of healthcare most plebs are.

Mirin. I think I have pretty similar body shape and insertions. Just out of curiosity, what's your diet like? Also routine?

>Implying
Nigga isn't on healthcare.
That's for the slave class.

He has a personal fucking doctor and has multiple specialists looking out for him 24/7/365.
He pays for all of this out of pocket and by being Shwarzenegger. Have any idea of how much business the guy who is taking care of Shwarzenegger is getting?

>This is 1 year of natty lifting
Guess I just lift harder than everybody else huh

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shoo shoo

you're leaner than off season Helms then but you're not heavier than him also lightning and posing make a big change take a look at the video, leanness plus good posing and lightning? that's the whole aesthetic game right there

Isn't it funny how Hollywood gave all you faggots body dysmorphia to match instathots' meme workouts and butt fixations? The older action heroes pre Arnie all looked fine and masculine and this dude looks good too, but your inferiority complex and bigorexia means you're going to alter your body with damaging substances to cope.

>b-but having 5x the normal amount of circulating testosterone i-is fine
Yeah ok.

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>fag pic instead of fake natty pic or girls laughing pic
>types vigorexia wrong
>avoids broscience cringe lines
>uses Jow Forums shit tier leftist propaganda out of it's shithole
2/10 trolls back in the day did really try harder son

i look 10 times better, and i am only 20 y/o

Jeff isn't even huge, and not everyone is a fucking food cuck.

>As a natural you should only workout for health and to not become fat.
>You will see almost no difference in your psyhique no matter what you do.

Looks great, and healthy.

>15 years of lifting, perfect training and perfect nutrition
you can look like that in less than two years, especially with 'perfect training' and 'perfect nutrition'

>roider
>born with a heart defect
Where have I heard this before? Only a fool wouldn't realize the roids caused this and he just tells the public he was "born with it."

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He looks great man
Mind it's no flex no pump off season
Anything past that is realistically body dysmorphia

You're right.
But he's right about media fucking up men as well.

user...
Dude is on trt at least.

>the natty limit

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How long lifting did this take? I'll settle on this as my goal body and then try to reduce body fat

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jeff probably just on some trt shits to keep his test at a good level, doubt he'd have test higher than the natural limit though

off cycle*

It's the steroids, wake up. He has no heart defect, it's all bs.

Lookin thicc. Routine?

And twink genetics

>tons of roiders die early and or have a shit ton of health and hormonal problems
>a millionaire roider makes it to 65 with some heart surgeries

>roids are perfectly healthy guys!!

You literally don't need anything other than ottermode or maybe ottermode++ bulked to mog 99% of normies.

Is this their band name?

He has love handles. I've lifted for less than two years and have an ottermode six-pack. Genetics brah.

>black pill
>google search: matt ogus steroids
>there's literally a fucking video of him admitting he's done steroids
yeah, this black pill meme needs to die and be forgotten.

not anyone in this thread but why did you save this image as "Jay Cutler Eating Wendy's," when he's eating KFC?

Jeff could be natty if he was 25. The reality is anyone in fitness past 30 is on some kind of TRT. He's probably just on a "natural" level of it.

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he needs to stop skipping calf day

probably same reason why it says Jay Cutler instead of Lee Priest

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dude on the right probably is on frogtech, so not natty

you're just more of a manlet than anyone else

I've eaten like shit and haven't trained 15 years. I haven't spent a day training aesthetics either.

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>I haven't spent a day training aesthetics either.
It shows. Your arms look disproportionately small to the rest of your body.

>natural
LMAO OP you're so fucking dumb

Let me guess, SS+gomad?

>lifting 7 years for this
Lmao, you look like a skinnyfat teen, what the actual fuck lad.
Horrible genetics, my condolences.

You're small as fuck, who are you trying to fool.
>manlet
>no chest mass
>small arm even though flexed
>abs barely there
Now post front shot without posing/flexing to prove me right.