Reminder that squats and deadlifts are the ultimate beta narrow shouldered gymcel exercise...

>heavy compounds
>bodybuilders
yeah, maybe those that you find in vials you fucking retard

daily reminder that the only exercisesa you need to look good are fucking burpees and pullups, everything else is a fucking waste of time for looking good.

>The overhead press and the bench press are THE most alpha,masculine,dominant exercises
Change that for OHP and pull-ups andyou're correct.

Only if you tape at least 4 wheels on your legs.

What do you think OHP stands for.

Reminder that none of the classic old school weightlifters and bodybuilders ever followed a shitty rigid 3x5 program forever.
Reminder that if you just lift a lot of weight and try to lift more over time you get bigger and stronger.
Here's all the lifts a novice should do
>chest
Flat bench, incline bench, dips
>shoulders
Strict press, lateral raises
>upper back
BB rows, DB rows, pullups
>arms
Cgbp, curls, tri ext.s
>hinge
A deadlift pattern movement - conventional, sumo, Romanian, power/hang clean
>squat
A squat pattern movement - back squat, front squat, goblet squat, split squat, lunges
>loaded carry
A loaded carry movement - farmer's walk, sled drags, prowler pushes, sandbag carries
For the upper body categories, do all of the lifts at least once pee week.
For the lower body lifts, do one from each category per day.
Literally lift whatever sets / reps you like. Easiest way is to decide on how many reps you want to hit for a top set, and keep working up until that's all you get in a set, then either stay at the same weight or do backoff sets.
Also, only fat powerlifters think doing one set of fahve then sitting still for 3-5 mins counts as "working out". Rest periods are when you should be doing other movements. Either superset with bodyweight stuff, or with isolations, or use the rest periods for the current lift to warm up for the next one e.g. benching now then squatting after, superset your bench with progressively heavier goblet squats so you will be warmed and ready to squat as soon as you're done benching.
Simple.

oh wow, i didn't get my goal body off a beginner program called STARTING STRENGTH???

what well i am SHOCKED i'll tell you what SHOCKED

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>only shows shit gene manlets
post body (you wont)

>gymcel
A what now

you're a retard
SS just like other strengthcopeshit programs have been recommended on this shit board for a decade under the guise that it would be optimal for building muscle as a beginner
it's all lies, so stop defending this shit dumbass

It's optimal for building a strenght base as quickly as possible so you can start specialising in whatever you want to do with your body. You are not going to get jacked in 4 months no matter what training you do.

>under the guise that it would be optimal for building muscle as a beginner
are you implying that none of the people who do starting strength build muscle? Because even if you're cutting it builds muscle as an absolute beginner.

but i know this is a shitposting thread so whatev

>are you implying that none of the people who do starting strength build muscle?
on their legs? no
but they still look like shit, because SS and other strength shit programs are a waste of time and incredibly imbalanced and lower body heavy
legs will always outpace the upper body on such shit programs.
just look at their bodies, they all have big thighs and tiny arms and 0 muscle separation on their pecs/arms/delts, that's a shit end result and doesn't look good, it's suboptimal at best.
>strength base
more buzzwords, great
here's some newsflash, "strength base" is fucking irrelevant, you can deadlift 5 plates and squat 4 and still look like utter shit because there's more to strength development in the big 3 than muscle growth.
>You are not going to get jacked in 4 months no matter what training you do.
In order to even make any noticeable "strength" progress on SS or any other off shoot is to "bulk" aka get fat, the end result is always worse than the baseline.

you can greatly improve on SS by reducing the ammount of volume you're doing on the lower body specifically on squats and increasing volume and frequency of everything else, but that's not SS so it doesn't matter.
That and the absurd weight gain recommendations and requirements of SS are just fucking dumb for natties, people will always get obese on those kinds of "bulks" unless they have absolutely elite genetics.

>i'm not at my goal body in under 3 months clearly this is the program's fault

>you can greatly improve on SS by reducing the ammount of volume you're doing on the lower body specifically on squats and increasing volume and frequency of everything else
NIGGER IT'S JUST 3X5 ON EVERYTHING HOW IS THAT TOO MUCH VOLUME

>That and the absurd weight gain recommendations and requirements of SS
getting fat isn't a requirement, if you're overweight and still decide to bulk that's your own fault.

>people will always get obese on those kinds of "bulks" unless they have absolutely elite genetics.
oh yeah i forgot about those bulks that DON'T make you fat

retard

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TIME TO DIE! *TRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR*

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>NIGGER IT'S JUST 3X5 ON EVERYTHING HOW IS THAT TOO MUCH VOLUME
it's not, dumbass, but 3x5 3x a week on fucking squats? that's too much for the lower body you dumb fucking nigger specially considering your upper body needs more work in order to respond, you walk with your legs not with your arms dumbass.
I specifically mentioned increasing volume and frequency on everything except squats didn't I?
Stop wasting our time and read properly before sperging your little shit post.
>getting fat isn't a requirement, if you're overweight and still decide to bulk that's your own fault.
Look at the average victim of SS and rippletits' teachings, they all get fat, all of them, and if they don't they're not doing the program.
Go to his forums and see what he recommends, if you're not gaining 5lb a month on SS according to rip you're basically wasting your time, take that as you will.
>oh yeah i forgot about those bulks that DON'T make you fat
yeah, the ones that don't require you to gain a set ammount of weight in the first 6 months of lifting in order to please a fat roidfag boomer online who larps as a strength coach

Imagine thinking starting strength would do anything but build foundations for lifting properly.

hahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha

>implying 45 reps of squats per week is too much
hahahahahahaha

>Look at the average victim of SS and rippletits' teachings
we're not though, we're looking at cherrypicked photos to try and suggest that SS is a meme even though the people in the OP photo clearly bulked when they shouldn't have or expected huge muscle gain in less than half a year.

>Go to his forums and see what he recommends, if you're not gaining 5lb a month on SS according to rip you're basically wasting your time, take that as you will.
yes, i'm sure that no one has ever deviated from his strict recommendation successfully. I'm also sure everyone doing SS follows his word exactly

hahahah you fucking idiot

>hahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha
cope
>implying 45 reps of squats per week is too much
not what I said, but you're retarded so it's understandable
let me make it simpler for you
SS is too lower body centric, it turns people into fat ugly t-rex monsters, bench barely does a fucking thing for arms and you're only benching 1.5x a week for 3x5, now compare it to the ammount of working reps you're doing weekly on squats
if you still don't get it consider killing yourself you dumb fucking retard
>we're not though, we're looking at cherrypicked photos
you're delusional, every single person who's been on SS failed to make aesthetic gains, they either get too fat or gain no muscle, or both, vast majority of successful transformations are on absolutely shit routines like brosplits, even those are better than SS

>every single person who's been on SS failed to make aesthetic gains

EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON ANY BEGINNER PROGRAM DOESN'T MAKE AESTHETIC GAINS IN 3 MONTHS

holy shit you reddit faggots are the worst

>t. didn't read the book
>generalizes on SS results based on cherry picked meme pictures
Let me guess, you also believe all atheists wear fedoras and all left-wing voters have purple hairs

>EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON ANY BEGINNER PROGRAM DOESN'T MAKE AESTHETIC GAINS IN 3 MONTHS
if you fail to make any improvements aesthetics wise in 3 months of starting out you are doing it wrong, pure and simple
I don't mean getting jacked in 3 months retard, but actually making noticeable improvements, you can do that shit with fucking yoga and swimming sessions even.
get off ripp's cock already

I have the book you fucking retard
the only cherrypicked meme pictures here are the ones from genetically gifted dudes who failed to follow the actual program and weight gain recommendations by rippetoe himself
exception doesn't invalidate the rule

okay best of luck in your ultimate aesthetic beginner program

>but actually making noticeable improvements
not in 3 months unless you're cutting and losing a pound per week. You're not going to build any significant muscle in 12 weeks, particularly as a beginner

>op still didn't post body with timestamp to back up his cliams
confirmed not even lifting, fucking shitposting faggot

well I mean, if you start lifting you should get some basic knowledge in that area
And when you do, you knwo that SS and SL are meh for upper body, so you make the adjustments
Now, i follow SL routine and I add some more arm/pec exercices
But any beginner program is going to be limited to the beginner, you can't get ripped in 3 months.
I've been going for 7 months now and i'm starting to feel better and look better, but there is still a lot of work to do in terms of definition. Thinking you're going to get The ROck body in under a year is hollywood and marketing fucking with you so you buy all the products they want

so yeah SL and SS aren't bad, they're just for beginners who are looking for a stable motivation, a starting block. Then, find what you want and look for how to get it.

Gospel of fitruth

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>muh balance
>muh comfort
>muh trex mode
>f-fuck squats and deadlifts, I d-don't need them anyway
You coping weakfags are the worst. Fix your form and work your way up, it really isn't as difficult as you think.