How do i stop fapping Jow Forums

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Cut your hands off

nofap is a meme dude
this is one of the best living artists on Earth and he masturbates all the time
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how is that related with the niggerfaggots that spend their whole days here and fap every 30mins ?
Do you even know who is trying to adress their issues on this board with nofap ? We're not talking about your average joe who fap once or twice. Plus nofap is actually a way to cut out noporn.
I didn't watch the vid tho

the nofappists claim that it gives superpowers, which it doesn't. the real superpower is having the discipline to work on your craft for years. when you have that it doesn't matter how much you jerk it, you can be the best in the world
sure, there are a small number of people who genuinely have a problem, but that stems from the fact that they have no purpose in life and don't socialize more than anything

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What food helps replenish the seed

Aren't you approaching the problem the wrong way round ? Or do you expect theses guys to find meaning if they can't even take off their hand of their dicks ?
And if your solution is
>lmao you can fap, just try to focus on some others shits at the same time
then you don't understand them

By Reading Bhagavad Gita s It is, And chant hare krishna

>Or do you expect theses guys to find meaning if they can't even take off their hand of their dicks ?
a man who's addicted to fapping will probably find it harder to work on nofap than off it because they will be craving masturbation the entire time
finding meaning just requires that you sit down and think about it. if you can schedule even 10 minutes a day to think about your purpose then your life will change dramatically. this is a better solution than forcing yourself not to masturbate and suffering the whole time
>lmao you can fap, just try to focus on some others shits at the same time
you absolutely can. the way it works is you fap to get rid of the urge and then you start working

pepper powder in your hands

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all of nofap is based on anecdotal evidence, there's no scientific proof that it will make you more successful. we know that noporn can help replenish beneficial neurotransmitters, which is useful, but it's not a miracle. the miracle is in the will to take action and go after what you want in life

Mate, he was right. You're just doing a hole in the bucket routine

I posted evidence to the contrary, it stands for itself.

>legions of sexually defunct young men hopelessly addicted to hyperviolent pornography?
>but I found this one guy who's not a complete fuck up becaue he draws or something
>check mate no fappers
wow, keep on working that two incher shlomo, maybe you'll be an artist one day too

post a single person who attributes nofap to their success

Ejaculate as fast as you can, until you've lost interest, and go do something productive with your time.

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Don't.

There probably are a lot of people, like some say voodoo helped their cancer, you'll always find people who find plecebo's effective.

Do you think most successful people have addictions that they can't control which interrupts productivity?
I know about Kim Jung Gi and I've had a passion for animating and drawing since I was 12. I've been drawing regardless. Still, masturbating took over my life and productivity. Spending hours masturbating, wasting time I could be doing something with.

This is like combatting someone introducing internet addiction and saying 'this guy is successful and he uses the internet?? Name somebody who is successful and doesn't use the internet.'

yeah you have the burden of proof though. You're the one who came here saying that we can both fap compulsively and still do great things, it's up to you to prove to us.
And making an exception a rule isn't a proof.

why would you
if youre even capable of nofap youre low test

That artist has a great talent but some of the people here, (semi including myself) aside from lifting don't do anything but go on the PC. Idle hands are the devil's play things.

Mfw i calculated that i was spending ~50 days a year fapping

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and did forcing yourself not to masturbate solve your problem?
the problem isn't the drug itself, it's that something is wrong in your life which makes you want to numb yourself
the burden of proof is on the person who made the claim. the claim nofappers made is that masturbation means you can't accomplish great things, but I haven't seen any evidence presented for this.

Have sex

>the burden of proof is on the person who made the claim. the claim nofappers made is that masturbation means you can't accomplish great things, but I haven't seen any evidence presented for this.
Alright I'm no rehoric experts but I think the testimonies of like, a hundred, of fags saying that they manage to do shit once they dissed the porn is more valuable proof than an single asian who managed to do it, no ?

>the problem isn't the drug itself, it's that something is wrong in your life which makes you want to numb yourself
yeah, you're right about that, but you're wrong in thinking that you can solve the machine while fapping like a madman. It's like running a 100m while smoking pot at the same time.

>50 days a year
mfw I am already over 10.000 masturbation in my life

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What the fuck do people like you do when they go outside?
Just leave the house so you can't ffs.

What? Masturbating IS the problem. I wasted so many hours on doing it that it's become a problem in itself, regardless of whether or not something else fueled me into it.
You have to realize that addictions aren't just surface level. They affect everything from your brain, to your productivity.

It can cause erectile dysfunction. Constant use can inspire laziness in already hopeless people since it's incredibly easy to gain satisfaction.

livescience.com/46006-can-porn-shrink-brain.html

>The brains of men who watch lots of pornography tend to be smaller in certain key areas and have fewer connections than those of other men, a new study has found.

This is was the quickest to find article but there are many reasons why addictions fuck up your brain. The problem with them isn't JUST compulsively doing an activity, but they damage many many important areas that have to do with motivation, will power and whatever.

If your answer to addiction is to 'do it because this famous guy does it and he's successful', then you're failing to understand what addiction is and how harmful it can be. You're ignoring all of the factors that explain why Kim is successful while masturbating. He's been drawing all of his life. These people with masturbation addictions have grown up on the internet literally doing nothing. Their addiction to masturbation allows them to continue doing nothing because satisfaction and feeling good is literally 100s of dick strokes away.

>mfw I watch the numbers of hours spent on ph, youtube, Jow Forums etc through some apps

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I meant to add:
If your solution to someone attempting to fix their addiction is to convince them that it's fine because someone does it and he's also successful, then I don't know what to say to you, dude. I don't see how convincing them it's ok when it clearly produces many problems, to the point where they feel the need to quit, makes sense to you.

>Alright I'm no rehoric experts but I think the testimonies of like, a hundred, of fags saying that they manage to do shit once they dissed the porn is more valuable proof than an single asian who managed to do it, no ?
if you want to think about it from the perspective of a numbers game, the amount of professionals who use porn greatly outnumbers the amount of professionals who do nofap.
>yeah, you're right about that, but you're wrong in thinking that you can solve the machine while fapping like a madman.
never affected me, but everyone's different I guess.
>It's like running a 100m while smoking pot at the same time.
works for nick diaz lol

read the article you just linked, causation has not been determined
>Both alcoholism and depression shrink the same brain areas that were found to be smaller in porn watchers in the current study. Depressed people are less likely to be in a relationship, and may therefore have fewer sexual opportunities in real life and more time on their hands to look at sexual content. In that instance, it may be the underlying depression, not the porn itself, altering the brain, Prause said.

drugs can have deleterious effects, yes. but the point is that people abuse drugs because they're trying to fill a void, not because drugs feel good in and of themselves.
read: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park

>drugs can have deleterious effects, yes. but the point is that people abuse drugs because they're trying to fill a void, not because drugs feel good in and of themselves.
Ok, so your point is that no one should fix their addiction? What was your point when you brought up Kim Jung Gi? That people can function while also being addicted? We know that. Many musicians have done so over the last few decades. Not everyone can go out and afford to solve or figure out what's causing them to compulsively masturbate.

Generally those that have this problem are people who are lonely and have nothing to do. Convincing them that you can masturbate and be productive doesn't really add anything. If you want them to solve this, the best step is to take precautions to avoid this addiction, because it's clearly not helping. If anything, masturbation is literally contributing to the cycle of depression.

>In that instance, it may be the underlying depression, not the porn itself, altering the brain, Prause said.
I'm not sure what you're getting at. I get that solving your underlying problems will help but this isn't as simple of a solution as you're making it seem. Of course you should tackle your depression, but not everyone can afford to go to a therapist or start using anti-depressants. The next best thing is to tackle addictions that contribute to depression (even if it's not the cause of it.)

>never affected me, but everyone's different I guess.
This phrase was the clue. He doesn't get why we need to stop fapping to manage to get our life in order because for him he never needed to. He doesn't understand the audience of nofap

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A FOOT IN YOUR ASS

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>Ok, so your point is that no one should fix their addiction? What was your point when you brought up Kim Jung Gi? That people can function while also being addicted? We know that. Many musicians have done so over the last few decades. Not everyone can go out and afford to solve or figure out what's causing them to compulsively masturbate.
if you can still perform while addicted, why would you need to stop the addiction? millions of people are addicted to coffee and it's considered benign.

>Generally those that have this problem are people who are lonely and have nothing to do. Convincing them that you can masturbate and be productive doesn't really add anything. If you want them to solve this, the best step is to take precautions to avoid this addiction, because it's clearly not helping. If anything, masturbation is literally contributing to the cycle of depression.
in the Rat Park experiment, the rats who were moved from isolation to the park stopped using morphine, even though it was readily available. even though they had withdrawal symptoms.
those rats didn't have to force themselves to stop using morphine.

>I'm not sure what you're getting at. I get that solving your underlying problems will help but this isn't as simple of a solution as you're making it seem. Of course you should tackle your depression, but not everyone can afford to go to a therapist or start using anti-depressants. The next best thing is to tackle addictions that contribute to depression (even if it's not the cause of it.)
simply that forcing yourself to stop masturbating probably isn't going to work, you'll relapse or replace it with another addiction because you haven't solved the core of the problem

I don't really think that I'm different from any of you. I think that what's really going on is that nofappers have convinced themselves that they can't perform because they masturbate too much - but it's only the case because they believe it to be.

What you're not understanding is that life isn't as simple as changing your environment in order to fix your current problem. I still fail to see what not trying to overcome an addiction harms. You seem to be stuck in this area of thought where the only method of overcoming something is your way or the highway.
I'm aware of these studies and I'm aware of the veterans who were addicted to coke coming home from the war and no longer being addicted.

This doesn't change the fact that addiction can be overcome in other ways.

>if you can still perform while addicted, why would you need to stop the addiction? millions of people are addicted to coffee and it's considered benign.
lol

ITT: Just continue to be addicted to masturbating because other people are addicted and they're fine. If you're unable to change your social predicament, anxiety, self-hatred, you're screwed. It's completely fine because there are millions of people who are addicted, and that's ok because it doesn't affect your on the surface. That makes it ok.

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>What you're not understanding is that life isn't as simple as changing your environment in order to fix your current problem. I still fail to see what not trying to overcome an addiction harms. You seem to be stuck in this area of thought where the only method of overcoming something is your way or the highway.
>I'm aware of these studies and I'm aware of the veterans who were addicted to coke coming home from the war and no longer being addicted.
I don't think that trying to force yourself to stop is a bad thing. I just think that it's ineffective and most often leads to relapse or another addiction - it will only work once you fix the root problem.

>This doesn't change the fact that addiction can be overcome in other ways.
I don't think there's a single nofapper who has made it to 500 days without addressing the root problem.
>lol
Can you disprove that point? Why would someone addicted to coffee have to quit it?
What a physical addiction really is is trading stable emotions for emotional highs and lows. There is nothing better or worse about either option, unless you are unable to handle emotional highs/lows and it affects your ability to perform.

Idle hands are the devils playground

>I don't really think that I'm different from any of you. I think that what's really going on is that nofappers have convinced themselves that they can't perform because they masturbate too much - but it's only the case because they believe it to be.
Interesting idea. Still disagreeing with you tho. You're spot on with the fact that any addictive problem can be solved if you fix the underlying psychological causes that provocate the said problem. Whether it is fapping, smoking or binging it's all the same shit that causes them.

Now, do you think you can solve the underlying problem while actually spending your free time on the toxic consequences of said problem ? If you can, that doesn't mean we can. And I'm not a bloo blooing here, we're just trying to find the most optimal path.
I'd like to be like Nick Diaz dood, but we're just poor guys struggling to make it. Smoking weed and running this 100m is a big nono. You can't take your example or the chink ones and pretend that we're just not trying hard enough, because you'd be ignoring a lot of infos like the psychological profiles of the nofappers, what led them to their situations etc.
It is not a coincidence if guy like Petterson, pua shit or self help book are a thing nowaday.

When you try to help someone or understand how they can solve their problems you don't take your own personal profile and approach to configurate their path, I mean that's basic.

When you see a fatty trying to lose weight, do you actually go and tell him "dude you can lose weight just run more than you eat" ?

Actually very good advice

>being an artist
>good

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>this is one of the best living artists on Earth

technically yeah, but its not that good in comparison to other artists.

I mean at least he isnt a bleeding heart

>Now, do you think you can solve the underlying problem while actually spending your free time on the toxic consequences of said problem ? If you can, that doesn't mean we can.
Can you put aside 5-10 minutes everyday to focus and think about what you want out of life? Masturbation doesn't take THAT much time. Seriously.
>It is not a coincidence if guy like Petterson, pua shit or self help book are a thing nowaday.
The most effective self-help book I've ever read was by David Goggins, and he is not interested in coddling or bullshitting you. It's Darwinistic and it works because life is that way. The harshest teachers yield results.
Jordan Peterson is kind of like that, too. "Clean your room," and whatnot.
>but we're just poor guys struggling to make it.
You identify as a poor guy who's having a hard time. If you do that, you will be that.
>posts a drawing made by an artist to communicate what he's feeling
kek kek

>Guys how do I stop my eating addiction?
"Why would you want to stop your eating addiction? Look at this guy, he eats 3000 calories a day and he's skinny"
>Ok but what does that have to do with me overcoming my eating addiction?
"Look at these rats that overcame their addiction by changing their environment and situation"
>I'm poor and have social anxiety, so I can't just start going outside to fix whatever problem
"ok, but u need to change your environment instead of stopping ur addiction because u can relapse bro"
>ok

If you can't change your environment at will you should just continue your masturbation addiction because that single solution is marked out. There is no other solution that has ever worked with anyone.

Chastity device will stop you from touching your dick which will allow you to logically say no to your urges instead of building them up.

"You should try overcoming your addiction"
>but ull relapse bro
LOL

>"Why would you want to stop your eating addiction? Look at this guy, he eats 3000 calories a day and he's skinny"
This addiction is only a problem because being fat is unhealthy. Otherwise it's benign.

>"Look at these rats that overcame their addiction by changing their environment and situation"
Yep, and your point? That's exactly what you have to do.

>I'm poor and have social anxiety, so I can't just start going outside to fix whatever problem
Abstaining from masturbation doesn't solve having no money or being anxious.
What solves having no money is getting a job.
What solves being anxious is gradually exposing yourself to social situations, and meditating so that the feelings are less of a hindrance. Even the greatest public speakers have anxiety before getting on stage.

>If you can't change your environment at will you should just continue your masturbation addiction because that single solution is marked out. There is no other solution that has ever worked with anyone.
What other solution has ever worked?

So basically if you have an addiction and there's anything in your way, you have to continue being addicted until that thing is no longer a problem? What the fuck point are you trying to make?

You find out what's causing you so much pain that you feel the need to numb yourself. You fix that and the addiction will drop away without effort.
There is nothing preventing you from solving your problems but your own will and a plan.

>just leave the house bro
normalfags...

Lmao thx for epic bruh moment

>Can you put aside 5-10 minutes everyday to focus and think about what you want out of life? Masturbation doesn't take THAT much time. Seriously.
yeah the brain fog and lack of motivation that comes with it will take that time tho.
now if you mean to tell me that brain fog and whatnot is actually the consequences of our own spirit telling us that we feel like that because we want to attribute our failures to masturbation then now we're in for a hell of a ride.

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Brain fog is not real bro. There are no consequences to chronically masturbating 6 times a day. If anxiety is causing you to be lonely and loneliness is your root problem, then just go outside xd.
Addiction isn't bad. Many people have it. That means you can have it too and be fine teehee.

if someone held a gun to your head and told you to think about something for 5 minutes or die, would you be able to do it?
that gun to your head is real. it's your future and it's in your hands

Oysters

Or high test with high will power.

Yeah I get what you're saying, but here's the thing, I don't give a fuck and I'm going to fap to that last tushy vid.

If I answered to you like this, would you understand why discipline matters ?

If you don't give a fuck about being alive, then you wouldn't be interested in doing NoFap either. That would equate to someone being suicidal, which I would say isn't really caused by porn.

>That would equate to someone being suicidal, which I would say isn't really caused by porn
Don't you agree that stopping porn might actually help in finding joy in life or purpose de nuevo ?

No, because you'll relapse. We all know relapsing is bad and the only solution to addiction is a road of never relapsing ever. Just change your environment xd

>this amount of cope

I was making fun of the other dude.

Joy? There are many different kinds of joy, it depends on what you mean.
On a neurochemical level, the porn addict has traded the type of joy you would get from socializing for the type of joy he gets while masturbating. So he has decided to get his joy at the moment of ejaculation, in exchange for feeling depressed afterwards.
But there are types of joy that don't rely on neurology at all. That is more of an existential joy, you can have it even when you're depressed. It's a complicated topic.

Purpose? I don't think so, at all. For me, finding purpose meant going through a series of written exercises. Something like Jordan Peterson's self-authoring stuff. You can do that regardless of whether or not you use porn, as I said it requires 5-10 minutes a day.

I think I've said enough on the subject by now though. Agree or disagree, it was a good discussion. And I hope I helped someone, or at least got them thinking.

Yeah how do you get the motivation if you spend your time fapping ?
You think an user DECIDED to spend his life fapping to some random bimbo girl instead of doing something actually useful and that he enjoyed it ? if so how come he wants to do nofap ?

You think it is possible to find an existential joy (I agree it exits) when you spend your time fapping ?

>Purpose? I don't think so, at all. For me, finding purpose meant going through a series of written exercises. Something like Jordan Peterson's self-authoring stuff. You can do that regardless of whether or not you use porn, as I said it requires 5-10 minutes a day.
So discipline it is. How do you find the motivation to apply discipline and not fap on the latest porn vid like I said earlier ? The gun metaphor is good, but I don't give a fuck about what's good for me. Don't you think that Perterson is the embodiment of the so called discipline we want to apply in our life ? In that case isn't him and nofap basically the same thing ?
You don't got me thinking tho. I understood what you meant from the beginning but there's a point that we have had some difficulties to transmit. Too bad, another time I guess.

Nofap = noporn. To cut out the jew you must do noporn. Not fapping but still looking at porn is fucking retarded.

Nice and one more question. What is your opinion about non Jewish persons?

what are the benefits of nofap?

squats are weirdly arousing when you haven't wanked for ages

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