Red Meat

Yeah, but you need to be just as aggressive as them.
Push their shit in. Vegans:
>need to supplement
>don't get several nutrients from their diets
>most importantly they don't get B12 from their plants
>most elite vegan athletes are on the same, if not more, amounts of gear that meat eating athletes are
>in sports that matter, vegans are far behind the cream of the crop
>fart like crazy
>they literally get depression, anxiety, unexplained aggression

Just take your shirt off, flex snd say this is what red meat and calorie counting gets you.

You're not dyel are you?

Don't think so

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> Go into a fact finding assignment with a preferred outcome
> Going to moan about data being skewed to reach a certain conclusion
oh irony

The studies referenced in guidelines do adjust for such things

1. These findings do separate the types of meat (see pic related)
2. They actually go beyond the epidemiological and look at mechanistic factors
3. Your meme freerange grassfed cow that lives in your garden still contains unhealthy substances such as IGF1, TMAO, Heme Iron, Cholesterol

If you're struggling to find stuff that agrees with your predetermined conclusion (aside from a scientologist chiropractor on youtube and pre-diabetic low test shawn baker who had to be convinced that getting blood work is a good idea) does it not dawn on you that your conclusion may be false and you should approach this subject with an open mind?

Forgot pic

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you have discovered those evil scientists in academia and their scheme to manipulate the poor meat industry ahem i mean small family ranchers
>heart disease is #1 cause of american death
>heart disease is caused by high cholesterol diet
>fiber can help reduce arterial plaque buildup
>average american eats less than 40g dv of fiber per day
>americans literally pack their shits in for five+ days
>americans love red meat because it tastes good
>red meat has no fiber and high cholesterol
>therefore
>stop eating so much red meat
>a single serving of red meat has 6months worth of vitamin b12
>meme milk and almond milk is enriched with vitamin b12
>a single can of beans has 24grams of protein
>almost all americans, even hardcore vegans eat between 60-70g of protein per day, much more than the daily value
but think of the meat industry how oh how will they ever survive if americans eat meat less frequently or eat fish instead of beef quick its time for more subsidies!

Vegan diet is worse

>cholesterol bad
>igf1 bad

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I don't understand Frank's appeal.
he is like a physical manifestation of a r/zerocarb page.

wew, op delivers. part of the .01% of this board that actually lift.

>igf1
>heme iron
>cholesterol
>unhealthy substances
Vegan C O P E
Just because your diabetic skinnyfat bitchass can't get those doesn't meat they're bad, lmao.

>hiding his shit tattoo

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show me one study where vegans outperform omnivores when lifestyle factors are accounted for.
here's a hint, the Adventist studies never expose you to the raw data, they just say, "we adjusted goys, believe us" and they also classify people that eat meat less than twice a month as vegan.
>the study doesn't exist
picture for ants, fuck out of here.
there is no link between cholesterol and heart disease, do I need to go further into your shitpost?

you're supposed to find the sources and statistics and studies and then form an argument based on their findings, not form an opinion and then find information to support your claim. brainlet.

Sounds like you already made up your mind and now try to find data that supports your position, which is literally confirmation bias. Why not try to look at it from an objective viewpoint?

They both have no degrees in any related field of science. Schmidt is also trying to get people to buy his expensive coaching and supplements (that aren't FDA approved).

>hiding his shit face

Polyp prevention trial shows people who eat red meat have lower risk of colon cancer, lower risk of cancer recurrence, and no increased risk of cancer in general:
nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM200004203421601

Women's health initiative shows lower risk of cancer in women who eat red meat:
hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2006/02/09/low-fat-diet-not-a-cure-all-womens-health-initiative/

>>heart disease is caused by high cholesterol diet
Stopped reading here. Debunked lies.

>Polyp prevention trial shows people who eat red meat have lower risk of colon cancer, lower risk of cancer recurrence, and no increased risk of cancer in general
Where does the study say that? It's only comparing a low fat, high fiber diet to a 'normal' healthy diet.

>t. Read a flawed study that was paid for by the egg board

The high fibre fruit and vegetable group consumed 20% less red and processed meat than the other group.

>the egg board shill is at it again
Is it your full time job to trick people on Jow Forums into eating bread and drinking soda? Who pays you, Wonderbread or Coca-Cola?

high HDL cholesterol is good. High LDL cholesterol is bad. Red meat is full of saturated fats which increase LDL

>still thinking LDL is a relevant measure of health
Here’s an overview of the results of dozens of studies and meta-analyses comparing low-carb or low-fat diets, while tracking weight and other risk factors.

The blue (low carb) or red (low fat) squares signify a statistically significant advantage. The pale blue or red squares signify a non-significant trend toward low carb or low fat being superior.

As you can see above, low-carb diets repeatedly beat low fat in improving all metabolic risk factors. On the other hand, low fat can result in somewhat lower total and LDL cholesterol.

However, since all the metabolic factors (including HDL) favor low carb, even the best measurements of cholesterol-associated risk (like total cholesterol/HDL) favor low carb, on top of the clear victory in blood pressure, blood sugar and weight (including waist measurements).

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Ivor Cummings has kino videos

20% isn't a lot though, so I would be careful to make any predictions based on this study.

When it comes to cholesterol the biggest difference is between eating none of it or eating even just a little bit of cholesterol, but after a certain point every added intake has a neglegible effect. So if your intake is high and you reduce it by 20% you wouldn't see much of a difference.

Maybe it's similar when it comes to cancer risk.

I don't think you're going to get a very good mark for this presentation, user.

Also as everybody has pointed out here, good science almost always involves a null hypothesis, and going into this with a pre-conceived notion (particularly a controversial one with no significant base of evidence or support from clinical practice guidelines) is always going to lead you down the wrong path.

Did my undergrad in nutrition, you're going to learn exactly how and why the recommendations to reduce red meat consumption were developed, and hopefully you'll read a shitload of high quality papers that explain in no uncertain terms the mechanisms and impacts of red meat consumption towards cancer risk, etc.

Why would you listen to 14 year olds on Jow Forums who watched a few youtube videos on 'hurr durr vegans are weak' versus your literal PhD academic professors who have objectively studied and researched these topics for years? Better yet, just follow the papers. If you read enough of the largest, most high-impact papers out there on the topic, I'm pretty sure you're going to make up your mind on this issue pretty quickly...

t. PhD student (physiotherapy) and former MA of dietetics student (physio is heaps better lol)

But on the other hand you have the Esselstyn study that showed that a vegan low fat diet can even reverse heart disease. Eliminating cholesterol completely has a much greater effect than limiting it, as I explained here So I assume a completely vegan low fat diet would have fared much better in comparison to the other low fat diets.

>research studies have skewed their data to make it seem like a diet that includes red meat can put you at more of a risk for cancers, chronic diseases, and CVD
>diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
>suppversity.blogspot.com/2011/12/devil-in-feeding-trough-pge-response-to.html?m=1
>chriskresser.com/red-meat-cancer-again-will-it-ever-stop/
>mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/meat-cancer-bacon-who-report-mens-fitness-health
>rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>deniseminger.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
>deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
>foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
>westonaprice.org/our-blogs/the-curious-case-of-campbells-rats-does-protein-deficiency-prevent-cancer/
>westonaprice.org/our-blogs/taking-a-trip-down-memory-lane-fishing-for-our-good-friend-glutathione-in-the-waters-of-the-memory-hole-how-t-colin-campbell-helped-prove-that-protein-protects-us
>saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/
>reddit.com/r/keto/comments/2qxnro/red_meat_triggers_toxic_immune_reaction_which/cnai2od/
>caloriesproper.com/red-meat-wont-kill-you-it-will-make-you-stronger/

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