Who is more valuable...

Who is more valuable, a smart lazy NEET with 130 IQ that is being a cry baby on internet or an average person changing tires, garbage cleaner or factory worker, providing goods for other people and making others and himself happy with his work?

I've had horrible childhood and was severly misguided and fukk of mental problems up to my 20 years of age, when I hit the bottom and started working in a factory. I did poorly in school due to bad life cycle and zero parenting, couldn't focus and was always tired from training. However, when I could focus I was a lot more dynamic and had vastly bigger imagination than most of the A students. When I started working in factory it's not my fault I ended working there, but it will be if I work there forever. A lot of people I met there had horrible life and zeronguidance, but were good people. Over time, I learned how to plan life out, save money, invest mobey, have philosophical backbone for existance etc.. Yet, there are faggots claiming to be smart on this board and never worked a day in their life. How is a smart lazy human being worth more than your average Joe, that makes the world go around?

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Philosophers are more important than dishwashers.

Neither deserve the oxygen they breathe

Depends on what you consider "valuable".

I'm pretty sure you can't gain any philisophical stance on what it is like to live and contribute, if you never had your hands dirty.

I had a lot of classmates that went on to prestegious universities in England, since they never had to care about anything else than Staceys and their grades. They are going to be 24 now and some have not done anything else than got drunk and fuck Staceys on their 50k€ per year universities, they have no outlook on life and will most likely never know what the fuck it means to work. How is some clear minded faggot that can memorize pages upon pages of literature or his area of subject, yet will never contribute to it, valued more than someone that changes tires?

Not to mention they had and still have all thr time due to their daddy money, to develop vocabulary to the pretentiusnes that will out match most of the normies that aren't free 24/7 and can't even think straight due to their childhood mental health unfurtune and low energy due to heavy jobs, that nobody prepared them for and leave them even more drained.

When you are asking about value, you should consider past a single lifetime. If that crybaby loser never grows up and has kids, he's a waste. If you want to know who is more valuable in public opinion, it is you. If you want to know who is actually more valuable, you'd be measuring against trends for which there is little data.

and never has kids*

They both have value. Acting as though working people need to be sacrificed for the sake of muh economy is Jewy.

tl;dr the one that kills the most Yids is the most valuable.

I've gone through this loop of being smart likeable kid, but was always depressed and had 'issues'. Then I learned how to behave like smart people and they started to like me, since I could use my pretentious exagartmated vocabulary in a manner that would impress them. What made me even more worth is the stories I had and how I told them.. But, it's all fucking empty in my eyes. These fucking people never had a sweat in their life, I can impress and bullshit them, but I will never like them, no matter how much they like me and invite me out. I remember how I went for a beer and a cig after nightshift with a coworker, that wasn't the brightest, but had a good hearth and original character. I miss those people and times, not this pretentious high class bullshit.

A NEET isn't even smart. If he gets high IQ score (granted he did a proper test and not some online scam), he's A: not a clinical retard and B: does something completely unproductive (solving tests) good.

Worthless shits are just pumping up their worth like that - but they actually have none.

They're idiots who haven't realized actions are the only important thing a man does. Ideas and words are for women and kikes.

Yeah, kind of my thoughts also. If you were really that smart, youd'd probably understand life well enough to overcome your retarded NEET habits and do something meaningful with life.

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Yeah, if it was 2000 years ago and 99% of “philosophers” weren’t just lazy NEETs regurgitating age-old works inarticulatly in shitpost format.

Most people would benefit the world more by just “playing their part” but they choose not to because they have over-inflated egos and think they’re “special”

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Yes goy, the harder you work the more valuable you are, if you live your life for yourself and your enjoyment and are not making someone else money you are totally useless and should feel bad!

didn't realise americans with tall poppy syndrome existed.

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It's not about money you stupid child. It's about being a fucking pioneer, felling the forests, building something you'll never get to enjoy so your progeny can start one step ahead of you. We've been subverted financially, I have no problem accepting that, but doing nothing degenerates us and that is an insult to my ancestors.

Are you 12? Every occupation isn’t just by nature “feeding the Jews.” It’s a contribution to society that validates YOUR consumption. Also, if you literally never think of your future or financial stability, you’ll pay (((them))) far more over the course of your life through interest on loans that you’ll need to keep the lights on.

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I respect those who have put work in, but let’s be real, no notable philosopher with ground-breaking insights that will ever publish an actual book is in this thread right now

Why? *stops your argument*

>implying all actions are good and desirable
I agree, actions are important to change something, words are usually meaningless.
But in our society modern and oh so advanced society nearly each action you take to improve your life by societal standards will mean to destroy something else.
Take for instance finance, bankers. They might have a lot of fun in life due to high income and prestige, but their capitalst-driven actions are ruining society.
Take art - same thing, pushing degeneracy in public.
Engineering - pollute the world and steal resources for either stupid product nobody really needs or developing "high-tech" which does accelerate our destruction.
Smartphones are "so great 'n' dandy", but turning people into fucking retarded zombies, that cant live without it facebook and consortes ...

Ill rather die poor but a clean heart and mind, than a rich faggot, who was responsible for the destruction of our society and planet just because i was a greedy ass bastard without any insight.

I...I never thought of that before. Wow user you've really opened my eyes. If it weren't for your asterisks I would have gone on thinking my pride through effort philosophy, which refreshes the human soul and provides men a purpose, was correct. I have been eternally stumped, how long is the line at the benefits office? Should I wear sweatpants or gym shorts with my flip flops?

(((work)))

How will you know if we are all anons?

Why do you think I want to tell you what to do? *teleports behind your argument*

Laborers are the backbones of society and deserve respect. NEETs are just a variant of welfare queen where their gibs come directly from their ashamed parents.

It's funny, you list the flaws in these industries, then somehow come to the conclusion nothing should be done about it. That's the sort of mental gymnastics the neet must constantly endure. And while you call yourself pure or whatever you know you don't feel it. You feel on edge. Self sacrifice cures that feeling. Find something that matters to you, out your all into fixing it, then put more in, and your faith will be rewarded in ways you can't imagine.

Well if someone’s actually capable, they should be intelligent enough to interpret what I’ve said properly and realize I’m speaking in broad terms because most of the people on this board are not actually able to exist as a philosopher

>Be me
>146iq
>Sad about most things while realizing how "fake" human standards are.
Well, it's certainly better being stupid.

average joes just contribute to the shit system that's been dragging us down for thousands of years

you have to apply your brain to your own thoughts, not other peoples'

having children without having a family business is the worst thing a person can do; you're throwing your child's livelihood into someone elses hands.

Yah right Shlomo. Feel free to waste your one life propping up a failed, perverted society while I live my life purely for entertainment and pleasure.

Yes, only by enslaving yourself will you truely be free.

If your IQ is 250 but all you do is stay home all day shitposting on the interwebs you're still a retard

Neets are mostly sub -human betas even with high IQ , whose only purpose in life is their self absorded lifestyle . While run of the mill normies adapt to most things and do well and adjust , unlike a NEET who tends to fail when change comes to fast or rapid , making them worthless and a liability in the long run . Give me a bunch of C students any day and we can move mountains , instead of lazy A student NEETS who will think on it without doing anything .

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theres no such thing as "smart but lazy".
if you were truly smart you'd figure out ways to motivate yourself

You're typing on a magical human knowledge box which can bring you food at a moment's notice. Do you have any idea how far you are from the bedrock of human experience? Stop being a stupid child. You are a slave, that's what this entire existence is, it's struggling. You have all eternity to be on the sidelines. Learn why being invested in the outcome is important.

You'd have a hard time being a philosopher with a 130 IQ. You'd have to be the type of philosopher who is really more of a psychologist or a poet or a mystic.

The really exceptional philosophers were all super-geniuses, typically had some contribution to math or logic as well.

And to answer OP's question the person contributing to society is by definition more valuable to that society.

Okay, I would say that there are 2 ways to make decision
Theoretical and Practical. For theory, you think it out yourself or project it. In practice, you use way that it has been proven out
>Theoretical
Good sides
>Create a new, better working system
>Acknowledge hidden info
>self-sufficient in new experiences
Bad sides
>May not know all real-world facts so the theory fails
Making too many decisions using theory is also connected with psychosis
>Practical
Good sides
>Will give you sure result for example - a good workplace
>You don't need to be very intelligent
Bad sides
>Using proven information instead of looking for new solution may make your work less effective, doing work double etc
>It may have long-term bad sides. for example smoking
too practical decision making will end you up being stubborn and make you unable to adapt or see the plans against you

In short terms
Theory is has more risk-reward, while practical is easy
If you are high-IQ and want to use your own information, you must be very smart and you should understand that all you might think is not true and think practically

The person changing tires
>Inplying NEETs are valuable to society
Next question

Scientific theory != Philosophical Theory

Fuck off faggot

Anyone who has ever worked for a living knows the second a theory hits the real world it's blown to shit. All this garbage is just hypnosis. You know who doesn't worry about that? The guy swinging a sledgehammer.

>be NEET
>129 IQ
>never leave computer except on weekends
>make 1-10k a week day trading for 20 minutes a day at open/close and sometimes swing trading
How much money you make or whether or not you have a job is no gauge as to how objectively valuable you are, it's all a scam and no value is intrinsic it's all culturally defined. Who controls culture? ((()))

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Have you considered that maybe the guy with 250 IQ knows better than you what's best in life?

me

Or maybe they are so smart that they realize toiling their life away is a meme and spending their limited time on this planet doing what they enjoy is superior.

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No, why would he? If he's solved life, he's only solved it for himself. And frankly, that person is more like an alien than a human.

>If you're not hungry for lots of money you're not intelligent

This is what normies believe.

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Yes, because they usually don't care about every little detail in them, which at the end will change the results
However, because of theories we have practical solutions
practical solutions are basically the theories, which have been proven to work good, while they usually don't teach you the theoretical part, it is still based on someones idea

If that was the case you wouldn't see them crying on the internet and writing 4000 character posts attempting to justify their existence to a meme board. They want acceptance, mostly from themselves, because they know they're failing.

yeah that pretentiousness is a joke. It is often perpetrated by those who are actually pretty low, but they're making it their identity to delude themselves and others

I've been working at walmart for over a decade. Where does this put me?

A smart neet is an oxymoron, if you were smart you'd realise how being a neet is detrimental to your physical and mental health.
I would take a productive person over a lazy sack of shit.

t.former neet

Really high IQ people never type out really long posts, those are the midwits, typically 115-125 IQ range.
You find them on reddit, i hate those fucking fags.

Someone who has actually done the actions involved, yes. It's really not that hard, just work, when you're old and can't be productive, lend your experience to your apprentices.

>If you're not hungry for lots of money you're not intelligent
I've never implied that, you're just doing a strawman here.

If you are content with being a parasite or a pet with absent agency and independence you are not intelligent.

How have you not killed yourself yet my guy? Too scared to?

My apologies I wasn't aware of any official neet requirements.

I have unfinished business. Maybe when I hit 40 in a few years I'll highly consider it.

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If you don't hate it enough to quit, and you're not bored enough to look for something else, I'd say keep it up man.

No other job will be able to match my wage to start and I cannot take a paycut because I have bills to pay. I also have no accolades or a GED or anything so I'm disqualified for most jobs.

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Honestly you pathetic memeflaggot you seem to have it figured out. Adults make their own value. If I want to pig out on laffy taffy and Doritos I can. If I want to work 80 hour weeks as an EMT I can. It is balance, if you are just grinding away at some shithole making money for Mr. Shekelstein you better have something going on the side to get out. If you are just shitposting and generating diabetes, you better have something going on the side to get out. Philosophy can't happen in a vacuum and in the modern world people are so inundated with bullshit that pure thought is just lost in the mix. Pay your bills, save money, be better tomorrow if you don't like how today is going.

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Well, your post can be as long as you need it to be. If you want to give more information, you need to use more words
It is just that redditors make a lot of words out of nothing and they don't sometimes even understand what they are talking about

with this line of reasoning, a smart professor is an oxymoron as well since if he was actually smart, he would make mad money and buy himself happiness

haha, ironically enough I was studying philosophy and my evening job was dishwashing.
Where do I figure?
I dropped out of philosophy and I quit dishwashing, too. Now I'm a NEET.

Unless his happiness is teaching. I don't get it, but there are some sick fuck running around.

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Go back to dishwashing.

For you that data farm all day pretending to be sewious business, the neet.

Personal independence is loneliness and agency leads to ever expanding responsibility, particularly if you are intelligent.

It's better to abstain in the first place because your creations will only lead to death intentionally or not.

For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
I therefore resign my agency to biological evolution and my fate to god.

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There is also a reason why they are lazy
It is not that they because they choose
Most of them have anxiety and bad memory because when you think everything out yourself, you don't need to use your memory to remember things, you can just think about them. Their memory gets worse and they can't function propely

Hey bro, protip: Lie about having your highschool diploma, they won't check.

Of course the NEET, he knows it's the plebs task to change the tires and run the power lines. Meanwhile he can enjoy a lucrative, studious but astute life of pleasures like a nobleman of old.

>will only lead to death
Nobody told you everybody dies sometime, huh?

You made the right choice. Enjoy your life instead of wasting it.

NO that's a job preference he's still productive member of society.
A neet is a leach on society and offers nothing in return. It's not all about money but productivity.
You of all people should be able understand this with your meme flag.

being productive is not the same as being smart, though.

Arguably, a fincance banker that gets lots of money from other people's work is smart.

This entire thread is a thinly veiled circle jerk of losers going "At least I'm not one of THOSE losers".

National Socialism aims to limit class antagonisms and continuously draw on talented members of the working class to replenish the ranks of the ruling classes. This is a good solution that doesn't rely on gay egalitarianism. Look into it chap. Also, Heil Hitler and Hail Victory.

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Aristocracy fails when the nobles fail to see their position is the result of another's efforts.

Might need it if I am in some sort of state-funded training program. I don't know. Just a bit of my compulsive honesty.

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Life is suffering, that does not mean I will add to it.
Nothing in this world holds interest, perhaps my soul is old and ready for enlightenment.

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Get a skill and capitalize it. Learn to drive a forklift and work through a temp agency. Or accounting. You are wasting your time at Walmart friend.

God damnit why did he have to go after the Soviets???

Again it's not about money but contribution to society. I would take my garbage collector over a neckbeard bastement dweller who plays vidya all day.
Difference between them is one is a manchild and the other is engaged in society, provides value, pays taxes

>average joe is really a paco, not a joe
Paco's society is somewhere else.
Really activates the almonds.

I dont consider neets human

>130 iq worker goes into work
>can't socialize with 90 iq morons
>they call him fag and laugh at his work ethic
>can't tell boss about this because boss also 95 iq and fraternizes with them
>130 iq retreats inward
>80 iq internet fags say this makes him worthless
This is how you get Ted Kaczynski. Do you want Ted Kaczynski?

Your soul is ready for struggle. It's thirsty to see you give up hedonism and suffer. But not needlessly, suffer for the cause you choose. Get a job.

>illiterate mexican and central american goblinos working as maids and fry cooks is what makes the world go round

Most NEETs here are psychotic and have delusions, their delusions can be very small for example they might think that they are not liked by other people or that they will fail at everything
It is because they won't make the practical solution - just try it out like "normies" do
with this I mean that they stop acting like weirdos and just trust other people

What good can the neet do with his ideas? Even if he generates perfection, he has no ability, so no one trusts his conclusions, he has no connections, so he can't distribute his notions, even with perfection in his grasp, he is useless.

>Who is more valuable
economically the normie...But isn't that part of the problem?
The economics are propping up some satanic system.

Except that's a strawman made up for the convenience of your cheerfully miserable fantasy. People make fun of you at work? Tune them out, outperform them, make your boss look good, he gets promoted, you take his job, can the losers, form your own successful team.

Well, if he wants to get higher, he must stop using his IQ and he should start using his EQ
He must like well for other and climb up to the power, not being socially withdrawn

The smartness comes comes from grasping fundamental things like being productive. Being a neet is lacking in the basic fundamental and I can't consider that as smart. I don't care how many facts you know, kids memorise shit all day but they're not exactly smart. I consider a neet an overgrown child who is scared of the big bad world.

Finance supports a santanic system, economies exist when a lion chooses the slow baby gazelle over the adult.