Vegan hate thread

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>Crown Shakur

Nothing of value was lost.

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Vegans are deficit in b12:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/784788
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16219987

Vegans have a worse memory compared to non vegans due to creatine deficiency in vegans:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21118604
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14561278

Vegans are deficient in omega threes:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16087975
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16188209
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12323090
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12323085

Vegans are deficit in carnitine:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21753065
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2756917
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1628441/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11043928

Vegans are deficient in taurine:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3354491

Vegans are deficient in iodine:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12748410
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21613354

Vegans are deficient in Coenzyme Q10:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16873950

Vegans are deficient in iron due to the fact that iron from plant sources is less bioavailable than iron from meat sources:
ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Iron-HealthProfessional/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11269606

Vegans are deficient in vitamin A:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19103647
m.jn.nutrition.org/content/137/11/2346.full
healthybabycode.com/why-you-cant-get-vitamin-a-from-eating-vegetables (studies linked in the article)
sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091118072051.htm
researchnews.osu.edu/archive/betacarotene.htm
ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/6/1545.full

Calcium in Rats
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3183773

Magnesium and Oxalates
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15035687

Vegans have a lower sperm count than non vegans:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/35465
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257705/

Vegans have lower testosterone than non vegans:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181
m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127.abstract
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/159772
m.jap.physiology.org/content/82/1/49

Veganism causes loss of libido and erectile dysfunction:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21353476

Children who are raised on strict vegan diets do not grow normally:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4067152
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8005079

Children develop rickets after prolonged periods of strict vegetarian diets:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874810/pdf/canmedaj01383-0052.pdf

"There are some links between vegetarians and lower birthweight and earlier labour"
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7788369

Effects of vitamin B12 and folate deficiency on brain development in children:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3137939/

"Particular attention should be paid to adequate protein intake and sources of essential fatty acids, iron, zinc, calcium, and vitamins B12 and D. Supplementation may be required in cases of strict vegetarian diets with no intake of any animal products."
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912628/

Vegans are deficient in vitamin A (more links):
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19103647
m.jn.nutrition.org/content/137/11/2346.full
healthybabycode.com/why-you-cant-get-vitamin-a-from-eating-vegetables (studies linked in the article)
sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091118072051.htm
researchnews.osu.edu/archive/betacarotene.htm
ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/6/1545.full
fasebj.org/content/23/4/1041.full
thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/beta-carotene-vitamin-a-myth
empoweredsustenance.com/true-vitamin-a-foods
westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-a-vagary
westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-a-saga
philmaffetone.com/vitamin-a-and-the-beta-carotene-myth

Basted. Fuck vegans.

I'm saving all of this.

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They should sticky a vegan hate thread. Maybe it would clear out the shill infestation.

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based thread. veganism is a mental illness

Reminder that the blog spammer has never posted his body. He doesn't lift.

You post this but never ate liver, intestines, eyes, balls, marrow, blood and so on
>Fuck vegans tho

Found the angry vegan.

Nice resources, let's have a look at your first study here:
>jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/784788
2003 case study of two sisters who ate an omnivorous diet who developed symptoms of B12 deficiency in adolescence/adulthood, their serum B12 was normal but it turned out they had both had developed a rare disorder (unusually older than would be expected) where the B12 wasn't being processed and absorbed cellularly.

Nigga what has this got to do with vegans? How is this your opening study you link? Is English your first language?

Liver is good for you
Mexican dishes use pig intestine i eat,
Oh you mean rocky mountian oysters?
Bone is safe to eat so as it is properly chewed before swallowing.
Blood sausage.
>You underestimate what i have eaten user

Where do I even get quality organs? I'd eat it no problem.

You didn't go through all the studies so I'm gonna assume you're a retarded vegan and ignore you.

> Spam 40 irrelevant studies
> Expect anyone to read that shit

Go on user, justify the inclusion of the first in your slam against Vegans?

I've had liver, intestines, and marrow am I le natty carnivore?

Why would I justify it when I didn't even make the list?
>40 irrelevant studies
Tell me exactly which ones, I'll wait.

Don't you have a butchers market? Farmers? Ranchers? Farms here are grass fed, the ranchers send then to the slaughterhouse then sell them to the butcher(if the ranch is big enough its all done by one ranch) Its great cuz the meat here is fresh, they ship to other parts of the country but once its been sitting in store for a week then bought and cooked it doesn't taste as well as where i get mine in town.

You didn't read through even first one.

>plagueofstrength.com/vegetarianism-and-veganism-bes/
>plagueofstrength.com/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as/
>thetab.com/uk/2017/02/16/vegetarians-unhealthy-mentally-disturbed-says-new-research-33067
>plagueofstrength.com/the-war-on-coffee-and-common-sense-or/51681725

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>you have to either eat meat or be a retarded vegan
You can also just be a vegetarian

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First one. How is an old case study on two omnivores with an incredibly rare condition relevant? It's like posting a study showing how dehydration is bad.

Yes it can theoretically happen to a vegan (as well as omnivores) but not all vegans are B12 deficient. The study is not a refute against veganism.

So I actually checked out the first one, and apparently the retarded vegan didn't even read past the first sentences.

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hahahaha

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Where do you get your b12? (Reminder that there is zero proof that supplements work, especially the vegan ones).

Not every vegan is B12 deficient though, it's something that can be easily avoided with basic planning.

Go eat your chemical protein powders pills supplements and man made grains/fruit/vegetable that you'll never find in nature because dc Michael greger told you so and don't forget to get a vasectomy as well

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Answer this question:

>Where do you get your b12?
Sips are vegan lad

> (Reminder that there is zero proof that supplements work, especially the vegan ones).
That little qualifier (on "zero proof' lol) sounds like you're referencing a study, citation pls

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Ahah this vegan are truly the biggest pharmaceutical industry slaves

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Are you retarded mate? So if I say that there are zero studies that proved supplements work, I need to provide a study to prove that claim? Even your comment shows you lack b12 since you appear fucking retarded.

Vegans have lower incidences of the most common health problems in the west (heart disease, stroke, cancer, erectile disfunction, etc...) so use less pharmaceuticals.

It's the meat eaters who have made their diet part of their identity (meat so manly) who become hooked on pills, I wonder (((how))) that happened.

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Reminder that carnists who make these anti vegans threads are literally acting out of their own interests and are fucking retarded.

You said there is 0 proof that supplements work, and "especially" so (especially on 0, holy kek you underage tard).

There should be plenty of studies showing that say oral supplementation doesn't affect serum levels of whatever substance.

being so butthurt over a copypasta thats 100% relevant to the topic and discussio itself that youll make a collage over different copypastas in hopes of someone finding it debunked because theyre copies (despite that theyre providing credible sources)

the vegan brain disease caught yet another victim

Fuck off kike, you're comparing vegans to people who eat 70% plant based(lots of bread) and a little bit of shit quality meat.
How about you compare 100% carnivores who only eat hunted meats with vegans?

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and the mental gymnastics of vegan leftists discriminating the fact that someones gay while trying to save the planet, baka

why so much hate, im just making sure theres plenty of meat left for you guys to eat.

How is a lifting blog opinion piece raging against christianity at all a credible or relevant source?

Nah it's that vegans eat less transfats, highly processed food etc.
omnivores too can improve their health tenfold by avoiding the same substances that ACTUALLY lead to the problems you mentioned

You haven't posted any proof so you're the underage retard you dumb motherfucker lmfao.
You're just proving my point that there exists zero proof that supplements work, thanks for that I suppose.

>How about you compare 100% carnivores who only eat hunted meats
Ahh yes, the Inuits and Massai, famously healthy people who barely reach the age of 50 before dropping dead.

0 proofs bullshit epidemiological study comparing vegans to unhealthy Americans eating a shit diet which is 80% vegan with processed meat containing onions and vegetable oils

Early man were high level carnivores.

youtube.com/watch?v=X20y4JpRKPU

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Prove it. (I'll wait)

humans have an absorption rate between 2-4% of synthetic vitamins since we're not cows, remember those enormous caplets of animal paks that just simply BLEW UP like an arson ? that shit was pissed out in the toilet while maybe you kept some placebo effect and 2-3 percentage of it in your system.

>You haven't posted any proof so you're the underage retard you dumb motherfucker lmfao.
When someone makes a ridiculous claim (that supplements as a whole don't work) the onus is upon you to provide the evidence.

But here you go buddy, a study that found oral supplementation of B12 maintained normal serum B12 levels: pmj.bmj.com/content/79/930/218

Whether you accept the study or not I don't care, I have a question for you however: You don't believe supplementation works, do you believe medicine works? I'm genuinely curious.

Holy shit just fucking FUCK ALL VEGANS. Imagine being so inferior you don't eat any meat like a poor subhuman.
>yea but muh environment
Then go neck yourself faggot and make the earth a better place by one human less

just a question, is a vegan diet healthy than the average American diet?

Yes, all the evidence vegans present to defend their diet compares against the average western diet.

This is the wiggle room used by the angry anti-vegans here because they believe that their diet may be healthier than both and is never studied.

Hey at least this one noticed something was wrong and changed back to normal.

so what is type of diet would but a fairer comparison.

It can be worse it depends on what you eat but if you stick to a whole plant based diet without powders and supplements you'll be starving unless you are very sedentary you might be ok for some months/years

Mediterranean perhaps.

There's also some good data showing pescatarian diet is the best diet all round (often trumps the vegan diet in the studies the vegans post) but it's ignored by those here who are emotionally dependant upon eating red meat.

Watching keto and carnivore lectures, it's amazing how many of the presenters are former vegan or vegetarians.

Alright I'll change my "claim" (you're a moron) just for you then.
Supplements are unregulated, so it can contain basically anything, but if you're getting real b12 in a hospital it's a different story. If you get it from the store and it's called vegan, it's most likely something that is similiar to b12 but not actual real b12.
So here's the correction of my first comment: vegan supplements are bullshit that does not work, and if you're getting real b12, you're not a vegan anymore and you admit indirectly that veganism is a diet that does not work.

American diet is already 70% plant based, so if you cut out the only healthy parts of the food pyramid (animal products), you become a vegan.

yeh I remember reading something about an Italian island where every lived to be quite old due to eatin natural foods. then the processed shit came to the island and life expectancy dropped.

> Supplements are unregulated
Depends on the country lad

> vegan supplements are bullshit that does not work
Citation please

> if you're getting real b12, you're not a vegan anymore
"Real B12" doesn't come from animals it is a byproduct produced by certain bacteria. Modern agricultural techniques (aka cleanliness and antibiotic use) mean that we can't obtain it from traditional sources anymore (dirty vegetables the bacteria lived upon or the animals that eat them).

As a result the majority of B12 supplements that are produced are actually administered to farm animals. Despite this some research has found that unto 40% of the population in the US are B12 deficient, which means we have a higher rate of B12 deficiency in the omnivore population than the vegan population (who are aware of this danger and have taken actions to avoid it).

TL:DR - B12 deficiency is a modern phenomenon that affects more omnivores than it does vegans

Pescatarian diet ain't as bad as veganism/vegetarianism, since you're getting animal food still.
But the ultimate diet is carnivore + occasional local fruit.

Let's talk about the vegan vitamin D/omega 3 supplements as well that tries to imitade animal hormones what a fucking joke

my flatm8 eats carnivore, hes a skinny twig/ looks worse than most vegans, in fact i thought he was. most carnivore diet people iv seen struggle to put on anyweight. which would be a problem for me.

kek

There's two strawmans in this comment mate.
You're bringing up people who eat 70% plant based (if not more) and comparing them to vegans who know they need to take supplements (btw having to take supplements shows that veganism is inferior)

The second one is talking about factory farming. I don't support factory farming so bringing that up is irrelevant.

This is what my point has been: humans are carnivores and they should eat HIGH QUALITY meat (aka not factory farmed garbage meat with zero nutrition).

>Citation please
If the supplement is called "vegan", it means that it does not contain anything from animals, and that means whatever is inside it is not b12 that is DIGESTIBLE to humans.

You are aware in the study linked prior that the B12 supplements didn't come from animals user? Because no B12 supplements come from animals. Yet the study proves they work. How you gonna gymnast out of that one?

Also we're omnivores not carnivores

Post body please

>Also we're omnivores not carnivores
Yeah user, that's why we have the same stomach as carnivores! (btw all animals eat meat including "herbivores")

Cows are given B12 supplements you soft brain

I've eaten liver and marrow.
I've also eaten blood sausage but I doubt that counts.

My dad eats kidneys sometimes but that shit fucking stinks and kills my appetite.

fuck this one happened in my country, the fucking north islanders are serious retards as you can see here in that article.

If you get dropped in a forest, how will you survive?

come on man this a dumb sit argument, its like when people ask vegans would they eat meat if they were trapped on island.

I'll take that as "I'll starve if I try to be vegan in a forest".

im not even vegan, but your point is retarded. most meat eaters wouldn't survive in the forest without a gun or a knife or modern day tools.

How would a carnie survive if they were locked in a bunker with only oats?

That's irrelevant to the question I made.
But I can reform it for the autistic like you:
Assuming you had the tools necessary for the diet you want. How will you survive in a forest?