I wanna know where Jow Forums stands on their philosophy and beliefs. Share your beliefs and discuss/debate with others. Here are a few questions:
>What is moral/immoral? >Is morality objective or subjective? >What is the ideal form of government? >Where do concepts come from, what are they? >Do you value empiricism over deduction and conjecture? >What is truth? >Does a deity exist? >Is abortion moral/immoral >What is beauty? >What does people value the most? >Do animals deserve rights? >Do people deserve positive rights? (IE the right to food) >What are numbers? And finally, >Fucking magnets, how do they work?
>What is moral/immoral? that's a big question >Is morality objective or subjective? subjective >What is the ideal form of government? benevolent ai autocracy >Where do concepts come from, what are they? uh >Do you value empiricism over deduction and conjecture? I guess >What is truth? things that are true >Does a deity exist? probably not >Is abortion moral/immoral immoral tbqh >What is beauty? big tits >What does people value the most? getting their jollies >Do animals deserve rights? yeah >Do people deserve positive rights? (IE the right to food) yeah >What are numbers? abstractions And finally, >Fucking magnets, how do they work? large sums of magnetic moments
Luke Reed
All these are way to big to answer in a bite. But animals have genuinely shown that if we are to believe other people experience pain and suffering than animals.do too to varying degrees. Thus animals absolutely should have rights. Suffering and pain are unironically and absolutely literally the worst things in all of existence. If anything is capable of experiencing them then we as conscientious actors are obligated to reduce our role in causing suffering (perhaps weighed against certain needs, mainly protein).
Owen James
>What is truth? Why do armchair philosophers love putting deeper meanings on such stupid questions
Tyler Foster
>What is moral/immoral? Spooks >Is morality objective or subjective? Spooks >What is the ideal form of government? Spook >Where do concepts come from, what are they? Spooks >Do you value empiricism over deduction and conjecture? Spooks >What is truth? Spook >Does a deity exist? Spook >Is abortion moral/immoral Morality is a spook. >What is beauty? Spook >What does people value the most? Themselves >Do animals deserve rights? Rights are spooks >Do people deserve positive rights? (IE the right to food) Rights are spooks >What are numbers? Digits we use to count shit
Christopher Russell
>What is moral/immoral? degenracy >Is morality objective or subjective? subjective >What is the ideal form of government? there is no ideal >Where do concepts come from, what are they? brain >Do you value empiricism over deduction and conjecture? dont care >What is truth? fact >Does a deity exist? no >Is abortion moral/immoral ye >What is beauty? expression >What does people value the most? Number 1 >Do animals deserve rights? ye >Do people deserve positive rights? (IE the right to food) ye >What are numbers? expressions of value And finally, >Fucking magnets, how do they work? poles
>What is beauty? >big tits Based, absolutely based. I'm more of an ass man myself, but I see where you're coming from. >All these are way too big too answer in a bite I just want your opinions, not necessarily your reasoning behind it. (Although I am interested) >Suffering and pain are unironically and absolutely literally the worst things in all of existence. The real question is, is the existence of pain/pleasure cause for action, and is limiting pain and increasing pleasure objectively moral to-do. I would agree, that it is true among most all people, that all ours actions are to increase pleasure and decrease suffering. >>Do you value empiricism over deduction and conjecture? >dont care It's impossible not to value them to live as a human being. Or are you saying you regard them equally? >>What is truth? >fact That is circular.
I'd also like to say one other thing about one of these questions >Do animals DESERVE rights and >Do people DESERVE positive rights should have been HAVE, as in it is a question about objective reality, not about personal preference.
Josiah Bell
>What is moral/immortal? Depends from person to person. >Is morality objective or subjective? Highly subjective. >What is the ideal form of government? I'm not into politics etc. but I think there is none. >Where do concepts come from, what are they? They come from imagination, but also from simple things like nature. They are what keeps the innovation going, without new concepts we would be stuck with same things for quite a while. >Do you value empiricism over deduction and conjecture? I don't have a single fucking clue what either of those words mean so pass from me on this one. >What is truth? Everything You see, assuming it's not an illusion. Everything You hear, assuming You don't listen to liars. Everything You touch, assuming You aren't dreaming/high. Everything You read, assuming it's history and from a few perspectives, not only the victors'. >Does a deity exist? Doubtfully. >Is abortion moral/immoral If the child will be sick or may even die shortly after birth or if the mother's life is endangered, then it's moral. Aborting a child just because You don't want it is immortal, As long as You would have the resources to keep it happy and healthy. >What is beauty? Beauty is highly subjective. >What does people value the most? Depends from person to person. Some people really appreciate art, others fancy cars, other people look at the price tag and think that's the value, while others value honesty. >Do animals deserve rights? Yes >Do people deserve positive rights? (IE the right to food) The ones that do something useful for the whole community (city, nation, world). Otherwise it's a waste of resources. >What are numbers? They specify the amount of basically everything You can imagine. >Fucking magnets, how do they work? Magic.
Jackson Ortiz
>>What is moral/immoral? Most people could use their entire post to explain this but in the end morality is meaningless >>Is morality objective or subjective? subjective >>What is the ideal form of government? entire species of cyborgs networked together to create on the fly democracy with their very thoughts >>Where do concepts come from, what are they? concepts come from humans trying to understand and rationalize the world around them to keep the species from going insane and dying of pure despair >>Do you value empiricism over deduction and conjecture? no >>What is truth? unpleasant >>Does a deity exist? unlikely >>Is abortion moral/immoral Its a necessity morality means nothing >>What is beauty? subjective >>What does people value the most? money/wealth >>Do animals deserve rights? They deserve nothing by default but we should be kind to them for our own sakes if nothing else >>Do people deserve positive rights? (IE the right to food) rights are a complicated subject. Sure you can put on paper the people have the right to food or internet etc but if you don't have the resources to supply that it means absolutely nothing. Just pretty words on paper much like the worthless religious texts of the past >>What are numbers? concept use to quantify various universal values >And finally, >>Fucking magnets, how do they work? witchcraft caused be imprisoning tiny loli faeries and putting little vibrators in their cunts to harvest their sweet nectar which powers the magnet via the power of eros.
Aiden Ross
Immoral* not immortal
Luis Myers
>What is moral/immoral? Nothing >Is morality objective or subjective? subjective >What is the ideal form of government? Democratic Republic >Where do concepts come from, what are they? This question is retarded >Do you value empiricism over deduction and conjecture? Empirical data is the highest form of truth >What is truth? Ideas that are verifiable and replicatable >Does a deity exist? No >Is abortion moral/immoral Trick question, morality is a relative yardstick >What is beauty? Subjective >What does people value the most? Themself >Do animals deserve rights? No >Do people deserve positive rights? (IE the right to food) No >What are numbers? You'll need to be more specific if you want an answer to this.
>>What is moral/immoral? harming other people is immoral. Infringing on peoples' rights is immoral. >>Is morality objective or subjective? I'd like to say subjective, but the two things I posted above seem pretty hard to negotiate around (no, self-defense doesn't count as harming people, because they put themselves in that situation) >>What is the ideal form of government? I can't claim to be some sort of expert, but I'd say that the idel government would protect people and their rights from other countries, corporations, and other people, but would meddle in peoples' affairs as little as possible >>Where do concepts come from, what are they? Concepts? Is that like the platonic ideals? >>Do you value empiricism over deduction and conjecture? Empiricism, I guess >>What is truth? Truth is what's real >>Does a deity exist? Probably not, but I guess it's possible. What do you mean by deity, though? Do they have to be omnipotent and omniscient like Jaweh, or no? >>Is abortion moral/immoral I'd say that up until the fetus is viable outisde the womb, it's not really a person, so it's ok to abort it. After that, it's a human being, so it can't be aborted, because that's murder. I still don't like that part of my taxes goes to planned parenthood, though. >>What is beauty? That's hard to define. You know it when you feel it, though >>What does people value the most? I can only speak for myself, but happiness >>Do animals deserve rights? to some extent, yes. >>Do people deserve positive rights? (IE the right to food) Somewhat. They need to acquire or earn their own food, unless they're absolutely incapable of doing so >>What are numbers? I have no idea how to define that. Quantities? >And finally, >>Fucking magnets, how do they work? I can't remember, but it has something to do with all the atoms in something being aligned so their magnetic fields line up in the same direction.
Thanks for the thread, OP. It's actually pretty interesting.
>>Where do concepts come from, what are they? >This question is retarded
Look at what you did, Plato is angry now.
Chase Anderson
>What is moral/immoral? It is moral to act in a way that you expect it to be an universally accepted law. For example, if you pick up a wallet on the street and you keep all the money for yourself, you accept it that someone should do the same to you if you ever loose your wallet. >Is morality objective or subjective? It is subjective. We don't know what's truly good and if there is even "good". We only have assumptions that help us function better. >What is the ideal form of government? There is no ideal government. It depends on place and time. >Where do concepts come from, what are they? I believe that they come from our minds after thinking or analyzing our reality. >Do you value empiricism over deduction and conjecture? Yes. I only trust my experiences. >What is truth? Something that matches either yours or others view on reality. Something can be true to you but not to others. >Does a deity exist? Yes, but it is not personal. It doesn't judge. It just exists because everything is God. It is eternal and has no beginning or end. >Is abortion moral/immoral It depends on situation. >What is beauty? Certain proportions. Our experiences also influence us to find certain things more beautiful than the others. Beauty isn't objective. >What does people value the most? Love. >Do animals deserve rights? Yes, but they shouldn't be valued more than humans. >Do people deserve positive rights? (IE the right to food) Yes. >What are numbers? Math's language. They are everywhere. >Fucking magnets, how do they work? I don't know.
Elijah Reyes
>What is moral/immoral? >Is morality objective or subjective? subjective >What is the ideal form of government? one where the people are put in their place and directed on what to do by a completely nonbiased government system. Pretty much 1984 or what says >Where do concepts come from, what are they? they are abstract idea made up in someone's brain >Do you value empiricism over deduction and conjecture? empiricism >What is truth? ideas that are verifiable through concrete evidence based on real world principles or events >Does a deity exist? no >Is abortion moral/immoral morality and immorality are social constructs, but with my definition of morality and immorality, yes >What is beauty? subjective >What does people value the most? power and influence over others >Do animals deserve rights? no >Do people deserve positive rights? (IE the right to food) no one deserves anything and if you are to get something you need to earn it yourself instead of waiting for it like an aristocrat >What are numbers? an system of belief used worldwide to measure value >Fucking magnets, how do they work? electrons atoms and shit
Lincoln Wood
>What is moral/immoral? morality is a social construct
Gabriel Harris
>>What is moral/immoral? Intrinsically, nothing. Morality and immorality are make-believe. >>Is morality objective or subjective? It doesn't exist at all, but if I absolutely had to say, I'd say it's subjective on an individual basis. >>What is the ideal form of government? None at all. >>Where do concepts come from, what are they? Neurons trying to make sense of the world and putting things into neat little mental boxes to avoid cognitive stress. >>Do you value empiricism over deduction and conjecture? Yes. >>What is truth? Things that are objectively observable, such as laws of physics and biology. >>Does a deity exist? No. >>Is abortion moral/immoral Nothing is moral or immoral. The concepts are irrelevant. >>What is beauty? That which tickles our aesthetics-perception neurons. 100% subjective. >>What does people value the most? Safety. >>Do animals deserve rights? No one and nothing "deserves" rights. If an animal allows itself to be killed, it has forfeited its right to live by committing the sin of not being capable of defending itself. >>Do people deserve positive rights? (IE the right to food) No. >>What are numbers? Glyphs that we use to signify quantity. >>Fucking magnets, how do they work? Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Landon Flores
>For example, if you pick up a wallet on the street and you keep all the money for yourself, you accept it that someone should do the same to you if you ever loose your wallet. Kantian ethics, *shudder*
Oliver Cruz
>shudder Why? I think it's pretty based.
Angel Morgan
I just find it so... impractical. It has no basis in irrefutable reality. What exactly stops me from doing unto others as I would *not* want them to do to me, if I can get away with it? From keeping the money, and then demanding that someone else return my wallet if they find it, since nobody needs to know? Other than this make-believe social contract thing? Please don't say "decency", because it's a cop-out that has the exact same problem.
Of course I don't want to start shit here, but can't stomach accepting a moral code that's this ignoreable, because it just means it's another daydream. Something like children making up rules for playing in a sandbox. I could only accept a code of ethics that would be utterly unbreakable because it'd be 100% in line with human nature and what we understand as free will. A "worthy master", I guess. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find one.
But of course, if your ethics empower you, then by all means live by them, user.
Logan Sullivan
>What is moral/immoral? "Moral" and "Immoral" are words that people use differently in different contexts. People don't have a single agreed upon definition, so it's hard for me to pick just one. In each of those contexts they are gesturing at different properties of actions, all of which exist. >Is morality objective or subjective? See above- sometimes it is objective (e.g., which actions does Yahweh approve of? Even if he doesn't exist there is still an objective answer to the question) and sometimes it is subjective (e.g., which of these actions would make me feel moral pride if I performed them?) . Those which reference the subject (me, I) in their definition are subjective. >What is the ideal form of government? Superintelligent benevolent AI dictator. "If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." But a superintelligent benevolent AI is, practically speaking, an angel. >Where do concepts come from, what are they? The brain? >Do you value empiricism over deduction and conjecture? No, you need some deduction to extrapolate anything from sense data. >What is truth? Baby don't hurt me >Does a deity exist? I would wager "no". >Is abortion moral/immoral 1. Define moral. 2. I don't like abortions. >What is beauty? A certain kind of pleasant response to a certain kind of pattern recognized. A neuroscientist could probably tell you more about it than I could. >What do people value the most? people are different and value different things. But I guess the most frequently most valued things are probably survival, sex, and love. (1/2)
Evan Williams
>Do animals deserve rights? Define "deserve". Define "rights". I would like people to treat animals well. >Do people deserve positive rights? (IE the right to food) Again, define "deserve". But basically yes, as our resources become more abundant we should raise the bar on what people get. That doesn't mean we should have bread lines, but maybe food stamps are a good compromise that still works mostly within the capitalist system? >What are numbers? Okay, mathematicians are like the ultimate Cartesian skeptics. They don't even trust their senses. They just assume a few simple ideas. Sets exist, and anything that exists can be an element of a set. So what can we put as elements of our sets? Maybe nothing. So that set with no elements we will call "0". But now, that's something that we know exists! So we can make another set with "0" as an element. Let's call it "1". Now both "0" and "1" exist. Let's put them both in a set together, and call it "2"! Etc. >Fucking magnets, how do they work? Moving charge generates a magnetic field. Every atom has moving electrons, but usually their orientations are random and cancel out. If you can get a bunch of atoms to line up nice though, you've got yourself a magnet. (2/2)
Hudson Sanders
>>What is moral/immoral? Immoral is anything where the consequences outweigh he benefits. There is no "moral". >>Is morality objective or subjective? i don't understand the question. >>What is the ideal form of government? ideally you have a supercomputer (or equally apt group of people) run everything >>Where do concepts come from, what are they? i don't understand the question. >>Do you value empiricism over deduction and conjecture? empiricism is preferred, but not everything is efficiently solved this way. >>What is truth? reality >>Does a deity exist? no >>Is abortion moral/immoral usually immoral, but justifiable. >>What is beauty? this question is unimportant. >>What does people value the most? ? >>Do animals deserve rights? >>Do people deserve positive rights? (IE the right to food) nothing "deserves" anything >>What are numbers? quantity >And finally, >>Fucking magnets, how do they work? positive/negative attraction
