Is there a dimension in which we can quantify consciousness?

There is a form of consciousness outside our plane of existence.

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but if we can not understand it even at the most base form of our understanding or our most infinite, wouldn't that reason something beyond us

What if the whole brain red

see your doctor

I think therefore I am

could you program the collective conciousness?

Depends if you believe in the possibility of transcendence really, doesn't it?

Of course

It's a part of their mind conditioning that make you think you need to quantify everithing.
You need to free your mind and get out of their psychic jail

nigger fuck off we arent ever going to learn shit about anything like this if we dont stop these fucking jews

literaly 70% of harvard students are fucking jews, who barely even do well, humanity is a joke

but you could get close. We already have mountains of information of basic information about peoples schedules and daily routines. its not unreasonable to think we could lead simulate existence

everyone knows jews breed pedophiles by producing pornography of girls that look like they're in high school. Thats old school shit

>we have made absolutely zero progress in actually understanding just what consciousness actually is.
Consciousness is the ability to perceive information, process it, then choose how to act on it.

It is an emergent property with no material base. Most people are very unconscoiois too due to the significant work required to reach higher states.

animals clearly have a different sense of reality and consciousness than we have .that can't be it

Be happy to remain ignorant. Do not question it.
I have the power to make you comprehend the truths eternal and send you to your conception of hell. However, I have pity.

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Nobody ever said consciousness was uniform across all minds. Obviously animals are on a different level of consciousness than the average human, but they still perceive, process, and act on stimuli.

That not consciousness. A robot could do all of those things without being conscious.

Robots can't make their own choices. It's called artificial intelligence for a reason.

The basis should be self awareness, I wouldn't know where to go from there. Wasn't there a study done of some animal who was given a mirror then a photo of the same animal with something on its person that it tried to investigate?

Then please, do it to me. Send me forth, that I may stay there.
How much worse is Hell than this reality, man?

robots 100% can make their own choices
>mars rover roving along
>sees bumpy path
>sees clear path
>ALGORITHM BEEP BOOP
>robot chooses clear path.

It perceived the information, processed it, and chose how to act. done being stupid?

Are your choices really your own if they're being influenced by electrical signals and the chemical composition of your brain at any given moment? What makes you any more able to make your "own" choices than a machine programmed to react to external stimuli?

Consciousness is universal

This will be proved in the next couple decades probably.

Its literally only possible if it's possible ***everywhere***

>algorithm
there's your answer
What makes peoples choices their own is responsibility for their actions. You are holding the steering wheel at all times, and nobody else can take it from you.

the basis for existence is knowing the difference between 1 and 2, yes and no. Robots most are to an extent creations of ours

There is no such thing as consciousness. We live in a completely deterministic world and what you call 'consciousness' is really just an illusion.

I'll illustrate - try keep your mind categorically blank for 2 minutes. You can't

The main difference between robots and humans is that circuitry will never result in true intelligence. Since the brain is organic, it can constantly and seamlessly rewire itself. Robots are basically just shitty versions of organic beings. Hopefully this will make some people think twice about transhumanism.

>Hur dur free will is an illusion

I wish all you fatalists and nihilists would just kill yourselves already.

>britcuck cucked himself out of his own belief in his existence as a sentient being

cliche

its true but it doesnt mean you cant mold yourself like clay with just sheer willpower

Wrong.. a lot of the breakthroughs in this arena are classified or hidden behind trade secrets..

The mind reading tech you see in shows black mirror already exist. It's even better because its wireless and they don't need implants or chips.

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you're the one who used the word 'process' jackass. That's what a processor does. Fuck off brainlet.

There's no rule that free will isn't an illusion. robots can make their own free decisions within their programming

of course. but first you need to stop playing word games and clearly define what you mean by consciousness. If it can be perceived by our senses, as consciousness clearly can, than it must exist in physical space. If your idea of consciousness boils down to 'magic' then you need to put down the bong.

>it can constantly and seamlessly rewire itself
you are so painfully dumb.

Take this shit to /x/

Thats the mirror test. Its an easy one to make but not the most comprehensive.
You sleep the bird, you put paint or some brightly colored token on his body but outside of their field of vision.
Then you present the bird with a mirror. If they identify the bird in the mirror as themselves, they'll know where the token is and they'll try to remove it from the right side of the body.
If they think the "other bird" is actually other, different bird, they wont know the token is there.
It obiously works with basically any animal with eyes, but birds are everywhere and its not like the safety bureaus would let you bring a bonobo to the lab just to stick some pogs on its neck.

Fun fact: Humans dont pass the mirror test until 18 months or so. So most babies are less human than magpies and most great apes.
Fun.

>not knowing what neuroplasticity is

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Dolphins, whales, gorillas, parrots, crows, and trees are all conscious beings

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That's the media's job.

You do it by using disinfo, but once people learn not to let ANY information influence their behavior towards chaos, you're out of luck. At that point the only option you have left if you want to influence someone's behavior is to do it at gunpoint.

Highest DMT surge at the point of death.

i dunno. you guys want me to blow my brains out and check?

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Dude, everything will be ok

The CIA have been vanquished

Tavistock lost the war.

Stand up straight man for the procession of the equinox

No.You could always humble yourself as a man, and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Some non believers are just too proud to accept the fact that there are things beyond our comprehension.

Be free

Do you accept Horus as your Lord and saviour?

>not being a materialist

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Materialism is idolatry of the flesh

you alright, user?

Words are idolatry of the mind.

w h a t e v e r .

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Yes, it's called Babel and Wittgenstein knew all about it. He said, there are no philosophical problems, only problems with language.

no bro the world is your oyster

That's why Plato and Pythagorus are the superior philosophers, as well as Thales.

Can you make your own choices?

When dying, the brain shuts off in stages.

First you lose the ability to use your frontal cortex, and this negates the ability to use complicated thought. If you've ever been asleep dreaming, and the dream is being stupid and you try to think your way out but can't, I imagine it's something like this.

Second you lose the ability to perceive time.

Now in the absence of higher thought and time perception, could this still be described as consciousness? Is consciousness defined by abstract thought? Do animals have consciousness? Insects?

sure they are

fuck off

Determinist-fag here, but with shades of grey.

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Sounds positively uninspired.
No total recall then?

lel

Well you could blow your brains out or get your head squished by a truck if going stupid before you die doesn't appeal to you

What a rather demonic image you little horror merchant.

How about correspondence with God.

If I were to say no, wouldn't I essentially be abdicating myself of all personal responsibility for my actions? If all of my actions were dictated by some darwinian survival instincts, wouldn't I be incapable of selfless actions?

No because action in conflict with conscience is wrong.

Are we reborn? Does it all fade to black? Do we retain consciousness and go to another plane of existence - do we lose our thought capabilities, regain them when our body 'dies', or become somehow smarter when not bound to a body?

Angels aren't free, that's why they envy humans. But are we truly free?

Unless you're choosing to perform an action or response with a determined level of thought - such as the goal of trying to achieve a specific outcome in the future with a specific method in the present by your choosing; your actions are inherently deterministic.

Basically, you have a possible range of responses to an event, and these responses cause a possible range of effects, leading to new events; so on and so forth.

Most of our thought processes are taken up by the immediate future and present, so most of our choices are deterministic

Consider the choices or determinisms that led up to this video being created, saved to a computer, and uploaded to the internet.

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yes, because you know you actually exist therefore you know that the fact you can think is the only one you can truely know. Since you are actually aware of that you may be wrong no matter what and you cannot actually predict what even can be wrong in your reasoning your bounded to always make a choice according to your honest opinion and the only things whose are 100% done when you make no matter what kind of decision are your intentions. Everything may not be even real like some kind of matrix, but your intentions always are.

Kermit means without envy.
Angels are the most free, they can fly.

Complete liberation of the spirit

I don't expect you to understand Islam.

I don't expect you to understand it either, my paki friend.

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I'm Antarctican.

Are thoughts material?

You don't like Sitar?

What's wrong with you?

You narrow minded bigot have closed your pineal gland completely. Drugged into low hum of being, disjointed with despair in the mirror of other races

Unlimited power

>Consider the choices or determinisms that led up to this video being created, saved to a computer, and uploaded to the internet.
What is "a" determinism?

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life without water is posible
but reality says no
but, same reality if didnt have trees,
would say trees are not posible to exist.
what is conscious ?
what does conscious say about this ?
nothing or both.
resume: conscious is retardation, a lie.
knowledge is also a lie.