Can someone explain this support of non-disruptive union stance...

>actual dirt covered plebians thinking they have any say into how the world is run

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yeah look at latin american , latin america has become such a first world country thanks to its obsession with unions

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I think that strikes by unions should be rare, mostly because I've seen unions that force the workers to go on strike even if there's nothing wrong, then they all get fired and replaced.
Unions are ineffectual in the age where Mexicans regularly hop the border and can be employed for way less in far worse conditions and never complain.
Get rid of the fucking illegals and begin trust busting procedures by the government. If the government refuses, and continues in its current state of corruption with their corporate bedfellows, then there is no choice but to take control of the government ourselves and forcibly rid ourselves of the authoritarian politicians and greedy corporatists, and set the nation right again. But we must be wary to keep out any Marxist, socialist, or similar authoritarian elements, we must ensure that the people have the ability to rise up if it happens again. The government and big business should fear the wrath of the free people, not the other way around. We hold onto our rights only as long as we hold onto our weapons. If you let it slip, the beast will rip you apart.

Unions seem to work in Europe

I guess they only work in white countries

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>thank a commie for laws that would have passed anyway with time without all the commie horseshit and using workers as cannon fodder against the national guard
All commies/syndicalists/anarchists/marxists/whateverthefuck need to be tortured until death.

>literally worthless person who has not done anything of worth in his life thinking he has any right to decide who has say in how the world is run

When its subhumans like you who oppose communism you know its right

Unions are nothing but supply-side collusion. When businesses collude it's "immoral" and "greedy" because they're the big guy. People support unions because they're sympathetic to the little guy, not because they're right.

Unions can be right about a lot of things, the first that comes to mind is working conditions and their frequent roles in improving them. If they didn't exist or weren't allowed to, it's fair to say some workplaces wouldn't be better off.

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None of this shit has to do with unions. I mean unions would have the power to implement these things, but in reality corporations do this on their own to attract more workers and for PR.

>People support unions because they're sympathetic to the little guy, not because they're right.
You're sort of right. Unions are meant to give workers power so that an owner can't treat his employees like cattle. If you remove unions, you get the current situation in America where both the right AND the left thinks big businesses are too powerful. The difference is that left faggots unironically want socialism in America even though that would result in a massive exodus of people and anarchy.

Unions have some of the most powerful lobbying groups in america.

That's somewhat true. Unions do have powerful lobbying groups but only for government jobs and public sector employment, like teachers, police officers (why you can shoot a nigga and get paid leave), city employees, etc. Someone working at a privately owned company (especially large ones) won't have much bargaining power at all because large businesses became very powerful in the last few decades. Also, unions only exist in the North East, Midwest, and parts of California. Everywhere else is ruled by corporations, which is why the South is full of migrants who work for 50 cents a day

>which is why the South is full of migrants who work for 50 cents a day
Really? I thought importing a surplus of labor would do that.

It's more subhuman to use innocent workers as cannon fodder so you can fulfill your revenge fantasies against people who made better choices in life than you (anyone from the middle class up). It's more subhuman to still support a socioeconomic system that was debunked shortly after it was born and then was proven wrong empirically for a whole century. And this is why you need to be tortured and killed without mercy. Because not only are you subhuman, but you're malignant too.

Capitalism is why you are a virgin.

You realize that corporations constantly try to violate these even though they are mandated by law, right? Unions fights for these because corporations were not willing to do it on their own.

How fucking ignorant of recent history can you be? This has all happened in the last 150 years.

A whole company is a much bigger thing than one worker. With unions there can be negotiations between sides at similar power level

Why do people conflate socialism and communism?

If it's a small business that isn't trying to exploit it's workers, the union doesn't have to do anything against them. An business owner can still be a cunt even if his business is small though, in those cases it's good if the workers can demand improvements.

>Why do people conflate socialism and communism?

Because fat is clogging up the brain arteries of the average american

> the union doesn't have to do anything against them
Bullshit, the union can only exist with union dues and will have to justify them somehow.
Stop pretending unions aren't subject to market forces like any other institutions. They're profit driven and will act as such.

neets like them think they can generate more neetbux through some kind of basement photosynthesis process

Because it's the same spectrum of retarded shit and none of it deserves to be distinguished. It's all the same at its core.

>They're profit driven
Money is too specific, you need to zoom out and only look at benefit (and of course getting money is a part of that).
The workers are driven by benefits of the workers and destroying good employers doesn't benefit the workers.

Workers aren't the ones controlling the unions, union bosses are.

Also, like anyone else, workers are driven by what they perceive to benefit them, not necessarily what does.

Nice take on history retard, read a fucking book some time.

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Please. You've never even read Kapital, like every commie. You literally can't teach me anything about it because, unlike you and your manginal "comrades", I actively read marxist literature.

Market forces favor unions that only work in the interest of the workers.
Sure there can be dumb or greedy unions, just like there can be dumb or greedy companies. Neither of those tend tend to fare well in a free market though.

I want to see a really rich franchise CEO do a social experiment where he allows one location in his empire to be run by socialist bottom-rung employees. Like, imagine your favorite fast food restaurant with zero managers on duty. The crew members are given access to manager functions like the store safe or whatever so that certain tasks don't become literally impossible. And the crew becomes entirely responsible for how their revenue is re-invested in the company. I want to watch as these people see why exactly their talents aren't worth anything more than the bare minimum and that they have nothing to offer the world, and that is why the more intelligent people managing them are the ones making the big bucks.