I'm a technical death metal drummer, and I can see that I will never fit into normie humanity ever again. Once you learn to think in tech death (day to day events inspire you to think about sweep guitar and blast beats) you will never go back.
Think about it. You see something that inspires you, and in your head some insane death metal is playing, but some normie will get inspired, and imagine some dog shit rap song, or katy parry pop garbage.
Any way, if you truly enjoy technical death metal, then there are parts of you that are just not compatible with normies. You can fight it, but it will never go away.
Normie music and entertainment teaches you to center your perception and feelings around what is "cool"
"Cool" is this artificial construct designed by capitalists to replace Merit. There is the real objective world of merit, where what you care about is based off of what is truly good, then there is the artificially constructed realm of "cool", where everything that is important in this world view is not based off of merit.
"Cool" is an alternate reality constructed by capitalists, and if you don't operate based off of what is "cool" then you must be locked into the world of Merit.
Metal fans live in a merit based world (objective skill on an instrument. Either you can play sweeps at 280 bpm or you can't) Where people who listen to pop music and rap live in a "cool" based world (Subjective opinion regarding whether or not the latest rapper is talented. No objective measure of worth, everything is decided by opinion).
Jacob Rivera
excuse me nintendo what the fuck is this text
Lincoln Peterson
Metal music is objectively mathmatically good (like classical) whereas hip-hop can only be seen as "good" through a subjective lens.
"cool" people live in a world of subjectivity, whereas a classically trained musician at least has an understanding of objective merit.
Someone please PROVE to me based on OBJECTIVE evidence that KODAK BLACK IS GOOD. (pro tip, you can't)
Xavier Smith
It's the same old shit ever again >UUh POp is JuSt for reTARds lamOO why cant tHeY HEAR the same MUciuc I HEAR Everyone says the exact same thing since the dawn of fucking music. People talked shit about the Beatles, people talked shit bout Led Zeppelin. Get over it. >Bu-But they're not the same! The answer is the same, so frick off
There's nothing more relevant than results, is hip hop effective enough, sort of is.
Elijah Perry
this but with more profanity
Aaron Young
death metal is awesome man c'mon :'(
Ryan Allen
There is no objective merit based system of ranking for modern music. Prove to me that Miley Cyrus has musical talent. What is objectively good about her music?
With metal bands can play measurably faster, measurably more accurate, measurably more techincal in various different categories. You have been trained to have no objective understanding of good, because pop music isn't measurably good in any objective way.
Classical music was objectively good in various measurable ways. Opinion shouldn't have anything to do with things being good or not.
Music and art shouldn't be subjective, and in the past they weren't. It's a capitalist scheme.
"Cool" didn't always exist. In the past, either you had merit, or you didn't. Now we have this abstract concept of "cool", where people are manipulated to agree that some bald criminal wearing jewelry yelling about being a criminal has merit some how. It's brainwashing, and it's so effective that only absolute autists like me can see it. The ruling class has separated merit from objectivity, which as a result has allowed them to select who is meritorious, and what merit is.
It allows them to select our role models, and in turn to control the masses with the narrative of what is currently "cool".
Grayson Hernandez
sounds like a pretty uncool conclusion tbqh
Christopher Long
>what is objectively good about her music Nothing. Just like for every music ever. Every 'objective", quantifiable element you could calculate in a piece of music is by default arbitrary. You basically draw a line in the sand and pretend that good music needs this, this and that.
>With metal bands can play measurably faster, measurably more accurate, measurably more techincal in various different categories I never said the contrary. Obviously good metal music requires a lot of skill and mastery to make, and one could very well argue more skill than a pop song. But I'd say pop requires another skill: perfecting the pop formula itself. Consider the following: why is it that pop songs are so popular? Is it because there is something that most people instinctively appreciate in this style of music? And if it is, do you really think big producers just tumbled upon it by accident? I'd say no: they perfected this craft, and they milk the fuck out of it until people get bored. It happened with rock in the early 2000, and we've hit PEAK TRAP right now, so the wheel is going to turn again, a new genre will rise, and the same cycle will repeat itself.
>Music and art shouldn't be subjective, and in the past they weren't. It's a capitalist scheme Art is subjective. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Who are you to say that something is not good? You just apply your own perspective and bias on a whole spectrum of cultural creations, and based on your subjective perceptions, say what is good and what is bad. having you preferences is fine, and you are entitled to think pop music is lazy and boring. And, I would honestly agree. But what I don't agree with is when you say that it is 'objectively" good or bad. This is bullshit.
Justin Myers
ok but does listening to video game OSTs make me autistic
Everyone grew up with games: be it m*llenials, Gen X , Y Z beta or whatever the fuck, you grew up with games. So yeah, most people listen to OST. My favorites are the songs from the Halo franchise: Combat evolved and 2 had some of the bets songs I've ever heard in a video game, not because they are catchy, but because they still send a chill down my spine all these years later
Logan Martinez
Pop music is objectively bad. It doesn't matter that objectively bad music had existed before. Now get some non-shitty music taste and stop listening to some loser talking about his drug addiction with background music.
David Gonzalez
that's definite autism but the good kind
Asher Harris
see this >implying I listen to pop lmeo
Elijah Carter
Are you 15?
Lincoln Edwards
nice I still listen to music from twilight princess from time to time. Just a game that stuck with me at that age
>why is it that pop songs are so popular? Not because they have any musical merit for sure. There is nothing musical about it. People just listen to it because they heard it on some movie or some advertisement or while shopping clothes. It is just this familiarity. They don't know how to get to real, actual music so they just listen to the crap by some boyish looking untalented musician because they heard it somewhere else. This music is objectively bad. It has no merit at all. There is no "craft" behind it. It is just predatory pandering.
You very clearly skimped over most of what I said, and just repeated the same dumb shit without taking a split second to re-evaluate your position, so yeah... Please go suck a fat one and come back when you'll be less underage
Nicholas Diaz
>You very clearly skimped over most of what I said No. But let me directly adress it then: Art is not Subjective Art does not lie in the eye of the beholder. This is not a disagreement over which taste is better, people have different tastes But the problem here is that this "art" is consumed by people who don't even know if they like the music
Austin Rogers
Then please tell me, O grand master of Music, God of Music, Muse, what are the objective criterion of Music? And if you know them, why are you not making some yourself and get massive success with your deep and infinitely good art?
Reductive thinking like this is the kind of dumb shit backward people said about every new movement. Take some fucking perspective and grow up.
Levi Thompson
As far as metal goes, I listen to Tool and some stoner metal. Am I a normalfag?
Ryan Richardson
Take the 32nd Sonata of Beethoven for example See how much you can dissect each motif, each melody. See how much thought he put into it and made music that is 200 years beyond his time. Compare this to some shitty modern music that has to literally edit the music files to make them more compact to be heard With the musical knowledge I have I can already write music way better than some Selena Gomez can write in a million years. But how will that compare to the genius of the classics?
Mason Harris
Are you saying music has to be complicated to be enjoyable?
Jaxson Sanchez
Oh wowzie wowzers, It's almost as if you just picked an element you thought made this song good and think to yourself: "If I like this one because of this, then it must mean everyone must like it as well and every music ever should have this!" Your brain still hasn't assimilated the concept of subjectivity or individuality. You quite literally have the mental ability of a 3 year old when it comes to applying judgment upon yourself. Grow the fuck up already
Carter Hernandez
There is no such thing as complicated music But you can definitely see how good a piece of music is once you dissect it into the basics. >Your brain still hasn't assimilated the concept of subjectivity or individuality You can perfectly see the individuality of people in actually well-made music In modern trash music there is no individuality. Just what the record-companies allow. So it is pretty much the other way around. So tell me, why should I care about "growing up" into a culture made for subhumans?
Oliver Peterson
And apparently you don't even have simple reading comprehension. Looks to me like a lost cause.
