Reminder that Firefox leaks your ip address to the open web.
Joseph Cooper
Ring and Riot.im
David Perry
how do I prevent this?
Caleb Kelly
>anons shilling IM apps You need to realize all this shilling doesn't work, you WILL use what the normies you want to talk to use. My boss exclusively uses viber, while my family uses telegram and my wife uses duo.
Andrew Bell
uBlock Origin > disable pre-fetching
>you WILL use what the normies you want to talk to use. No I won't. They'll use whatever I use. How beta are you?
Ryan Stewart
Nope, signal needs your fucking phone number to set up an account
David Ward
>They'll use whatever I use How self centric are you? >Hey guys, I don't use that app because it doesn't respect your freedom, use < X > app, no it's not on the store so you need to sideload it, sideload? oh, it means you need to download the apk, install it, then use it, the conversation? no it won't be migrated over, features? no it just for texting why you need bloat? updating? no, you need to do that manually....Guys? where are you going? why are you ignoring me?
Jackson Sanchez
Burn in hell, faggot.
Anthony Johnson
>unlock with fingerprint now it's even less secure! >unique sounds useless feature creep >revampled backup features shouldn't be backing shit up in the first place >register phone with signal jesus fucking christ
Isaiah Carter
>How self centric are you? Just as much as any other person
Caleb Ramirez
An app not being open source should be an immediate disqualifier, and not just one "red flag".
If a piece of software is proprietary, all bets are off in regards to its security.
>Not using a custom built Raspberry Pi rig in the current year
Christopher Scott
Raspberry Pi is not open source
Zachary Bell
what's the open web?
Michael Williams
not killing yourself because you're not open source
>but muh dna
but muh machinecode
Brayden Ramirez
This.
Lucas Perry
So Wire is the definitive, secure open source messaging app?
Gavin Wilson
Yes. It's a shame their desktop client is poorly made.
Thomas Flores
Ah, crud. Poorly made how? That might be a deal breaker for me, I need the desktop client to be good. It's the main reason I even bother with Telegram tbqh
Leo Cook
>look at all these Signals, Wires, Riots and Telegrams! so much choice, surely one of them will be good >oh dear, looks like they all suck in one way or another >looks like i'm sticking with Skype, WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger
Dominic Price
It's better than any Tox client desu I like it.
Jose Mitchell
the web version is alright. there's no RPM for it. i've had issues with video chats and screen sharing. i hope they carry on improving it though.
Daniel Rivera
I'm trying to get my family to transition to a more secure messaging app. I personally like how Threema looks but from what I've seen, it doesn't support video calling (yet, if ever), which is a required feature. The licensing also kind of sucks since it would make it more difficult to convince people to switch to it.
I had already installed Signal before remembering about Wire. Aside from Signal being based in the US, any reason for me switch over to Wire?
If I have to use a messaging app with video calling, I sure as hell don't want to use WhatsApp or Viber, or anything in that tier.
Jason Roberts
also they need a PWA
Tyler Campbell
Electron
Ian Evans
Here's from personal experience. It's functional and perfectly stable, just doesn't seem to be a priority right now.
I just tried out the .deb on Debian Sid and I have this strange bug that I also experienced with Signal Desktop. I'm using i3, and whenever I get a message, the messaging program just freezes up, and must be restarted for me to be able to see the message.
Web version works fine though.
I wonder if AppImage version would be any different
Daniel Wood
no, read their privacy policy. You can get banned for commiting crime and they have all your contacts
Jacob Russell
So which one do you prefer
Hunter Cooper
i use signal but am looking into decentralized e2e messaging
Isaiah Fisher
>Server open source Signal shills get out Also >Not using XMPP
William Martin
>can't convince my normalfag friends to switch to Signal or Wire
Are there bots, stickers, and my friends in the platform? >no Well guess I know what I'm using then
Jacob Myers
kill yourself fuck wit
Jose Roberts
Facebook messenger has pizza ordering bots
Carter Ward
>people use IM apps for anything but Jow Forums groups All my friends just text eachother. Like with our phone numbers...
Caleb Nguyen
Just don't talk to them otherwise. Worst case scenario, you lose some friends. Ponder over if you think it's worth it or not. I stopped using discord, and I talk to my friends far less now. But it was worth it. I'd rather have no friends than be forced to use botnets like that.
Julian Adams
SMS is plaintext over the air. Your service provider is performing analytics on what you text and sells that information.
Samuel Gomez
That's just the SDK they are building it against.
Lincoln Powell
Hmm, looks to me like Signal is winning there apart from some arbitrarily placed red flags.
Henry Mitchell
>now it's even less secure! You don't have to use it. Adding it as an option does not reduce the overall security.
>shouldn't be backing shit up in the first place Are you for fucking real?
>>register phone with signal >jesus fucking christ Signal is an SMS app, just like iMessage. It's kinda important that it needs your phone number and this lock is there so that if someone, say, takes out your SIM card and sticks it in another phone they can't just re-register in Signal and get messages that are sent to you.
Gabriel Lee
but I'm already on 4.18
Jack Sanders
Trash chart - riot has basically 0 red if you host your own server which is the only secure solution.
Jordan Hernandez
>they have all your contacts Nobody cares. They could easily fix this in future. Same how they released the server source code along with Signal releasing it, and enabled encryption by default. >crime e2e encryption, they wouldn't know if you're committing a crime. Just don't name yourself "drug_dealer69" and you'll be fine.
Signal is not an option since it needs a SIM card.
Switch, anyone who's your friend will at least use one of those to contact you.
>bots They exist for wire and riot >stickers Useless bloatware. Wire supports GIFs.
>SMS Featureless, insecure and outdated technology. Also requires SIM cards.
>arbitrarily Like what? As far as I'm concerned it's far behind Wire simply because it's too dependant on having a mobile number. Wire can be used even if you're not interested in the mobile version or don't use SIM cards.
It's comparing the defaults. And you don't host a "riot" server, you host a matrix server. It's not comparing protocols.
>when they do it its ok >when I do it it's self-centric Man up you pathetic little beta faggot. I forced my peers to use conversations when I abandoned telegram for their homebrew crypto and overall shit security and whatsapp for basically being illegal and a Facebook spy
Disregard the title of the video, listen to what Snowden says.
>Signal is the gold standard right now for security >If you don't want to share your phone number for it, register it with a burner number with one of those apps that let you do that >Alternatively, use Wire
... Are you fucking retarded? Not only is Matrix free software, it's federated.
> Can messages be read by the company? Yes.
If "the company" is the Riot folks, you're wrong. Technically the operators of the Matrix homeserver (if you're using it) can read you messages, but only if you don't use encryption (which you should be).
Also
> self-destructing messages
Literally the most useless feature. When I used Signal, I would use the "conversation prune" feature (which is *actually* useful) because what I care about is if *my* phone is taken from me that the amount of data on it is limited.
Ian Morales
>still no desktop version >still requires phone number >still no 2FA >still no video call
nice try
Aaron Bennett
The desktop client has existed for a long time Dude
Levi Reed
it's garbage and can hardly be considered a desktop version
Dominic Sanchez
But that means no notification channels, no notification badges, no notification snoozing, no Picture in Picture etc