Reasons for avoiding the botnet?

what is this "privacy" ?

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Ask him for his passwords. He can trust you, after all, your his brother, right? he has nothing to hide ;)

Why do we wear clothes?

Why do you react the way you do when someone walks in on you dancing in front of a mirror or something similar?

Privacy is a human need.

they will not understand it
Google is their daddy and Facebook their mommy.
"Daddy and mommy can do no wrong, daddy and mommy love me."
And when they grow up, they want to be just like daddy or mommy.

Unless you're doing something you don't want to be seen, there's no real reason. There are some people who are uncomfortable with it, which is fine, but there are others who think of themselves as part of some political struggle for freedom. The truth is though the problem of surveillance of targeted advertising are really only products of Capitalism, which is why it's so confusing to see people rally against corporations and governments for certain actions but then take no steps to further analyse how we reached this point to begin with, and how we might solve the issues beyond simply resisting the inevitable.
Avoiding botnets is something for the individual, due to the nature of technology that option is always going to be there, and that's good. What we're not going to do is roll back the influence of surveillance in the more commonly used aspects of the internet or software without first radically changing society.
Either use FOSS for your own reasons or turn your pointless individual action into an encompassing ideology to challenge the foundations of society with.

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if you don't think privacy is ok because people shouldn't have much to hide, then you should feel similarly about freedom of speech because people shouldn't have much to say.
Hiding things is not intrinsically evil.

Are you retarded? Google don't ask you for this. You use their services and accept them doing this because you use their services

Things that are today considered normal might not be legal in the future. Refer to #metoo.

Unplugged internet cable best choice

I don't know OP, maybe ask this guy.
youtube.com/watch?v=QNsePZj_Yks (skip two minutes).

Privacy is for everyone because everyone has something to hide whether they admit/know it or not. If you have nothing to hide post a pic of yourself naked, your SSN, credit card number, and birthday, your secret crushes on your friends, your browsing habits, your dreams and desires, your everything.

Saying you have nothing to hide is a lie told by the ignorant.

As crazy as Alex Jones may seem to normies (he does say some stupid shit out of content). He's completely right about the big picture, this is what they want.

I also use wifi

I wonder if he's aware this is 18 years old plot of computer game. Creepy how prophetic it was.

What's your point exactly? Google should do whatever they want because we agree to their policy and use their service?

You're not wrong but that doesn't say whether you believe privacy is important or not.

"Privacy" isn't really that important. Sometimes things like no script are nice because they ensure security, but privacy can be kind of a meme. Data mining is a little unethical, but you don't need to care. Intelligence agencies probobly already have ways of bypassing and "measures" you put in place. If he does some illegal shit, then he can just isolate services. Use "botnet" things for normal work and school, and then boot up and use a service like i2p for cp

Literally this. China's social credit is terrifying, and if you think your government won't try something similar, you're delusional.

Also, big companies constantly barter your data and then use that data to psychologically manipulate you in ways that are difficult to spot, even if you know about them.

Also, even if you're doing something that's fine and acceptable now, it's only a matter of time until something you did in the past is no longer deemed socially acceptable. We're seeing that now with people digging up "misogyny" from dudes and businesses from the 60s. Imagine if there was an entire database of that dirt on you. Spoiler: there is.

Also, companies especially in the video game industry are patenting ways to do dynamic pricing. The insurance industry has been doing similar things for decades. There are profiles on you right now with information about your probability of having various diseases based on your search history, your preferences for different things, you susceptibility to different marketing techniques. It WILL affect the prices you see for different products and services.

Shit sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it's 100% true. Normies are finally waking up to this shit with all the Cambridge Analytica drama. Only problem is, they're still retarded and think only those dirty republicans have been doing it, when the reality is that all sides of the fence have been doing it for years.

Being autistic about privacy is like a dentist being autistic about dental health. If he doesnt care it doesnt matter unless it becomes a problem

who's that qt

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But I don't use Google at all, yet they still try to snoop their noses in my life.

>qt
Low standards user.

yes, i have pretty low standards. sorry user.

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Alice Quinn played by Olivia Dudley on the TV show The Magicians

>Literally this. China's social credit is terrifying, and if you think your government won't try something similar, you're delusional.
This is the only genuine problem you've found.
>Also, big companies constantly barter your data and then use that data to psychologically manipulate you in ways that are difficult to spot, even if you know about them.
Who cares? I make my own buying decisions.
>Also, even if you're doing something that's fine and acceptable now, it's only a matter of time until something you did in the past is no longer deemed socially acceptable. We're seeing that now with people digging up "misogyny" from dudes and businesses from the 60s. Imagine if there was an entire database of that dirt on you. Spoiler: there is.
This could be really bad, except no company would dare to share non-public information and risk lawsuits. Unless privacy laws get upended completely, only stuff you choose to share publicly carries a significant risk of this.
>Also, companies especially in the video game industry are patenting ways to do dynamic pricing. The insurance industry has been doing similar things for decades. There are profiles on you right now with information about your probability of having various diseases based on your search history, your preferences for different things, you susceptibility to different marketing techniques. It WILL affect the prices you see for different products and services.
If they're not doing it by IP, clear your history. If they are, it sucks but they'll probably think twice because it causes them issues as well.
>Shit sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it's 100% true. Normies are finally waking up to this shit with all the Cambridge Analytica drama. Only problem is, they're still retarded and think only those dirty republicans have been doing it, when the reality is that all sides of the fence have been doing it for years.
The CA thing is in no way a normal occurrence. Stop pretending it is.

thanks user.

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>I make my own buying decisions
I wish I was still on the blue pill like you.

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Privacy is very rarely important because of what the person you give your information to might do. Privacy is important as a means of limiting what damage you could possibly sustain, such as identity theft/stalking/harassment. If a hostile government or individual gets your information, who knows what they'll do with it? Blackmail? Fraud? Outright arrest or denial of service?

youtube.com/watch?v=pcSlowAhvUk&t=1s

Obviously there will always be some minor influence just from things like packaging, but don't make obvious mistakes like talking to salespeople and you've already got it mostly covered.

people don't know how to use real words to describe anything anymore.

If you wanna fuck bitches you need an iPhone feelsbadman

go back
I was going to say that it is a big dead meme but this user may have a point

Let say that you are sick, and search for your diseases on Google.

What restrains Google to use this info for advertising purposes, even tho this is something really private?
Or worse, Google can sell this information to your health insurance (that they know because you log in on their website using Google Chrome), who can then increase your rates

it also fucking predicted 9/11

that'll make insurance cheaper for healthy people
if you don't want people to know you have AIDS, then maybe don't be a degenerate homo and don't get it in the first place

the problem there is not lack of privacy, but literal socialism
if companies were for-profit with no infetterence from the government, they wouldn't give a fuck about your shitposting history as long as you weren't a complete degenerate

Oh dear, seems we've got an ancap in here...

The ONLY reason companies "don't give a fuck" IS BECAUSE OF PRIVACY LAWS you fuckface.

his argument stands for pretty much everything though.
search for basejumping gear? woops your rates went up
go on Jow Forums? woops you're on a watchlist
talk badly about a local politician? woops you're on the local police shitlist and get pulled over frequently but have no idea why
talk about feeling sad on twitter? woops that flagged you as a mental health risk, you can't buy a gun

you should be able to use the internet without it coming back to bite you later unless you expressly post it publicaly using your real name, except in cases where you speak of an imminent threat against other people. basically the same rules as a therapist, lawyer, etc.
that's pretty much as far as the argument needs to go

>search for basejumping gear? woops your rates went up
this is good
everything else you mentioned is because of government opression
so, explain to me again why owners care more about my political orientation than their pocket?
how much money are they willing to give up, specifically?
and assuming this was true and in an unregulated market employers would require detailed personal information, what would stop me from finding companies that like my personal history and ideology more than the next guy?

She looks like a young Patricia Arquette.

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Because your political views might be a threat to the capitalist status quo. See: Unions, socialists, leftists, etc.

>this is good
good luck when someone asks to use your phone and searches 10 known flags and you have to try to explain it wasn't you to every organization that buys data

also the not buying a gun and everything else can be abused by companies just as much as the government.

>company won't hire you after a background check even though you really just had a single bad day but it got mined and now is part of this magical record about you, all because you don't like a certain person/politician/went on Jow Forums/etc. etc. etc.

its a quick way to having people give up using the internet. can't even buy a pornhub subscription now because my boss will find out i purchased it when doing his monthly review of all of his employees data

>looked at potential jobs in my area just to get an idea of what's out there
>boss hates you and thinks you're trying to leave and not really part of the team

it's like giving people who have money to throw at buying this data the ability to partially read your mind. it's fucked up and weird.

If it's a normalfag then the privacy argument won't directly work. I can still think of 2 things you can say to try and influence him though
>remind him of the recent Facebook scandal and how they leak confidential user data with third parties that can use that data for whatever they want

>Tell him that the more companies that have his data, the more susceptible his information is to be hacked or stolen. Remind him of all the big retail hacks in the past few years (target comes to mind) and Equifax.

user... your last question there reveals your misguided general assumption. Competition only exists because of regulation. Without it, most industries would immediately collapse into oligopolies or even monopolies because economies of scale provide huge advantages.

There is no such thing as a free market, due to this simple fact: governments create markets.

Here's an easy one; security. Time and time again governments and corporations have been hacked exposing sensitive user information ranging from credit reports, mortgage documents, bank details, emails, login details including passwords and other personal information. Who is held responsible? Nobody. They are free to collect personal identifying information about anybody, they are not compelled to keep it secure as possible. They can cut costs and run a very insecure system to log all data possible and if somebody hacks into it and retrieves sensitive information that can be used to commit fraud i.e taking loans out in somebody else's name or steal valuable accounts who is held responsible? Not the group who managed it. You become responsible for your own data that was used and abused by somebody else.

Imagine applying this logic to the real world: Imagine your car is stolen and person uses it to rob the bank. Are you responsible for any damages to the car and any damages to the bank and theft of any money? No. So why do we have to sort out other peoples fuckups like changing out banking details and freezing our own credit and changing all of our own login information while some big rich company where CEO's earn $40million a year not including bonuses get to sit idle and not have to worry about any repercussions? If they WANT TO collect this information SO BADLY they they should damn well be held FUCKING ACCOUNTABLE when the information is mishandled, used and abused and ultimately lost. You would get your fucking ass reamed hardcore if you worked in a big corporation and mishandled or leaked trade secrets.

Your information is worth a lot of money, so he's basically just working for free all the time.
That data also frequently gets leaked and makes him a target for scams.

>IMPLYING YOU CAN AVOID THE BOTNET
ITS A MOOT POINT

DO NIGGER CATTLE WORRY ABOUT HAMBURGERS, JUST RELAX GOY

I mean, if you're trying to philosophically argue for privacy, you merely need to point out how much the law has changed in 10/50/100 years; even if he's not doing anything that's illegal right now, that could very well change in the future.

If you're trying to practically argue that he should go full tinfoil hat, full OPSEC is a painful process that requires meticulous upkeep. Assuming you don't want to be hyper-vigilant, you have to make tradeoffs here and there.

This is easy with most brainlet normies
Tell him without privacy
Dumb people are easily manipulated by russians in the elections
And the drumpf is elected
So he needs privacy, because he's probably not as smart as he thinks he is
And he needs to get other people privacy
Because they are definitely dumb

Then just let the CNN brainwash kick in and he'll do anything you tell him.

>All these retarded "Gimmie ur credit card number" "arguments"
Fucking morons.
Just point out that huge companies gathering tons of information on you just puts that info at risk. Point to the Equifax leak and say that huge corporations/the government are not invulnerable. If their data stores are breached, it's a fucking disaster. On top of that, it is also worth pointing out that Equifax kept the leaks hushed up for over a month so their executives could sell their company stock. You might want to talk about the Cambridge Analytica shit too, if the normie is left wing. That should rile them up a bit.
Make it clear that it does not matter if the person collecting data has malicious intent or not. If you try to tell the normie that the government/Jewgle cannot be trusted, then they will simply shut down and brand you as a crazy "conspiracy theorist" because that is how they have been taught to think.

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Explicit me what exactly is wrong with all you stated.

cp is not a meme

there's a reason the 4th amendment exists, it's about time SCOTUS recognizes that personal info shared to services is part of your castle and not allow anyone to intrude upon them

caring what normies think

Silly OP

I hope you paranoid brainlets realize that the 7 extra dimensions are not secret planes of consciousness, but rather compacted into a geometric shape known as calabi yau manifold which interact with strings to create fundamental particles. And the holographic principle relates to black holes and the info stored at the event horizon, not some edgy matrix tier simulation.

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You seem uninitiated, son. Light a couple o' joints and listen to Joe Rogan #911 with Alex Jones. Guaranteed you won't regret it.

i dont think you know what a meme is desu

>Alex Jones

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>event horizon
>storing info

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>The holographic principle was inspired by black hole thermodynamics, which conjectures that the maximal entropy in any region scales with the radius squared, and not cubed as might be expected. In the case of a black hole, the insight was that the informational content of all the objects that have fallen into the hole might be entirely contained in surface fluctuations of the event horizon. The holographic principle resolves the black hole information paradox within the framework of string theory.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle

Is the picture supposed to be you? Read a book, downy.

required watching
youtube.com/watch?v=sKOk4Y4inVY

I know "Milhouse is not a meme" is a meme.
You think everything you don't like is a meme.
But weather you like something or not, or think it's stupid or not, doesn't make it a meme.
People talking about something a lot, doesn't make it a meme.
People talk about sex, but sex is not a meme.
People use the word "I" and "is" and "are" and "a" a lot, but that doesn't make those words memes.
"Privacy" is a word, it's not a meme.

The word meme is a combination of memory and gene.
It is an idea/memory/concept you can transfer. You can change the specifics, but the idea/memory/concept remains the same.
The simple example is a picture with text on it, The image usually stays the same while the text changes. The idea is still the same, but you apply it to other scenarios.
We can limit it to unfunny ideas if we must and then it becomes "everything you don't like is a meme".
I agree that expanding it to all concepts, then everything is a meme and the whole "is x a meme?" question would be irrelevant.
But if the question is "is x an unfunny joke?", then it still makes sense to ask the question.

Free the mind from it's prison of fear.

Everyone is already enlightened. We just pretend really hard not to be.

Everything is perfect just the way it is. I am.

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I don't think that's a real quote

The privacy mindset is not currently necessary, but it's a good mindset to have.
also, the ways they use to collect your data aren't 100% secure and can be exploited.

Google/Microsoft/Amazon/Facebook has more information on you than any government.
They have the ability to control what you read and write.
They can sway public opinion by nudging and grooming us with political messages.
They can do this to you specifically because they know so much about you.
When you have so many individuals, civilization is handed to whoever is on top of these multinationals.

Privacy is not about you, but about civilization as a whole.

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memes are essentially shared ideas which people reproduce desu of course sex can be a meme and so can privacy

Its not about privacy its about manipulation, for starters you get manipulated into buying things, and thats the basics. It wouldn't surprise me if the tidepod challenge was a experiment to test the waters

Did you mean infetterence in the meme-y way?

>Explicit me what exactly is wrong with all you stated.
Explicit me what exactly is wrong with killing children by beating them to death. Can't do it huh?

1. it is a meme in the "classical" sense because it's an idea
2. in cases like this "meme" is taken to mean something like "cliche" or "fallacy" or "buzzword"

Why should I pay more for the same insurance like my neighbor just because I have different interests?

i just search for convenience, not privacy

Tell normies that both Android and iOS listen in constantly, store the audio, and give them targeted ads based on that audio
Honestly though, it's a lost cause to convince braindead people about anything

calm down alex

caring what normies think, lol

This is bullshit. Privacy doesn't protect us from this, laws does. The reason why China sucks is because their laws. Ergo, you don't need to fight for your privacy, nor try to avoid using programz that can (but don't) abuse the info you give them.

Consider this. In that scenario you describe is irrelevant if you give your info or not. The simple fact you are trying to hide means you will not have access to these services.

This is why the "muh botnet" philosophy of Jow Forums falls apart. If the Big Brother exist, then trying to avoid the botnet puts you, in fact, on a more dangerous situation than if you simply use Windows and faps to 2d lolis.

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This might be the dumbest opinion I have read on Jow Forums

AHAHAAHA

AHAHAHAHA

LMAO

>But you can't bring that gun in here, this is a gun free zone!
>Why am I bleeding?

Laws only stop those that are willing to follow them.

Someone give this user a fucking medal.
Like businesses with profits to lose, you mean?

I believe that I've read or heard this before somewhere.

And those who break it are either too stupid or too powerful. If the government or big companies doesn't give a fucking about laws, then it is useless to use Linux or Brave Browser to "try" to protect your privacy. You are already logged and monitored and trying to avoid them just puts you in a higher priority.

You have to try though because the alterative is just rolling over and letting them fuck you dry. This is what they want, so good job you statist cuck.

The problem is not the government, but people that can use the government door to abuse your data.
Using devices and operating systems with backdoors are like allowing the government to install a shitty wooden door that "only they can open" on your house.
Even if it was a good door, it would still mean that someone could just go, steal the government key and use it to rob all the houses.

Alright, let me have your credit card number then. Because when we lack privacy, it doesn't just make it easier for governments and companies to access your shit, but for criminals as well.

When you undermine privacy and freedom, you dishonor the memories of those who gave their lives to defend those privileges. Our nation was built upon those two ideals and they were meant to protect us from tyranny.

fuk why are girls so nice