Nani???

What's this? Ooooh it's libreboot preinstalled think pads, that's really nic-
What's that!?
>Love Libreboot? Help its founder....
uhm... no?

maybe it's just me and have browsed to much Jow Forums but this actually repels me from buying. Am I a bigot? I just think it's a mental health issue and I think a sex change isn't gonna help in the long run. Am I naive and ignorant or am I redpilled?

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a product is a product, who gives a fuck what the seller does with the money. If the tranny in question was physically touching the computers, that'd be a different story however.

but i will say,
the only value in a (mtf) tranny is their penis. Otherwise they're just a frankenstein freak.
please relay this message to it.

Honestly the best thing you could do is NOT fund someone doing that to themselves.

What is a greater act of love, giving someone money to mutilate themselves, or taking a stand and saying no?

It's like giving an alcoholic another bottle of whiskey, or a drug addict more heroin.

I agree with you, user.

This is ridiculous.

there are quite a few brands/shops i don't give money to out of principle. you're not obliged to part with your money if you do not want to. it should be quite simple.

Didn't know Jow Forums is such a bigot.

What's wrong with making people happy?
It's not for you to decide what's good for someone else.

You're mentally a commie. You believe you are entitled to telling people what to do with their money. That's no red pill. But you are indeed entitled not to pay a cent.

wouldn't a commie not even have the choice in the first place and just get what's given?

Perhaps. Regardless, that "i know what's better for you" attitude is a very leftist thing. Red pilled people value freedom.

I'm a guy, I shave, and I'm usually the "girl" in a relationship with girls.

Why having a vegan would change anything???

Just... Be effeminate. I don't support the recent rising of these people, thinking removing a penis would kill his (desires) I guess..
Just cut your balls, don't cut everything...

Red pilled people can spot harmful behavior and want to prevent it. They seek treatment for the mentally ill, they don't encourage them to cut their dicks off and dilate for the rest of their shortened balding lives

"leftist" is socialist economy. you can have libertarian lefties that do value "freedom", and ones who want to be told what to do, aka commies

I don't actually think your stigma has to do with sex change and that shit at all. I think sex change was a consequence of the poor sick mindset that thing they call a founder has, and both yours and my stigma are because of this.

> No way to close it
> It's on literally every page on the website

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>who gives a fuck what the seller does with the money
I do, I feel morally obligated to. Most of the time you don't know where money is going and then ignorance is bless, but at situations as these I feel like the best thing is to NOT give money. It might seem harsh but I think its better. Like this user said How is this gonna make the person happy in the long run though? I don't think happiness is found by a dissatisfaction of your own body and the reality. Happiness is found in the acceptance of it.
>commie
fuck off, I might not be a hardcore lolbertarian like you but that's because I don't want people degenerate themselves with my resources. How is that commie?
>Red pilled people value freedom
I'm exercising freedom by not buying this and voicing my opinion about it. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything with their money, but I'm voicing my opinion. Isn't that more redpilled than just passively consuming without considering the morality behind it?

Are all gnufags mentally ill?
They either eat dead skin from their foot, want to cut their dicks off with an axe or are literally schizos thinking the big bad guvmnt is monitoring their loli collection
I just can't seem to find any stallman follower that is sane. They're all certified loonies

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Not really, you're just being an obnoxious dick like vegans, leftists, commies, etc. Red pilled people don't give a fuck about what others do as long as they aren't harming you.
It's the pursuit of happiness that the American constitution defends. It's the liberty for each individual to pursue his own happiness.

You are wasting your life with caring about irrelevant matters which you blow up to social issues. You are no different from the average "political" tumblr or college student activist.

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So happy to see everyone here also agrees with the hostility towards Mozilla's anti-gay CEO back a few years ago.

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>May I ask, does the NHS not provide such surgery? Why travel to Thailand?
>They do, but it's crap. With most surgeons, you get inferior vaginal depth (like 3-4 inches, maybe 5 if you're luck), very little lubrication (you have to lube up when using it, or you risk tearing on the inside), you need genital hair removal (and it could theoretically grow back, causing pain), inferior appearance compared to a cis person's vagina, also you often lose sensation and so on. The surgeon that I'm seeing (Mr. Suporn, in Thailand) uses a proprietary technique which nobody else uses. He guarantees at least 6-7 inches in depth, superior self-lubrication, no need for genital hair removal either, the cosmetic appearance is almost identical to a cis person's vagina, and superior sensation (e.g. you can orgasm, and it feels like that of a cis woman's vagina). Basically, Suporn is the best surgeon on earth. He's widely regarded as one of (if not the) best surgeons on earth. He's also retiring in 2019, so it's crucial that I see him this year.
what the fuck.. normal people have to support this sick stuff with their tax money?

This. I'm far left politically, but yeah, I don't see the social value in giving someone with serious identity issues a permanent surgical "solution," that has been scientifically demonstrated to increase their odds of suicide by a factor of four or more. Imho the whole gender bender thing is really late stage individualism. People need class consciousness. They need the struggle with something other than the voices in their heads. Man I'm just sad now.

The Free Software movement is academically driven. Academia is where people that are sufficiently good at their shit go to be eccentric and get away with it.

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sounds like straight up bullshit like homeophaty.
If doctors in the first world could offer that while guaranteeing patient safety they would do it already. If he plunges the axe deeper there must be some sort of side effect civilized doctors don't want to deal with.
Also, better self lubrication? how the fuck is your dick going to get the axe wound wet? Precum sure are shit isn't gonna be enough to fill up a 7 inches deep wound

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where the fuck did you get the "tax money" part from?

Had a close friend from uni undergo MtF (always thought it was bound to happen). She's fucking happier than a pig in shit nowadays. Attends cons and cosplays a ton and does some sort of work for Lockheed Martin. She 75% passes, it's always the hands that give it away. But hey, she's happy and a fuckload more outgoing post-transition. It's not always a failure, user.

>Academia is one giant circlejerk of people who are of no actual use to anybody
ftfy
it's 10x more true for FSF

>she's happy
he's*

>He guarantees at least 6-7 inches in depth, superior self-lubrication, no need for genital hair removal either, the cosmetic appearance is almost identical to a cis person's vagina, and superior sensation (e.g. you can orgasm, and it feels like that of a cis woman's vagina
how delusional can you be to actually believe this
you can't chop off your dick and expect it to be exactly like a vagina
jesus

>FSF
>people who are of no actual use to anybody
>gnu.org/software/software.html
kys

>proprietary technique

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>how delusional can you be to actually believe this
About tranny levels of delusional my dude

Ever thought that you might be contributing to the problem?

Sounds like he was one of the "lucky" ones who didn't end up regretting it right away. "75% pass rate" doesn't bode well for his future though.

no no no you see the gnu philosophy doesn't apply to them
stallman can fly in planes running proprietary computers because reasons
this crazy faggot can use proprietary surgery methods because reasons
just don't question your leaders

This, such "treatment" is by all definition a non-treatment. They literally cannot reliably treat gender dysphoria, and some studies supposedly show better life outcomes by allowing to transition, so they enable them under the guise of "treatment". And in the medical industry, there's always money to be made, so of course some doctors will push to legitimize such practices if it means making a business out of it.
If a person ask to have his arm removed because he's not comfortable with it, most doctors will refuse. Family members will object. If a person has an eating disorder and suffers anorexia, they can be forcibly institutionalized against their will if family members can claim guardianship over them. In such case, family members, doctors, and the general public will go out of their way to feel personally offended or hurt or whatever else for another person's personal choice. So why doesn't "their body, their choice" apply in most cases, but does when convenient like with transgender people?

>bringing stallman into this
In some cases you don't have a choice. If your work requires a phone, you have no choice in that regard. Many such cases when retarded consumers allow reliance on such technology, and on such practices.

>libreboot founder is going to part if the 40%

Eh, idk. A supporting friend group/family/neighborhood is also pretty important. It's not so much lucky to not regret it as lucky to have people that give a shit. Also, living in NYC certainly helps too. It was never a "oh shit how do I bring this up with my parents" it was a "oh shit I don't want to have my parents feel like they need to pay for this". It's all about who you surround yourself with, senpai.

Which coincidentally as this thread, and the greater technology-related online community shows, is not pretty supporting of transgender people in general.

Literally no excuse
He could always take a boat running only FOSS software and travel in that.
Stallman just loves to talk the talk but not walk the walk. He has no qualms getting other people to use non-free software when he needs something like using a windows only program or using windows computers when there's no alternative.

>Balding
Why do people continue this meme? Estrogen doesn't make you go bald, excess testosterone does. I know that seems counter to logic as testosterone makes you grow body hair, but the hair on top of your head is a different story. Testosterone makes you lose it, not estrogen. Cutting off his junk wo/uld decrease testosterone and make his hair less likely to fall out

The sooner they get their sex change surgery, the sooner they kill themselves.

40-50% suicide rate post-op
20-30% suicide rate pre-op on HRT

There's a good chance this person removes themselves from the genepool and the faster they do it the better.

Libreboot has some decent people working on it who can take over after the cancer is gone.

I agree with this, and I'm a bleeding heart liberal. This person needs help, but "help" doesn't come in the form of mutilating yourself and becoming another suicide statistic.

>no actual use to anybody
you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what academia is and does then. Well, it's not uncommon for people that have experienced lesser education or only know the "college" approach to academia and are less familiar with a more continental approach where the actual workings are more obvious as the institutions can afford to be broadly elitist as they don't have to cover large chunks of the populus.

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Okay stop this whole this is redpilled discussion because it's a meme. What you're saying is stupid and childish. Maybe I'm being a moralfag but I care about not causing hurt. If redpilled people didn't care about others then we would be opening our borders, ofcourse you should care about other people do. We live in a society, we need to keep others in check, help each other out, even if that means criticism.
Stop being retarded, it's just a thread. I came across it and thought it would be a worthy discussion. Stop being a elitist 14 year old.
jesus christ, this is just disgusting, also
>proprietary technique
open source alternative when?
I'm still not sure. How long ago did your friend go through surgery?
Because ofcourse the first few months might cause happiness because that person is new or reborn, but after some time reality catches up. I think the happiness is short term because it's not the body that's making them unhappy it's their mind.

>tax money
But that's wrong sweatie, learn to read

It's been almost 5 years now.

No. It's all about the looks and whether they can "pass" (aka fool normal people), especially so after their surgery. If after the magical, overhyped surgery that promises to fix all their problems they still can't fool normies (ie. they're visibly male freak abominations), it's suicide time

delusional

the sooner they do it the sooner they realize they made a mistake and off themselves

Anyone paying them money for this will either:

1. Get scammed and they won't go through with their surgery instead just using the money for whatever
2. Get the person their surgery whereupon they suicide themselves a year or two later

There is no
3. The weirdo gets their surgery and lives happily ever after

>Am I a bigot?
Yes.

>Am I naive and ignorant or am I redpilled?
Would it make it different to you if this person didn't disclose that information but still asked for money? Or perhaps if they did agree with you that it was a mental health issue, but instead chose to say that they were only raising money in order to self-medicate by buying drugs and alcohol?

no, not wanting to fuel someone's descent into the hell that is the realization that he will never be a woman is not something you should be ashamed of
however, that should not affect what you think about unrelated works like libreboot

kek, he sure looks like one. No way he's gonna pass and judging from his past antics he's definitely one of the crazier trannies

Why do you have such a problem/disbelief with someone’s that actually happy with their change?

I think it's incredible how far pills go in a sexchange, how they actually do soften a guy's features and grow a pair of tits. The part I don't condone is the barbarism of castration, cutting off a penis, and hollowing out a wound, I don't believe that you're made into a woman by cutting parts out. I think transsexual people should just stick to the pills and wait until science figures out a natural way for a penis to become a functional vagina capable of birth.

So no, I don't support the creator Libreboot doing this. They are free to do it, I'm not going to stop them, but it isn't right.

>Stop being retarded, it's just a thread.
It's not a thread, it's your mindset. It's the fact that you made this thread.
>Stop being a elitist 14 year old.
I am very sorry if I came off as elitist, that was not my intent. My intent was however to fulfill your desire to be assessed. And while I can fully sympathize with you batting an eye seeing ultimately dumb shit like that, I disagree with the notion of this being a political or ethical issue, as it (to me) frankly only perpetuates the myth of identity politics being an actual societal issue right now.

The thing is, when you undergo surgery you are no longer a man either. "It" would be a more apt title, or as I have recently taken to calling it, "Man - penis"

Jow Forums has severe cognitive dissonance when it comes to their right wing views to do with freedom. If you've ever listened to a libertarian, freedom is super important, except unless its to do with abortion - then you don't get a choice there comrade, more workers are needed.

>The reason I’m in debt: 2 years ago, I paid 90,000 USD to Raptor Engineering, to port the ASUS KGPE-D16 and KCMA-D8 to Libreboot.
It is not logical to me for a person to pay to work. Usually, you get paid to work.

If you make a mistake, it is on you to fix it. You cannot beg other people to fix it for you.

Killing babies isn't freedom.

Most of my libertarian peers have been explicitly pro-abortion for quite awhile. Many of them are not exactly right-wing, too. Especially when it comes to social issues.

nice to see so many Jow Forumsfags on Jow Forums today, welcome guys

Hormones permanently alter the body, both testosterone and estrogen for both sexes. They're just as barbaric as surgery, especially taken pre/during puberty.

Exactly, this is a more complicated issue because either side is denying someone freedom. You are either denying someone the right to kill a baby, or denying a baby the right to life.

Wait, they... paid raptor engineering for the opportunity to port the thing to the other thing?
They didn't get paid for it they actually paid out of pocket to work? An over a year's salary no less?

You have no fucking clue what makes libertarians retarded

libertarians have no issue with abortions, you sound like a dumbshit libtard who only knows about 'conservative' ideology based on the ridiculous caricatures he sees in his safespace

I never browse Jow Forums. I just so happen to think that mutilating yourself is not going to help this poor soul's mental issues. He/she is going to suicide once it sinks in how shitty that life is. There are tons of regrets all over the internet regarding post-op trannies, especially the ones who did so later in life.

Jow Forums and Jow Forums are one an the same, deal with it

I honestly don't give a fuck what (s)he does, but I'm still not giving my money away. I just ignore it and move on with my life and dont sperg about some faggot like many actual faggots here

seeing how the only libertarians I see are walking ancap memes I would not consider their understanding of freedom to be ultimately relevant

>here are tons of regrets all over the internet regarding post-op trannies, especially the ones who did so later in life.
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Read this, if you dare.

No, that is not what I meant. They paid Raptor Engineering to port a thing to Libreboot.

Libreboot is their work, but instead of getting paid for it, they paid someone else.

So... like a reverse hire-an-indian scenario: An Indian programmer hires a German do his work, and the German gets paid more than what the Indian earns.

Yes because I don't want to cause harm. You see when having insight into where your money then you can think about the repercussions a certain purchase has.
For example imagine there be some magical candy shop, the candy is delicious and you buy it everyday. Suddenly you know that everytime you buy a candy a father drops a baby on its head. This isn't coincidence this is the property of the magical candy shop and its written in the terms of service. Would I still go out and buy that candy everyday? no probably not. Why? Because I feel morally obligated to.
You see I rather spend my money at places wich I think are positive or neutral not something which I deem negative. I think that's important for a healthy free market economy. Every person is responsible for the dollars they spend, we often shield our eyes from what hides behind the scenes so that we don't have to worry about whether a purchase is moral or fits with our principles. Because thinking costs to much resources, but it's the smartest choice.

WHY DOES IT HAVE TEETH

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>People need class consciousness
>They need the struggle with something other than the voices in their heads
the funny thing here is that the class struggle is all in your head. there are no clearly defined wealth boundaries between people. nobody who is mentally stable hates the rich or wants to fight some cartoonish revolution with you. the means of production are human beings and when you say you want to seize them all we hear is slavery. i'm glad you're sad now, you horrible thieving, slaving, communist.

maybe I'm a moral fag, I am vegan (serious)

>hiring other engineers to do tasks that you can't/don't want to do is wrong

I don't understand your complaint. Have you ever had a job?

Probably next to zero hardware manufactures are interested in shipping free BIOS, much less even supporting it. Sometimes you have to sacrifice for you ideals, which are freedom in this case.

For me it's pretty simple. I don't give the slightest shit about what people do with/to themselves. That's their business.

I do however think it's in poor taste to associate a product or software with someone's personal agenda.

christ

>I want to get some surgery done
>But I am in debt because I paid $90,000.00 for other people to do my work
No, hiring other engineers is not wrong. Financial irresponsibility and begging is wrong.

kill all trannies

that is all

>Sometimes you have to sacrifice for you ideals
How noble and honourable. Is begging for donations also a part of these ideals?

Well, I'd better use botnet, than let mentally ill harm themselves. Or develop my own free as in freedom firmware.

I’m still waiting for a response.

>Am I a bigot?

No, you're just an idiot. What's wrong with suporting someone who makes something that you like?

Why don't they just wait for technology to get better? They say that being able to delay gratification is a good sign that a person will be successful in life. I think that counts here. Even if they miss their window they can help progress technology for the next generation or something.

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If you like someone, supporting them in their self-destructing tendencies is generally a bad idea. Doubly so if you actually appreciate their efforts. "Here's more meth, bro"

>Financial irresponsibility and begging is wrong.
I was going to argue with you but then I realized you're right, now think the government should only allow people to make state-approved transactions. If people were allowed to give or accept charity that would be a complete disaster for society.

This is disgusting and awfully simultaneously very depressing. Ultimately that person holds responsibility for doing that to themselves, but, holy shit, I feel so bad for them. Imagine fucking up your life that bad.

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There is nothing wrong with it in real life, and even on Jow Forums, where one is recommended to at least try and leave their morals at the door (within reason), it can help to start rich conversations. But it's important to know when to think of a work as just that as opposed to the product of a person, let alone a person's source of income. It's a "there's a time and a place" sort of thing.

Just because a person involved in a project is a bit crazy doesn't mean that the project in itself is bad.

>charity
>money given to poor people in need
>someone who just paid $90,000.00 to get some work done is a "poor person in need"
Your attempt at sarcasm is noted, by the way.

Reminder that his name is Francis Rowe

>Giving someone money to mutiliate themelves

lol no

*himself

if you read it, they had a lot of peer pressure from other people in the community. it's kinda a trendy thing amongst certain groups, you know, and no one wants to really say much about it because, hey, you might be transphobic or whatever

i agree, they should've just waited. i don't have an inherent issue with people wanting to become little girls, but i have an issue with the immense mental problems it brings to an already mentally challenged community.

Wait a second, MoF is a business, why cant the dumb fuck pay for their own sex change?

If Stallman wanted donations to get his penis chopped off I'd understand but this is completely unreasonable.

what a retarded fucking thread, thanks Jow Forums

Gay people make gay code.