Emacs VS. Vim

There isn't a debate.

Emacs can be Vim with one package.

For Vim to be Emacs you need zsh, irssi, ranger, zathura, etc.

Emacs looks like shit and is slow to load. If those two issues could be resolved, there wouldn't be any sensible reason to use Vim anymore.

The best part of Vim is the keybindings - which you can really put on any editor. I've only ever used Vim keybindings with Emacs. I never started with Vim either.

You should check out use-package. It makes start up much faster.

For making Emacs look nice there's themes, changing the font, getting rid of the scroll bar and tool bar, dashboard.el, powerline.ec, etc.

>crutch plugins
anyways use neovim if you use script heavy plugins, it's better built to handle them

You can make emacs look however you like you fucking retard.

Vis.

Emacs loads fast for me but if it's slow on your end you should look into the emacs daemon mode where emacs runs in the background and new clients connect to it so they open fast. If your emacs looks ugly then change your colorscheme or your gtk theme.

>uses notepad.exe

>I don't need autocompletion

Lmao, look at him

vim's built in autocompletion is enough for me

I don't talk about if you need them or not. I talk about diff between vim and emacs

Actually, I don't use any compelete engine but I agree with you YCM is shit.
but quicktex is better and lighter
github.com/brennier/quicktex

Completely agree with you

man what ?!
neovim is suck

>emacs is bloat, so lets add more bloat to make it seem less bloat

ed, man!

"Ed is the standard text editor."

Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.

ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED
AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS
BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN
SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!

When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless
help screens and cursor positioning code! I just want an EDitor!!
Not a "viitor". Not a "emacsitor". Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED!
ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!

TEXT EDITOR.

When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their
"edlin" on a UNIX standard, did they mimic vi? No. Emacs? Surely
you jest. They chose the most karmic editor of all. The standard.

Ed is for those who can *remember* what they are working on. If you
are an idiot, you should use Emacs. If you are an Emacs, you should
not be vi. If you use ED, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION. THE
SO-CALLED "VISUAL" EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE
FAITHLESS. DO NOT GIVE IN!!! THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!!

If emacs is so great can it do ed keybindings?

Everybody argues vim vs emacs I switched to visual studio code is as fast as vim and its API its much better than vimscript crap.

yeah, sure.
now emacs has a lot of keybindings not only vim. just type some elisp to make it possible

>as fast as vim and its API its much better than vimscript crap.
Try VIS.
It uses Lua and some Plan9 noncense.

I'm not much of a programmer, but I use vim every day without any plugins. It's still fantastic.

>not using nano
pleb

Emacs is in essence an Editor. Not a text editor. Emacs edits files. And _everything_ is a file. The only real issues come up when you want Emacs to comprehend files instead of edit, but this is solved for various standard cases such as audio, video, pdfs, various rich text and image files

vscode has input lag and uses too much ram for me

I'm not much of a programmer, but I use vim every day without any plugins. It's still fantastic.

spacemacs. best of both worlds

I like the idea of emacs, even simple stuff like opening a terminal in another buffer to quickly test if something compiles is so useful
I can't even imagine what other stuff I can get into it, perhaps even read PDFs so I don't have to ever leave it
Daemon mode sounds great

>built in autocompletion
The kind of person who automatically gravitates to plugins doesn't read the documentation to know about that.
>when people still joke about learning vim when it comes with an interactive tutorial