2018

My engineering professors called people that made this argument "button pressers".

my high school required us to have a gtaphing calculator for exams

at my job, it would be a waste of time to do integrals and derivatives by hand. just like drawing a circuit and calculating all the nodal voltages and currents in a complex switching AC system. I use a simulator and verify my findings on the bench.

Oh, we're talking about your job now? I guess that's convenient for you. I thought we were talking about taking tests and using calculators in an academic setting.

University isn't a job brainlet.
Graphing calculators allows you to store extra information you shouldn't be able to have in an exam.

All the Integrals are readable doable by hand if you're not incompetent.

>too stupid to pirate matlab

kek

a math program shouldn't be closed source user, don't you get the whole free software philosophy and the implications of a proprietary math program being the standard?

>being proud of piracy
absolutely plebeian.

Imagine needing to reach for a calculator every time you wanted to count and how crippling it would be. You should be able to do basic arithmetic, algebra, and calculus on your own.

'murica

i gave an example as to why showing all work is worthless in upper-level application classes. unless you're going into academia, you're going to work at a company that pays you for your efforts.

professors would rather see you understand the concepts of the formulas and applications than know that you still remember the math courses you took two years prior. this is especially true when it would make the test three hours long instead of fitting in the 45 minute class period.

>All the Integrals are readable doable by hand if you're not incompetent.
yes, but read above. it's a waste of time to do base-level things when they have been covered before. the class is now using your knowledge and applying it to a higher level application.

Casio FX115 is the GOAT

My nigga.
Absolutely proprietary.

>free software
>gnu

Pick exactly one.

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Hey professor here, I'm wondering if any cheating calculators are prevalent. I've seen some calculators online that actually are mobile phones so that people can text questions outside. Are these actually a problem? Do I need to start going full SIGINT on my students during a test?

Shit man you can stuff a lot into a calculator form factor these days.

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Your professors were shit, then. If they're writing tests where you're just applying formulas then it was a shit degree. Speaking as someone with an aero masters, there's a lot you can learn from working stuff out by hand. It's why analytical dynamics is so powerful. Sure, you can get the answer quicker by just simulating everything, but you understand the system so much better by doing the "base-level things". In a learning environment like university, it's super important. Everything turns into black boxes that spit out numbers when you do everything in the calculator.

There certainly is a point where things become too complex to do it by hand, but it certainly isn't undergraduate level engineering. I've worked in the marine and aerospace industry; engineers who just throw things into FEA without any thought are not good engineers. They're FEA operators, aka button pressers. They're also really easy to outsource.

>wasting your time on tedious integrals

A company that claims not to be evil will then ship your code on billions of spying devices. gpl v3 is the only thing that can stop slavery

>11th grade math
>"user you cant use your calculator for everything"
>"See look, you cant find the area under a curve if the area is in negative quadrants
>Wrapped function in abs
>get full marks on test
>"user you wont always have a calculator"
>any task in my life that has required anything more than simple addition has always given me a capable device because its a waste of time to do it on paper and by hand
I guess you need to not be a potato to get the fundamentals down though.

GPL is shit

LGPL is superior

Downloading a 20GB pile of shit just to do a fucking bode plot?
Octave all the way.
And im actually a fucking engineer using it. Matlab besides simulink is pile of shit which can easily be replaced with Octave. And simulink is semi-usefull depending on what type of work do you do and on what level.

Why the fuck nobody posted an actual god tier RPN calculator.

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graphing calculators are extremly good to check if you got to the right answer in long integrals.
Very useful for an idiot like me that really shouldn't take higher math.

>unironically using octave

it's the best

Go to Venezuela if you like communism so much.

TI spends millions of dollars every year on lobbying to ensure various state education departments force their students to buy graphing calculators at $95 each.

Scilab has a Simulink-clone thing IIRC.

Your professor is a puritan idiot.

More like you're a brainlet.

Dope point jerk on an anonymous imageboard, user.

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Why not just use your phone?

>using shitlab and shitlab derived
why in the fuck would you use one of the worst programming languages invented in the history of mankind after lua and javashit
pirate mathematica if you're not an indian fuck

The only people that buy (TI) graphing calculators are high school kids. Prove me wrong.

>user's calculator doesn't run android

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So I sat down and read through this, and the only message I've interpreted was that you've had very little mating success since not only are you an off the charts autist, but you're anal retentive and totally outside of the realm of a relatable human. So not only have women escaped your grasp, but so has the whole of humanity. You're a neuron pusher.

>lua
>bad

lel, no. Lua is way better than pyshit.

>dat try hard pretension

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I don't think Android's been ported to HP's Nut processors

Oh no.

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>not emulating your calculator

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Your able to put different applications on a ti graphing calculator so I doubt there isn't a way to keep notes on it

Enforce exam mode usage then?

Most american schools make you get them. They cost over $100+ but a phone can do that and more. Literally paying that money for a $6 product.

>$95
More than that.

notes? Oh I'm not worried about notes, I'm worried about shit like this:
ebay.com/itm/Exam-Cheat-Text-Messaging-Calculator-Ruby-Calculator-Ultimate-Edition/142762050070?hash=item213d480216:g:XOkAAOSw9KhaLKLB

Holy shit. Though I doubt they've heard about them, it may be feasible to use a cellphone jammer?

Kek and EEs try to act smart. Literally do less work than a fucking burger flipper. An Indian with a week of training and no degree could do your job

If you / your college cannot afford mathematica consider >>>/kys/

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How do you like aero? I'm hoping to get into the program at wsu

This so much. I bought my graphing calculator when I started high-school. We were told "we are using this calculator and you must all buy that one". There wasn't any good or logical reason why all students were required to buy calculator X from brand Y but doing so was preferable to failing math.

>tfw nuclear engineer
>can't get MCNP off the internet if I wanted to
I'm thinking of getting a copy from my professor and putting it on the web myself.

What's the worst that could happen for distributing restricted DoD software?

Why the fuck wouldn't just use matlab at that point?

Wanting to write programs without having to put up with the calculator's keyboard is one case I can think of.

You're on a computer

that is illegal very illegal. FCC would kick my ass. I was thinking of going SIGINT on my students using an SDR or spectrum analyzer to see if there is any unusual electronic activity during tests.

hello

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what the fuck is that? a fucking phone?

>he doesn't know the classpad 400
poor man

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gross. my fx115es is so much better. i dont understand why everyone on the sub bitches at me for not using this TI POS

more like no class pad if you ask me

to many jpg artifacts. what does it say?

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Writing programs FOR the calculator and running them AS THE CALCULATOR WOULD without putting up with the shit input, you imbecile.

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>2000+18
>doing any calculations outside of basic arithmetic

It's 2018, it's cheaper to use cellphone LCD screens than keep using 1980's style segment LCD screens nobody else buys.

Shut the fuck up why are old people on this website and why are you such a reddit faggot faux moral shitter that you care about cheating calculators or other such petty shit. Why would you want to become a professor anyway

That is so faggy

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>being this mad about having your cheating tool taken away

Why can't you just make an approved calculator list and check the students' calculators?

I don't cheat. Everyone I know does cheat. Cheaters and cheat preventers are all normalfags alike.

Yes. They are faster to type on and more portable.

>Not getting it for free from his university.

>Shall be used for good not evil
Certainly I would have broken any such license, this is a REALLY stupid thing to put in your licence.

>They are faster to type on and more portable.

The keys are identical to a scientific calculator at a tenth of the price.

No, it's genius. You basically reserve the right to sue anyone at anytime for any reason at your own whim.

>The keys are identical to a scientific calculator at a tenth of the price.
Yes, but they don't produce graphs, that is the point of a graphing calculator.

If you want to quickly produce graphs use a graphing calculator.

Granted, if you want to abuse the licences it is genius.

They can give you a table of values to draw the graph if you want. And you pretty much never need to graph shit on a test anyway (and if you do then you can't use the calculator for that part).

why the fuck would anyone buy a separate calculator when a computer or even a phone can do it better

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I bought this baby for my bachelor's studies.
Used it to cheat on econometrics and tried playing Pokemon(Pokemon is shit)

It was a million times more pleasant to operate than all the shitty B/W casinos other students bought through some student body.

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>test
I don't care about tests.

>They can give you a table of values to draw the graph if you want.
Sure they can.
But drawing a graph is slower then having it drawn for you.

Its faster.

>cumtrapz
what

>I don't care about tests.

Then why aren't you plotting with Matlab? It's far faster and easier.

>It's far faster
It really isn't, especially when I am on the phone.

Not for 2D.

Install gentoo

You can't block people accessing the internet for tests anymore.
Or at least, you can't without doing anything extremely draconian or illegal.

Accept that everybody can look up an answer whenever they can, that everybody has always access to a portable computer and an internet connection with powerful cloud services, and model your tests and lectures around this concept.
Think of it like open book tests, but on a whole new level.

This way you can have your students make use of seriously powerful online tools like Wolfram Alpha (partially free) or even just basic graphing calculator apps that cost 5$ instead of a full-fledged product at more than 100$.