Why are Millennial parents giving their kids access to mobile devices at such a young age...

Have you seen Wall-E? That's what the future will be like.

>Millennial parents

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>is on some form of computer almost 24/7
>hurr durr why kids using computers that's bad
There's literally nothing wrong with giving your kid access to a computer from young age

remember when your parents didn't let you have a Personal Computer and everyone else had a Personal Computer and everyone was Instant Messaging each other on Microsoft Service Network Messenger and you were that weirdo that didn't have a Personal Computer so you got left out? didn't think so

I had a personal computer, to do homework on. I didn't get handed a phone with kids shows on it when I cried did i? Parents now are so fucking lazy that they shut their kids up by giving them their phone instead of dealing with the problem.

yeah
so imagine if you didn't get a Personal Computer? You'd be even more weird than you are now, loser!

i'd probably be out doing normie things, so what?

Steve Jobs didn't let his kids use ipads.

Getting kids interested in technology from a young age isn't a bad thing

Who?

my nephew is only 3 years old and its sad really
my sister will just shove a tablet in his face every single time he cries and its had a noticeable impact on him
hes become almost dependent on the tablet and if the tablet needs to charge or is otherwise unavailable to him he will throw a literal temper tantrum until he gets it, which ive seen go on for hours
its also caused him to look for the tablet for comfort instead of my sister. for example, when he falls down and gets hurt he won't go to my sister, he'll go to the tablet
i used to be one of those retards who thought that giving kids tech at a young age was the "cool" thing to do and that only out-of-touch parents banned technology but now i see that its the complete opposite, with tech illiterate parents not understanding the impact of mobile technology on children
this, but it doesn't ever work out that way. usually what ends up happening is that the kid doesn't see the tablet as something that can do things outside of youtube, it's simply "the thing that plays my videos"
this can go on to instill an addiction yet complete lack of understanding of technology in the kid.
perhaps a remedy to this would be to ban mobile technology and let your kid explore a personal computer instead, exposing them to more than one isolated app on an isolated OS.

Kids should not fear boredom, and childish addictive personalities unfortunately gravitate towards consuming the next interesting thing. From boredom breeds creativity, and downtime isn't something to hide from.

I would argue that children need boredom and time away from senseless consumption to create and process their own ideas. To use the imagination that dwindles in later years as an adult would fixate on the constraints not the idea.

>boredom breeds creativity
true in a way but that phrase only really works for adults. kids by design aren't meant to be bored a ton. playing outside and engaging the mind of the child positively should be a high priority for a parent, next to the child's hygiene and health.
i know what you're saying and that playing outside is different than watching shitty videos on a tablet but i just wanted to add that

says the guy who was downloading game genie codes at age 6 and circumventing content blockers at 12

good. autism is the new normal and we will all be free.

Excuse me, but my game genie codes were sent to me by mail.

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thats the thing though, by downloading game genie codes and circumventing blockers he was learning a million times more than a kid who just mindlessly consumes videos day in and day out

That's why he's dead.

>you can't learn anything from videos
Is this a serious post

nice strawman

nice strawman, but youtube videos are far from educational most of the time
ever heard of elsagate?

I have no idea what elsagate is. Considering you did you might want to re-think this whole criticism as clearly you fall victim to this yourself.

>the only way to know about something is to do it
>i dont know about something so that means nobody does
i haven't used youtube extensively for over 5 years but jesus have you ever heard of a news website

>milennials
>having children

I'm a millennial and I never got a cell phone until freshman year of high school. It pains me to see little 5yo kids watching youtube videos on their parents' old iphone but at the same time it's their way of watching cartoons the same way I watched TV as a kid.

>parents trusting their kids with camera phones that they can use to broadcast very easily

27 y/o with 1 y/o daughter reporting in.
While my wife and I understand the importance of tech in our daughter's life, we also understand the importance of moderation. She's too young to use tech right now but as she gets older she will have access to it. We're doing our part to make sure that access is beneficial as opposed to detrimental.
For instance, she will have a cell phone at a younger age. However this will be a "dumb" phone. I got my first phone at 15 and I was required to answer it whenever my parents called, which will be her rule as well.
Additionally I can attribute some of my interest in technology in circumventing restrictions put on my tech usage. What was a proxy? How can I still play Runescape after my allotted time? These obstacles made me learn more about how the tech works and by extension ignited my curiosity in the field. I hope that I can do the same for her.

>However this will be a "dumb" phone.
So you want your daughter to be bullied at school?

many millenials are old enough to have adult children.
millenials without children are arguably failures by white picket fence, car and dog standards.

Honestly, I think being bullied builds character as long as she learns how to deal with that kind of stress. If she’s bullied and also has shitty parents that’s another story.

>failure by dog standards

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It’s a good thing millenials know better than to not have their sense of worth dictated by those people.

That’s the answer I wish I could say, truth is most of us are just not there financially. A lot are, but a lot aren’t too.

Friend of mine teaches middle schoolers
The fucking shit they say is hilarious and it's all because of their ubiquitous access to the internet
It's a generation of shitposters and it's great
Quit crying like a bitch

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>Why are parents giving books to kids? It's the end of the world, I tell you!

Would you buy an iPhone for your daughter so she can be like the other skanks?

That's not really the same thing though

Why not?

Using a smartphone is much more addicting than reading a book. Reading a book also improves your linguistic skills.

Also, people already rely on their smartphones too much. Just think about how much worse it will get. When the current kids grow up to be adults they won't be able to live without a smartphone. Kids are also actually becoming worse at using computers as time goes on, using a smartphone doesn't really develop any kind of skills or interest in technology. Hell, most people are shit even at using their phone. Everything needs to happen from a click of a single button.

My generation was too poor to own computers and mobile phones and we grew up into retards just like the younger generations.

>Reading a book also improves your linguistic skills
Reading text will do that regardless of whether you read it from a printed page or a screen.

>people already rely on their smartphones too much
Too much? They certainly rely on them, just as we rely on books, but how can you quantify "too much?" "More than I think they should"? Who are you to say.
>hurr kids can't live without they smartphones
You got any evidence to back your claims up? Sure, it wouldn't be as pleasant for them, but they certainly can, and many do.

I get that you don't like them, but you need to remain objective before you go spouting off your vitriol.

With a book you're focused on what that book is about, even if it's a dumb topic or silly fiction you're still taking in one thing slowly. Even if you're using the internet for the most studious purposes (most toddlers on smartphones are not), the amount of time you spend on one particular thing is tiny compared to what you experience when you're reading a book. A book doesn't track your actions and change it's content to better manipulate you as well..

I've always thought the generation naming thing is cringy as fuck.

Sounds like PEBCAK. Smartphones a good boy, he didn't do nuthin. Seriously, if you can't focus, the deficiency is in you, not the object of your attention.

I got PC when I was 3.
See no problem.

I had a friend like that.
He wasn't allowed PC until he finished his school.

THE weirdest guy I know

Maybe if you're a grown adult trying to get work done. We're talking about kids and the potential problems with letting them spend the beginning of their lives using mobile devices literally constantly. Even what we grew up with PCs isn't the same cause you're going to get up and walk away at some point. Really I don't think letting them use it at all is necessarily an issue, but when you have a situation like the guy earlier in the thread posted about where the kid throws sustained tantrums if the fucking thing is just charging you have definitely fucked up

how do you want them to name then?

>people already rely on their smartphones too much
Say's who?
>Just think about how much worse it will get.
They said the same thing for TV's, PC's in the home and the Internet, do you retards not get bored of doomsday posting about how fucked the next generation is?
>When the current kids grow up to be adults they won't be able to live without a smartphone.
Take away TV, the Internet, and computers away from the previous generation and you'll get the same result. You take away something people enjoy, they get pissed.
>Kids are also actually becoming worse at using computers as time goes on
[Ciation needed]
>using a smartphone doesn't really develop any kind of skills or interest in technology.
It depends on how you use it, just like how reading 50 shades of gray, probably doesn't develop any serious skills you'd actually like to use. Who cares if they aren't interested in technology? People never cared about the technologies of their TV's, they just fucking watched it, you're just being retarded over this because people don't want to use your obscure Linux distro over MacOS and Windows.

you ended up here, that's a pretty big problem

This entire thread makes me believe is right
People (read: normalfags) just don't care anymore. Why do things yourself when you can let other things do it for you?
Things will devolve and devolve until we end up in a dystopia, thinking it's an utopia because we don't know any better.

>Reading text will do that regardless of whether you read it from a printed page or a screen
That wasn't my point brainlet. Books have much richer language than the average stuff that is posted online, reading proper text instead of some random shitposts will develop a kids vocabulary.

>Too much? They certainly rely on them, just as we rely on books, but how can you quantify "too much?" "More than I think they should"? Who are you to say.
How do we "rely on books". Kids will get used to not having to remeber anything since they can just check stuff online. The fact that we read books is not comparable to that since books are generally not used to check everyday stuff.

You tell me I need to remain objective, but I could just as well say the same thing to you, since it seems like you are butthurt because someone told you that the usage of technology might have downsides.

>We're talking about kids and the potential problems with letting them spend the beginning of their lives using mobile devices literally constantly
There's nothing synonymous with it but the potential long-term problems are entirely speculative and any immediate observable effects are not at all exclusive to smart phones. Kids will throw tantrums about literally anything that doesn't go their way. Some brat not getting to play with their toy and crying about it is hardly new, or noteworthy, or even worth mentioning.

Yeah, and I could have ended in some Russian dump.
I see this as a positive.

Fuck

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>generation alpha
more like generation onions

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good one, newguy

People don't seem to get the difference.

It's not about the device, it's what it can be done with it. You give a kid a good book and he'll have proper knowledge. You give a kid a smartphone with an instant messaging tool and access to an almost infinite number of people to talk to and you get pretty shitty results.

Now you'll say "well, as a parent you can just educate your children so he does not become addicted to these things" but it's way simpler to restrict access altogether. People are essentially giving up and going like "well you know, Kurt's children use instagram, I don't want to make my child feel left out of it because if you grow up now without socializing you might as well off yourself before 30, so I will allow him to do the same".

It's not even like videogames in the 90s: You had many children still not get so interested in them, they weren't tools of communication but just plain entertainment in many cases and some kids had to even earn their shit. "If you do well I'll buy you a smartphone and allow you a certain amount of hours" is not something that works today. Specially because newer generations think that internet is something that just happens to exist for everyone to enjoy without limits. I've seen my cousin's kid act completely disrespectful towards my grandma because she couldn't fucking figure out how to give him access to internet so he could watch stupid minecraft videos on his tablet. He can't sit at a table without using this stupid shit. That is irresponsible by his parents for sure, but tell them to fix that and they couldn't even figure out what the problem is because we're so embedded and so used to this shit it's "acceptable" now.

I'd say the opposite. Social media gives people the option to talk to people instantly as opposed to having to physically meet up. Being social has become extremely easy. It's just that staring at a screen might look like the least social thing you can do from an outsider's perspective.

I can agree on this. Some parents don't let their kids play on phones soon as they need them to stfu, it is just that parents are being shit parents and don't want their kids to pop their little bubble of zen by being kids.

Also parents are sometimes too scared to let their kids play outside cause they think everything is dangerous.

What anime?

>Also parents are sometimes too scared to let their kids play outside cause they think everything is dangerous
Helicopter parents are fucking cancerous. They are to blame for the shitstorm we have right now with over-entitled Gen Z.

>>"the thing that plays my videos"

When my nephew was young and I felt the need to introduce some technology I simply gave him a tape recorder and some old tapes with music and storytelling that I had as a kid and it allowed him to use something he can drop, he can record his own babbles and knows exactly how it works since it doesn't have 99 other functions.

Parents give a kid a phone like an encyclopedia and expect him to look up everything but a kid needs some encouragement first of and he will not know what to do with it other than look up dinosaurs or sharks, better to give him a book on sharks that covers one subject that something that covers too many to boot. This way you won't feel bad when a kid breaks it cause phone's are expensive.

now imagine what happens to children who aren't allowed to have phones

>You give a kid a good book and he'll have proper knowledge
That's a whole lot of supposin', partner. Contrary to the flowery words of the posters lining the walls at your local library, a book isn't some infallible, irreproachable tome of knowledge and goodness. It's just the words and thoughts of man, no more faultless than their author. Much the same with everything you can access with a smartphone.

that's a shitty analogy. books doesn't fuck up your attention span nearly as much as smartphones/tablets do.

>books don't reveal your own faulty attention span nearly as much as smartphones/tablets do
FTFY

lol if you can read a book throughout your attention span is fine. why do you think normies come here and create threads in hopes someone will spoonfeed them answers? they can't focus on reading more than a paragraph.

We’ve had books since the printing press was invented retard
You can’t watch tranny porn and piss away 12 hours of the day on YouTube and Jow Forums with a copy of To Kill a Mockingbird
Our generation and our kids have fucking mush brains

I can’t believe we have to argue about pathological internet use with Jow Forums

No, but it will give a reason for those with social anxiety or similar issues to stop trying (or perhaps get worse - Elliot Roger tier worse). Most kids are fine though.

I started with computers when I was really young, but I got electronics taken away from me for half a year when I left Dragon Ball Z porn in the browser history when I was 7 or something.

hey doc can I get my daily dose?

Getting interested in technology != giving them a tablet or phone to vegetate and watch Minecraft porn videos or Elsa and Spider-Man sticking syringes into baby doll butts

Just enable parent-control to stop the kids from digging the darkest pit of hell in the internet like Jow Forums and tumblr or buy a cellphone to be sure they can only use it for real communication.

>They said the same thing for TV's, PC's in the home and the Internet
And they were right

He also thought fruit would cure pancreatic cancer.

thanks, doc

Kek, I remember something like that happening to me too.
I learned very quick how to remove my history after that.

If you actually make an effort to prevent the kids from accessing things they shouldn't then I don't see a problem.

What's stupid is when an ignorant 23 year old mom lets her brat on Youtube unregulated. Then they watch 5000 variations of Johnny Johnny Yes Papa until they find a weird fetish video in the process.

Just restrict their internet access to certain websites and you're golden.

You end up with teenagers who spent most of their time browsing on their phone but doesn't even know how to use the fucking Word on their PC.

Same reason older gens gave kids unfettered TV access at a young age: it's an easy way to not have to take responsibility for raising and caring for your child.
Now, there's nothing wrong with letting kids have access to such things, the issue is that nobody wants to teach them to do it in moderation, and to cultivate different means of entertainment, such as reading, playing with toys, playing outside, etc. When kids don't learn the importance of moderation, you end up with a ton of problems.
Combine that with parents refusing to tell their child no and set clear boundaries and not monitoring what their child consumes, and you have a recipe for disaster.
But this isn't an issue with technology, it's an issue with bad parents. Technology only makes it easier, but it doesn't cause the problem. It's just a tool that can be used for good or ill

>little kids in a restaraunt
>parents pull out ipad for them to watch youtube
What went wrong?

>10 years ago this was seen as bad when you did it

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asocial? no. teen girls now have snap scores of like 50k+ nowadays
maybe they'll be more people comfortable texting than texting

anti-social? yeah there will always be elliot rodgers, but you can't really blame that on tech

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>maybe they'll be more people comfortable texting than texting
fugg
meant "maybe there will be more people comfortable communicating through texting than talking

Yeah reading a book is the exact same as playing candy crush for 2 hours straight

There's always one retard who thinks milennials are 18 and under in these threads.

I mean that has to be bait, what a fucking stupid comment, jesus christ that is some dumb fucking try-hard-fail-hard contrarian-level wankery, just shut the fuck up you dumb mongrel lol

underrated point

>Generation Z = Generation Alpha
Gen Z is gonna suffer from serious disillusionment when they finally leave their parent's homes and join the real world.