>Assemble a part list pcpartpicker.com/ >Example gaming builds and _monitor_ suggestions; click on the blue title to see notes pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/ >Learn how to build a PC (You can find a lot more detailed videos on channels like Bitwit) youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g >How to install Win7 on Ryzen pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1 >DO NOT OVERCLOCK ON RYZEN 2000 SERIES If you are on the new X470 or B450 platforms letting precision boost 2 do its job gets better performance If you want help: >State the budget & CURRENCY for your build >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs: >NO Core i7/5/3 7000 series. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY COFFEE LAKE >NO Ryzen 1000 series. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY THE Ryzen 2000 SERIES >R3 2200G - Bare minimum gaming WITH/WITHOUT a graphics card (Low end) >R5 2600X - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPU (Mid range) >R7 2700X - Best gaming CPU / VM Work / Streaming / Video editing (High end) >TR 1950X/Used Xeon - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing (HEDT)
RAM: >Current CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000-3200 MHz is ideal >Before buying RAM for Ryzen, check your Mobo's QVL or look for user reports
Graphics cards: >Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up (particularly Radeon) 1080p >MSRP of standard 1080p cards: 1050Ti, 140USD; 1060 3GB, $200; 1060 6GB, $230; RX 570 4GB, $170; RX 580 4GB, $200 >GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 1440p >GTX 1070/Ti and 1080 are standard choices; currently overpriced >GTX 1080Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 2160p (4K) >GTX 1080Ti
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >A 240GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
You're early, cunt. Old thread hasn't hit its bump limit
Justin Bailey
More reasonable CPU recommendations for all build levels
>R3 2200G - Gaming WITHOUT a graphics card >G5400 - HTPC, web browsing, or bare minimum gaming builds with a dedicated graphics card >i3 8100 - Budget gaming builds >R5 2600 / i5 8400 - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs (especially the R5 2600 for multithread perf) >R7 2700 / i7 8700K - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing
FX-8350 owner here. After seeing pic related i've decided its time for an upgrade. Should I buy the i5-4670 (160€ in aliexpress, mobo included) or the i7 that gets practically the same performance but has twice as many threads? Upgrading to a DDR4 platform is out of the question considering the cost.
>gayming >cherry picked shallow fps games that are gpu bound
4 cores >2 cores Eat shit shill.
Lucas Adams
better ram will always improve cpu performance by a few percent, but i think amd ryzen benefits more than most. something to do with core to core communication speed being tied to ram latency, due to the way they designed the cpu
Ryder Richardson
You're right, 4 cores do cost way more than 2 cores for the same perf. Hence, your stupidity.
That's a super old benchmark. The FX perf is slightly better these days, on average about like a Haswell i5 or slightly less, although some games definitely hate the FX CPUs, like PUBG. Definitely don't get the i5 4670. That's a sidegrade unless you're building around a particular game that would much rather have the i5.
In my opinion if you can't get a modern platform, wait to upgrade. Intel will probably have 4c/8t i3s out next. Extremely cheap with amazing performance if the 7700K is anything to go by.
If you're getting the i5 8400, you'll probably want a B360 mobo, which means that the most it can run is 2666. If you're getting a Z370 for some reason, obviously get faster RAM.
2200G or 2400G is perfectly good for stuff like LoL and Overwatch.
Lmfao it's nearly half as bad in some games like Kingdom Come Deliverence and other newer titles. Can't even keep above 30fps in a lot of titles. G4560 was okay when the alternative was a 2 core i3, there was no 2200G, and there weren't more newer CPU intensive titles coming out. It's a retarded buy now.
I don't think any G.skill DDR4 are dual rank, are they? It's mostly Crucial that makes decent dual rank RAM now days.
You should be doing 3200 on Intel as well, yes. Ryzen slightly favors frequency and Intel slightly favors true latency but both like speed and low true latency. There are some games where faster RAM improves things more on Intel than AMD.
You should not upgrade to anything less than a 4790k. That chart also looks INCREDIBLY old and outdated. It's on a Titan and at 720p. If you disable half the odd or even cores on the 8350k doesn't it roughly match a 4670k due to the higher FPU IPC...? Or was that actually fixed in Window's scheduler?
Grayson Rogers
>>R7 2700X - Best gaming CPU Who made this shit? It's common knowledge the top tier i7 spanks any competition when not gpu bottlenecked. Love or hate it but it's the truth.
Julian Jackson
Tom's Hardware says the 2700X is the best and they're Intel shills so
Brayden Clark
Anons kept complaining about delidding and that most people don't OC so eventually op just took it out eventually
Luis Hill
And literally every website I've ever seen has the i7 as a superior gaming performer when not gpu bottlenecked. Only some retard would think otherwise (I hope you're not within that category). Also toms hardware gave it it's recommended score based on all roundedness.
Gaming at 1080p on a 1080ti is pretty retarded. 90+fps is good considering most game engines simply aren't capable of 144fps even with a 5.2GHz 8700k and a 1080ti.
Landon Phillips
→ Even if you put on some VRM heatsinks, and shaved them down to fit, there's not airflow through there to make much use of them..
But the hot bits are the black mosfets right near the chokes. Get a $12 thermal gun, man.
Cameron Baker
>That chart also looks INCREDIBLY old its from mid 2013. i play old games mainly and dont have the money to upgrade to DDR4 atm. how long will it take for RAM prices to drop? i dont want to stay with this shitty system for 2 more years, and the best i5 from the LGA1150 socket probably beats mid-range current gen from ryzen or intel...
Jeremiah Hernandez
Just upgraded an old build (thanks to all who helped in previous threads). We put $650 into it (new CPU, GPU, mobo, SSD, and RAM)
Better SSD. Could go 900p Optane using your StoreMi.
Also you paid a lot for a 1050Ti. You could have gotten an RX570 4GB for $200 which is about 50% faster.
Samuel Roberts
Oh nvm.. you JUST got that tiny SSD. You could have gotten 480GB for $80. Idk man. Guess I missed your posts and you were too impulsive and someone stupid helped you.
Even if the games you play are old, scheduler updates did improve Bulldozer perf. >how long will it take for RAM prices to drop No one knows.
Daniel Anderson
The rx 570 is 250 and it's not even in stock most places
Charles Parker
The SSD was last minute and put the build over-budget but the client agreed that the additional $40 for it was worth the price. Regarding the RX570, two things: first, client specified all parts have to be sourced from Amazon (gift cards I imagine) and that puts it clearly out of the budget, and 2nd, driver support for Radeon cards isn't as robust as nVidia cards when using Linux, which the machine will occasionally be using in VMs.
Alexander Campbell
Out of "arguments" again, are we? You'll probably be the one with cancer since I eat health and exercise, unlike your fat ass
>Tom's Hardware says the 2700X is the best Lying again. They said it was best all around, not best gaming.
Oh he's definitely a retard.
>best i5 from the LGA1150 socket probably beats mid-range current gen from ryzen or intel... Definitely not. An i3 8100 is a 4c/4t CPU with a slightly better arch than a Haswell 4c/4t i5
Eh, 4/10. CPU is overkill for the graphics card, mobo is expensive, the SSD is small, and if you actually paid 170USD for that monitor recently, you are retarded. Should have spent way less on the CPU/mobo and bought a better graphics card
>client Holy shit, he got ripped off.
Christian Rodriguez
RX 570 4GB is $399 AUD or RX 580 8GB is $560 AUD wat do?
Carter James
While the CPU and mobo are higher-end than the GPU he said that he wants to upgrade to a newer GPU in about a year or so, I figured that a 1050ti would be fine in the interim for what he wants. Again the SSD was last minute, he wasn't even going to get one but $40 for a fast boot drive was something he wanted but lower on his list. Finally, he paid $130 for the monitor but the sale ended. >client he is paying me in beer, easier to explain by saying "client" rather than "friend who has money and needs help."
1060 6gb desu
Samuel Hall
$230 on Newegg earlier today, unless it's out of stock again. -15% in discounts puts it under $200.
Title was "best gaming CPUs".
uhhh how are those prices compared to RX560, GTX 1050, 1050Ti, and 1060 6GB?
Is a 5ghz 8700k better than a 2700x with pbo2 when it comes to recording/streaming vidya?
Asher Morgan
Whats the most powerful CPU that uses DDR3 ram? i7 i assume
Brody Hernandez
No.
5820k maybe? Or wasn't there a 6 core Xeon W?
Jordan Walker
based r/amd poster
Colton Taylor
Shit, the pajeets are smarter than you
Ryder Thomas
Hey guys, I got a GeForce GTX 970. What should I upgrade that to?
Caleb Evans
>just had to emergency order a NH-U12S because I strongly suspect my Enermax TR4 360's pump failed >sitting at 60c just with a couple of waterfox tabs open and nothing else right now
Thanks user, read some stuff and I think I learned some things. The ferrite chokes are the gray things with the 3 x 3 grid of letters; the mosfets the two tone black eraser looking things without the feet? It's a thin laptop with an aluminum bottom, so I figured I could put the heat there. It's not overheating or anything, just my first "nice" laptop so I wanted to go the whole nine yards. Even went and got Kryonaut on the heatsink.
Jaxson Gutierrez
A GTX 1170 and a monitor like the $400 1440p MSI Optix
Depends on the game, but streaming probably the 2700X. If you're actually trying to start streaming you need a gaming PC and a streaming PC. For instance chocotaco has an i7 gaming PC and a TR streaming PC
Caleb Miller
Why would you need an upgrade from that? You wont get a substantial change for the money.
James Gray
>amd poster >clearly says intel in the CPU fan in the pic
Ryder Moore
you morons that insist on using watercooling deserve all the bad things that happen to you
Aaron Collins
Thanks, champ.
Gavin Jackson
>Lmfao it's nearly half as bad in some games like Kingdom Come Deliverence and other newer titles. Can't even keep above 30fps in a lot of titles. False. i3 6100 < G5400
>Lmfao it's nearly half as bad in some games like Kingdom Come Deliverence and other newer titles. Can't even keep above 30fps in a lot of titles. False, G5400 is better than the 2200G in the new, just released Total War i3 6100 < G5400
I'm not trying to be a famous streamer with a 1080p60fps stream, I want to be able to record/stream in case something entertaining happens so I can rewatch it or send it to my friends. Most of what I'm planning to play benefits from single core performance, but I'm not sure if the oc'd 8700k will be able to keep it's advantage or stay equal to a 2700x with pbo2 enabled when you start recording/streaming on the same pc that you're playing on. Would the 2700x's better multicore performance make it take less of a hit while doing that?
Juan Fisher
Recording video is done using the graphics card (e.g., Shadowplay). It's the transcoding for twitch that requires the CPU
Justin Barnes
>I'm not trying to be a famous streamer with a 1080p60fps stream, I want to be able to record/stream in case something entertaining happens so I can rewatch it or send it to my friends. I record some of my for honor gameplay with in nvidia shadow works in a
i5-4440 8gb ram gtx 1060 3gb
you don't need much unless your livestreaming I think.
Ayden Gutierrez
OK fellas, my 970 crashed when loading up pubg the other day and from then on it has emitted a strong burning smell. Ran valley, temps are fine, load is above average.
What are my options here? Really don't want to buy some overinflated cards like 1060/580 when 970s are more than enough for 1080p.
Not quite building, but figured I'd ask here. Need to clean install over my old win7 ultimate for a few reasons. Figured I'd give enterprise with mstoolkit kms a try. This SHA1 is legit, right?
If your filename is en_windows_7_enterprise_with_sp1_x64_dvd_u_677651.iso, then yes.
Joshua Martin
>my 970 crashed when loading up pubg >pubg good. But are you sure it's the gpu thats stinking and not something else?
Bentley Flores
just get 10 1803 and activate it with ms toolkit, will put you on enterprise
Joshua Anderson
100% GPU. Removed it and it's definitely the source of the smell
Ian Gray
Here's my 2600X, 1080p build for under $1k for anyone who is looking for that. >pcpartpicker.com/user/oshirigami/saved/22sd6h You can save some more on a cheaper PSU, but that's a good PSU and it's on sale now. May need to update BIOS, but you can update that board's BIOS without a CPU. You just need a USB flash drive. You could also replace the SSD with 280gb optane+hdd if you need lots of fast storage. Current 500GB SSD prices are great but 1TB ones are a bit high. Night anons.
That sucks, user.
Yes, chokes are typically grey and the largest non-plastic components on a board, and in your case have that 3x3 grid of letters. Mosets are black, and USUALLY have text on them but yours don't seem to.. but mosfets are like always right by the chokes. Also mosfets always have pins ONLY on one side, and the other side is always flat or a bar (where it's soldered to the board). There will also be a mosfet driver with pins on both side near the mosfet transistors.
You have some black rectangles in a group of four to the left of the blower but I really have no clue what those are... you might be able to read a model number off them to google.
Caleb Hernandez
When putting together a gaming computer what am I suppose to look for in a motherboard? Or does all that matter is the ram and CPU it supports?
Yep. I was thinking about that too, but I'm still on the fence with 10.
Charles Ortiz
>Or does all that matter is the ram and CPU it supports? that's all unless your buying a high-end cpu as intel needs better vrm's(a part of the mobo) to get it's full performance or for overclocking. As well as to stop your mobo from breaking earlier.
Eli Stewart
the vrm is a Volt regulator Module, I think. So your high-end cpu's tend to eat more power and need higher voltages so if your mobo is shit it'll fry because they put cheap vrm's on budget mobo's even if the mobo's are from top rank manufacturers
>scheduler updates what do you mean? isn't a CPU something that can't be updated? i dont know much about schedulers or anything like that >An i3 8100 is a 4c/4t CPU with a slightly better arch than a Haswell 4c/4t i5 slightly better overall performance and worse performance per core. but still, its way more expensive to buy when you go from DDR3 to DDR4. the RAM factor alone makes the older i5 a better deal.
Brayden Ward
>scheduler updates I think he means windows updates.
Ethan Morgan
So I'd get better performance ingame while streaming with a 2700x, but recording with a 8700k would be better than with a 2700x?
I mean it's volts*amps=watts. And watts makes the heat and lowers efficiency. 1.4v on a 2600 isn't the same as 1.4v on a 2800.
Bulldozer is unique in that it is 4 "modules, 8 cores. The module has a cache controller, hardware scheduler, instruction decoder, etc, but then the cores divide up the FPUs and other shit. Then you have Windows which has a SOFTWARE scheduler which decides which cores to assign threads on. Well Windows updating to mostly keep threads from the same program spreading across the modules instead of all cores helped a lot. But games can still override default Windows scheduling and force 8 threads to be created on each core even if they're FPU heavy and there will be a massive performance penalty on bulldozer. GTAV does this and is notoriously poorly performing on Bulldozer.
Opposite. Streamer side on 8700k will be better. Viewer side (which is the important part) will be better on a 2700X. What that user said is a misnomer. Nvidia and AMD both have recording that can be done on their GPUs but they aren't high enough quality for something that gets reencoded like twitch does, so streaming to twitch should be done on CPU so your stream isn't unwatchable bad quality.
Isaac Kelly
Pop tart diet keeps me ahead of the pack.
Nicholas Edwards
Trying to improve airflow and reduce dust in my case, I have a 140mm on the bottom from, 140mm on the mid/front bottom, h80i exhausting out the rear and two fans up top (140mm and 120mm) pretty sure those are superfluous but im trying everything right now
My biggest issue right now is two 140mm fan holes in the side of the case letting in dust and letting out air
tl;dr would it be worth it to get cover plates
Jeremiah Harris
Bottom front rather
Hudson Lee
Go to the store and buy some programming socks and stockings and use the stockings to filter dust.
Ayden Parker
>I mean it's volts*amps=watts. And watts makes the heat and lowers efficiency. >1.4v on a 2600 isn't the same as 1.4v on a 2800. Ayo. All's I know is you'll want a beeter vrm on your mobo if your getting high-end cpu. It's what they all preach
Cooper Gray
Can I get some guidance for a poverty build? The machine I'm on right now lags on 720p content and it feels like pouring salt onto my wounds. My goal is to play games (OW, Fortnite) at least 30fps on medium settings, with a budget of $300.
I can salvage 6gb ddr3 and my hdd from my current machine, but there's little else that will be relevant or good.
It's probably best off that you try to sell what you have. I'm guessing your PSU and stuff is trash too if you can't even do 720p 30fps in Overwatch.
Isaiah Cox
>500GB SSD most costly thing >slow RAM for an already bandwidth starved iGPU This is the opposite of a poverty build. Surely he could salvage his HDD.
Christopher Morales
>slow ram Look at the voltage and the rest of the specs. IF you knew half a shit about choosing RAM, you'd already recognize that model, too.
But yes, maybe he could salvage his HDD and that drops it close to $300. But SSD are super nice. If SU650 are still on sale, that's like $80 for 500GB. But I couldn't be bothered to edit the build.
Isaac Cox
>>How to install Win7 on Ryzen >pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1 This isn't working for my Ryzen 2700x and XVII. Has anyone been able to install Windows 7 on those parts yet? I might try to buy a PS/2 keyboard/mouse later today to see if I can get past the language installation.
Dylan Hill
>pcpartpicker.com/list/3D4F8Y That shit RAM is almost surely not going to run at the advertised speed on a 2200G. It's better to get actual good 1.2v RAM and manually overclock. And APUs like dual rank. You can get highly rated RAM and get it to run, but only quality RAM, which is expensive.
Cooper Mitchell
>AMD FX series processors have each pair of cores share a FPU/cache If I disable each 2nd core in a FX processor, will i get better single-threaded performance ?
Yes. AMD had to release a hotfix to do just that. Windows should primarily use cores 0,2,4,6 and park the rest until you go past needing 4.
Aiden Hughes
Anyone?
Colton Wright
Did you use your USB2 or your USB3 ports to try and install it? USB3 doesn't work natively on W7.
Zachary Cox
I tried using my USB2 port on my VII but I still couldn't move my mouse or use the keyboard on the install screen. Same issue when I tried disabling xHCI in the BIOS. I'm starting to wonder if I have to buy a PS2 mouse/keyboard since my MOBO has an outlet for that. I'm not sure what else I can do besides trying PS2.
Thomas Cox
Have you tried injecting the USB3 drivers into the W7 image before installing it? I've never tried it myself but I know you can do that,
