If you want help: >State the budget & CURRENCY for your build >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs: >NO R3 1200/1300X or R5 1400/1500X. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY THE R3 2200G AND R5 2400G >R3 2200G - Gaming WITHOUT a graphics card >G5400 - HTPC, web browsing, or bare minimum gaming builds with a dedicated graphics card >i3 8100 - Budget gaming builds >R5 2600 / i5 8400 - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs (especially the R5 2600 for multithread perf) >R7 2700 / i7 8700K - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing
RAM: >Current CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000-3200 MHz is ideal >Before buying RAM for Ryzen, check your Mobo's QVL or look for user reports
Graphics cards: >Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up (particularly Radeon) 1080p >MSRP of standard 1080p cards: 1050Ti, 140USD; 1060 3GB, $200; 1060 6GB, $230; RX 570 4GB, $170; RX 580 4GB, $200 >GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 1440p >GTX 1070/Ti and 1080 are standard choices; currently overpriced >GTX 1080Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 2160p (4K) >GTX 1080Ti
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >A 240GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
First time PC Builder here. After some anons helped my sorry dumbass with making a PC I have came up with this decent 1k$ build pcpartpicker.com/user/WaffleBroGuy/saved/s7r4CJ If anyone has any suggestions I would be glad to hear it
uhhhhhh you need an SSD. It just makes your experience so much smoother. Lots of hitches in games and such can be waiting for assets to transfer from a disk. Either get a small fast NVMe to use with StoreMi, or replace the HDD with like a 1TB SSD.
Also your monitor doesn't appear to be Freesync? Maybe you meant to pick the VG245H idk.
Alright, I updated it, got the msi monitor and the Mushkin - Reactor 1TB 2.5 ssd. I would do more but I am already 200$ over 1k$ so I think this is as far as I am going
Jayden Taylor
Is ryzen better than coffee lake if I dont plan OCinh? And intel if I only plan gaming?
Bentley Clark
if youre only gaming then go coffee lake
Colton Edwards
covfefe lake for 144hz gaming if you have the monitor and GPU. ryzen for every other use
Jordan Morris
When are new gpus being announced? Should I buy a 1060 now or wait
Christian Murphy
SSD is seems overpriced. SX6000 is faster and probably cheaper, not sure about CDN
Purpose?
Generally speaking Intel is a little bit better for gaming, but 2600/X is great if you're a getting a 1060/580
New high end from Nvidia probably in July Whether you should wait depends on what you have now
Robert Kelly
Sweet build
Eli Lopez
gaming
Christopher Fisher
When you say high end, that means more expensive right? Are current card prices expected to go down? If not, why wait i guess
Owen Fisher
I hate overclocking because it wastes my time and heat and crashes and mobo settings getting reset and yada yada yada and i only game. 8400 is the best cpu for that and it runs pretty cool with an aftermarket cooler.
Jaxon Phillips
2700x is not cost effective for gaming. Its a workstation cpu
Luke Ortiz
Are there any good 144Hz monitors with two HDMI ports under $250? All the ones I've seen only have one.
Brayden Rivera
im rich, should i get it anyways? >inb4 i get bullied on /g :(
Eli Thomas
After months of planning I finally came up with my build:
does it have to be HDMI? my acer has a DP and HDMI port its also 1440p though so it may be different for 1080p monitors
Luis Murphy
>apu with dpgu Dumb
Jordan Rivera
what do i do about it
Xavier Hernandez
Going to use the apu for some month until I can get a cheap 1050ti
Zachary Reed
2200g is the entry level Ryzen now. You can save like... 3 dollars.. by going with the non-APU one.
Austin Ross
>gaming You don't need all that. Drop to 2600X, get a cheaper high capacity SSD. If you have all that money to burn, get a 1440p 144Hz monitor like the MSI Optix
Yeah, probably 1180 and 1170. They'll be at least as expensive as this gen's MSRP at those levels, if not more.
Nah, don't get it. Upgrade to something better later
Samuel James
The apus are gimped and half much less cache and shit
Yeah but you get cucked and cant sell any of it later. Thats why i luke nintedo because the shit holds value forever
Samuel Stewart
>$650 for a 1070Ti even for CAD that's oof. Get at least a 500GB SSD if you're spending that much, at least.
Don't listen to the SX6000 has 1/3rd the endurance and a much inferior warranty to the 850 Pro.
looks good
If the $100 doesn't matter to you, yeah just get the 2700X over 2600X.
Colton Hernandez
Yeah its a good site been around for a long time
Luke Turner
I've been researching about LGA1150 motherboards and have come to the conclusion that i want A Z97 chipset board. Cheapest i saw was 69€ GA-Z97-HD3 and cheapest ASUS i saw was 90€ ASUS Z97-K R2.0 (added shipping to the cost) links to both here because they're fucking long pastebin.com/KpFjr35S
doesnt shader cache get rid of those hitches? its pretty standard in the drivers from both AMD and nvidia nowadays.
John Sanchez
I could swear I saw 3 year warranty on it the other day. I must be thinking of something else. nvm.
But the 256GB SX6000 is only 150 TBW vs 300TBW for the 850 Pro. Also 850 Pro is 10 year warranty, not 5.
Game programming is usually really shit and the only fix is excessive hardware. :(
Henry Robinson
pcpartpicker.com/list/YyQqmq My relatively-budget build with a few compromises in budget on things I'd be unlikely to upgrade. Ryzen APUs are fucking killing it.
Xavier Harris
Why are you buying a motherboard chipset that is three generations old? Do you already have a bunch of other parts that are compatible?
You could use es.pcpartpicker.com for price comparisons. It probably won't list every possible retailer, though.
Samuel Jones
Oh nvm that was 850 Evo there. I must have confused it with another which was using the Pro. Forget what I said.
Carter Hughes
>162 for a quad core >killing it
Nathaniel Gomez
A quad core that rivals a $100 graphic cards on its own.
Aiden Wright
I want to buy an i5-4670 or something slightly better. thats why also pccpartpicker doesnt help much for LGA1150, its probably focused on newer products and mainstream retailers. meanwhiel alibaba and ebay have so much catalog for prev gen stuff.
anyway, does it even matter what Z97 motherboard i choose? i watched a video by a guy called linux saying they are mostly the same except for bios options
Jason Garcia
Prices have fallen a lot, but it's really hard to find anything below 650 nowadays (MSRP in Canada is $580)
Samuel Hall
How much could I sell used DDR3-1600 2x4GB for nowadays?
Alexander Mitchell
ill give you $5 for it
Hudson Gonzalez
I dunno, a dude on ebay said he'd give me $45 for it
Luis White
If I want a bit more performance than the 2200g, but don't want to increase my cost more than ~$50, what are my options?
Jordan Wright
>But the 256GB SX6000 is only 150 TBW vs 300TBW for the 850 Pro. Anandtech says 150TB for the 850 Pro in the link I provided here i3 8100 is somewhat better at gaming than the 2200G, in that it is better supported (e.g., PUBG) and has slightly higher framerates in most games. Also you don't have to buy fast RAM
Juan Roberts
Anyone know the best place to get windows 10 pro? Or the one that has the best deal
Nathan Ortiz
scdkey
Chase Diaz
youtube.com/watch?v=z2pe5PqWQXA uh... The i3 8100 isn't even playable in most of those games. To get equivalent performance to the 2200g/2400g, I'd have to buy another $100 GPU on top of the processor, putting the total cost to ~220. Then I'd be saving only $10-30 more against memory. CPU + GPU + 8gb memory (approximately): i3 8100: 280 2200g: 180 2400g: 240
Ayden Sanchez
>pcpartpicker.com/list/YyQqmq >A quad core that rivals a $100 graphic cards on its own. Only because GPUs are overpriced. If you can find 4GB RX560 for $100, that's more than double the graphics performance. But compared to a GTX1030.. sure. But GTX1030 should be like $50. You're fine, just I'd mostly recommend waiting to get the 2400G on sale. You can often get it for $130 or less at which point it becomes very worth the extra threads and 10-15% graphics performance increase. At $60 more it's a harder sell.
Don't buy less than 4c/8t. Only thing worth buying that's less than 4c/8t is the 2200G.
Now you're the one confusing 850 Evo for 850 Pro. Yes the 850 Evo is the same 150TBW, but the Pro is double that.
Luke Barnes
What's better, retail windows or oem? I know oem can only be used once but is it better than retail
Logan King
i dont think there is any difference
Carson Howard
$100 GPUs are only marginally overpriced, by like $20. Even if GPU prices weren't inflated, the 2400g is still in the weird spot where you can't get better without spending significantly more. The 2400g is not good value compared to the 2200g, it's true. And if you're willing to shell out even more money, you can probably get a relatively better value. But if you want something better than the 2200g without spending much more money than what you can get a 2200g for, AMD can charge what they do for the 2400g -- they've got you by the balls because there's really nothing else in the price bracket.
Anthony Gonzalez
Used to be able to get an RX460 or GTX 1050 for $55-$75 on sale. Used to be able to get an RX470 for $95-$130.
RX560 4GB full die at $95-$120 is a pretty decent price now days. RX550 or 1030 for that price is way too fucking much, they should be like $50-$60. Their MSRP was too high to begin with.
Zachary Gray
Get Crucial Ballistix Sport LT instead if it's not too much more. Can generally overclock it to at least 2800 and AMD's memory controller and APUs both love dual ranked memory. It's good for at least 7% more FPS at a given frequency and timings.
But speaking of overclocking, you might want a better board as well...
Lincoln Allen
And you can get a 2400g on sale for $130. So unless you can come up with a $60 4c/8t CPU. That's the price of a G4560. 2400g still stands alone in its price bracket.
William Lewis
Oh, didn't realize you were getting the 2200G for the iGPU. Definitely don't pay extra for the 2400G in that case. I posted some benches to bump the last thread >Only thing worth buying that's less than 4c/8t is the 2200G. Depends on your use. If gaming the i3 8100 is significantly better than the 2200G, and the G5400 has its uses as well, considering its price.
Those prices never happened. Sure maybe you could suck dick for some kind of discount, use a special credit card or something, but price - MIR was never that low.
>dual ranked Dual ranked basically doesn't matter. Dual channel does
Joseph Williams
How the fuck does prove that? There is no dual rank memory in those results.
Liam Wood
The link was about the huge benefit of dual channel. Where's your source regarding dual rank?
Aiden Rivera
>I don't have an actual source but just trust me okay!!!! It's also just been common knowledge on forums since APUs first came out and were memory hungry.
Whats the difference between a 70€ Z97 chipset board and a 140€ chipset board? does it even matter?
Samuel Kelly
Those are Bulldozer, not Zen like the 2200G. Completely difference arch.
Jordan Wood
And people have tested it on Ryzen and seen that Ryzen also prefers dual rank. But since tech youtubers are retarded, none of the big ones have actually tested the new Ryzen APUs yet. But I would bet a few bitcoins that 3000 CL15 DR x2 would outperform 3000 CL15 SR x2. youtube.com/watch?v=JtVRs_Q1ngQ youtube.com/watch?v=YovhUyh-aIg ( holy fuck this shit is loud )
Check the features list between the two of them. Why's that so hard for people?
Alright, so about 3% difference at best, provided that's even a Ryzen benchmark. Who fucking cares? That's not at all what I would call "loves" and is more like "basically doesn't matter" . The extra cost of the dual ranked RAM is likely to exceed that 3% making it a poor value
Pretty sure we had this exact discussion months ago. Dual channel matters bigtime, dual ranked doesn't.
And you can could get an RX570, an actual good ROG Strix model, for under $200 for a few days up until like 2 days ago.
If you don't have to impulsively buy parts IMMEDIATELY, there are definitely deals going around and you can save hundreds.
Uhh you can dual channel dual ranked. It's not one or the other. Stop being retarded. Crucial Ballistix Sport LT is not super expensive RAM. It's a free performance increase. In some games the difference is around 10%. It's a bigger difference than 133mhz or 166mhz of memory speed.
Stop posting, then.
Why not a 1600watt PSU and 4k HDR 120hz monitor? Where's the Optane and 4TB SSD?
Joseph Murphy
>1200W PSU Literally disgusting. Do you even know how PSU efficiency works?
Chase Hall
if i pay for the expert installation option off amazon, what are the chances ill get a qt korean girl without a dick
Evan Russell
>In some games the difference is around 10% You haven't proved it.
>Stop posting, then. I do have good data, retard. When I say dual channel matters bigtime, it does. When you say Ryzen "loves" dual rank, it doesn't, and you post crap that isn't even Ryzen If dual rank can be had for the same cost as single rank, great. If not, it's not a good value judging from the poor benchmarks you've posted.
>trying to blow my financial load on a computer that I won't have to upgrade for the next 5 years >have found everything except for the CPU/mobo >looking at either the 8700k or the 2700x >can't decide whether I'm an FPS whore or a multitasking whore >every time I try to come to a decision, I end up more unsure I need assistance.
In the videos you dumb fucktard. You haven't disproven it either.
Hunter Carter
Just buy 2 different computers
Colton Baker
How do I keep my PC cool if it regularly hits 90C under load if I don't underclock it/limit the temp to 70C? Just for a game like Hearts of Iron IV or Sims 4, my GPU temp reaches 80C+ (but never above 90).
I've got two case fans, in addition to a CPU fan. I literally don't have any fan headers left on my mobo.
What should I do to keep my PC cool while also retaining peak performance? I'm on an RX580+Ryzen 1400 combo
